Hey guys I have been doing quite a bit of searching through the forums and still have a couple questions about custom roms and rooting. Forgive the noobness but the droid incredible is my first android device and I only recently got it.
1. My first question is what is the simplest way (rom + root I assume) to get a stock version of android on my incredible? Also what rom would you recommend (I have seen a pretty big list but know nothing about them)?
2. What is the difference, if any, between a kernel and a rom? Ive seen both words used a lot and have seen kernels that are stock and roms that are as well. Which would I use between the two?
I know these questions may be dumb but I have been searching for a couple days and have gone through hundreds of threads trying to find the definitive answer (there were some benefits though, I use launcher pro and the droid x's keyboard now) any help would be appreciated.
1. You are right in assuming that the quickest (and only) way to get a stock version of Android on your phone is to root your phone and install a custom recovery that will allow you to flash a rom. It is not really possible for me to recommend a rom because rom's are all about personal preference and my preference may be different from yours. That being said, if you are interested in stock Android, check out Cyanogenmod. The biggest thing right now is that for the Incredible, Cyanogenmod is the only true stock Android that is compiled from AOSP (Android Open Source Project) however it is still in its early stages for our device, so it's still buggy. The other roms are modified versions of our stock sense rom, so some of the roms are modified to have the bulkier parts of of the Sense UI removed, but it is still a Sense rom.
2. I'm not going to profess to be extremely in the know about kernels, but a kernel is the go-between for the hardware and the os/applications. If you want to learn more about kernels, you can read the wikipedia page about kernels found here. Basically what you need to know is that the rom is the operating system, so if you wanted to change the OS such as from Sense to Vanilla Android, you would flash a rom. If you wanted to change the way the system runs, such as if you want your processor to be overclocked or undervolted, you would flash a kernel.
Hope this helps.
That answered everything! Thanks for the reply and I will keep checking the forums for stock roms that seem stable!
Hey everyone,
I'm still fairly new to Android. I had an iPhone previously, which I jailbroke and was quite comfortable with doing that. Now Android has a whole new slew of options that I'm not quite sure I understand and/or am comfortable with.
My Evo is rooted with the most up-to-date OTA, so I've got that down and I'm comfortable with how all of that works. I've installed ClockworkMod and wanted to start flashing some custom ROMs and kernels... but I don't know how they work together.
So, on to the questions:
## Can you flash any kernel with any custom ROM?
## Does the order you flash them in matter?
## I have a recovery ROM in case anything goes wrong... but how do you recover the kernel if things go wrong?
Really just looking for some quick and dirty info on these topics.
Thanks!
Hi, I will like the same info as you. I flashed kings kernel #11 on my EVO and I noticed that my videos don't play as smooth as they did with the original HTC Kernel. So I too will like to know how to recover my original Kernel. I hope someone could help us. If I found anything, I'll let you know.
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Hi, I will like the same info as you. I flashed kings kernel #11 on my EVO and I noticed that my videos don't play as smooth as they did with the original HTC Kernel. So I too will like to know how to recover my original Kernel. I hope someone could help us. If I found anything, I'll let you know.
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Flash rom first, kernel second. Threads should specify if its for AOSP roms or Sense. What rom are you on? There are lots of kernel threads in the dev forums pick one you like and go! HTC kernels are there too if you search.
Hi Folks,
sneaking around all the Forums and Threads about HTC-Desire I came to the conclusion that I urgently need a new ROM on my smartphone. OK, to be honest, it is more-or-less because off this permanent message that my memory is running low.
So I started to gain knowledge about 'root', 'S-Off', 'HBoot', 'Recovery' and all that stuff. It took a while by I managed to 'root' my Desire without any issue.
Bye the way I learned a complete new language and had to jump between several threads to understand all these abbreviations.
Now I struggle with myself as I am not able to decide on which ROM to choose. My favorites are MIUI and Oxygen. But, what confuses me most are the different versions of each ROM. Yes, I read all the threads of most every single ROM but that made the decision not easier.
Is there someone around who can provide some experience with MIUI and/or Oxygen ROMs.
What I really looking for is a nice looking, state-of-the-art, stable and fast ROM as I am not of that kind to flash updates every day.
Did I ever mentioned that my grandchild is laughing at me, so please help me proof that even someone not familiar with all that new stuff will be able to flash a new ROM.
Cheers !!
My suggestion for MIUI is this one:
http://miuiandroid.com/community/threads/archived-miui-versions-desire-gb.16551/
It's stock version from MIUI England, without many modifications. You can also check out on MIUI Germany site.
In my signature you have something I made that's based on CM7 with just a few mods.
I'm using the MIUI ROM too, the response I get is way faster than the stock HTC rom. Although it's a shame that development stopped at GB (I really want the scrollable widget in ICS), but some of the guys here are working on ICS/JB ports, might jump onto one of those when they mature.
Hey guys im trying to deodexed my stock rom and maybe make roms but im stock on deodexed. Im getting all kinds of errors with ultimaxe. Is that how you do it? Im looking for a guide on doing this for samsung devices like this one and on ics but cant seem to have luck. All i see is ultimaxe but like i said im having problems. Or is it possible that you can make me a stock rom with deodexed?
So nobody knows!!!!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=18625670
You want something like this?
Yeah that it thank you buddy. Although im trying to put my knowlage more further by learning how to develop roms but the first step is deodexed and I was stuck. This ^^ would make a good start
So nobody is interesting on having a stock deodexed rom? I've been trying to do mine and I'm having problems with XUltimate although the test pass so I have everything I need but It get error on option 3!
I can't speak for everyone but I'm past stock anything and if you look hard enough its probably been done a few times. I'm sure if you go hang out on the IRC channels you will find lots of ppl doing it or willing to help. I can say this, after some things that have happened here over the past few weeks you are going to have a hard time getting ppl to flash your first ROM build. I would find someone to team up with, a known dev, and work with them. After a pro can vouch for you life will get a lot easier for you. I could be wrong and won't go in to details about the past issues. But I would go that route.
I am no dev and have no interest in building a ROM but if I did that's what I would do.
Good luck, hope you do very well and maybe one day I will be flashing your builds.
Thank you for your answer. Yeah I am very aware of JalStudio BS. It just that I would like a good stock rom with tweaks and themed. Heck not even Gnow works because its not deodexed. I've been an android user since the vibrant and have a lot of knowledge on android. I till now learning all of this stuff about making roms and stuff. It seems easy but when you get an error and you know you have everything that you need you just lost like me. XUltimate goes good but when its time to deodexed it gives me an error on every .odex file. Something about bootclass whatever. I gonna do what you said contact a few devs and use IRC. P. S I cant wait till xda-university comes out. That should give a lot of information. It might be a long time my friend when you see roms ported by me. Because first I want to use it as a personal use and then maybe release it.
Hi guys, I am a BASIC android user with BASIC phone needs. Unfortunately I own a HTC Desire Z with Android 2.3.3 (Gingerbread) and the very crapy HTC Sense 2.1 thats keeps on slowing down the phone and mostly rendering it beyond the point of regular usage.
I want the cleanest possible, fully functioning Android version available, like on Nexus phones. Just a plain, simple, clean and basic Android version. No need for overclocking, Sense crap, MIUI interfaces or other spectaculair may-work-may-not-work-brick-my-phone stuff, just a simple working smartphone, you can call with, send text messages with, Viber, Skype or Whatsapp with. You know, kinda like old people do with the phone
So 2 questions:
1. Which version would you guys recommend as being the cleanest one available on the forum?
2. How on earth do I get there? I have basic/bit advanced knowledge about rooting phones, Kernels, radio versions, etc, but this HTC phone is beyond me. Should I first root it, then CID Unlock/ s-Off it, do I first have to downgrade it to Froyo, etc etc etc. I know the easiest answer is RTFM, or use the search function on this forum first, but with my basic knowledge I cant seem to figure it out with the tons and tons of information thats out there on the forum.
So please, a few pointers, short first-this-then-that guidelines, and I'm sure I will get there.
Have a great weekend, DaMO
First of all, you're in the wrong section.
Second : The best rom without any trouble is this one : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1242480
If you want more feature : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1714187
Both are very stable. Very fast. No problem at all.
But I have to say, these time, most of recent roms are pretty reliable.
Many thanks, overdose. As you are a mod, just move it to the right section.
And like I said, kind of a noob. So the post at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1242480 is kind of a question mark for me. As far as I understand, this release is based on a CM7 Rom, with added features? And do I only need the ILWT CM7 Kernel, or also the ILWT Deamon? What is a Deamon???!?? and why would I need it? Found a downgrade/upgrade guide from Strawmetal, hopefully it won't brick my phone and I will be able to upgrade to a normal workeable ROM.
Again, many many thanks, and tonight I will either have a useless paper weight, or a normally functioning phone
DM
damo666 said:
Many thanks, overdose. As you are a mod, just move it to the right section.
And like I said, kind of a noob. So the post at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1242480 is kind of a question mark for me. As far as I understand, this release is based on a CM7 Rom, with added features? And do I only need the ILWT CM7 Kernel, or also the ILWT Deamon? What is a Deamon???!?? and why would I need it? Found a downgrade/upgrade guide from Strawmetal, hopefully it won't brick my phone and I will be able to upgrade to a normal workeable ROM.
Again, many many thanks, and tonight I will either have a useless paper weight, or a normally functioning phone
DM
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The deamon allow you to control overclocking, voltage, I/O, governors.
Witch you dont need, if you dont want to play with it.
i.e mimicry's already set to 1000 mhz cpu. You dont need to touch anything if you're satisfied with this cpu speed.
It's hard to find a complete guide for newbes. Back in years, I remember that I had to look at multiple thread to be sure how to root/backup/flash and make sure not to brick.
The major difference between the two (I was using Mimicry myself for the longest time, but I'm currently testing the Flinny Jellybean build) is one is Gingerbread (CM7) and the other is Ice cream sandwich. So if you're find with android OS 2.3, you will for the most part have the most compatibility with the phone's hardware (since all the drivers are avail), and will run better on the phone. But Mimicry will give you the features of ICS (4.0.x), but may lack in some areas like camera capabilities with 3rd party apps such as instagram (which is fixed in the jellybean rom I'm currently using).
But as a "basic" user, I think sticking with gingerbread will do you just fine.
I personally found this guide most useful and very easy to follow. The only problem might be that it needs adb and the respective drivers, but installing it should not be too difficult.
My favourite ROM, when it comes to speed and stability, is the "cm-7.2.0-vision.zip" found here. It might have some extras, but compared to everything else I tried (and I tried a lot), it worked like a charm.
Hello guys, many many thanks for all your advice. After about a day of work, I have a fully functioning Desire Z, with cyanogen 7.2.0 release. I had some difficulties getting there ( a faulty PC10IMG file, a bootloop after finally flasing the CM zip that seemed endless, a bootloader that gave up on me, etc), but learned a lot along the way. My conclusion: as enthusiastic and capable all the people at XDA are, nothing beats the official manufacterers release of the software. Sure, here and there also original roms have glitches and FC's, but basically everything works the way it should work, all the drivers are present and mostly updated. So my motto is: if it aint broken, dont mess with it
damo666 said:
Hello guys, many many thanks for all your advice. After about a day of work, I have a fully functioning Desire Z, with cyanogen 7.2.0 release. I had some difficulties getting there ( a faulty PC10IMG file, a bootloop after finally flasing the CM zip that seemed endless, a bootloader that gave up on me, etc), but learned a lot along the way. My conclusion: as enthusiastic and capable all the people at XDA are, nothing beats the official manufacterers release of the software. Sure, here and there also original roms have glitches and FC's, but basically everything works the way it should work, all the drivers are present and mostly updated. So my motto is: if it aint broken, dont mess with it
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I hear ya!
Which guild did you end up using? I found the one here too convoluted to take a chance on bricking my phone. Like it says to download ClockworkMod Recovery 5.0 and 5.8...well which is it? The cyanogenmod wiki instructions are easier to follow but it looks like they stopped developing at gingerbread which I already have. What I did was get the unlock code from HTC and then used busybox to install su for root access.
If CyanogenMod ever comes out with a more current version, I may give it a try but I am guessing they are only going to develop for the latest phones.
fletchb said:
I hear ya!
Which guild did you end up using? I found the one here too convoluted to take a chance on bricking my phone. Like it says to download ClockworkMod Recovery 5.0 and 5.8...well which is it? The cyanogenmod wiki instructions are easier to follow but it looks like they stopped developing at gingerbread which I already have. What I did was get the unlock code from HTC and then used busybox to install su for root access.
If CyanogenMod ever comes out with a more current version, I may give it a try but I am guessing they are only going to develop for the latest phones.
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I used a mix of guides, basically the procedure was: downgrade to Froyo, unlocked and temporarly rooted (S-Off), got it permanent rooted, and then installed CM 7.2.0
Thats all