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So I bought a Galaxy Nexus earlier today...

...and I might return it. I really am not terribly impressed with it. ICS is cool and all but I would much rather have a bone stock ICS ROM running on my Epic Touch. My biggest complaint about it, besides how narrow the screen is, is that games just don't run nearly as smooth on it as they do on the E4GT. I know it has a weaker GPU, but I didn't realize it wasn't powerful enough to run Riptide GP without dropping frames all the time. Pretty disappointing, TBQH. Verizon has an extended buyers remorse period because of the holidays. I am going to hang on to it till Jan 14th and give it a serious chance but so far it's not looking good.
edit: Oh yeah, I HATE how the home/back/tasks soft keys persist even when playing games. That's the main reason why I returned my Galaxy Tab 7.0 plus, and I can't tell you how disappointed I am that they are still there in ICS.

Such a shame that the Galaxy Nexus is such a let down. My friend has one so I played around with his for an hour or so. There was some choppiness during transitions here and there. Only reason I'd pick it over an Epic Touch is because it's a Nexus device. But since it's not available for Sprint it's not a phone I'd buy.

It has the gpu of the galaxy s1, that may explain why it doesn't hum like our phone. The ti processor is very good, perhaps >= exynos but the gpu kills it.
Only thing I love is the screen (except that the on screen buttons can't be toggled) and ICS, seems like the colors are more real. In every other aspect, I have to go with the S2 (minus the tmo and skyrocket variants)
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I just got my gf a nexus s for cheap and I am using her phone more than mine it run ics well right now. Our phone with a a sop ics from will be freak in amazing.
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bbedward said:
It has the gpu of the galaxy s1, that may explain why it doesn't hum like our phone. The ti processor is very good, perhaps >= exynos but the gpu kills it.
Only thing I love is the screen (except that the on screen buttons can't be toggled) and ICS, seems like the colors are more real. In every other aspect, I have to go with the S2 (minus the tmo and skyrocket variants)
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It's the gpu of the original galaxy s, clocked almost twice as fast. But it's still not as fast as the mali in the s2.
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abhaxus said:
It's the gpu of the original galaxy s, clocked almost twice as fast. But it's still not as fast as the mali in the s2.
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Higher clock speed can only improve speed so much. Look at the Pentium 4 lol.
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I played around with my coworker's GNex and I think its nice and all, but......
I can't stand the lack of search button and the lack of a menu button. I felt like I was using a Pre or iPhone, I couldn't find out where the flippin' options were easily (I know that most have a little menu button in the top corner, but that's not apparent to me). Try to get to settings quickly? you can't without finding that app for settings. I also found it pretty laggy compared to my E4GT.
I do like the core app GUI changes, however. Very nice. The phone itself though....meh.

mmark27 said:
I played around with my coworker's GNex and I think its nice and all, but......
I can't stand the lack of search button and the lack of a menu button. I felt like I was using a Pre or iPhone, I couldn't find out where the flippin' options were easily (I know that most have a little menu button in the top corner, but that's not apparent to me). Try to get to settings quickly? you can't without finding that app for settings. I also found it pretty laggy compared to my E4GT.
I do like the core app GUI changes, however. Very nice. The phone itself though....meh.
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Just can't understand why Samsung is putting diffrent specs in the same model line phone on different carriers. Why does the T-Mobile version of the s2 have a different processor? That's ****ing retarded.
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paniro187 said:
Just can't understand why Samsung is putting diffrent specs in the same model line phone on different carriers. Why does the T-Mobile version of the s2 have a different processor? That's ****ing retarded.
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It has to do with wireless capabilities (or lack thereof) of the chip sets...same for the GNx.
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daneurysm said:
It has to do with wireless capabilities (or lack thereof) of the chip sets...same for the GNx.
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I'm speaking of the galaxy s2 models why nit just have the same specs on all carriers. Why does on carrier get one with one dual processor and the next gets a different brand. Why not stay uniform. And honestly imho the galaxy s line should be THE Google phone
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paniro187 said:
I'm speaking of the galaxy s2 models why nit just have the same specs on all carriers. Why does on carrier get one with one dual processor and the next gets a different brand. Why not stay uniform. And honestly imho the galaxy s line should be THE Google phone
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Compatability. For example, T-Mobile's 42 Mbit/s HSPA+ network is not compatible with exynos which is why they have a different processor.
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bbedward said:
It has the gpu of the galaxy s1, that may explain why it doesn't hum like our phone. The ti processor is very good, perhaps >= exynos but the gpu kills it.
Only thing I love is the screen (except that the on screen buttons can't be toggled) and ICS, seems like the colors are more real. In every other aspect, I have to go with the S2 (minus the tmo and skyrocket variants)
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The downside if exynos is Android does not natively support it. So every time Google releases an os, Samsung has to port it which is no small task.
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eao1991 said:
Compatability. For example, T-Mobile's 42 Mbit/s HSPA+ network is not compatible with exynos which is why they have a different processor.
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Why not not make a chip that is compatible for both
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paniro187 said:
Why not not make a chip that is compatible for both
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Probably for the same reasons car manufacturers don't make cars that run on gas and diesel

bobturismo said:
Probably for the same reasons car manufacturers don't make cars that run on gas and diesel
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I'm only asking cause it just seems like its not cost efficient. Plus if they all run the same hardware the you can have a one patch fix all type stuff
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That is a good question. They should beable to use same Chipset in each version of the GSII.
Look at the iPhone 4/4S. It has the same exact chipset / cpu on Verizon / ATT / Sprint "I Think"

hypersonicx said:
That is a good question. They should beable to use same Chipset in each version of the GSII.
Look at the iPhone 4/4S. It has the same exact chipset / cpu on Verizon / ATT / Sprint "I Think"
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Exactly. While I am not a apple fan I love the uniform manner in their devices.
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paniro187 said:
Exactly. While I am not a apple fan I love the uniform manner in their devices.
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You guys do realize the iphone does not utilize 4G so the processor can be the same across the board. However, android phones do use 4G and not all networks are created equal (ex: HSPA+ FOR T-mo). Hence, the different specs.
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eao1991 said:
You guys do realize the iphone does not utilize 4G so the processor can be the same across the board. However, android phones do use 4G and not all networks are created equal (ex: HSPA+ FOR T-mo). Hence, the different specs.
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They can make a chip that can utilize both. Its called research and development. Cost more at first but then its less to manufacturer one chip.
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hypersonicx said:
That is a good question. They should beable to use same Chipset in each version of the GSII.
Look at the iPhone 4/4S. It has the same exact chipset / cpu on Verizon / ATT / Sprint "I Think"
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The 4 is an A2 CPU and idk what gpu its running. The 4s is running an A3, is dual core, and beefier gpu. The iPad 1 and iPhone 4 use the same CPU, that's why there are jailbreaks available for them. IPad 2 and iPhone 4s share the same CPU. Its speculated its clocked higher on the pad. There also isn't a jailbreak for the A3 powered devices. There's no difference in hardware between the carriers of the same model phone. All 4 are the same and all 4S are the same.
I had a 4S for a couple of months on sprint before coming back to Android. I did some homework before and during owning the phone too.
I understand aosp is different than touchwiz. One alternative I could suggest is to get the et4g. Root, recovery and no ciq it after updating to ek02. After that, run sprint id and choose the clean pack. That is a bare bones setup, stockish launcher, and no touchwiz. Then go into the system/app directory and do something like add ".old" to the end of the apk of the bloatware and touchwiz crap. Now you have a pseudo asop looking ROM with the bloat rem'd out.

What's your thoughts

Anyone upgrade to this from a gnex?
Is this like owning an s4 equipped galaxy nexus?
I can't decide between this and evo4glte (will probably go with the lg s4pro phone instead idk...), what's the difference hardware wise between this and the gnex? The evo4gllte seems like a huge upgrade for me but I like the galaxy s series..
Edit: Let me verify if the only real difference between this and the gnex is the chipset and cameras, I might upgrade to that instead since it'll be like owning the s3 in my own little world but half priced
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there are a million thread about this bro. just do a search on here or google

s4 is a big step up and touchwiz has nice features that gnex won't have. The camera is way better on this phone . I thought duel core was duel core not i was wrong this phone flys stock.
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What's a good upgrade from this phone?

I am debating whether to buy the Nexus 4 or the Note II. Yes I admire the huge screen, and really doesn't bother me. But at the same time, the Nexus has some features that the Note II can't simply offer. Things as important as updates straight from Google, from stupid little things like the notification lights. Which one should I decide?

Well, if you get the Nexus 4, it's almost the same price outright as the Note 2 is on contract. I recently switched to Straight Talk Wireless prepaid and am using the same T-Mobile network for only $45/month. So I think the deciding factor between the two phones is whether you want to stay on a contract for another two years, or explore other options.
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Personally would wait... most of the phones have stagnated in improvements...

thantos said:
Personally would wait... most of the phones have stagnated in improvements...
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Stagnated in improvements?? Both the Nexus 4 and Note 2 are amazing upgrades compared to this phone.
-Better, bigger 720p screens
-GPUs with more than twice the power of the adreno 220 (NFS Most Wanted plays SO smooth on the Note 2.)
-quad core CPUs that put this snapdragon s3 boat to shame with antutu scores of 12,000+
-2gb of ram
-MUCH better cameras
-The Note 2 has insane battery life
-and to top if off both ship with official Jelly Bean?
Stagnant? I don't even..
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RushAOZ said:
Stagnated in improvements?? Both the Nexus 4 and Note 2 are amazing upgrades compared to this phone.
-Better, bigger 720p screens
-GPUs with more than twice the power of the adreno 220 (NFS Most Wanted plays SO smooth on the Note 2.)
-quad core CPUs that put this snapdragon s3 boat to shame with antutu scores of 12,000+
-2gb of ram
-MUCH better cameras
-The Note 2 has insane battery life
-and to top if off both ship with official Jelly Bean?
Stagnant? I don't even..
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I would take the note 2 over the nexus 4 any day it looks so awesome
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rymanh said:
I would take the note 2 over the nexus 4 any day it looks so awesome
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+1... I went from a 3.5" screen to this phone (SG II). At first I was like, wow the screen is way too big...Now I want a bigger screen Plus the note seems to have quite a few cool options. Just my $.02

smokinjoe2122 said:
+1... I went from a 3.5" screen to this phone (SG II). At first I was like, wow the screen is way too big...Now I want a bigger screen Plus the note seems to have quite a few cool options. Just my $.02
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The screen size is something you would get used to easily .. it can do everything that the nexus 4 does and more .. if you got the cash to spend on it ..it ls by far the better phone
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rymanh said:
The screen size is something you would get used to easily .. it can do everything that the nexus 4 does and more .. if you got the cash to spend on it ..it ls by far the better phone
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Yea I'd spring for a Note 2 over the Nexus 4. I play with it everyday at work. We have a display with the Note 2 attached to the Moga controller. Man... ultimate emulator experience! I loaded up SNESoid with Super Mario World on it and people can't stop playing with it lol. Sold a few Note 2s off that little stunt
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RushAOZ said:
Yea I'd spring for a Note 2 over the Nexus 4. I play with it everyday at work. We have a display with the Note 2 attached to the Moga controller. Man... ultimate emulator experience! I loaded up SNESoid with Super Mario World on it and people can't stop playing with it lol. Sold a few Note 2s off that little stunt
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I think its the phone of the year ..Samsung made. Huge production over the galaxy S3 but the Galaxy Note 2 kills it
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rymanh said:
I think its the phone of the year ..Samsung made. Huge production over the galaxy S3 but the Galaxy Note 2 kills it
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Dude the battery life alone is to kill for. I'm gonna run a little test at work. Fully charge it and then unplug it. See how long it lasts.
Wish I could toss a huge battery in this phone without making it look like a 90s brick cell phone.
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RushAOZ said:
Stagnated in improvements?? Both the Nexus 4 and Note 2 are amazing upgrades compared to this phone.
-Better, bigger 720p screens
-GPUs with more than twice the power of the adreno 220 (NFS Most Wanted plays SO smooth on the Note 2.)
-quad core CPUs that put this snapdragon s3 boat to shame with antutu scores of 12,000+
-2gb of ram
-MUCH better cameras
-The Note 2 has insane battery life
-and to top if off both ship with official Jelly Bean?
Stagnant? I don't even..
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NFS most wanted plays very smoothly in my phone and the nexus' camera doesn't seem to be any better than my phone's.
That said, I'm still gonna get the nexus 4 because it's overall the best phone you can get for that price.
I don't think the note 2 and the nexus 4 are really competing with each other. they're aimed at two different types of people. For me, the note's just too big and too expensive, lol. But the screen is gorgeous so if you're comfortable with the huge screen then it's perfect.
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joshuoner said:
NFS most wanted plays very smoothly in my phone and the nexus' camera doesn't seem to be any better than my phone's.
That said, I'm still gonna get the nexus 4 because it's overall the best phone you can get for that price.
I don't think the note 2 and the nexus 4 are really competing with each other. they're aimed at two different types of people. For me, the note's just too big and too expensive, lol. But the screen is gorgeous so if you're comfortable with the huge screen then it's perfect.
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Don't lie. NFS most wanted does NOT play smoothly on this phone. Either that or you'e completely oblivious to framerates. It runs smoother on JB ROMs than ICS ROMs.. but even then I notice frame rates float between the low 20s to low 30s and it fluctuates ALOT. I've tried this game on around 10 ROMs or so. Even with cpu overclocks and overclocked GPU speeds.
The Note 2 stays above 40 fps at all times and doesn't drop one bit. As seen in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyg8vTbGRX8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
And this is a video of the game playing on an exynos powered GSII, and mind you the Mali 400 GPU stomps the adreno 220 found in this phone..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nxTYuL0UsM&feature=youtube_gdata_player
So yea. No.
Feel free to upload a video of gameplay to prove me wrong. Till then, I call bullsh*t.
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Best processor ever

I have to say I am very imppressed by this phones processor out of every phone I had exynos is the best.I had the lg optimus g and couldnt deal with the random force closes and laginess. Best processor ever leave your comments on thid beast ass processor
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Hmm. I have the Optimus g too but I feel that it is a lot more faster than the note 2 I also have. Funny how everyone's experience is different
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Maknora said:
Hmm. I have the Optimus g too but I feel that it is a lot more faster than the note 2 I also have. Funny how everyone's experience is different
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Your spell checker seems to be better as well

funnycreature said:
Your spell checker seems to be better as well
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more better

Haha thanks. I really just like the Optimus g.
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This phone has been silky smooth and gobbled up everything I've thrown at it. I was shocked at how much faster it is than my Nexus 7, and certainly faster than my Skyrocket.
The only thing that drives me nuts about the processor is the wake lag every time I turn it on from deep sleep. I'll learn to live with it, but this phone would be almost perfect if that were fixed (not including software tweaks).

Jrockttu said:
This phone has been silky smooth and gobbled up everything I've thrown at it. I was shocked at how much faster it is than my Nexus 7, and certainly faster than my Skyrocket.
The only thing that drives me nuts about the processor is the wake lag every time I turn it on from deep sleep. I'll learn to live with it, but this phone would be almost perfect if that were fixed (not including software tweaks).
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Yea well reducing the processor to that low of a clock speed is partly responsible for the crazy ass battery life of this phone. I'd rather have another millisecond of unlock time and gain several hours of battery life. Fine with me.
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i dunno about that... the Snapdragon S4 Pro is quite a beast... it's technically faster than this exynos...
i bet it comes down to software and how well it works with the hardware

ShadowVlican said:
i dunno about that... the Snapdragon S4 Pro is quite a beast... it's technically faster than this exynos...
i bet it comes down to software and how well it works with the hardware
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Look at the Engadget review of the Nexus 4. The note 2 (exynos) beat the snapdragon s4 pro in 4/6 benchmarks and they felt like the exy was better in normal use and battery efficiency. Just look up Nexus 4 review on engadget- Nexus 4,Optimus G, note 2 are all compared. Look at the benchmark table. Note 2 wins 4/6.
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I love the power and speed of my note.... But seriously, benchmarks mean nothing to me. It's real life usage that matters. . Not an app that measures potential.
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I've never seen any huge advantage of the Exynos processors over any others, mainly because they are just stock ARM designs. If Samsung wanted to impress me, they would pay for an architecture license. The A6 is pretty hard to beat, given the performance AND battery life, and I really like my S4 Pro, although it is a bit of a juice hog.

The exynos is a heavily modified arm design, and apples a6 is very very similar to it.
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ShadowVlican said:
i dunno about that... the Snapdragon S4 Pro is quite a beast... it's technically faster than this exynos...
i bet it comes down to software and how well it works with the hardware
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That's why you see iphones perform very well despite the specs looking like they are lacking. The iphone 5 after playing with it is just as fast as my Note 2 but it's only dual core and clocked much lower. RAM is also lower.

Pretty sure the reason the a6 is as smooth or smother with lower specs is due to software optimization and the fact it uses 3 core gpu ( which everyone seems to leave out when they make these statements). That is where apple has done good.
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Jrockttu said:
...The only thing that drives me nuts about the processor is the wake lag every time I turn it on from deep sleep. I'll learn to live with it, but this phone would be almost perfect if that were fixed (not including software tweaks).
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How long of a lag are you talking about? Are you sure it's not the home button lag from S Voice being enabled?

Mad383Max said:
Pretty sure the reason the a6 is as smooth or smother with lower specs is due to software optimization and the fact it uses 3 core gpu ( which everyone seems to leave out when they make these statements). That is where apple has done good.
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One area Apple has excelled in is GPU performance. I'm surprised Samsung doesn't push the limits in this area harder. I don't play games much myself but as you said it goes beyond just playing your favorite games on a phone.

Nexus 4 <3
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exynos is king right now (i'm ignoring apple, since it's not apples-to-apples, excuse the pun). exynos 5 is going to be ridiculous. actually it already is, inside the samsung chromebook.

Normally id say cant wait for the note 3 with the quad xenyos 5, but im happy with the note 2, and I hope they wait a year before releasing it. No more 6 month life cycles please
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jackxlj said:
The exynos is a heavily modified arm design, and apples a6 is very very similar to it.
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No, not even close. A6/A6X are heavily modified ARM, and Exynos is just tweaked stock. Samsung doesn't have the architecture license, last I checked. Apple does.
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Underwhelmed Galaxy S4

Anyone else underwhelmed with Galaxy S4 news? Hopefully some of the UI tweaks make their way to the Note II but otherwise Note II better than the S4. Matter of fact the S4 looks like a mini version of the Note II.
Phone Arena S4 Hands-On
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Not really. Although it may look the same it has about the same or best features as the one. This phone is great and for those that have a note 2 it may not be that much of an update but for s3 owners it's a decent upgrade. But with lots of the software updates from s4 coming to s3 this phone is more of a phone for those trying Sammy for the first time. In the end this phone is a sure competition to the htc one.
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I hope we get the samsung hub that would be great everything else will come in time with custom roms. Well all but the motion stuff and air view probably. I agree Ill stick with my note2 unless it has the octa5 but we all know it wont
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yankees45us said:
Not really. Although it may look the same it has about the same or best features as the one. This phone is great and for those that have a note 2 it may not be that much of an update but for s3 owners it's a decent upgrade. But with lots of the software updates from s4 coming to s3 this phone is more of a phone for those trying Sammy for the first time. In the end this phone is a sure competition to the htc one.
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I personally don't see the upgrade for S3 owners but definitely see it for S2 owners. I was hoping for more wow factor since the S series and Note series are typically pretty close to each other save a few small differences.
If this is what Samsung will put out in 2013, I'm waiting until the Note 4.
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I have the S2 but I don't know.. I don't really see the need to have all those features. Plus the US variant not having OCTA is a deal breaker for me. The Exynos Chip is amazing.

emeraldayotte said:
I personally don't see the upgrade for S3 owners but definitely see it for S2 owners. I was hoping for more wow factor since the S series and Note series are typically pretty close to each other save a few small differences.
If this is what Samsung will put out in 2013, I'm waiting until the Note 4.
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This. S3 users will be pretty silly to get this upgrade unless money is no object for them. I do like a few this though. The white version for example is not just white it looks like it has a textured face. And the Window for the flip cover. The biggest update would be the AC wifi. I wish the Note 2 had that.
Also anyone catch that it has an IR LED? That's sweet if it does.
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Im curious to see if the s4 can be rooted easily because of the new Samsung knox software. It seems like its gonna be hard to flash roms and such cause the features of knox is to shut the phone down if unauthorized software is found. Also the kernel has secure boot on it. Any thoughts on this guys?
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Ind3lible said:
I have the S2 but I don't know.. I don't really see the need to have all those features. Plus the US variant not having OCTA is a deal breaker for me. The Exynos Chip is amazing.
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A deal breaker? Please explain why you need an 8 core chip and what it will do that the quad cores won't?
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Quis89 said:
A deal breaker? Please explain why you need an 8 core chip and what it will do that the quad cores won't?
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Yeah I agree. Tje snapdragon 600 is one hell if a chip. It is benchmarking better than the exynos 5 octa
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I'm really disappointed that they didn't focus on improving design and build quality. I love my Note 2 but will definitely hold out if the Note 3 is just a spec'd up update. It's awesome that the battery is removable and a SD card can be used, but I really believe they could used more premium parts in place of the chrome strip and plastic cover. If struggling HTC is capable of creating a gorgeously designed phone, then Samsung -with all it's resources and money - can definitely design a well-crafted, premium device.
But I am looking forward to the Note 3 and the new features the device will include. I just hope the device doesn't get any bigger (if it does, i hope it's not significantly noticeable) and includes more premium parts. Can you imagine the Note with an aluminum, removable battery cover and a premium chrome belt?

The plastic adds less weight and makes the screen less prone to breaking. I have dropped my phone numerous of times and never had to replace my screen. More weigh equals more weight which equals more mass and force when you drop your phone.
I believe Samsung's goal is to make their phone light and durable. If I had a choice of either protecting my screen or my phone cover I rather had a phone with some nicks than a cracked screen.
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13 MP back facing camera, internal storage space of up to 64GB, 1.9 GHz Snapdragon cpu. It's a little better than ours LOL
The Smart Scroll feature is pretty cool. I also like that it can tell if you are watching a video and if you look away from the screen it will auto pause. It comes with 4.2.2 so hopefully it can be easily ported to our Note II

emeraldayotte said:
I personally don't see the upgrade for S3 owners but definitely see it for S2 owners. I was hoping for more wow factor since the S series and Note series are typically pretty close to each other save a few small differences.
If this is what Samsung will put out in 2013, I'm waiting until the Note 4.
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this is exactly how i feel. people with a Note 1 or S2 can jump on, but if you have a S3 or Note 2, you'll be just fine this year.

Quis89 said:
A deal breaker? Please explain why you need an 8 core chip and what it will do that the quad cores won't?
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Exynos chip is more optimized . Having it in the s2 you should know. Use the US variant of the s3 vs the international, it is just smoother with the exynos. So that's why its a deal breaker. Not going to settle for less. I really don't care for LTE.
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musclehead84 said:
Yeah I agree. Tje snapdragon 600 is one hell if a chip. It is benchmarking better than the exynos 5 octa
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Its scores better only because the app is not optimized for octa
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budde2 said:
Its scores better only because the app is not optimized for octa only singal dule and quad 600 is quad
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Please continue the discussion in the new sticky thread
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