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[Q] S-OFF on hboot 2.16

I have a few questions about s-off and being in the latest OTA.
Here is the short and skinny...
When my wife got the evo when it first was released last year i tried to root it since i wanted to install a program that needed root. i had no real idea on what i was doing and think i might have gotten root, although I am not sure. I never flashed any rom nor did I ever flash that apk and just gave up since I didnt want to break her new phone. (basically got a bit scared)
As for the main screen if you reboot and hold down volume and power, it will display "s-OFF".
She did the two Gingerbread updates OTA and is now on GB 2.3.3. stock.
I noticed that the hboot is set at 2.16...and it still displays "s-off".
I just read that there are different types of "s-off".
Now, the questions are:
1. Is her phone actually rooted?
2. Can I turn on the "s-off" to "S-ON" so that we can bring the phone in for repair?
3. Is there anything that anyone here can gain from her phone being in the state that it is in for people who cant get root under the latest hboot version?
4. I just read that s-off has multiple meaning. How can i tell which one I have on her phone? ie. radio, nand??
Thanks in advance.

pretty sure sprint wont notice the s off so dont bother going s on to ttake it in, even if they do, they dont really care anymore, so long as its got the stock os at least, but they really dont care bout it being rooted anymore
but yeah, your phone basicaly kept the root

I agree with LCL22.
Unrevoked does have an S-ON tool, but I've never used it and I'm not even sure it works anymore. Just leave it S-OFF and flash one of the stock unrooted ROMs from recovery. But I've heard people take their phones back with CM6/CM7 on there, MIUI, etc. It probably depends on the store/rep to be honest.
"Rooted" means having access to the SU binary (superuser). It's a linux thing. It's like having Administrator access to a windows computer. This allows complete control over the currently installed phone software.
S-OFF means that the phones protections have been disabled and you are free to flash unsigned ROMs via the bootloader (HBOOT).
S-OFF is nice, because you can flash any ROM you want via the bootloader; there is no need for a custom recovery to be installed. Of course you can also use the bootloader to flash a custom recovery such as ClockworkMod or Amon_RA.

github said:
I agree with LCL22.
Just leave it S-OFF and flash one of the stock unrooted ROMs from recovery.
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Will flashing the latest unroot ROM from sprint (which is already on there from the OTA update) will turn the s-off to s-on??
Also, if it says s-off, does that mean that it is fully rooted?
The reason why she is considering bringing it into sprint for repair/replace is that is having problems sending texts multiple times to the person she is texting...basically, she sends one text and the receiver gets the same text 20 times.
Either there is something wrong with the phone, the network, or the fact that it is s-off and she is running a non-rooted rom. This issue has been happening since January and on the stock Froyo.
Lastly, I just noticed that she had advanced task killer and I uninstalled it just to make sure it wasnt anything that she has running which is causing the issues.
Thanks in advance.

amart79196 said:
Will flashing the latest unroot ROM from sprint (which is already on there from the OTA update) will turn the s-off to s-on??
Also, if it says s-off, does that mean that it is fully rooted?
The reason why she is considering bringing it into sprint for repair/replace is that is having problems sending texts multiple times to the person she is texting...basically, she sends one text and the receiver gets the same text 20 times.
Either there is something wrong with the phone, the network, or the fact that it is s-off and she is running a non-rooted rom. This issue has been happening since January and on the stock Froyo.
Lastly, I just noticed that she had advanced task killer and I uninstalled it just to make sure it wasnt anything that she has running which is causing the issues.
Thanks in advance.
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S-off only means you are nand unlocked so you can flash a custom recovery and flash a ROM. To be rooted, you have to flash a rooted rom which 99.999% of all the ROMS are rooted on XDA.

S-off just means that you can flash an alternate recovery and custom roms. It doesn't mean that it is rooted.
check in your app list and see if the Superuser app is there. If it isn't, it probably isn't rooted.

S off is perfect! Don't go s on if you can help it.
At my local repair store I chatted with the tech (after running s on tool) if they even check. The guy said not usually. They mainly check if it is stock sense like the Rosie and stuff. And even then they don't usually. They only check if someone brings in their phone with technical or software issues. With hardware they don't bother.
But that is my store.
S off and root are separate things but they kind of depend on each other. To root permanently you need s off, at least for devices with nand.
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But since the Hboot is listed as 2.16, Should I just flash a rooted stock rom to see if this clears up the texting problems she was experiencing?
Most importantly, will flashing a odexed rooted rom work or brick it because it has the 2.16?

amart79196 said:
But since the Hboot is listed as 2.16, Should I just flash a rooted stock rom to see if this clears up the texting problems she was experiencing?
Most importantly, will flashing a odexed rooted rom work or brick it because it has the 2.16?
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Sprint is currently having issues on their end in regards to texting. I've attached an article that you can read over.
http://m.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/07/sprint-sms-text-problem/

ENG S-OFF
EDIT: Nevermind, I just took the risk and it paid off.
I was actually about to start a thread asking the exact same thing. I'm selling my phone and I've heard that if it's not relocked it can't be activated on the Sprint network so I've been trying to get S-ON. I have "EVT2-2 ENG S-OFF" right now.
By the sounds of this all I really need to do is flash a good PC36IMG and all should be good, right? No chance of a brick?

i will read that shortly, but i am more interested in the fact that there is a OTA update done and it now has 2.16 as the hboot. Is this now going to brick if i try to flash a rooted stock rom since she isnt into custom roms?

Now, the questions are:
1. Is her phone actually rooted?
2. Can I turn on the "s-off" to "S-ON" so that we can bring the phone in for repair?
3. Is there anything that anyone here can gain from her phone being in the state that it is in for people who cant get root under the latest hboot version?
4. I just read that s-off has multiple meaning. How can i tell which one I have on her phone? ie. radio, nand??
Thanks in advance.
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Answers :
1. If you flash a recovery.img it will be.
2. You can't really do anything with the s-off right now because I don't think that any of the tools that would do that have been updated to work with hboot 2.16.
3. I'm not sure if anyone can use what you have but I would write up a post in a dev thread to be sure.
4. There are only two meanings that I know of when it comes to s-off. The first is accepting the OTA while rooted which will put your phone in a weird state. If you can use your phone after then I don't think this applies to you. The other is just not having a recovery installed which will render you just unlocked and not rooted.

amart79196 said:
i will read that shortly, but i am more interested in the fact that there is a OTA update done and it now has 2.16 as the hboot. Is this now going to brick if i try to flash a rooted stock rom since she isnt into custom roms?
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No. Flashing a regular rooted odex or deodex version of the RUU won't hurt you if your s-off. I would make a nand backup using amon ra recovery before flashing anything just to be safe.
Amon Ra Recovery - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=705026
Rooted OTA ROM - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1133379

amart79196 said:
But since the Hboot is listed as 2.16, Should I just flash a rooted stock rom to see if this clears up the texting problems she was experiencing?
Most importantly, will flashing a odexed rooted rom work or brick it because it has the 2.16?
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It doesn't matter what hboot you have so long as you're s off
No bricks don't worry. Bricks usually occur during manual radio updates
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[Q] Rooted 2.3.4 but no S off

So I had to get a replacement Incredible because mine broke. My old one was fully rooted and s off. The replacement I got came with Gingerbread 2.3.4. I managed to get it rooted but not get s off. I have the latest clockworks recovery and can do backups etc. But I can't get s off.
I have been unable to use the downgrade method or do anything. But using a root checker it still shows I am rooted.
I felt pretty comfortable with the old phone swapping roms etc but now I feel like and idiot cause I just can't figure this out...LOL
Hope some of the experts can help/

The only way you can get s-off is with unrevoked forever. It requires an older radio from stock froyo. Since you cant flash a radio wile s-on the only way to get it would be to downgrade with the froyo ruu. There is a good thread in the q&a section i believe on how to downgrade from 2.3.4. Some have had success with it and others not so much.
EDIT: Here is the link
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1306400

I have tried this method but can't seem to get it to work. When doing the commands there is one stage where it should push the file to the phone. I think this is where the problem is because it says 0k of XXXXX. Or whatever the total file size is.
I will play more I suppose.

Droid Incredible 1 - No Recovery Mode

Ok I'm going to try to explain this as simply as I can. First let me start by stating that I have searched high and low through XDA and about a dozen other websites in two hours with NO luck.
First, I downloaded CM7 and installed ClockWorkMod Recovery.
Second, I had it reboot in to recovery only to find myself staring a black screen with white bars. Upon further research I come to find that this panel type (slcd) is incompatible with recovery console (RLY?!) and that I am looking at the recovery console, its just blocked by a huge black image.
Third, I take it upon myself and figure I can just use ADB/SDK to flash this friggin' thing through the CMD prompt. But Ha-Ha this is not possible as I have S-ON listed in the HBOOT Menu
Fourth, I found a way to switch to S-OFF but come to find two things. One, this requires use of the recovery console which is inaccessible to me. Secondly, under the "Compatibility" list for the Droid Inc1 on Unrevoked Forever's site, it does not have the most recent Radio listed (Mine is currently 2.15.10.10.07.07 and theres no way in hell I'm attempting this with that said)
Does anyone have any suggestions or should I just give up?

Since your s-on you will need to do an ruu.exe, the one with your pc. (http://pvillecomp.com/?page_id=22) This will get you back to stock recovery. If you then want to go s-off you will need to downgrade with scottys downgrade tutorial found in the general section i believe, and then use unrevoked to gain s-off and root.

Thank you sir
I already had root through Unrevoked 1-click, I'll try this and see if I can flash Cyanogen through the ADB Shell.
Thanks!

Nechen said:
Thank you sir
I already had root through Unrevoked 1-click, I'll try this and see if I can flash Cyanogen through the ADB Shell.
Thanks!
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I am not sure what you mean by having root and CM7? You mention in the OP that you still have S-ON? Not sure how you rooted and flashed an alternate ROM with S-ON...
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WookieFan said:
I am not sure what you mean by having root and CM7? You mention in the OP that you still have S-ON? Not sure how you rooted and flashed an alternate ROM with S-ON...
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I think you might be confusing S-off with Root, the two are not synonymous.

I had s-on the entire time, I just realized it about a month ago, I still had recovery, custom roms, ect.

[Q] Rooted, but can't get S-OFF. Need help...

Hey. I have 2.3.3 installed, and finally have root access, with the help of htcsupertool3. But I do not get S-OFF, so I can not install other ROMs.
I think I've tried most of the guides in here ...
Can anyone come up with advice?
Thank you in advance!

This is the preferred method of obtaining S-OFF and is what most people here will point you towards. be sure to read it carefully as it requires you to downgrade from 2.3.

Do I really have to downgrade to 2.2 to get s-off? Is there an easier way?

Not that I am aware of. That method is the best way to go as it is safe and proven. There might be other ways to do it, but could brick your phone (Visionary comes to mind).

Ok. Thank you. Must read a bit before I try. Will try not to brick my phone...
But after that I can use whatever ROM I want?

Correct. After that method you will have a custom recovery installed and will be able to flash ROMs to your phone. Additionally, you may want to read up on using the Desire Z hboot (if you have a G2) in order to use some of the newer Sense ROMs.

[Q] 4extrecovery-root-custom rom need s-off Help

I'm to this point and I do have some back ups but I wanted to know if I can acheive s-off where I'm at or do I need to go back to stock? Forgot to mentioned I'm unlocked and when I relocked while running a custom rom I got security warning so I quickly unlocked and it didn't seem to hurt anything I'm aware of.

farcus211 said:
I'm to this point and I do have some back ups but I wanted to know if I can acheive s-off where I'm at or do I need to go back to stock? Forgot to mentioned I'm unlocked and when I relocked while running a custom rom I got security warning so I quickly unlocked and it didn't seem to hurt anything I'm aware of.
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theres many, many
threads about s-off.
please take a look for them, and also give some more information.
from what you say, you have recovery, at this point I have no idea the hboot you have, or anything or that matter.
so even if I wanted to help you, I can't.

hboot .98 and I didnt get s-off from the start because I couldn't get the downgrade tool to work at all and I searched for a week to find someone having the same issues as I was having with the model I have 6.01.605.05. I did find some people having the same issue when I would run the downgrade it would say failed 43 error and version older then the one I'm currently running. Which I new that. so I unlocked the phone and tried to install clockworkmod 5.0.2.0 using fastboot so I could get root and it would not take it. So I kept looking for a recovery that would work and found 4ext recovery used fastboot and it loaded and I backed up and installed superuser. Being unlocked I installed Aokp in recovery and Gapps and flashed boot.img and rebooted. I found a method to acheive s-off with tacroot and it didnt go very well.

There is a whole thread in general area for downgrading your software version. Start here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1685387