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classic plan vs value plan

can some one explain to me these plan
cuz i see that the galaxy s3 is going to be free with a clasic plan http://www.tmonews.com/2012/11/t-mobile-holding-two-day-samsung-sale-on-november-16th-17th/
so i want to know what is the deal

value plans are cheaper but you pay the full price of the phone with them , classic plans you get the phone cheaper but theyre more expensive

Was on my account when I read the OP so I copied and pasted what I found. On the CU adding a line is $10.00 per line, and the VP is $25.00
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Classic Unlimited
Unlimited nationwide calling for two lines. Unlimited domestic messages (text, picture, and video) to share. Two-year agreement—great discount on phones. Two lines to start; add more lines if eligible Unlimited T-Mobile to T-Mobile calling. Unlimited Nights and Weekends
Value Plans
Unlimited Value—Talk + Text. This plan includes:Unlimited nationwide calling for two lines. Unlimited domestic messages (text, picture, and video) to share. Two-year agreement Two lines to start; add more lines if eligible starting at $0* Unlimited T-Mobile to T-Mobile callingUnlimited Nights and Weekends
The Small Print...
Limited-time offers;subject to change.Taxes and fees additional. Domestic only. Not all features or plans available on all devices.Unlimited features for direct U.S. communications between two people.Credit approval, $35 per line activation fee and two-year agreement required. Up to $200/line early cancellation fee applies to two-year agreements. If you switch plans you may be bound by existing contract term (and related $200/line early cancellation fee) and $35/line Even More Plus® activation fee may apply. You may be unable to switch to some plans. Additional requirements may apply to business customers; Premier and other business/association discounts may not be available. Regulatory Programs Fee (not a tax or government-mandated charge) of $1.41 per line/month applies. Taxes approx. 6%–28% of your monthly bill. Overage usage extra; partial minutes/data rounded up. Some calls/features involve multiple calls; each call incurs separate charges.Family Plans:Limit five lines. All lines of service must be activated in the same T-Mobile market and have the same billing address and area code.Nights and Weekends:Weekends are midnight Friday to midnight Sunday, and nights are 9:00 p.m. to 6:59 a.m. Monday–Friday, based upon start time of call.T-Mobile to T-Mobile calls*are directly dialed between T-Mobile customer devices while on the T-Mobile USA network (and not roaming on any domestic or international network); calls to voicemail and other T-Mobile service numbers not included.

They're the same when it comes to the services offered and the requisite 2 year agreement. The only difference is the price and phone subsidies.
The idea behind a Value Plan is that you get NO subsidies when it comes to phones and so, T-Mobile passes the savings to you. On a Classic Plan, you can get subsidized prices for phones, and, as a result, you pay more month-to-month. Now you need to decide and do you research and see what is the better option for you.
In my case (I need 4 lines for a Family Plan, and I buy my own phones off Criaglist/Ebay, or up-front), the Value Plan was a better idea. However, if you need a phone and can get in on some deals, then the Classic Plan may be better.
It all boils down to pure economics, nothing is ever free, it's just these american carriers have brainwashed the public that phones are "cheap" and plans are "expensive". And that's why most Americans are tied for 2 years to a large wireless bill and aging hardware.

i saw that the galaxy s3 was going to be free with 2 years agreement so i decide to get it and just pay 200 to cancel the contract and put it on the value plan

Since I have been with TMO almost 8 years we have been getting IMO great deals on phones. "Loyalty" department calls it corporate discount. At the end of Oct. I replaced my wife's Mytouch 4g with an S2, cost me 126.00 shipped overnight with a 100.00 rebate. Then ordered my Note 2 for only 250.00 shipped overnight and it came with a 50.00 rebate. Yes we signed a new contract but since the Mytouch was a "warrenty issue" we only had to extend one contract and to top everything we chose which contract to extend. So with 2 new phones under 300.00 and a contract extention to June of next year. You just can't go wrong with TMO.
You do have to have a silver tongue and negotiate. I call it playing the "corporate game"

Going along with the post 2 up, keep in mind, regardless of your carrier, you're always paying for your phone subsidy. Carriers don't really make money on devices. Why do you think you get locked into a 5GB or UL data feature when you upgrade on a classic plan?
I like the value because you have more flexibility. If I want to switch to a 5GB with hotspot, I can do it any time I want. Or pull off data all together. Also, no bs upgrade fees, and when you're finished paying off the phone, it's done. Unlike the classic or any other carrier where you keep paying for it.
The value plan eligibility is changing so I'd check in the coming months if you're eligible to switch.. If you're interested.
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If you plan on keeping your phone for 2 years, go with the value plan. It is very hard to resell a phone that has been purchased on the value plan until it is paid off.

There is never a scenario where the classic plan is cheaper than the value plan. Unless you call customer service and they give you a phenomenal deal on a phone.
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haldi15 said:
value plans are cheaper but you pay the full price of the phone with them , classic plans you get the phone cheaper but theyre more expensive
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I don't think i value that plan to much lol. .
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lowandbehold said:
If you plan on keeping your phone for 2 years, go with the value plan. It is very hard to resell a phone that has been purchased on the value plan until it is paid off.
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Exactly. So with the big push to get customers on the value plan, which one do you think T-mobile prefers? They aren't going to try to get you onto a plan that will make them less money in the long run.

lowandbehold said:
Exactly. So with the big push to get customers on the value plan, which one do you think T-mobile prefers? They aren't going to try to get you onto a plan that will make them less money in the long run.
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Actually lastnight when buying the new Tab 2 the Rep suggested that I move over to the Value Plan since we are buying there newest phones, and tablets. Also I learned that with the VP you can make payment arrangements on phone purchace's.

vltchkr said:
Actually lastnight when buying the new Tab 2 the Rep suggested that I move over to the Value Plan since we are buying there newest phones, and tablets. Also I learned that with the VP you can make payment arrangements on phone purchace's.
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Umm, yea that is what I said. They want people on the value plan because you don't own your phone. If you don't pay your bill, the IMEI gets blacklisted and your phone is useless. On the classic plan, you own your device which is much better for people that switch phones often.

darocsfinest1 said:
There is never a scenario where the classic plan is cheaper than the value plan. Unless you call customer service and they give you a phenomenal deal on a phone.
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The only other scenario that's cheaper than a value plan is if you have a grandfathered plan. That's my dilemma right now. I'm holding on to my grandfathered plan as long as I can but I really want the Note 2 as well, but I don't have $500 to outlay up front even if I get it back as a rebate (which of course they'll try to screw over).
So I'm going to take a chance and call loyalty on November 16 to see what they can give me.

lowandbehold said:
Umm, yea that is what I said. They want people on the value plan because you don't own your phone. If you don't pay your bill, the IMEI gets blacklisted and your phone is useless. On the classic plan, you own your device which is much better for people that switch phones often.
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My bad, must of had my eye's crossed and T's dotted when I reading.
We are very happy with our service, lastnigh I bought the new Galaxy Tab 2 10.1 for 250.00 with a 50.00 mail in rebate. Unlimited data, talk, text, and hotspot for 20.00 a month
Let me ask you, you said your IMEI could get blacklisted for non payment. Couldn't you simply flash your phone and use another carrier or pre pay sim?

lowandbehold said:
Umm, yea that is what I said. They want people on the value plan because you don't own your phone. If you don't pay your bill, the IMEI gets blacklisted and your phone is useless. On the classic plan, you own your device which is much better for people that switch phones often.
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Value plan doesn't mean you don't own the phone. An EIP plan means you don't own the phone.
T-Mobile certainly can't blacklist phone you own ( ie Google purchased nexus 4) for non payment on a value plan. Best they can do is send you to collection for breaking contract on 2 year value plan unless you pay them the etf.
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vltchkr said:
My bad, must of had my eye's crossed and T's dotted when I reading.
We are very happy with our service, lastnigh I bought the new Galaxy Tab 2 10.1 for 250.00 with a 50.00 mail in rebate. Unlimited data, talk, text, and hotspot for 20.00 a month
Let me ask you, you said your IMEI could get blacklisted for non payment. Couldn't you simply flash your phone and use another carrier or pre pay sim?
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That seems like a fantastic price ($20)for unlimited data, talk, text, and hotspot. Are you sure that is what you are getting?
If it is, can you show which plan you are on? I want to see if I can duplicate the same deal.
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whatsitsnamenow said:
Value plan doesn't mean you don't own the phone. An EIP plan means you don't own the phone.
T-Mobile certainly can't blacklist phone you own ( ie Google purchased nexus 4) for non payment on a value plan. Best they can do is send you to collection for breaking contract on 2 year value plan unless you pay them the etf.
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That seems like a fantastic price ($20)for unlimited data, talk, text, and hotspot. Are you sure that is what you are getting?
If it is, can you show which plan you are on? I want to see if I can duplicate the same deal.
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On the Classic Unlimited with international text, discounted international to the phillipines, with 6 lines.
The Tabs data is usually 35 bucks a month. But again tmo dropped the ball on me. Earlier in the day i had placed the order and i paid 250. Cash. Well it was weird as i didnt recieve any text or email notifications. When i got home from i called and 1. They put in the numbers wrong and ordered the Tab 7" 2. The damn thing was on bo. I wasn't to happy so after 30 minutes with loyaty I got to a sells agent who hooked it up. He couldn't give me anymore discount on the phone as I am already on the "corporate discount" he did give me the plan for 20 bucks. Plus a 50.00 rebate form.
I did have to extend a full 2 years on the Tab as its an added line.
Last month my wife got her SGH-989 for 26.00 after 100. Rebate and no contract extention
Did I mention my monthly bill is under 300.00

vltchkr said:
My bad, must of had my eye's crossed and T's dotted when I reading.
We are very happy with our service, lastnigh I bought the new Galaxy Tab 2 10.1 for 250.00 with a 50.00 mail in rebate. Unlimited data, talk, text, and hotspot for 20.00 a month
Let me ask you, you said your IMEI could get blacklisted for non payment. Couldn't you simply flash your phone and use another carrier or pre pay sim?
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Only overseas or in Canada. T-mobile and AT&T share an IMEI database now so AT&T will block it as well.
whatsitsnamenow said:
Value plan doesn't mean you don't own the phone. An EIP plan means you don't own the phone.
T-Mobile certainly can't blacklist phone you own ( ie Google purchased nexus 4) for non payment on a value plan. Best they can do is send you to collection for breaking contract on 2 year value plan unless you pay them the etf.
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That seems like a fantastic price ($20)for unlimited data, talk, text, and hotspot. Are you sure that is what you are getting?
If it is, can you show which plan you are on? I want to see if I can duplicate the same deal.
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Yes, you are right. I was speaking strictly in regards to purchasing the Galaxy Note 2 on EIP and not using the value plan and BYOD.

is this possible?

I think this would work but wanted to hear from others.
With the new non contract plans:
Could I pay the 199 up front for a note 2 and pay 20/mo for 24 months like the plan is intended but after 1 month, stop the 70/mo unlimited plan and do the 30/month 1oo min unl text/data and keep paying the 20/mo for the phone and be legit?
That way my plan would be 50/mo...20 for phone and 30 for plan

Think you should be fine. I signed up for their 79.99 plan, waited till I got my $200 rebate and switched to 49.99 with no hassle or issues.
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chnky18 said:
I think this would work but wanted to hear from others.
With the new non contract plans:
Could I pay the 199 up front for a note 2 and pay 20/mo for 24 months like the plan is intended but after 1 month, stop the 70/mo unlimited plan and do the 30/month 1oo min unl text/data and keep paying the 20/mo for the phone and be legit?
That way my plan would be 50/mo...20 for phone and 30 for plan
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No you can't, the 30 dollar a month one is a prepaid plan, you will cancel your actual postpaid account then be billed for the full amount of the device immediately on your following bill.
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The new plans are what im referring to...where you arent signing a contract. The new tmobile push to no contracts
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chnky18 said:
The new plans are what im referring to...where you arent signing a contract. The new tmobile push to no contracts
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I think you can FWIW. I would call them
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chnky18 said:
The new plans are what im referring to...where you arent signing a contract. The new tmobile push to no contracts
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Just because you sign no contract for the plan does not mean it is a prepaid plan. You will sign a contract when you get the EIP (the phone itself). Most likely what that contact says is you must stay a current T-Mobile post paid customer or your EIP comes sure in full.
You can call but I'm more then willing to bet that you can't stop service with their post paid plans and go prepaid and have an EIP.
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I'm sure T mobile will let you cancel you post paid and switch to prepaid. when you pay off the phone

well what i would do is get a new number when buying the phone with the post paid plan...then after 1 month which is what tmo says all they require then transfer my number from sprint to tmo prepaid sim card, take post paid sim out, put pre paid sim in and pay the 30/mo plus 20/mo for phone

Then you will have to cancel the plan you signed up for, pay the early termination fees and then they will require you to pay the remaining balance on the EIP. It says it in the fine print at the bottom of the screen on T-mobile's website.
Edit: Here's the link, go read the bottom.
http://deals.t-mobile.com/unlimited-4g-data-no-contract

Data plan magic time

HERE IT IS:
This is the chat log from when I switched my plan through the T Mobile website. This is the best way to get this done. Talking to someone on the phone is a bad idea because they will just try and word ninja you into buying something you don't want. At least this way, you'll have a hard copy of exactly what you agreed to and what they told you. Good luck.
!Fides S: Yes, the $25.00 per month on line **** is for the 5GB with hotspot feature with throttling Jacob.
jacob ******: so if I switch to the $20.00 per month unlimited data plan I will save money and have no throttling and lose only hotspot feature?
!Fides S: That is correct.
jacob ******: sounds like a good idea to me
jacob ******: and with change my bill will decrease by $5.00 per month correct?
!Fides S: That is correct, Jacob.
jacob ******: I currently pay $92.97 and that will change to $87.97 per month then? If that is correct, can we make this change now?
!Fides S: Upon checking your account, your estimated monthly bill is $96.19. With the change to the unlimited data, your estimated monthly bill will decrease by $5.00.
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I used the chat option on the website to change the plan after reading THIS.

Were you also still in your contract per the first thread? One would think if you're still in your contract you would have no choice but to keep the price until the contract expires? While it would be awesome to us, wouldn't tmo be losing money in that case?
You guys also may want to check and see if you were stuck with a $30 charge to change plans. I was stuck with this when I argued my wifes data plan and wanted truly unlimited because it was the same price. They changed it, but stuck us with that $30 fee.

MrRuckus said:
Were you also still in your contract per the first thread? One would think if you're still in your contract you would have no choice but to keep the price until the contract expires? While it would be awesome to us, wouldn't tmo be losing money in that case?
You guys also may want to check and see if you were stuck with a $30 charge to change plans. I was stuck with this when I argued my wifes data plan and wanted truly unlimited because it was the same price. They changed it, but stuck us with that $30 fee.
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No additional contract was discussed and I did not do the typical 'I understand I am entering an agreement...' song and dance about any fees that would be charged. I all went pretty smooth IMHO. :laugh: :good:

You need to be out of contract in order to use this data plan. Tmobile put me on a "bridge to value" plan until my current contract expires. It's cheaper than the classic plan I was on, but more expensive than their new uncarrier plans.

Towle said:
You need to be out of contract in order to use this data plan. Tmobile put me on a "bridge to value" plan until my current contract expires. It's cheaper than the classic plan I was on, but more expensive than their new uncarrier plans.
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Not based off of contract. Its based off of upgrade tenure. You can fully switch over 18 months after the last discount you took on a phone.. So typically 6 months before your contract end date
On bridge to value you're paying $15/month for unlimited 4g but more on you're base plan than a full value plan

clninja said:
Not based off of contract. Its based off of upgrade tenure. You can fully switch over 18 months after the last discount you took on a phone.. So typically 6 months before your contract end date
On bridge to value you're paying $15/month for unlimited 4g but more on you're base plan than a full value plan
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The person I talked to switched us to 2.5gb for $20 on the bridge to value. He said we can fully switch all lines to the uncarrier plan once our contract is up in November. A couple of the lines are only 2 months into the last phone upgrade.
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Towle said:
The person I talked to switched us to 2.5gb for $20 on the bridge to value. He said we can fully switch all lines to the uncarrier plan once our contract is up in November. A couple of the lines are only 2 months into the last phone upgrade.
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You need to get that fixed... Bridge to value 2gb is only $5 and unlimited 4g is $15

clninja said:
You need to get that fixed... Bridge to value 2gb is only $5 and unlimited 4g is $15
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What are the plans they're advertising on their website then? They include 500mb of data and it's $10 to add 2gb.
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Towle said:
What are the plans they're advertising on their website then? They include 500mb of data and it's $10 to add 2gb.
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That's the uncarrier plan. 50 for unlimited talk and text and data w/500mb of 4g. $10 per 2gb extra(with unlimited hotspot throttled at your phones limit) or $20 for unlimited 4g w/500mb of hotspot ( capped ) and you can buy additional hotspot at $10 per 2gb ( unlim hotspot not available with unlimited phone 4g )

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clninja said:
You need to get that fixed... Bridge to value 2gb is only $5 and unlimited 4g is $15
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I just have to post my findings here.
I talked to Tmobile, and they say there is no such thing as $5 and $15 data.
They put us on a plan which is $100 for 2 lines w/ unlimited talk and text + 500mb data. It's either $20 to add 2gb or $30 for unlimited.
They did say that our bill would drop about $70 once we're out of contract and switch to the value plan, so maybe those prices pertain to straight value instead of the bridge to value plans..?

Towle said:
I just have to post my findings here.
I talked to Tmobile, and they say there is no such thing as $5 and $15 data.
They put us on a plan which is $100 for 2 lines w/ unlimited talk and text + 500mb data. It's either $20 to add 2gb or $30 for unlimited.
They did say that our bill would drop about $70 once we're out of contract and switch to the value plan, so maybe those prices pertain to straight value instead of the bridge to value plans..?
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The plan they put you on is a straight value plan not bridge to value. The $5 and $15 prices are for bridge to value
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clninja said:
The plan they put you on is a straight value plan not bridge to value. The $5 and $15 prices are for bridge to value
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If I'm on the straight value plan now, then what's the cheaper plan called that I am waiting to be put on once my contract ends?
Edit: I think where the confusion is coming from is that they are calling the new uncarrier plans the value plans. When I check online, my new plan is called unlimited classic, which is an old value plan.
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Uncarrier Value plan is 2 lines for 80+tax for unlim talk and text and 500mb 4g . then $10/line for 2.5gb or $20/line for unlim 4g
That's without insurance. Insurance is 7.99/line extra
Value plan is 2 lines 80+tax for unlim talk and text. Doesn't include data. $5/line for 500mb. $10/line for 2gb and $20/line for unlim 4g.
Insurance is same price. 7.99/line
Bridge to value gets complicated
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Edit: I think where the confusion is coming from is that they are calling the new uncarrier plans the value plans. When I check online, my new plan is called unlimited classic, which is an old value plan.
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Unlimited classic would be bridge to value. On a bridge to value you should be able to get 2gb for $5 per line or unlim 4g for $15 per line.
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T Mobile Classic plan to Value plan - Migrate Fee or ETF - which would you choose...

So we got a couple of new phones from T-Mo back in Nov 2012, thereby extending our contract for two years.
Now looking at their new Simple Value Plans, I am tempted to move over - as I am currently paying about $140 for 2 lines under family plan with Unlimited T&T and 5GB data ($20 Preferred Android plan) - My motivation to move is lower pricing and option to Tether - since I dont have that available to me under my current Preferred Android Data plan)
Tmo rep told me that there would be a $200/line migration fee - (Fair enough) and that they would give me $100 credit - so I end up paying $300 one time at the time of switching - I would still remain under contract though until I complete it.
Now if I decided to terminate the contract with TMob - I still have to pay $200/line ETF - however this gets me out of my contract completely - I can then sign up under a new value plan - no more contract.
I am not sure if under this second option, I will lose our current mobile #s ....... Though d move to Straight talk ($45/line for unlimited talk text and data) Prepaid plan, I can port my number and save some money - if i dont like it, I can sign up again with TMobile under their no contract simple value plan and bring my same number back
Is it worth all this trouble? I do want tethering and eventually to move over to Tmob Simple value plan - ETF or Migration ???
Any other options?

starxlights said:
So we got a couple of new phones from T-Mo back in Nov 2012, thereby extending our contract for two years.
Now looking at their new Simple Value Plans, I am tempted to move over - as I am currently paying about $140 for 2 lines under family plan with Unlimited T&T and 5GB data ($20 Preferred Android plan) - My motivation to move is lower pricing and option to Tether - since I dont have that available to me under my current Preferred Android Data plan)
Tmo rep told me that there would be a $200/line migration fee - (Fair enough) and that they would give me $100 credit - so I end up paying $300 one time at the time of switching - I would still remain under contract though until I complete it.
Now if I decided to terminate the contract with TMob - I still have to pay $200/line ETF - however this gets me out of my contract completely - I can then sign up under a new value plan - no more contract.
I am not sure if under this second option, I will lose our current mobile #s ....... Though d move to Straight talk ($45/line for unlimited talk text and data) Prepaid plan, I can port my number and save some money - if i dont like it, I can sign up again with TMobile under their no contract simple value plan and bring my same number back
Is it worth all this trouble? I do want tethering and eventually to move over to Tmob Simple value plan - ETF or Migration ???
Any other options?
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Second option you week lose your number. The account must be active to pry a number. Your third option I don't think we'll work either. Most companies won't let you port a number out that you ported to them.
By the way that's what I did, so I think it's worth it
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kintwofan said:
Second option you week lose your number. The account must be active to pry a number. Your third option I don't think we'll work either. Most companies won't let you port a number out that you ported to them.
By the way that's what I did, so I think it's worth it
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Once in 2008, I did port my number out of Tmo to Verizon through my employer, and later when I changed jobs, ported it back to Tmob... so thats not an issue...
One other option that comes to mind is to get two new lines under value plan from Tmob and once they are active, port these numbers over to those and pay the etf for breaking the contract... not sure if Tmob will agree to internal porting though.
Anyone has experience with Straight Talk?

When I was at tmobile they were trying to get me to move to the new plans but there weren't any fees involved. Just a straight move but I kept my value plan coz it was about 20 bucks cheaper.
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starxlights said:
So we got a couple of new phones from T-Mo back in Nov 2012, thereby extending our contract for two years.
Now looking at their new Simple Value Plans, I am tempted to move over - as I am currently paying about $140 for 2 lines under family plan with Unlimited T&T and 5GB data ($20 Preferred Android plan) - My motivation to move is lower pricing and option to Tether - since I dont have that available to me under my current Preferred Android Data plan)
Tmo rep told me that there would be a $200/line migration fee - (Fair enough) and that they would give me $100 credit - so I end up paying $300 one time at the time of switching - I would still remain under contract though until I complete it.
Now if I decided to terminate the contract with TMob - I still have to pay $200/line ETF - however this gets me out of my contract completely - I can then sign up under a new value plan - no more contract.
I am not sure if under this second option, I will lose our current mobile #s ....... Though d move to Straight talk ($45/line for unlimited talk text and data) Prepaid plan, I can port my number and save some money - if i dont like it, I can sign up again with TMobile under their no contract simple value plan and bring my same number back
Is it worth all this trouble? I do want tethering and eventually to move over to Tmob Simple value plan - ETF or Migration ???
Any other options?
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Before iphone 5 come out to tmobile on april 12. They change data plan. No more classic or value plan only uncarrier plan unlimited everything for $120 n i think 5gb of internet. Dont swith they will not give you a value plan or call them and comfirm.
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drshorty said:
Dont swith they will not give you a value plan or call them and comfirm.
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Since, there is only one type of "Simple" plan available, thats the plan i mean - whatever they may call it - Value, Uncarrier or anything else
I couldnt understand the quoted sentence above - tell me again.

I switched all my 4 lines to the new plans and didn't have to pay any migration or etf fees. Just a simple straight move from the old plan to the new one; saving me about $40 a month including taxes/fees.
I was also under contract with a few months left. I'm no longer under contract since the switch. Try getting another rep to help you.
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MikeYuse0406 said:
I switched all my 4 lines to the new plans and didn't have to pay any migration or etf fees. Just a simple straight move from the old plan to the new one; saving me about $40 a month including taxes/fees.
I was also under contract with a few months left. I'm no longer under contract since the switch. Try getting another rep to help you.
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The fee is based on how long you've been under your current contact. So you being near the end of your contact there is no fee. For people just starting out on the contract it's 200.
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starxlights said:
Since, there is only one type of "Simple" plan available, thats the plan i mean - whatever they may call it - Value, Uncarrier or anything else
I couldnt understand the quoted sentence above - tell me again.
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First... are you looking at family plan or 1 linea...
I have family value plan of $90 at months, my linea is unlimited internet and my girl is 2gb of high speed internet. I dont care of unlimited talked. Uncarrier first linea is $50 plus $20 unlimited internet, at a second linea for $30 plus $10 of 2gb inertnet or $20 unlimited. So there is no more value plan, only uncarrier..
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fee is based on last time you upgraded you phone, not contract, if you are under contract they will switch you with out fee , you have to ride out remain of your contract term.
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amorek13 said:
fee is based on last time you upgraded you phone, not contract, if you are under contract they will switch you with out fee , you have to ride out remain of your contract term.
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Well that's what I meant. To me if you are under contract you got a discounted phone, but technically you are right. By the way op here is the fee schedule.
https://t-mobile.jive-mobile.com/#jive-document?content=/api/core/v2/documents/3282
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kintwofan said:
Second option you week lose your number. The account must be active to pry a number. Your third option I don't think we'll work either. Most companies won't let you port a number out that you ported to them.
By the way that's what I did, so I think it's worth it
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I've ported my number 3 different times. From Tmobile to Cricket to Sprint and back to Tmobile. The carriers can't stop you from porting a number, but on occasion, their systems will screw something up and the number gets lost.

badutahboy said:
I've ported my number 3 different times. From Tmobile to Cricket to Sprint and back to Tmobile. The carriers can't stop you from porting a number, but on occasion, their systems will screw something up and the number gets lost.
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Well good to know. I've only ported a number once. I just remember ready in a couple contacts that they will deny you porting a number you ported to then. Guess its not enforced then.
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I have found that the sales people on the phone are more motivated and flexible than in the store and that you can negotiate pretty much what you want. When you ask for something, they say, "Hold on", ask their boss, and, invariably, say yes to your offer, or, come back with a good counter-offer. I have unlimited everything (real unlimited, i.e., no slow down) on three lines for about $220. I have never paid any activation fees and have even had fees waived in return for extending the contract. And don't worry about the tethering issue - if you root and flash a custom ROM, you can create your own hotspot for free even if the feature is not included in your plan.
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At least it works for me.

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I have found that the sales people on the phone are more motivated and flexible than in the store and that you can negotiate pretty much what you want. When you ask for something, they say, "Hold on", ask their boss, and, invariably, say yes to your offer, or, come back with a good counter-offer. I have unlimited everything (real unlimited, i.e., no slow down) on three lines for about $220. I have never paid any activation fees and have even had fees waived in return for extending the contract. And don't worry about the tethering issue - if you root and flash a custom ROM, you can create your own hotspot for free even if the feature is not included in your plan.
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At least it works for me.
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I hear ya! In the past, T-Mobile has always been generous and within my ability to reason and negotiate with - so no complaints about that but for some reason, I find that suddenly they have become very unrelenting and unwilling to negotiate on some aspects of ones contract (Such as migration fee) - When I asked the Loyalty CSR he said that in the past, under various classic plans they had a lot of margin, but with these new ultra competitive uncarrier plans there is just no room to negotiate - I can understand that - yet, as a customer I have to negotiate
Anyway - they have agreed to give me $160 slack on my migration fee - so instead of $400 on my two family plan lines it will be $240 - and then the CSR mentioned that in June my current classic contract will enter its 8th month which will drop $50 from my Migration fee on each line down to $300 for both - the discount they offered of $160 will continue to be valid even then (CSR Notated the account) so it would make most sense to change over in june with the Migration Fee of only $140 ($300 MF -$160 discount). I created an XL sheet to check my breakeven compared to my current classic plan and by October I will be ahead on the Uncarrier plan.
I plan to go with Unlimited T&T family for $80, $10 for 2gb tethering data for wife and $20 /4gb tethering data for self. If I can get myself to root my note 2 by then and add the hotspot, I may just go with the $20 unlimited high speed data.
Somehow, unlike my previous devices, I am very happy with the stock rom and don't want to get into dealing with bugs, missed updates etc with custom roms - so I may just stay stock / unrooted.
ps - btw great signature image - where did you get such clean images of your past phones?

starxlights said:
...am very happy with the stock rom and don't want to get into dealing with bugs, missed updates etc with custom roms - so I may just stay stock / unrooted...
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The CyanogenMod 10.1 stable release is fully functional and bug-free. But rooting/modding isn't for everyone.
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...ps - btw great signature image - where did you get such clean images of your past phones?
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Thanks. I just searched google images.

AT&T Grandfathered Unlimited Data vs. T-Mobile Unlimited 4G LTE?

Hi Guys,
I'm a current AT&T customer. I have a grandfathered LTE unlimited data plan. And about 400 phone minutes + unlimited texting. I pay about $75 out the door including taxes & etc.
AT&T is irking me right now, so I'm considering moving over to T-Mobile and looking for advice on a few questions.
Just FYI, T-Mobile is getting LTE in my area this month (Austin, TX). And I'm interested in their top of the line, $70/month "Unlimited Nationwide 4G" data plan.
1) My AT&T throttles me pretty hard after 5GB of use. Does T-Mobile do this?
2) Will the $70/month plan T-Mobile offers apply to LTE or just the faux 4G (3G)?
3) Should I just stay where I am on AT&T since I'm grandfathered?
4) Is there a chance T-Mobile will revoke my "Unlimited" next year like Verizon has done in the past?
Thanks for any advice.

1) My AT&T throttles me pretty hard after 5GB of use. Does T-Mobile do this?
No. If you have Unlimited Nationwide 4G you will never be throttled.
2) Will the $70/month plan T-Mobile offers apply to LTE or just the faux 4G (3G)?
Both.
3) Should I just stay where I am on AT&T since I'm grandfathered?
That's up to you.
4) Is there a chance T-Mobile will revoke my "Unlimited" next year like Verizon has done in the past?
Not a chance, this is their main selling point.

CZ Eddie said:
Hi Guys,
I'm a current AT&T customer. I have a grandfathered LTE unlimited data plan. And about 400 phone minutes + unlimited texting. I pay about $75 out the door including taxes & etc.
AT&T is irking me right now, so I'm considering moving over to T-Mobile and looking for advice on a few questions.
Just FYI, T-Mobile is getting LTE in my area this month (Austin, TX). And I'm interested in their top of the line, $70/month "Unlimited Nationwide 4G" data plan.
1) My AT&T throttles me pretty hard after 5GB of use. Does T-Mobile do this?
2) Will the $70/month plan T-Mobile offers apply to LTE or just the faux 4G (3G)?
3) Should I just stay where I am on AT&T since I'm grandfathered?
4) Is there a chance T-Mobile will revoke my "Unlimited" next year like Verizon has done in the past?
Thanks for any advice.
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1) With the unlimited nationwide 4g data plan, there is no throttling and its unlimited 4G data.
2) Yes it does apply to LTE but you need a LTE enabled device.
3)If you think that the 5 dollar difference is worth it. But in all reality its unlimited everything with no data caps when you get the 70 dollar plan, plus LTE is coming to your area soon so i'd go for it.
4)I highly doubt they would do something like that as they are trying to get ahead of Sprint, At&t, Verizon with the simple choice uncarrier plans.
lol someone answered while i was typing...oops.

Aww crud.
It looks like TMO does things a little differently.
Sure, the phone is only $149 up front. But then you have to pay $20/month for the next 24 months. Which effectively raises the $70/month plan to $90/month. Or a bunch more than what my AT&T plan would be if I get the $199 phone up front and stay with my current $70/month plan.

CZ Eddie said:
Aww crud.
It looks like TMO does things a little differently.
Sure, the phone is only $149 up front. But then you have to pay $20/month for the next 24 months. Which effectively raises the $70/month plan to $90/month. Or a bunch more than what my AT&T plan would be if I get the $199 phone up front and stay with my current $70/month plan.
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Keep in mind - with AT&T you gotta contract for that $199 phone. Whereas with TMobile, you don't have a contract..

CZ Eddie said:
Hi Guys,
I'm a current AT&T customer. I have a grandfathered LTE unlimited data plan. And about 400 phone minutes + unlimited texting. I pay about $75 out the door including taxes & etc.
AT&T is irking me right now, so I'm considering moving over to T-Mobile and looking for advice on a few questions.
Just FYI, T-Mobile is getting LTE in my area this month (Austin, TX). And I'm interested in their top of the line, $70/month "Unlimited Nationwide 4G" data plan.
1) My AT&T throttles me pretty hard after 5GB of use. Does T-Mobile do this?
2) Will the $70/month plan T-Mobile offers apply to LTE or just the faux 4G (3G)?
3) Should I just stay where I am on AT&T since I'm grandfathered?
4) Is there a chance T-Mobile will revoke my "Unlimited" next year like Verizon has done in the past?
Thanks for any advice.
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1) hell no
2) full LTE
3) hell no
4) hell no

coyttl said:
Keep in mind - with AT&T you gotta contract for that $199 phone. Whereas with TMobile, you don't have a contract..
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Ahhh, so I do have to pay $20/month for the phone for 24 months and that part is a "contract".
But the $70/month data plan is NOT a contract and I can quit that at any time.
Sounds nice I guess.
I wish T-Mobile website had a "chat" capability so I can talk to a salesperson. But they removed that feature.

CZ Eddie said:
Aww crud.
It looks like TMO does things a little differently.
Sure, the phone is only $149 up front. But then you have to pay $20/month for the next 24 months. Which effectively raises the $70/month plan to $90/month. Or a bunch more than what my AT&T plan would be if I get the $199 phone up front and stay with my current $70/month plan.
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you dont have to pay $20 a month for 24 months if you pay the $149, and then make a $300 payment after you account is created. you'll only pay $20 a month for 9 months after.
this is what i did.
f*** ATT bro.
f*** em'
make the jump.
i was with ATT mobile for ~15 years and couldn't be happier ive left those f**ks
f*****g bit*es

CZ Eddie said:
Ahhh, so I do have to pay $20/month for the phone for 24 months and that part is a "contract".
But the $70/month data plan is NOT a contract and I can quit that at any time.
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I think (however, I'm not sure, maybe someone else can tell me if I understand right or not..) If you terminate your plan with TMobil, you'll owe TMobile the rest of the price of the phone.
And if you don't have a contract with ATT, and don't owe them the rest of the money, then buy the phone for $199, cancel your plan the next month and sell the phone for $600. You'll make $400. DO it over and over, and you'll be rich.
The biggest selling point for me was the lack of contract. I plan on giving them an extra $100/month for a few months to get the phone paid off.

Regarding 2) Faux 4G/LTE:
I know quite a lot of ppl have issue with this as a matter of topic. But to be honest the "faux" 4G / LTE is pretty darn fast. It's HSPDA+ which at its worst runs at 4meg down and 1 meg up. I know plenty of ppl in Nyc that don't get that on their cable modems reliably. Also it's pretty challenging to really push the need for more unless you are downloading a rom.
I think it's a lot of media hype that ppl "need" 20 meg down and 10 meg up... It's like advertising a car that can do a 200+ mph top speed. Is it nice to have? Sure it is... Do you often have the opportunity to show it off I real life or day to day use? Not really... 100mph is plenty fast lol
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coyttl said:
I think (however, I'm not sure, maybe someone else can tell me if I understand right or not..) If you terminate your plan with TMobil, you'll owe TMobile the rest of the price of the phone.
And if you don't have a contract with ATT, and don't owe them the rest of the money, then buy the phone for $199, cancel your plan the next month and sell the phone for $600. You'll make $400. DO it over and over, and you'll be rich.
The biggest selling point for me was the lack of contract. I plan on giving them an extra $100/month for a few months to get the phone paid off.
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Awesome idea except that when you get a subsidized priced phone from att you are committing to 2 more years under contract with them...
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CZ Eddie said:
Ahhh, so I do have to pay $20/month for the phone for 24 months and that part is a "contract".
But the $70/month data plan is NOT a contract and I can quit that at any time.
Sounds nice I guess.
I wish T-Mobile website had a "chat" capability so I can talk to a salesperson. But they removed that feature.
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No, the phone is not a contract. It's just T-Mobile financing the phone to you. Just like buying a car, you put so much down and you pay it off when you pay it off, but your MINIMUM monthly payment is 20 bucks.
If you put the down payment, then 200 down the first month, and another 200 down the next month, and another 80 or so down the third month then cancel your service you now own the phone completely and T-Mobile will give you an unlock code and be like "Alright bro, thanks for the business, hope you come back yo." No early termination fees, no nothing.
However, if you cancel your service while you still owe money on the phone, you still owe money on the phone. You either pay it off at a rate of at minimum 20 per month OR you don't and they sell the finance to a collection agency.
It's just simple financing rather than being put into actual contracts like the big guys.
coyttl said:
I think (however, I'm not sure, maybe someone else can tell me if I understand right or not..) If you terminate your plan with TMobil, you'll owe TMobile the rest of the price of the phone.
And if you don't have a contract with ATT, and don't owe them the rest of the money, then buy the phone for $199, cancel your plan the next month and sell the phone for $600. You'll make $400. DO it over and over, and you'll be rich.
The biggest selling point for me was the lack of contract. I plan on giving them an extra $100/month for a few months to get the phone paid off.
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...except the ETF for ATT is 325 dollars... plus tax... plus tax when you buy the phone for 199... So you're looking at 525 plus tax for a phone you can MAYBE sell for 600. Not to mention whatever the rediculous cost of the first month plus activation fees, plus hidden charges, plus whatever the **** ATT feels like adding to your first (only in this case) bill.
Plus I'm sure ATT has somewhere in fine print you will have to pay more if you try some stupid **** like this.
Great idea, you should try it and end up paying probably around 150 bucks for the lesson.

TeknoGodz said:
You either pay it off completely you don't and they sell the finance to a collection agency.
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FTFY. If you end service before the end of the phone payment term, you owe the balance of the phone there. If it's $20, you pay $20, if it's $200, you pay $200.

k0nane said:
FTFY. If you end service before the end of the phone payment term, you owe the balance of the phone there. If it's $20, you pay $20, if it's $200, you pay $200.
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Oh really, I thought you could still pay it monthly... Well that kinda sucks.

TeknoGodz said:
Oh really, I thought you could still pay it monthly... Well that kinda sucks.
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No I'm pretty sure you can still pay it off monthly even after you cancel the service according to one of the corporate T-Mobile agents I spoke to.
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No I'm pretty sure you can still pay it off monthly even after you cancel the service according to one of the corporate T-Mobile agents I spoke to.
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Then again I would NOT trust a word that comes out of their mouth. They no nothing. I asked 3 different people and they told me I could not use the 100 dollar cards that you can buy at walmart or target for my simple choice plan. They told me there was no way and there are no prepaid cards that allow you to do this. The next day I was at target and saw the card.... It clearly states "For use with prepaid or monthly plans". Bought it and used it no issues.
Haven't believed a word from their mouth since.

TeknoGodz said:
Then again I would NOT trust a word that comes out of their mouth. They no nothing. I asked 3 different people and they told me I could not use the 100 dollar cards that you can buy at walmart or target for my simple choice plan. They told me there was no way and there are no prepaid cards that allow you to do this. The next day I was at target and saw the card.... It clearly states "For use with prepaid or monthly plans". Bought it and used it no issues.
Haven't believed a word from their mouth since.
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That's bad luck lol. Usually the people I talk to are usually right but I do customer service over chat.
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Yeah, it's really clever marketing by T-Mobile, this whole "un-carrier" thing. You end up paying $20/month for the privilege of not having a contract. I don't know about most of you, but I don't switch carriers THAT often. And even so, if your termination fee is pro-rated, then why not let the carrier eat the subsidy for as long as you were a customer? You're going to have service for a period of time anyway, you might as well get device subsidy credit for it. With T-Mobile you get nada. Assuming you're a T-Mobile customer for 2 years, you just paid full price for the phone AND $70/month for service. It's really genius and AT&T has to be pissed they didn't think of it first those livered lilly money grubers!
I have the AT&T Unlimited Data plan, but at 5gb and then throttled, they can s!#k it.

kevroc said:
Yeah, it's really clever marketing by T-Mobile, this whole "un-carrier" thing. You end up paying $20/month for the privilege of not having a contract. I don't know about most of you, but I don't switch carriers THAT often. And even so, if your termination fee is pro-rated, then why not let the carrier eat the subsidy for as long as you were a customer? You're going to have service for a period of time anyway, you might as well get device subsidy credit for it. With T-Mobile you get nada. Assuming you're a T-Mobile customer for 2 years, you just paid full price for the phone AND $70/month for service. It's really genius and AT&T has to be pissed they didn't think of it first those livered lilly money grubers!
I have the AT&T Unlimited Data plan, but at 5gb and then throttled, they can s!#k it.
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From each carrier's website, new contract, two lines, assuming purchase of two S4s:
Sprint: $249.99 per phone ($149.99 if transferring your number), $149.99 per month for 1500 shared minutes and unlimited text/data ($209 per month for unlimited everything)
AT&T: $199.99 per phone, $149.99 per month for 550 shared minutes, unlimited text, 3 GB data per phone (more per month for more minutes, 209.99 if you want unlimited; $20 extra per phone to upgrade to 5 GB, their max allowed)
Verizon: $199.99 per phone, $149.99 per month for unlimited talk/text and 4 GB of shared data ($160 for 6 GB, up to $190 for 12 GB)
T-Mobile: $149.99 per phone up front, $140 (includes phone payment) for unlimited talk/text and 2.5 GB of data per phone, $160 for unlimited data instead
*That* is the point of T-Mobile's plans, the no-contract thing is merely a nice convenience. Even including the phone cost it's $10/month cheaper than the other carriers for their cheapest useful plans (assuming you want more than a few hundred megs of data each month) and just $10 more per month than the fairly limited plans Verizon and AT&T offer at that price level gets you full unlimited.