This is a respectful moan....
How come on the Nexus forums all the roms are the same????
Now let me get one thing cleared up first, I am not a developer, I have rudimentary knowledge and know enough to get by and install the mods on this forum. I am not aiming this at any developer in particular and I am very grateful to those who spend their time making these Roms and for that I thank you.
But with other phones Ive owned (Sony, HTC and Samsung) the forums are filled with stock roms + AOSP / AOKP and MIUI, Gaming Roms, Light roms, Various ports of Sense, Xperia or Touchwiz and thats what I like to have on my device.
Here on our forums are 10 shades of the same look, and im just wondering why? how? Just pure coincidence? Is it because a Nexus device is similar to AOSP by default??
I like my nexus and I love the forum are the hard workers making these free roms but I switched to a Nexus phone and tab because they are developers phones, easy to hack etc but it seems that the creativity on this part of XDA is stunted somehow, Phones that are harder to hack like for example the HTC Desire HD have way more variety like the challenge is worth seeing how much stuff can be ported.
This is not a ***** and is not intended to offend those who work hard on this forum but just food for thought, what are your experiences / thoughts?
exekias said:
But with other phones Ive owned (Sony, HTC and Samsung) the forums are filled with stock roms + AOSP / AOKP and MIUI, Gaming Roms, Light roms, Various ports of Sense, Xperia or Touchwiz and thats what I like to have on my device.
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ppl buy the nexus to run AOSP roms
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ppl buy the nexus to run AOSP roms
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Well yes and no....
I bought the Nexus because on most of my phones i ended up running AOSP eventually so this was a logical purchase but i also ran MIUI for such a long time and miss it tbh.
It would be fair to say a segment of Nexus owners buy for the AOSP feel but not all and only, most don't know what they are buying / getting into or some don't see the whole picture (like me)
Cheers
These are personal opinions, aint worth nothing. You want ports? Port it yourself.
Miui? With all xda, and all the devices, you people keep asking for bloated ****, senses and what not. Tsk. Rather use B2G or Flyme.
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bk201doesntexist said:
These are personal opinions, aint worth nothing. You want ports? Port it yourself.
Miui? With all xda, and all the devices, you people keep asking for bloated ****, senses and what not. Tsk. Rather use B2G or Flyme.
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Oh yes how witty of you to jump to the exulted persona of some one who uttered "port it yourself"
I was simply asking for opinions and insights as to why their is less variety on a device that is meant to be modified, as such a visitor to a town comments on what is different in this locale.
Lets apply your logic to a food critic who comments that the food was missing X, Y and Z, by your logic the restaurant in question should say
"you want X? Cook it yourself"
You have misread my intentions in your rush to be oh so common internet troll
And some bloatware is nice, i particular enjoy MIUI because it is aesthetically pleasing despite the fact I turn most features off.
Thank you for your input, Im sure all the developers on this forum feel safe from evil doers like me with you to back them up
I have the same feeling m8, but maybe this is happening because 4.2.1 has lots of bugs and maybe dev's are waiting for google to clean the mess.
I also came from S2 where we had lots of aokp based roms, really, those were my favourite, here I can barely see aokp roms or cm10 based ones.
I havn't bought my Nexus ONLY to try aosp rom's like other said, that makes no sense.
I'm really thankful to dev's that "invest" their time in this community, which is great, and I'm not moaning, it's just like an observation.
And btw, personal opinions matter, that's why this community exists and develops itself, cuz we all have an opinion.
I got hardcore flamed for asking the same question...
people around here are touchy as hell lol
The nexus s and nexus one have a million Roms from other devices ported already.. I imagine the galaxy nexus will receive the same treatment in time.
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akira02rex said:
The nexus s and nexus one have a million Roms from other devices ported already.. I imagine the galaxy nexus will receive the same treatment in time.
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That's because the One and the S are nearly identical, hardware wise, to the HTC Desire and Samsung Galaxy S, while the Galaxy Nexus is quite different compared to the S2
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You should have just looked at the forum before buying the phone. Most people on this forum want to run AOSP. That's just how it works. Quit *****ing.
exekias said:
Oh yes how witty of you to jump to the exulted persona of some one who uttered "port it yourself"
I was simply asking for opinions and insights as to why their is less variety on a device that is meant to be modified, as such a visitor to a town comments on what is different in this locale.
Lets apply your logic to a food critic who comments that the food was missing X, Y and Z, by your logic the restaurant in question should say
"you want X? Cook it yourself"
You have misread my intentions in your rush to be oh so common internet troll
And some bloatware is nice, i particular enjoy MIUI because it is aesthetically pleasing despite the fact I turn most features off.
Thank you for your input, Im sure all the developers on this forum feel safe from evil doers like me with you to back them up
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Epic reply XD
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Yes , I have the same thoughts , Gnex seriously has lack of varities of roms , mostly because I think the HW of gnex is quite different wrt the flagship oem phones , it may be really hard to port it to our beloved gnex
exekias said:
This is a respectful moan....
How come on the Nexus forums all the roms are the same????
Now let me get one thing cleared up first, I am not a developer, I have rudimentary knowledge and know enough to get by and install the mods on this forum. I am not aiming this at any developer in particular and I am very grateful to those who spend their time making these Roms and for that I thank you.
But with other phones Ive owned (Sony, HTC and Samsung) the forums are filled with stock roms + AOSP / AOKP and MIUI, Gaming Roms, Light roms, Various ports of Sense, Xperia or Touchwiz and thats what I like to have on my device.
Here on our forums are 10 shades of the same look, and im just wondering why? how? Just pure coincidence? Is it because a Nexus device is similar to AOSP by default??
I like my nexus and I love the forum are the hard workers making these free roms but I switched to a Nexus phone and tab because they are developers phones, easy to hack etc but it seems that the creativity on this part of XDA is stunted somehow, Phones that are harder to hack like for example the HTC Desire HD have way more variety like the challenge is worth seeing how much stuff can be ported.
This is not a ***** and is not intended to offend those who work hard on this forum but just food for thought, what are your experiences / thoughts?
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Although I haven't noticed such a thing before, I found that your observation is true
Personally, I had my S II and started trying ROMs then could not be satisfied on a ROM choice until I could cook my own ROM Afterwards I switched to GNex and I am following the same way of making my own ROM which I really enjoy a lot more on GNex because I am building from source not just modifying Samsung's ROMs as with S II
So basically I feel that this device is intended more for those who like pure experience, but still in the "Themes and Apps" section there are some ports like S III TouchWiz so probably after reaching a good level of such porting then someone may start implementing it in a ROM thus we have a new ROM style? I hope so
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You should have just looked at the forum before buying the phone. Most people on this forum want to run AOSP. That's just how it works. Quit *****ing.
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Again, NOT, *****ing, you have misread the intention
sergini said:
And btw, personal opinions matter, that's why this community exists and develops itself, cuz we all have an opinion.
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Thank you
crixley said:
I got hardcore flamed for asking the same question...
people around here are touchy as hell lol
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Again thank you, you are right people are touchy as hell about this subject, really cant imagine why
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Epic reply XD
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deepayanneogi said:
Yes , I have the same thoughts , Gnex seriously has lack of varities of roms , mostly because I think the HW of gnex is quite different wrt the flagship oem phones , it may be really hard to port it to our beloved gnex
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If thats true, than thats a bit of a bummer, and Exactly what this thread was aimed at finding out, if our Gnex is difficult to code for despite being easy to unlock then thats a perfectly acceptable excuse for the lack of variety, thank you
ahmadallica said:
Although I haven't noticed such a thing before, I found that your observation is true
Personally, I had my S II and started trying ROMs then could not be satisfied on a ROM choice until I could cook my own ROM Afterwards I switched to GNex and I am following the same way of making my own ROM which I really enjoy a lot more on GNex because I am building from source not just modifying Samsung's ROMs as with S II
So basically I feel that this device is intended more for those who like pure experience, but still in the "Themes and Apps" section there are some ports like S III TouchWiz so probably after reaching a good level of such porting then someone may start implementing it in a ROM thus we have a new ROM style? I hope so
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I spend a lot of time in the themes and apps section for that sole purpose as well not to mention spending countless $$ of new launchers just to change the feel. Its a vicious cycle, we have been given the ability to change android how we want and for most of is, it isnt good enough we want more.
Honestly, I think the "lack of variety" (quoted because some agree and some don't) is due to the hardware. If the Gnex had the same processor as some of the other flagships, porting wouldn't be as difficult, or same camera sensor, etc. When everything is different, that makes porting just a ton harder than it already is. Just my 2¢, but hey, what do I know? But the OP has a point, there's CM, AOKP, PA, CNA, and stock. Everything else seems to be a derivative of that, with CNA literally being a conglomeration of the first two. To each his own.
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Honestly, I think the "lack of variety" (quoted because some agree and some don't) is due to the hardware. If the Gnex had the same processor as some of the other flagships, porting wouldn't be as difficult, or same camera sensor, etc. When everything is different, that makes porting just a ton harder than it already is. Just my 2¢, but hey, what do I know? But the OP has a point, there's CM, AOKP, PA, CNA, and stock. Everything else seems to be a derivative of that, with CNA literally being a conglomeration of the first two. To each his own.
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Well having an open source hardware with all the binaries available seems to be the curse of gnex now, with many of the OEM phone dev's tirelessly working to remake binaries for closed hardware , here we have a completely open device with nothing more then AOSP ! .I'm up for asop as the next person in this forum but how about some innovations that can compete with OEM and eventually be part of android by default ?
As my previous poster says there's AOSP which is same as stock minus the gaaps then there is CM made from AOSP which is the most innovative followed/mirrored closely by aokp and then we have there derivatives with PA being a derivative of CM and CNA being the derivative of both CM and AOKP,
we have a ton of rom's but they are all twins of one another with AOSP being the eldest
Just my thoughts :highfive:
jxr94 said:
Honestly, I think the "lack of variety" (quoted because some agree and some don't) is due to the hardware. If the Gnex had the same processor as some of the other flagships, porting wouldn't be as difficult, or same camera sensor, etc. When everything is different, that makes porting just a ton harder than it already is. Just my 2¢, but hey, what do I know? But the OP has a point, there's CM, AOKP, PA, CNA, and stock. Everything else seems to be a derivative of that, with CNA literally being a conglomeration of the first two. To each his own.
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There's a few others that pop up and down (like BAMF) which are their own flavours and dependent sometimes on exactly which GNex you have. I've occasionally seen links to others that the devs seem to have a personal issue with being mentioned on xda -- and so they're out there but I honestly have no idea where else to look.
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Lets apply your logic to a food critic who comments that the food was missing X, Y and Z, by your logic the restaurant in question should say
"you want X? Cook it yourself"
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A restaurant is a business, which exists to make money... the logic of your "rebuttal" implies that rom developers do what they do for the purpose of making a profit, which isn't the case.
This forum isn't a diner where you can complain that your eggs aren't cooked right... everything that's here (roms/themes/mods/etc...) is here because someone devoted their free time and efforts.
If the lack of sense/touchwiz/whatever roms is such a big deal... maybe you should have done your research before buying it.
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A restaurant is a business, which exists to make money... the logic of your "rebuttal" implies that rom developers do what they do for the purpose of making a profit, which isn't the case.
This forum isn't a diner where you can complain that your eggs aren't cooked right... everything that's here (roms/themes/mods/etc...) is here because someone devoted their free time and efforts.
If the lack of sense/touchwiz/whatever roms is such a big deal... maybe you should have done your research before buying it.
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I'm pretty sure a lot of restaurants, especially ones good enough to be critiqued, start their business for the pure joy of their trade. So your argument is invalid.
Food is supposed to be prepared the way you order it. Much in the same way that you look thru the "menu" of xda (ROM features) before you order (download/install). If something is wrong with it (GPS borked, camera fc etc) anyone will send it back to the chef. So again, your argument is invalid.
AmericanCon said:
I'm pretty sure a lot of restaurants, especially ones good enough to be critiqued, start their business for the pure joy of their trade. So your argument is invalid.
Food is supposed to be prepared the way you order it. Much in the same way that you look thru the "menu" of xda (ROM features) before you order (download/install). If something is wrong with it (GPS borked, camera fc etc) anyone will send it back to the chef. So again, your argument is invalid.
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You don't "order" a ROM. You either use it or don't. Nobody is forcing you to use a ROM, if you don't like it then you make your own.
Nobody cares if arguments are "invalid" in your opinion. You don't have one bit of authority to back it up.
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As the title states, is there a possible way of porting over a similiar Blackberry 6 styled ROM over? Although I am not a fan, the MIUI ROM is extremely popular and has an i*honeish feel to it and in some instances, can even be made to look like one.
I know there are theme's (not very good one's in my opinion) available on the Market, but i'm talking about having a similiar interface as that as what you would see on the new Torch, not just icons.
I'm currently running Myn's warm two point two Z beta and love this site as well as my DINC for it's awesomeness, but being an ex BBerry user, I think this would seriously present a challenge for some DEV out there looking for one and would be greatly appreciated by many on this site being that many have made the jump over the Android from BBerry.
Maybe i'm crazy and maybe this thread gets deleted, but there would certainly be nothing like this if created. Just a thought!
I think that this could certainly attract new users to rooting and ROM flashing, but as a recovering BB addict, I might have taken a lot longer to find all the other great ROM's which leverage all that Android can be...
JohnKuczek said:
I think that this could certainly attract new users to rooting and ROM flashing, but as a recovering BB addict, I might have taken a lot longer to find all the other great ROM's which leverage all that Android can be...
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I'd have to agree. My take on it is that if you really, really want the crackberry interface, then you should own a crackberry. Our Dinc's aren't iPhones, and they're not BB's. Trying not to be sounding rude, but maybe you bought the wrong phone?
I came to Android from BB, and have had them for years. At some point you just have to move on. Kicking and screaming maybe
CCrew said:
I'd have to agree. My take on it is that if you really, really want the crackberry interface, then you should own a crackberry. Our Dinc's aren't iPhones, and they're not BB's. Trying not to be sounding rude, but maybe you bought the wrong phone?
I came to Android from BB, and have had them for years. At some point you just have to move on. Kicking and screaming maybe
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I have MIUI because I for the longest time wanted an iPhone (getting one in Feb.), but theres nothing wrong with wanting. There isn't a phone on VZW running bb 6 currently, and simply wanting a phone that appears to look like bb 6 is what he wants. There isn't a WP7 on VZW and yet people make those themes and you all aren't *****ing at them.
Sorry man, there isn't one right now, but if you found enough theming elements you could probably make a close copy. Good luck.
Sidekick, thanks for backing me up. But in reality fellas I was simply posting the thread to see if there was any interest in pursuing development for such a ROM.
Even though I came from BBerry I dont actually want my awesome DInc to perform or be one for that matter, but you can't deny this wouldnt be a challenge to anyone wanting a change in developing ROM's.
This site is awesome and so is the work our Dev's do day in day out. Having said that, I dont want an iphone nor bberry, just simply presenting a challenge to my fellow colleagues
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AlpineM3 said:
Sidekick, thanks for backing me up. But in reality fellas I was simply posting the thread to see if there was any interest in pursuing development for such a ROM.
Even though I came from BBerry I dont actually want my awesome DInc to perform or be one for that matter, but you can't deny this wouldnt be a challenge to anyone wanting a change in developing ROM's.
This site is awesome and so is the work our Dev's do day in day out. Having said that, I dont want an iphone nor bberry, just simply presenting a challenge to my fellow colleagues
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np man... I hate it when people get elitist.
I don't know why you would want to disgrace your phone with a Blackberry rom. Blackberry OS is horrible. Only good thing I could see is it would actualy be on good hardware for once...
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I don't know why you would want to disgrace your phone with a Blackberry rom. Blackberry OS is horrible. Only good thing I could see is it would actualy be on good hardware for once...
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MIUI is soo popular considering it is an iPhone copy. I don't see why a proper WP7 or BBerry 6 ROM wouldn't be a hit. It's all about trying out new things and what not. Best of all, this would seriously represent such a challenge to any Dev out there and that is the reason we all love XDA right, because they do crazy things possible. I simply was throwing the idea out there to hear people's feedback on it. I love my DInc and wouldn't trade it for anything else, maybe except for the new Thunderbolt!
I noticed quite a lot of sense 3.0 roms have been pumped out recently, the funny thing is none of them are significantly different than the other. majority of these half-baked roms do not even have the basic function of a smartphone (aka connectivity, messaging and such) and they are loaded with broken features. LOL man i'm starting to miss the Fascinate community, majority of the roms we had (kangbang, evil fascinating, etc) are rock solid with 100% functionality as far as roms goes. just saying....
Greetings ben,
I think that you are focusing on how well those roms ran, without remembering how well they started. I came from the Fascinate as well, I ended its call of duty with Evil fascination. None of the roms you mentioned, started without glitches and issues.
The incredible 2 has only had s-off for a couple months. Gingerbread has only been broken for a couple of weeks. The devs are just getting into the meat of the device. It's going to take a bit of time for the developers to turn out their creations, and it's going to take a hell of a lot more patience from the end users.
People seem to forget that these developers don't work for us. The sense of entitlement in these forums is off the chart. Unless you donated to your dev of choice, you haven't had to pay a dime for their continued hard word. Don't let donations fool you into thinking that somehow, the developers owe you anything. Donations are are a sign of respect and appreciation, nothing more.
So until we see a rom developed by you, that comes first day with no glitches, errors or issues, is full of incredible (no pun intended) options and choices, I think that you should maybe show the people working to make your phone experience better, a lot more respect.
I'm not trying to flame you, but your post in a slap in the face to the people making something for you to use freely.
T.M.M.L said:
Greetings ben,
I think that you are focusing on how well those roms ran, without remembering how well they started. I came from the Fascinate as well, I ended its call of duty with Evil fascination. None of the roms you mentioned, started without glitches and issues.
The incredible 2 has only had s-off for a couple months. Gingerbread has only been broken for a couple of weeks. The devs are just getting into the meat of the device. It's going to take a bit of time for the developers to turn out their creations, and it's going to take a hell of a lot more patience from the end users.
People seem to forget that these developers don't work for us. The sense of entitlement in these forums is off the chart. Unless you donated to your dev of choice, you haven't had to pay a dime for their continued hard word. Don't let donations fool you into thinking that somehow, the developers owe you anything. Donations are are a sign of respect and appreciation, nothing more.
So until we see a rom developed by you, that comes first day with no glitches, errors or issues, is full of incredible (no pun intended) options and choices, I think that you should maybe show the people working to make your phone experience better, a lot more respect.
I'm not trying to flame you, but your post in a slap in the face to the people making something for you to use freely.
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Amen to that.
Double Amen.
ben805 said:
I noticed quite a lot of sense 3.0 roms have been pumped out recently, the funny thing is none of them are significantly different than the other. majority of these half-baked roms do not even have the basic function of a smartphone (aka connectivity, messaging and such) and they are loaded with broken features. LOL man i'm starting to miss the Fascinate community, majority of the roms we had (kangbang, evil fascinating, etc) are rock solid with 100% functionality as far as roms goes. just saying....
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I think if your are unhappy with the.state of development or with particular roms it should just probably remain private....developers do this for.free and because.they enjoy doing it
Don't like the.sense roms? Use the 3 fully.functional aosp roms we do have or use rmks debloated stock rom
Also afaik virtous unity is a fully functional sense 3 experience
Can only have 1 ROM on ur phone at a time anyway
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I think if your are unhappy with the.state of development or with particular roms it should just probably remain private....developers do this for.free and because.they enjoy doing it
Don't like the.sense roms? Use the 3 fully.functional aosp roms we do have or use rmks debloated stock rom
Also afaik virtous unity is a fully functional sense 3 experience
Can only have 1 ROM on ur phone at a time anyway
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Not true...
http://androidflip.com/how-to-install-multiple-roms-android-dual-boot-android/
But you are correct in saying that he should just keep his negative comments to himself.
I've tried most of the roms that we have for the Dinc 2 so far, and really, for what little amount of time that the Devs have had to work there magic, I'm amazed at what has been accomplished.
I personally am a fan of Sense, so I have been using Virtuosity Unity for the past week now. I spent a weekend with CM7 and a day with Miui...
I would be happy to use any of these for a daily driver, and do with Unity. I keep Gingersense on my Sd card for a backup/go to rom... I can't say that I would consider any of the roms as bad...
I for one am very thankful for the Devs and what they do to make out phones better. You guys Rock!!
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I noticed quite a lot of sense 3.0 roms have been pumped out recently, the funny thing is none of them are significantly different than the other. majority of these half-baked roms do not even have the basic function of a smartphone (aka connectivity, messaging and such) and they are loaded with broken features. LOL man i'm starting to miss the Fascinate community, majority of the roms we had (kangbang, evil fascinating, etc) are rock solid with 100% functionality as far as roms goes. just saying....
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If you are running into issues, then I would suggest asking for assistance. I'm on a sense 3.0 ROM FULLY functional. You may be missing something.
I dont know how long you had your fascinate, but it took a VERY long time for a fully functional aosp ROM became available to us, not for lack of trying from some amazing devs. Now consider we barely got s-off on gb stock, yet I immediately could load various sense or aosp roms.
Just my opinion.
Virtuous is fully functional. I know nothing wrong with the ROM. Thats kinda why it hasnt been updated in weeks, because it doesnt need it. And like Nitsuj said they do it for free. Do a little more research and reading before you flame the awesome devs we have here.
(We dont want anything happening here like it did with JT. A few of the Fascinate users know what Im talking about on that one.)
I think the issue is more of devs pumping out more than one ROM and not sticking to one build per device.
I understand that this stuff takes time, but I'd really like to see the time (and our donations) go to one ROM, not a bunch of different ports or hacks that have lingering bugs that don't get fixed.
I agree with the OP 100%, maybe a different tone could have been used to express the frustration though.
None the less, I'd love to get together with a dev and talk about what us, the community would like to see. I don't like seeing dirty ports of something to come with features that are either missing or can't be fixed.
TheMavic said:
You guys don't see the point. You are so infactuated with his work because it works right for YOU! You seem to forget about all of the other people out there that are having silly problems that could probably be easily fixable but yet instead of devoting his time to fixing those probs he comes out with a new ROM that has the same problems!! Hahaha. I am not even trying to troll but come on... Ahahaha...
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That is easily fixed. Don't use his roms if you aren't happy with it. See? Fixed. Now do as I said earlier and shut your ****ing mouth.
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micdawg12 said:
That is easily fixed. Don't use his roms if you aren't happy with it. See? Fixed. Now do as I said earlier and shut your ****ing mouth.
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Acting like a douche also doesn't help.
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TheMavic said:
You guys don't see the point. You are so infactuated with his work because it works right for YOU! You seem to forget about all of the other people out there that are having silly problems that could probably be easily fixable but yet instead of devoting his time to fixing those probs he comes out with a new ROM that has the same problems!! Hahaha. I am not even trying to troll but come on... Ahahaha...
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what problems are YOU having that you want fixed?
Have you thought that the majority of US know how to properly utilize the roms given to us, thus we have no problems. Maybe you shouldn't look the gift horse in the mouth, and learn where you may be doing something wrong.
Just saying.
micdawg12 said:
That is easily fixed. Don't use his roms if you aren't happy with it. See? Fixed. Now do as I said earlier and shut your ****ing mouth.
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Lol I love this kid.
And seriously just because it has little problems that some people are getting doesnt mean its a bad ROM, or it isnt functional, or has "major problems" like you said. **** stock RUU's have more problems and not to mention bigger ones than anything here in the development section. Especially Newts stuff. Stock GB deletes main system apps. Pretty big problem. And thats from HTC. People that are paid a lot of money to make these. Again these people are doing it for free. And they do one hell of a job. A rom is never going to be perfect there will always be little bugs that cant really be fixed because NOT EVERY PHONE IS THE SAME. One may have a problem that another may not. So if one doesnt work for you use another. He has many options for ROMs from 2.1, to 2.1/3.0, and full 3.0. Something for everyone that are updated regularly. If your going to talk crap about id say our top dev right now then get off this forum. Nobody here wants that kind of flaming.
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You guys have made my night. Thank you. This is too much fun.
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You should get your X2 back and hit there forums up. Maybe you will appreciate innovation and hard work over there with your 4 Roms and forever stock kernal. Dont come back here.
Oh and also you say were so infatuated with Newts work or whatever. I dont even run his ROMs. Im either on virtuous or MIUI. I test his ROMs for him. And I still know how often he updates them and just how stable they are. Your a fool.
To me this is like being welcomed into a strangers house to use the bathroom, then telling them that it was an awful experience because their toilet paper was not soft enough. Are you entitled to feel that way? Of course. I would just think it is common courtesy to keep those thoughts to yourself.
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To me this is like being welcomed into a strangers house to use the bathroom, then telling them that it was an awful experience because their toilet paper was not soft enough. Are you entitled to feel that way? Of course. I would just think it is common courtesy to keep those thoughts to yourself.
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LOL I love that analogy. But i agree with you.
@Mavic. I understand your frustration. I came from the x10 community. We had the same issues. Newt reminds me of a dev named Trip. He would start a rom, get it near perfect then start another. Ever time though his end results were awesome. Another issue coming from Newts side is he makes roms for other devices. None the less he is an awesome dev who is highly respected. Give the devs some time. GB has only been cracked since around the 15th of this month.
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What does "infactuated" mean anyway? Is that a new word for fact-loving? Is is derogatory?
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Feed the troll! I'm hungry!!
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Hey Nicholas Sack, cool it. Stick to plenty of fish.
"Funny thing about that is, is that people are becoming more and more vulnerable to today's cultures of "how to act" and "what to believe". I think the our generation and the ones prior are the last that know how to be independant. With that being said, I could honestly give a **** less about how people view me. If I agree, I agree. If I disagree, then I'll tell you to gtfo.
Life's a *****, then you die."
Bringing daily trolls since 1999.
Yup, the Atrix 4G, the phone I was previously on, which my mom is currently using, just got a CM9 ICS ROM -_-;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1445052
We need to start moving and trying to get ICS on the Nitro. Even the Rezound also got AOSP ICS port, albeit some things still borked.
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/htc-rezound-gets-pure-aosp-ice-cream-sandwich-port/
Despite all the talk of starting slow with some improvement ROMs and maybe a CM7, I hate to say this, but we need to get either CM9 or ICS, or at least some kind of progress towards it. Every phone out there, old and new, are getting ICS or CM9 infused into them, I don't believe we can't do so with ours. We will spark much more interest in people and members here and maybe even more Devs if we bring ICS to the table. What do you guys/gals think?
I agree.
This is my first Android device and I really enjoy it a lot, thus I hope this phone can get a lively community of mods, roms, etc. At the same time, the SGSII LTE HD will be launching on AT&T soon, and I think that in order for this community to thrive we need ICS before this launch. The SGSII LTE HD is just about equal to the Nitro HD as far as specs are concerned, many who demand 720p and LTE will have the choice between the Samsung and the LG. Due to reputation, Samsung will undoubtedly outsell the Nitro.
I write this not to be **** and try to boss around people who donate their time and receive no more than some meaningless "Thanks" count. I am very appreciative that we have people like Bytecode, Kernelpanic, Cloudraker, and Malnilliom. (sorry if I left some people out, these guys just came to mind)
Lastly, does anyone know where to get guides on doing things like "ROM-cooking" and CM ports. Like I said, this is my first Android phone and I really don't know where to begin looking for this kind of information.
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I agree.
This is my first Android device and I really enjoy it a lot, thus I hope this phone can get a lively community of mods, roms, etc. At the same time, the SGSII LTE HD will be launching on AT&T soon, and I think that in order for this community to thrive we need ICS before this launch. The SGSII LTE HD is just about equal to the Nitro HD as far as specs are concerned, many who demand 720p and LTE will have the choice between the Samsung and the LG. Due to reputation, Samsung will undoubtedly outsell the Nitro.
I write this not to be **** and try to boss around people who donate their time and receive no more than some meaningless "Thanks" count. I am very appreciative that we have people like Bytecode, Kernelpanic, Cloudraker, and Malnilliom. (sorry if I left some people out, these guys just came to mind)
Lastly, does anyone know where to get guides on doing things like "ROM-cooking" and CM ports. Like I said, this is my first Android phone and I really don't know where to begin looking for this kind of information.
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Yeah, I didn't even know about the Skyrocket HD until someone mentioned it here on our thread, and I immediately thought to myself, "Aww F*** we are screwed now". I think it's a **** move by AT&T to release their "flagship" phone under LG and then less than a month later announce the Skyrocket HD. Sorry to say this, had I known they were gonna release the Skyrocket HD, I would've waited for it over the Nitro. But alas, what's done is done, there's no need to cry over spilled milk, the best thing to do is to move on and prove we have the better phone than Samsung does. Anyways, I never was a fan of Samsung Phones since they started making phones. I find they always look..cheap
So with that, again like red solo cup said, thank you to all who have contributed countless amount of time n effort to support us; Let's bring it to the next level!
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Yeah, I didn't even know about the Skyrocket HD until someone mentioned it here on our thread, and I immediately thought to myself, "Aww F*** we are screwed now". I think it's a **** move by AT&T to release their "flagship" phone under LG and then less than a month later announce the Skyrocket HD. Sorry to say this, had I known they were gonna release the Skyrocket HD, I would've waited for it over the Nitro. But alas, what's done is done, there's no need to cry over spilled milk, the best thing to do is to move on and prove we have the better phone than Samsung does. Anyways, I never was a fan of Samsung Phones since they started making phones. I find they always look..cheap
So with that, again like red solo cup said, thank you to all who have contributed countless amount of time n effort to support us; Let's bring it to the next level!
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谢谢大家的努力，我也非常的相信，一定可以让我们的p930更好！
xudejiong said:
谢谢大家的努力，我也非常的相信，一定可以让我们的p930更好！
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"Thank you for your efforts, I am very sure, will be able to make our p930 better!"
Best of luck. LG phones usually have mediocre/poor dev support.
Heh , Dont have a nitro but i just synced CodeAurora ICS Port for MSM8660 (thanks to codeaurora for making life a bit easier for qcom products) , My first Task would be to port the kernel , Test it with CWM (before i brick my friend nitro)
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Best of luck. LG phones usually have mediocre/poor dev support.
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Thank you for the well wishes! The dev/support for this device made that mainpage of XDA! Lots of progress and hard work from several devs !
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Thank you for the well wishes! The dev/support for this device made that mainpage of XDA! Lots of progress and hard work from several devs !
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Does it mean great things when our device is on the main page? Or will it still get overlooked. Not being sarcastic, really curious.
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I'll be here but i can't port anything to any device as i'm not that knowledgable i could bring stock heavily modified roms though.
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Does it mean great things when our device is on the main page? Or will it still get overlooked. Not being sarcastic, really curious.
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I didn't say anything was great, I would not know what great means in terms of development on a phone released 7 weeks ago.
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In that time span a cwm has been developed and 2+ roms with atleast one more announced on the mainpage so someone here at xda seems to think that warrants front page headlines so I am trustin their judgement as well as acknowledging the hard work devs have already accomplished.
It all sounds good to me. I'm new to all of this so I just don't know what to expect.
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I didn't say anything was great, I would not know what great means in terms of development on a phone released 7 weeks ago.
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In that time span a cwm has been developed and 2+ roms with atleast one more announced on the mainpage so someone here at xda seems to think that warrants front page headlines so I am trustin their judgement as well as acknowledging the hard work devs have already accomplished.
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Im very curious what Revolution is trying to bring to the table with his Domination HD Rom. More as the story progresses
WE should not even be thinking about sense/CM9 roms on here for awhile.
Quite frankly, I don't think CM will ever get around to making a ROM for this phone.
CM9 is being ported to the Lag Nitro by Ricardo Cerqueira. Head out to his Google+ to see what he's done.
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CM9 is being ported to the Lag Nitro by Ricardo Cerqueira. Head out to his Google+ to see what he's done.
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Yup, we've known that for the past couple of weeks gerax thanks for spreading the word though. it's keeping the hopes alive for this phone
Do you feel like the development for the nexus is kinda slow?
I had an sgs2 before and Imo there where more roms to choose from and they differed alot. On the nexus it seems like there are 2 bug roms and the other ones are just copies with some tiny tweaks and mods...
Please don't be offended in any way by this post. I respect every Dev and appreciate the work and time they invest.
-sent from my galaxy nexus
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Do you feel like the development for the nexus is kinda slow?
I had an sgs2 before and Imo there where more roms to choose from and they differed alot. On the nexus it seems like there are 2 bug roms and the other ones are just copies with some tiny tweaks and mods...
Please don't be offended in any way by this post. I respect every Dev and appreciate the work and time they invest.
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What are you currently developing?
Been a active flasher from 2010 and I know what you mean that you don't see a lot roms... but the thing is that galaxy nexus a aosp device (not touchwiz, sense, motoblur,etc ) so there is not Mich to changed or rebuild or decompile... most roms for other devices are mostly skins with one special feature... the nexus almost all roms got all the features (I got emoji and love it never thought possible in android lol) and more ... I know what you mean I just to be a flashaholic and got tired of it after a while now I want to just enjoy my device (I'm rooted btw running aokp)
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With all the other phones everyone wants an AOSP rom. So you'll have modded roms based off stock or leaks and AOSP roms. People who own the nexus have it for one reason. AOSP. So all of the roms will be tweaked builds.
You wouldn't step in dog poo with your freshly shined shoes would ya?
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Do you feel like the development for the nexus is kinda slow?
I had an sgs2 before and Imo there where more roms to choose from and they differed alot. On the nexus it seems like there are 2 bug roms and the other ones are just copies with some tiny tweaks and mods...
Please don't be offended in any way by this post. I respect every Dev and appreciate the work and time they invest.
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haha If you take a look at dev activity for other phones cough htc amaze cough you'll be glad that we have atleast a bunch of roms to flash once in a while.
pmcee said:
Do you feel like the development for the nexus is kinda slow?
I had an sgs2 before and Imo there where more roms to choose from and they differed alot. On the nexus it seems like there are 2 bug roms and the other ones are just copies with some tiny tweaks and mods...
Please don't be offended in any way by this post. I respect every Dev and appreciate the work and time they invest.
-sent from my galaxy nexus
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Wait for galaxy nexus drop to 300..they will young dev will enter this forum..
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Isn't the dev section here like insanely crazy and fast with tons of roms compared to most other phones? I'd call the development fast if anything.
Oh yeah I forgot to come back here and post earlier.. After seeing this I went to the VZW dev subforum, I counted 13 ROMs just on the first page. I loled.
Original poster is mistaking zip roms for actual development. There are not a lot of those here.
Don't get me wrong, some zip roms are legit, but most are copy pasta smali hacks and fake scripts.
Also, compiling from source requires your machine not be a netbook Unless using a buildbox service, of course.
OP, bear in mind this is the Galaxy Nexus you're talking about... it launched with ICS. While there are a lot of brilliant devs out there that can make improvements or add customizations, they're merely putting sugar one something that's already sweet.
What kind of ROMS are lacking that you want?
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OP, bear in mind this is the Galaxy Nexus you're talking about... it launched with ICS. While there are a lot of brilliant devs out there that can make improvements or add customizations, they're merely putting sugar one something that's already sweet.
What kind of ROMS are lacking that you want?
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Not to mention, the forum isn't cluttered up with debloat roms, which lowers the 'rom' count.
Being AOSP and being a Nexus its not going to have ROMs made from other devices with newer versions of Android or Sense so that will naturally cut back on the number of ROMs.
I do wish there were more distinguishably different ROMs for us. I particularly miss a solid build of MIUI with its menus and productive features. Also, coming from the Evo4g I was always fond of the polished look of Sense icons and widgets. More options are always better
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Being AOSP and being a Nexus its not going to have ROMs made from other devices with newer versions of Android or Sense so that will naturally cut back on the number of ROMs.
I do wish there were more distinguishably different ROMs for us. I particularly miss a solid build of MIUI with its menus and productive features. Also, coming from the Evo4g I was always fond of the polished look of Sense icons and widgets. More options are always better
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Maybe you should have waited for a htc one evo ....we mostly all get nexus for simplicity..... Easy to hack and most of us hate sense....
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I'll go ahead and respond...summing it up.
The reason development seems "exciting" on other devices...is there is always something to fix. My Droid X, for example. We were STOKED about 2nd-init.
First builds were buggy. Then we got working CAMERAS OMG! Then charging while off...led fixes...camcorder fixes....hdmi...bla bla bla.
Not to mention battery. Battery was probably 1/2 that of a blur rom. But we stuck with it anyway.
It seems slow because a Nexus device is just that. Open source. And it works.
There is no need to **** about with every little thing to make it work.
No builds over the course of two months just to fix a tiny little bug.
Everything is built from source. And the builds generally add new features.
What more could a user want! I think the development is fantastic.
I don't have to creep each thread for hours each day to see if a random dev fixed 'featurex' and when it will be implemented...
I just enjoy my phone for what it is. A working and pain-free device.
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I'll go ahead and respond...summing it up.
The reason development seems "exciting" on other devices...is there is always something to fix. My Droid X, for example. We were STOKED about 2nd-init.
First builds were buggy. Then we got working CAMERAS OMG! Then charging while off...led fixes...camcorder fixes....hdmi...bla bla bla.
Not to mention battery. Battery was probably 1/2 that of a blur rom. But we stuck with it anyway.
It seems slow because a Nexus device is just that. Open source. And it works.
There is no need to **** about with every little thing to make it work.
No builds over the course of two months just to fix a tiny little bug.
Everything is built from source. And the builds generally add new features.
What more could a user want! I think the development is fantastic.
I don't have to creep each thread for hours each day to see if a random dev fixed 'featurex' and when it will be implemented...
I just enjoy my phone for what it is. A working and pain-free device.
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what Jubakuba posted is aboluty correct, i totally agree.
If i think back to the sgs, that was really a pain, hundreds of photoshop roms, alot of leaks with a lot of bugs, then cm7 (congrates to the devs) but it never came to the state were i would prefer it over the stock rom and that was only because the drivers are just not as good as on stock, now on sgs we have ics, again awesome but also again drivers suck (battery, RIL)
With the nexus i can flash any rom in this forum and it will be most of the time stable, i really love this, thanks to google for choosing the right hardware for aosp.
I agree with most of you. And again to make it absolutely clear my intention was not to insult somebody. It's just a fact that you have explained to me.
Yes I enjoy the fact we have a working phone without the buggy nigtlys and Bugfixes and and and..
But still I think development is more slow on nexus and not as innovative as on the sgs2 for example.
I think because of the crappy starting point other handheld users have( Touchwiz, sense etc...) they are more creative in ways of customization.
I apologize for not being a Dev and contributing to the community.
Maybe I was expecting too much. I'm also a total android fan and would never change but I always thought after some time there would be 100s of totally different launchers on gplay but to be honest 99% only differ in small options but look the same. The only launcher that has a different approach is launcher7 Imo.
Yeah yeah maybe I was expecting too much
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Please define what is less innovative about Nexus development.
This just goes to show that people will always find something to complain about no matter how stable an os is.
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This just goes to show that people will always find something to complain about no matter how stable an os is.
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Although our device is one of the most dev supported, we only really have 100 different variations of aosp roms.
Would be nice to see something different
crixley said:
Although our device is one of the most dev supported, we only really have 100 different variations of aosp roms.
Would be nice to see something different
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PA is pretty unique, else I agree
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crixley said:
Although our device is one of the most dev supported, we only really have 100 different variations of aosp roms.
Would be nice to see something different
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would be nice if you built a sense rom from scratch... oh wait.
seriously, there's not a ton of different roms because there isnt sense and desensed versions... versions with and without touchwiz/blur.
its stock android. what more do you want?
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Although our device is one of the most dev supported, we only really have 100 different variations of aosp roms.
Would be nice to see something different
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Not trying to be a **** but you could always develop one yourself.
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do you really have to flash 100 of em? what more do you want that AOKP and AOSP and MIUI isnt delivering? this just makes you sound ungrateful and ignorant. ive been using aokp and miui and im yet to get bored of customization. seriously all the stuff these guys pack into their roms, go get an iphone, im pretty sure they have tons and tons of customization, including their 5th row of icons =___= mods please send this thread into the lands of mordor
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PA is pretty unique, else I agree
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That is what I'm using actually..
Definitely unique and refreshing.
Bring on the onslaught of butthurt though, people read into what I said wayyyy too much.
I'm just saying on other phones I used there were often sense roms, etc..
Doesn't seem like that kind of thing happens too much over here. I plan on sticking with PA anyway, just something I noticed.
The thing is you can strip down sense/touchwiz/motoblur from devices and run AOSP but not (easily) vice versa. Automatically you have 50% less choice. Ironically its the devices with UI Overlay that seem to give you more options somewhat. Its all a trade off.
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When you get your hands on the SG3 the first thing you are going to do is search out an AOSP ROM and flash. Would that then not surprise you that most ROMs are AOSP?
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I owned a skyrocket before this phone and I actually didn't mind touchwiz tbh...
To the comment about "why don't you develop a rom" I find that kind of a cop out.
Not everyone has learned to write code. I spent 8 years in uni and work 60 hours a week as an electrical engineer.
That is the equivalent of me saying "why don't you do that?"
How about a new OS, such as webOS? That's in the works. Sense and touchwiz launchers have been ported I believe.
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How about a new OS, such as webOS? That's in the works. Sense and touchwiz launchers have been ported I believe.
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I'm actually stoked for that...
Some dual boot action would be killer
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I owned a skyrocket before this phone and I actually didn't mind touchwiz tbh...
To the comment about "why don't you develop a rom" I find that kind of a cop out.
Not everyone has learned to write code. I spent 8 years in uni and work 60 hours a week as an electrical engineer.
That is the equivalent of me saying "why don't you do that?"
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Not a cop out at all. I'm a big believer in DIY. I like to know how things work, a position I've evolved to. As I said, wasn't trying to be a **** but if you want it why not build it or learn how.
To your point, it could be quite popular if no one else is doing it.
By the way, electrical engineering is your job. If we pay you for that service you should provide it. Dev'ing is usually a hobby, see where I'm going with this...
I know you weren't trying to be offensive, neither was I.
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Although our device is one of the most dev supported, we only really have 100 different variations of aosp roms.
Would be nice to see something different
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Because these are AOSP supported devices, and its relatively easy to build an AOSP ROM compared to trying to port some closed source stuff from Samsung or HTC...
People buy the Nexus to get away from the other skins. I know its all about choice, but I don't see how you can be surprised that there aren't Sense and TouchWiz ROMs.
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Because these are AOSP supported devices, and its relatively easy to build an AOSP ROM compared to trying to port some closed source stuff from Samsung or HTC...
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This.
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It will be nice if HTC or Samsung make their UIs open and easy to put on any device like google did with their stock UI. But they are too greedy to do it.
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It will be nice if HTC or Samsung make their UIs open and easy to put on any device like google did with their stock UI. But they are too greedy to do it.
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Its not that they're greedy as much as they want to be reimbursed for their investment in their UI. Why would they bother making all of their own customizations if they were open sourced to the other companies they're competing against?
Why would you get a nexus to have sense, touchwiz or blur in the first place? I thought people wanted a nexus for freedom but then you turn around and people are whining to be put back in the cage. That is what iOS and WPx are for.
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Why would you get a nexus to have sense, touchwiz or blur in the first place? I thought people wanted a nexus for freedom but then you turn around and people are whining to be put back in the cage. That is what iOS and WPx are for.
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Sense to me is free, I've had sense and it was great. Slow because of the device but nonetheless was amazing. Touchwiz is actually really neat too. I bought a nexus because its a pinnacle of modern smart devices as of now. Cheap, great specs and its big, comes with aosp.
I didn't buy it for aosp or any variation of ROMs. I can say though what the **** is the point of having 100+ different ROMs if all of them are the same? I'm using PA but most ROMs I've looked at or tried is basically the same recycled stuff over and over. Rarely do they have any type of new features.
Yes variety would be great. If I had a computer I would learn how to make ROMs and I would help the developers trying to port sense. I love sense.
Being stuck on aosp isn't bad, its the amount of the same damn ROMs over and over that technically piss me off. I understand there is themed/customized/slim/stocky ROMs but its easy to include multiple of those. JbSourcery and CNA do a great job of this.
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On other phones with skins there are many aosp roms because of the relative unbloatedness. We already have that stock.
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There are already people trying to port touchwiz, sense and blur, the Vicious team I believe. Progress is slow, but Sense is the furthest along.
The reason why we have I suppose less variety than skinned phones is because those phones come with the respective skins preconfigured to the hardware it's running on. Ours did not, so that means in order for us to have said skins developers pretty much have to write/port drivers for the hardware in our devices that don't match up to HTC etc. devices they are grabbing the rom from. This is very slow business, and lots don't bother since phone turnover rates are ridiculous.
This sounds like a bad thing, but on the plus side AOSP was designed for our exact hardware, so it runs better and is more compatible with stock google releases. For those of us who just flash AOSP on to our respective phones anyway it makes the Nexus line a better choice. If you prefer a specific skin, it's best to just buy a phone that comes with it, and go from there.