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I hate to admit it, but everyone has moved on to the HD2. They have pretty much everything working on the HD2 but there is no developers working on the Rhodium and we have no sound yet.
I really thank all the devs and everyone else involved into making Android run on our Rhodiums, but we gotta face the truth someday. It was fun and I cook WinMo ROMs for the Rhodium, but we gotta realize its dated. The only reason I still have my Rhodium is because it has a keyboard. I'm waiting for a humming bird core HTC phone with QWERTY to make the upgrade. I know some people are gonna flame. Its OK I understand you want to hold on to that Rhodium you have. We ALL do.
PS: Its sad seeing craiglisters selling Android for the HD2. I wish I could kill them all. They don't deserve any money since they did not do any of the work involved nor did they contribute ONE thing. This is why I hate scenes like the smartphone scene... People take credit for what isn't theirs.
yup its dead .. now lets move on.
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yup its dead .. now lets move on.
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LOL
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Keep doing what you do Reefer, I am patiently waiting for the next update!
I'm getting sick of threads on this, I'm sure devs do not appreciate them either..
Why you gotta be so negative? They are doing their best they can so why don't you lock yourself in the closet and come out of there once android has been fully ported to our device
Knappad
I an getting a little woried that we have reached the point of no return. It would be helpfull if the devs did post updates to let use know where we stand. I am not giving up hope just yet. I can't upgrade for quite some time and don't want to pay out the nose for something that could give me just what I am looking for.
Just want so feedback from devs to know what's up?
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I an getting a little woried that we have reached the point of no return. It would be helpfull if the devs did post updates to let use know where we stand. I am not giving up hope just yet. I can't upgrade for quite some time and don't want to pay out the nose for something that could give me just what I am looking for.
Just want so feedback from devs to know what's up?
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Its funny, I bet there were people like you guys years ago for the Kaiser and Vogue... they work 100% now BTW. It doesnt mean people still use their Kaiser with Android for their daily phone (some do of course) but thats not what XDA is about. This used to be a strickly development forum, now its full of "gimme-gimme" users who think the OP of the thread is Customer Service.
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Its funny, I bet there were people like you guys years ago for the Kaiser and Vogue... they work 100% now BTW. It doesnt mean people still use their Kaiser with Android for their daily phone (some do of course) but thats not what XDA is about. This used to be a strickly development forum, now its full of "gimme-gimme" users who think the OP of the thread is Customer Service.
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Keep up the good work. Ignore the leeches. All they do is take. They dont realize that their purpose should be to test and return feedback on the testing. Instead they seem to think that this forum is like you said, full of customer service reps. Its pathetic.
Anyhow, there are tons of people who appreciate all of the developers work and look forward to more updates.
Yea Reefer, let em have it. I wish I could help more to unlock the potential of this phone. It really is a pretty slick device that just wasn't given enough polish or muscle. I researched the purchase of it for months beforehand and don't want to just give it up now.
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Its funny, I bet there were people like you guys years ago for the Kaiser and Vogue... they work 100% now BTW. It doesnt mean people still use their Kaiser with Android for their daily phone (some do of course) but thats not what XDA is about. This used to be a strickly development forum, now its full of "gimme-gimme" users who think the OP of the thread is Customer Service.
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+1 This is essentially a hobby for these guys....
p.s. gimme-gimme
No one thinks this is CS, i flash a rom, install a kernel and it messes something up. There is no one better to ask than the devs that made the rom, right????? BOOOYEAH
OP, there is work being done on the sound issue, however it is slow going. I try following the development, but it's WAY over my head.
Reefer for president !!!
agreed its completely dead i envy all the hd2 ppl running android
You are absolutely correct very dead. You should just get HD2s and give me your TP2s.
or pre-order ur 4g Epic.. thats what i did..
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No one thinks this is CS, i flash a rom, install a kernel and it messes something up. There is no one better to ask than the devs that made the rom, right????? BOOOYEAH
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Wrong. they make a rom and put it on here for everyone. and lets say 50 people download it. and 25 of them have a problem with it. you realy thing that a dev has time to try and fix 25 peoples problems while at the same time make updates to the roms cause your demanding them? thats not how it works. if you install a rom and something goes wrong then you ask the 24 other people if any of them have had the same problem or found a fix. your a tester. if your getting the devs work for free. the least thing you could do is test it and let everyone know how it works.
Dated but not dead.
You may think its dead but for people who still own the TP2, like myself, would like to see this till the end. I still have another year with this phone before I can upgrade and I cant fork out 500+ dollars to buy a new one like the HD2 or Incredible. I'm sure there are others out there in the same situation. So just because you were able to move on with an upgrade doesn't mean its dead.
sound will be working in a matter of time acl is making head way on it over at ppcgeeks.
Well, it's officially been two months since I got my G2. What else is there left for me to do?
- I've already got SIM Unlock, superCID, and radio S-OFF.
- I've already got CM7 Nightly 92 w/ Pershoot's latest Gingerbread kernel.
- I've already got backups of Virtuous, Virtuous G-Lite, and CM7.
- I've already installed Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic Koala) and set up lxde.
- I've already overclocked and underclocked my CPU.
What else is there left for me to do? Can I dual-boot between different mobile operating system platforms (i.e. Symbian^3/Maemo 5, Windows Mobile, HP webOS/Palm OS, etc.)? Can I do ANYTHING else other than flash a ROM/Kernel and overclock? Or is this it?
You have done pretty much everything there is to. The next step is start cooking up your own stuff. I'm guessing you all ready have adb working. You can download apk manager http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=695701 and start doing some themeing of your own or port some themes for your favourite roms.
And if your feeling really adventurous have a go at building your own roms, there is a really easy to use rom kitchen here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=633246
If your computer is up to it you could try building cm from source have a look at the cm wiki http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php?title=Building_from_source
I don't think there is anyway to use any of the other OS's you metioned. But some one is working on a project to dual boot android roms, the concept is awesome it would be cool to dual boot between sense and CM, have a look here for more info http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=847423 this is a WIP though
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You have done pretty much everything there is to. The next step is start cooking up your own stuff. I'm guessing you all ready have adb working. You can download apk manager http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=695701 and start doing some themeing of your own or port some themes for your favourite roms.
And if your feeling really adventurous have a go at building your own roms, there is a really easy to use rom kitchen here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=633246
If your computer is up to it you could try building cm from source have a look at the cm wiki http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php?title=Building_from_source
I don't think there is anyway to use any of the other OS's you metioned. But some one is working on a project to dual boot android roms, the concept is awesome it would be cool to dual boot between sense and CM, have a look here for more info http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=847423 this is a WIP though
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You serious?
This is all I can do?
****!!!!! I should've gone with an HD2.
I'm already cooking up a custom ROM.
punjabiM0D? It's in my signature.
You gotta be kidding me. So you're telling me there's no way I can get Maemo/Symbian^3/webOS on my phone as a dual-boot? Is there at least a ROM of Touchwiz or even MOTOBLUR? I'm sick and tired of HTC Sense.
On the xda app so can't see your Sig. Siulmagic did do a droid x port http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1051229 so you can give motoblur a try.
The HD2 is the xda king everything seems to work on it. Our lowly G2/DZ are not in the same leauge.
It may be possible to port some of the OS's you mentioned but i dont believe anyone is curently work on them. But i would love to be proved wrong.
How is your custom rom coming? If you need anyone to test I'm all ways happy to help. I have a really quiet job which provides me with a lot of spare time and a decent internet connection.
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Windows Phone 7 is a closed platform, so its pretty close to impossible to port it to other platforms, in my understanding. I believe the only reason HD2 can run it, is because MS actually developed a WP7 version for HD2. As far as the old Windows Mobile versions, its obsolete and a pile, and the only reason to run it, is if you need to run some legacy software. Similarly, Symbian is all but dead at this point, as Nokia moves to WP7.
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Windows Phone 7 is a closed platform, so its pretty close to impossible to port it to other platforms, in my understanding. I believe the only reason HD2 can run it, is because MS actually developed a WP7 version for HD2. As far as the old Windows Mobile versions, its obsolete and a pile, and the only reason to run it, is if you need to run some legacy software. Similarly, Symbian is all but dead at this point, as Nokia moves to WP7.
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It sounds make sense to me
I just wonder my old Blackstone can't run android while it has winmo?
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I just wonder my old Blackstone can't run android while it has winmo?
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Not too familiar with the Blackstone, but probably just a matter of developer interest. The Blackstone seems to have pretty similar specs to my old Touch Pro 2 (in terms of CPU and memory), and the TP2 does run Android. Although the TP2 Android project was pretty slow and laggy when I last played with it in December or so (but it looks like a lot more work has been done on the project).
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Windows Phone 7 is a closed platform, so its pretty close to impossible to port it to other platforms, in my understanding. I believe the only reason HD2 can run it, is because MS actually developed a WP7 version for HD2. As far as the old Windows Mobile versions, its obsolete and a pile, and the only reason to run it, is if you need to run some legacy software. Similarly, Symbian is all but dead at this point, as Nokia moves to WP7.
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This is a bunch of ****!
I traded in my iPhone 4 for a G2, and I've already reached the end of the damn world in less than two months? Bull-****!!!!!!!
So not even another Linux-based operating system like Symbian^3, Maemo, or webOS can be installed on my G2?
Its a phone, and its designed to be used with its native OS. Not for loading other OSes willy-nilly, for your enjoyment.
Even if you could load other OSes onto it, so what? Would that radically change your smartphone experience, and what you do with you phone day to day? Not really.
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Its a phone, and its designed to be used with its native OS. Not for loading other OSes willy-nilly, for your enjoyment.
Even if you could load other OSes onto it, so what? Would that radically change your smartphone experience, and what you do with you phone day to day? Not really.
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Oh well pardon me for trying to make the most out of this thing.
Not even a ROM of Touchwiz or even MOTOBLUR?
Well then Mr. Know-it-all, What else is there left for me to do? I'm bored, I'm locked in a two-year agreement with a company that has spotty service, and I've already done nearly everything there is to do in the rooting universe.
Can YOU come up with anything else to do? What would you do if you were in my situation?
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Oh well pardon me for trying to make the most out of this thing.
Not even a ROM of Touchwiz or even MOTOBLUR?
Well then Mr. Know-it-all, What else is there left for me to do? I'm bored, I'm locked in a two-year agreement with a company that has spotty service, and I've already done nearly everything there is to do in the rooting universe.
Can YOU come up with anything else to do? What would you do if you were in my situation?
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Well for starters you could settle down and control your compulsiveness to jack with your phone. Android is probably the best OS out there, no reason to port to an inferior one. You are the first I have heard that has wanted a port to all these other variances. Most others are happy with the Android OS and like the custom ROMs and ways we can customize our devices already.
My advice to you... find a well paying job, squander all your money with buying yourself a brand new phone every month or two without contract. Maybe port all this other crap yourself. You seem to complain a lot, so intead of doing that, make your own ports and ROMs. That oughta make you happy
you could download eclips and the android sdk start making your own apps
you could try and port touchWiz or motoBlur to your phone your self
i beleave there is a port for MeeGo for our phone but is is far to slow to do any thing on
EDIT: and by the way your coming over a a bit of a **** when people are trying to help you
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Oh well pardon me for trying to make the most out of this thing.
Not even a ROM of Touchwiz or even MOTOBLUR?
Well then Mr. Know-it-all, What else is there left for me to do? I'm bored, I'm locked in a two-year agreement with a company that has spotty service, and I've already done nearly everything there is to do in the rooting universe.
Can YOU come up with anything else to do? What would you do if you were in my situation?
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I don't really know what you are expecting, its a phone. how much more could you want it do to? compare it a iPhone, then you would be limited. If your desperate for a Touchwiz or Motoblur Rom, port it your self. The reason why these ROM's haven't been done is because there not rated very highly particularly Motoblur.
You have a great phone with good dev support. appreciate it .
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Well for starters you could settle down and control your compulsiveness to jack with your phone. Android is probably the best OS out there, no reason to port to an inferior one. You are the first I have heard that has wanted a port to all these other variances. Most others are happy with the Android OS and like the custom ROMs and ways we can customize our devices already.
My advice to you... find a well paying job, squander all your money with buying yourself a brand new phone every month or two without contract. Maybe port all this other crap yourself. You seem to complain a lot, so intead of doing that, make your own ports and ROMs. That oughta make you happy
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I'm not THAT impulsive.
I took my meds. (ADHD can do that to a kid)
I just feel trapped inside Google, Android, and HTC.
If Android really is as open-source as Google claims it to be, why do I feel so restricted?
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I don't really know what you are expecting, its a phone. how much more could you want it do to? compare it a iPhone, then you would be limited. If your desperate for a Touchwiz or Motoblur Rom, port it your self. The reason why these ROM's haven't been done is because there not rated very highly particularly Motoblur.
You have a great phone with good dev support. appreciate it .
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I'm grateful for that much.
I just wanna figure out what else there is to do. Ironically, I feel restricted in an open-source operating system.
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I'm grateful for that much.
I just wanna figure out what else there is to do. Ironically, I feel restricted in an open-source operating system.
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dude, what else do you want to do? I guess that's a good question to ask. There are literary tons of stuff to do with your phone. There are numerous ports with this phone you can try. You wanna play dual core games like samuarai vengeance 2 eventhough you don't have dual core? Go right ahead with chainfire3d. You can theme your phone how ever you want with icons, colors, ANYTHING. What other operating system allows you to do this? How would you be better off with ANY other OS? You can easily flash themes and such to make it looks like touchwiz, or motoblur. you can even make it look like honeycomb for goodness sake. Fool around with the UOT kitchen and cook up some fancy looking themes are icons.
I suggest you do a little searching around on xda, OTHER than the G2 thread because there are tons of stuff that apply to alot of phones that aren't just found in that device's forum. Its dumb for you to judge the one OS that actually ALLOWS you to do whatever you want to it.
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You could take a screw driver to your phone.. open it into pieces.. I don't think it would be so restricted anymore.
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Well then Mr. Know-it-all, What else is there left for me to do?
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Giving my opinion does not make me a know-it-all, and nothing I said implies that I think I know more than you. You're going to come in here throwing around foul language and calling people names, and still expect people to give you ideas?
You seem fixated on just loaded different OSes, and just don't want to accept the answers people are giving you. People have already gave tons of suggestions. But you aren't interested in listening.
MotoBlur and TouchWiz are trash, anyway. Not much more than cosmetic changes to the launcher, and other general theming. You can easily mess around with those things yourself, as several others have already suggested.
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Giving my opinion does not make me a know-it-all, and nothing I said implies that I think I know more than you. You're going to come in here throwing around foul language and calling people names, and still expect people to give you ideas?
You seem fixated on just loaded different OSes, and just don't want to accept the answers people are giving you. People have already gave tons of suggestions. But you aren't interested in listening.
MotoBlur and TouchWiz are trash, anyway. Not much more than cosmetic changes to the launcher, and other general theming. You can easily mess around with those things yourself, as several others have already suggested.
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Already working on a port for them -_-
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I was so excited when INC2 was rooted, and we had roms just waiting for us to try out. I really appreciate all the devs who bust ass to root our devices and build roms. I am currently running cyanogen nightlies and have no complaints, but I do have some concerns. I previously had a Droid 2, and really thought it had a solid selection of stable roms, and most were quite unique. When Liberty came out, I was amazed at how well it was thought out & designed. It really was creative and feature rich, whereas most other roms seem happy with just removing the bloatware and overclocking. At this point you are probably saying, "shut the hell up and go make your own rom, or go give the Liberty team a reach-around and have them build a rom for your phone". Good, cause I was thinking the same thing. So let me cut to the chase, Cyanogen is beast, and MIUI is cool if you want your droid to be an iphone. The other roms don't really spark much interest, they have different names, but are practically the same. Is there a lack of interest developing for the INC2? Seems like it, I would know, I am very important, and have a degree from ITT.
The phone hasn't been out long and the majority of people aren't able to root yet. A couple Fascinate devs just picked up DInc2's so once they're able to root there will be more support.
The thing has been out for what, a few months? Give it time.
I'm extremely happy with just MIUI and CM7. Best ROMs out there.
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btw what is your problem with miui..i know this phone better than you, i dont like the iphone, and i use miui..i use cm7 too, but right now miui is the most stable. if you dont like the roms out go make your own. I know you wanted opinion, but dont hate roms people have worked hard on already. if you dont like it thats ok but downing someone elses work is low man..
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btw what is your problem with miui..i know this phone better than you, i dont like the iphone, and i use miui..i use cm7 too, but right now miui is the most stable. if you dont like the roms out go make your own. I know you wanted opinion, but dont hate roms people have worked hard on already. if you dont like it thats ok but downing someone elses work is low man..
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He never downed anyone's work. He was just expressing an opinion. I think the man is entitled to an opinion, don't you?
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He never downed anyone's work. He was just expressing an opinion. I think the man is entitled to an opinion, don't you?
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Look at the poll he posted.
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Here's the deal perm root has not been out long. We have a Lot of options available from the dev community considering.
There are more devs getting DInc2s in their hands as time passes. Some are even devving for it without having one.
By the end of summer and by the end of the year there will be "incredible " choices!
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looks like I was right, some of you were thinking I should go make my own rom. Reminds me of this one time, when I went to purchase a new car. After test driving it I told a few folks on my favorite car forum how I thought the car was lacking in new features. They all told me to go build my own car as well. Well crap, looks like I have some work ahead of me. Look knipp I donate to every rom dev that I have been impressed with. Roms have the potential to generate revenue for these devs, and consumer criticism helps with making a rom that people want to use. I think it is great that you know more about phones than I do, they should give you a medal for that, or a cookie, your choice. I am sorry that you found my poll offensive. For some odd reason I thought most people would see it for it it was, A JOKE. Next time I will use a more sarcastic font, if you think that might help.
Thanks to those of you less sensitive types for informing me about the latest from developments. I can't wait to try em' all out.
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looks like I was right, some of you were thinking I should go make my own rom. Reminds me of this one time, when I went to purchase a new car. After test driving it I told a few folks on my favorite car forum how I thought the car was lacking in new features. They all told me to go build my own car as well. Well crap, looks like I have some work ahead of me. Look knipp I donate to every rom dev that I have been impressed with. Roms have the potential to generate revenue for these devs, and consumer criticism helps with making a rom that people want to use. I think it is great that you know more about phones than I do, they should give you a medal for that, or a cookie, your choice. I am sorry that you found my poll offensive. For some odd reason I thought most people would see it for it it was, A JOKE. Next time I will use a more sarcastic font, if you think that might help.
Thanks to those of you less sensitive types for informing me about the latest from developments. I can't wait to try em' all out.
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I will gladly take the cookie
My main reason for being upset it is I know a few of these devs and they work hard and have rough lives at home..and don't ask for donations. Therefore criticism should be posted in a request not a demand. So as nice as they are, they don't always get the respect they deserve. I got a little too upset, and for that I'm sorry.
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Its all good dude. I know I sounded like an ass. My sarcasm gets the best of me at times. I wasn't trying to bash anyone. Sorry I will dial it down.
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Its all good dude. I know I sounded like an ass. My sarcasm gets the best of me at times. I wasn't trying to bash anyone. Sorry I will dial it down.
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No hard feelings I've been here to long for that
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Your right, people should just chill.
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Its all good dude. I know I sounded like an ass. My sarcasm gets the best of me at times. I wasn't trying to bash anyone. Sorry I will dial it down.
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My one last thing is as you know how hard devs work, there is always drama in the forums. I know I get to serious, but I don't want what has happened in the dinc1 forums to happen here. So I try to defend them when I can. I read to far into it, but at least it was me and not a dev all I do is try and make apps work lol
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Little by little I been noticing the dev's leave from our forums, So what will happen then? Tried myself to start creating a ROM but with no luck.... (laptop acts up most of the time). Anyways, as I was trying to imply what happens when development stops for the Hercules? Guess we will find out soon enough. I don't know if its due to the attitude given to these guys that are doing all this work for free or what? Kinda sad see that 2 developers go. Although their reasoning is personal and private, I can only imagine how they must feel when they do their best to make something for the public and all we do is nag on how bad it is or what can be done to change it.
This ain't to flame anyone or complain. Everyone has their personal likes. That being said why not invest some of that time of criticism and start doing your own. I have not been on this community for long as everyone can tell but I read and read and read. from our forum, the SR forum being that its similar device and its completely different atmosphere between the two. There's so much amicable peoplel there. They're willing to help on another. I just don't see it happening on our forums.Maybe, just maybe we just lost touch of what the community was created for.... to help one another create a better device for our daily use. Not to just constantly put in requests like the Dev is a radio dj . I for one. If its not that then its "this don't work buhuu!!!" It's been noticed here lately that there are sum differences between devices, hardware wise. That alone would drive anyone insane.. Bottom line, implement your personal touch to anything you use in here. That's what will make it your own pride and joy. I totally agree with stating something if it interfered with the functionality of the device. Then again its written very clearly in every single thread of ROM's, do this at your own risk. The developer is by no means responsible for any modifications you do to your device. When you decided to flash whatever it was you did, you took sole responsibility for your actions.
Last but not least, all I can say if it continues to be like this we might to go find new devices to toy with. This weeks its been 2 Devs that left. Next week might be 2 more and before you know it there wont be none. What then? Seriously, what then? With that said I want to say thanks for letting me vent and for creating this site for us (the daily users). Please nobody take any offense in particular for this is just my personal opinion. Doesn't reflect any ones else's but mines. Its a free community so I'm exercising my right to freedom of speech.
this is normal, as new devices emerge, like the SGS3 and Notes 2
Devs are naturally attracted to them
if you want to stay on the same device for a long time, then it's up to ourselves to learn now to compile, tweak, theme, and code the ROMs
a good example are the people over at the old Moto Milestone XT720 phone, that thing sucked when it came out at retail, and it's not very popular, but they took it upon themselves to build ROM from scratch and/or kanged it to make it a great device even after all these years, and the hardware limitation.
very much like the super geeks at the HTC HD2, can you imagine, that ancient relic able to run ICS, and most likely JB in near future
Get a new phone man. I don't plan on staying here much longer. I was tired of this phone 2 weeks after I got it. Its a miracle I'm still on it at all. Besides it has what it already needs. Amazing gingerbread and ICS roms both with great speed and battery life. What else do you want?
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This phone still has potential. Those devs left for personal reasons. I feel confidant that we will see more devs in our forum.
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Get a new phone man. I don't plan on staying here much longer. I was tired of this phone 2 weeks after I got it. Its a miracle I'm still on it at all. Besides it has what it already needs. Amazing gingerbread and ICS roms both with great speed and battery life. What else do you want?
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By no means it was intended for it to be a complaint as I stated. I personally love my S2, my point about the post was due to the current situations of Devs leaving. It seem like there's other reasons being other than personal. And I see it more and more as I read the posts about them getting aggravated about the constant requests. My point being, if all the above including myself feel they can do better why not begin by learning. Rome wasn't built in a day and i totally agree but I don't get how the community here is so much different than in the SR forum. Again it's not a complaint but just a personal opinion.
@ AllGamer, I totally agree wit you sir... alike a lot of us noobs would love to learn the hows and whats of creating custom ROMs but as like I said on my opener I can't due to misbehaving equipment. I've read pages and pages of the software needed and downloaded as best to my knowledge. Even went as far as to allow another community person to go into my laptop and find out where my issue was. The person himself was a Dev and by no means I was told to do so or anything like that. I gave him my permission to try to help me out so I could create from scratch without any luck. What my point is that maybe we're (myself included) have lost the purpose here and have made it to where we feel its owed to us to make things our way. Then again that's my opinion.
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This phone still has potential. Those devs left for personal reasons. I feel confidant that we will see more devs in our forum.
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Not only that. I just find that cm9 especially took a huge downfall once cm10 began to exist. I don't believe any time soon our devices will lack development. It's just there is so much out there to be done yet one questions "where do you even start!?" Personally once they get a stable build running of cm10 a lot of tweaks will begin getting added along with much kernel support being created. It's just a speed bump in the developer world, not a brick wall
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Looking at it from that point of view I can concur. But just hate seeing good devs run out like that. And to the most part being part of same teams. Weird to me again. Maybe I'm just one of those type of individuals that gets negative vibes about certain things. Just like the fact of it being personal reasons? I don't fully think that was it alone but who knows.
I still stand by my statement about the difference in attitudes between communities. Just seem like there's more "want" to help one another. Here everything is more frowned upon. Favorite reply here is " use the search button" but I'm sure posting a link to answer the question takes about the same amount of time. Or rather yet not reply at all if its just to get in a tantrum about doing it. Maybe its just my personal beliefs. I see it posted all the time, the community is to help regardless if lazy dumb or whatever (sorry about the dumb) but its just derogatory to sum. I'm a total noon but once in a while I have questions. Rather get an I don't know that be told search button is active. Thought it was the principle of this site.
Regardless of anything, its just I see no support on the development here. Either way I'll stop my rant and continue my educational reading.
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Honestly, I noticed the same thing in the SR forum almost instantly when I began reading sk8er's CM10 thread. It felt like "old xda" for me... In the future, I'm going to stick to more popular phones/Nexus devices since they generally have much better communities. That's part of the fun to our devices as gadget geeks IMO.
By the way, which devs left?
Remembering Old school Android for a minute...
I know you personally are not complaining OP, so plese nobody take no offense to any of this. I understand what you're saying and I always mod my own Rom to my liking. I had to learn to do it that way because I wouldn't bug any devs either for little personal things I liked. Just my 2 cents, but when I see threads like this, I have to think back to when I first had my Moto Cliq (big mistake there), my first Android phone, and have a bit of nostalgia. We had 2 developers, Travisjames and HandlerExploit. (props to you both if still around) That was it. The Cliq had no software support and updates were always 6+ months after other phones were receiving them, we couldn't overclock it, it was locked up tight, but somehow they provided a good user experience out of that old 1.5 Android Moto Blur. Lol! Made lemonade out of the sour lemons Moto gave us. I helped them by making some themes and learned alot about Android during this time just to give something back to the community. Everyone still begged Handler and Travis for ETA's, *****ed at them when things were going wrong, but considering they were the only 2 devs for the cliq, I always just encouraged their great work and tried to help them work through it, because those were are only two solid options for a good Rom. Whether you liked some things about it or not, they were still better than stock.
My Point in the end? That phone had basically only 2 Roms (in it's early days) for each software release that dropped. No kernels since that wasn't possible yet, and only 3-4 themes to choose from (one made by me after frustration of not finding a style I loved). Anything else had to be tweaked to your liking through trial and error, googling, or asking devs for help. That's when I learned how much hard work goes into some seemingly "Small" fixes or tweaks. Android is much bigger of a thing now, and we have so many different Roms out here to choose from. I feel lucky to be able to choose from: Sammy Roms, MIUI, AOKP, CM7/9 then 10, Paranoid, etc. and then onto mods: kernel choices, Overclocked, undervolted, different boot screens and themes (esp on MIUI/CM's), tweaks, etc. For a phone that dropped with GB I think were doing a pretty damn good job!
I know some devs will eventually leave with new devices arriving, as they have with the last 3 Android phones/2 tablets I've owned, but this community has alot to choose from... I'd personally like to say Thank You, to each and every Dev that has stuck with us, even if only for a little while. You have brough tons of choices, tons of speed, battery life, and beauty to this device. I don't know about anything but themeing myself, so I rely on all you guys to put out something hot. You never disappoint! If someone can't find a Rom/Kernel combo to fit their needs on here, they might never be happy!
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Honestly, I noticed the same thing in the SR forum almost instantly when I began reading sk8er's CM10 thread. It felt like "old xda" for me... In the future, I'm going to stick to more popular phones/Nexus devices since they generally have much better communities. That's part of the fun to our devices as gadget geeks IMO.
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Jamison904 and TheTechNiq left, due to deving took to much time away from there families .
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Jamison904 and TheTechNiq left, due to deving took to much time away from there families .
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It's time to upgrade then
Due to my infancy in time here I cant comment about the past on this site, "but" it still mind boggles me that at some point and time I cant contribute. I don't mind testing by no means. Being that at this point in time and due to equipment faultiness I can't do more than that. But my point is that there is a sort of aura that just don't mingle well with me. One point I seen that has mortified the crap out of me has been just the way people address others around. Like there is some sort of machismo just because he/she knows better or been around longer. Like i said maybe its just me, maybe its just my persona. Most of my posts are either checking in to report any issues with X Rom or so forth, questions or trying to help someone else with any questions that they might have as long as I'm capable of actually helping with.. With that being said, I fully understand that t the dev threads are intended for just that but why not keep them locked up other than to the people that want to test. Per say- as a form of request to be a tester or something before opening .
Just seems that the Devs get aggravated at anyone that comes in asking about small things just cuz there was no reading done what so ever. For good reason tho, its supposed to be for bug related posts, troubleshot and all of that. Maybe implement a form prior to opening the thread of any given ROM that states everything and what not works on it prior to allowing the user just go in and ask frivolous questions ( even understanding that no question is small in importance). But i see that being the main argument in the threads. Thought that was the purpose of the video? These are just my opinions. I'm just a grain of salt in all this sea.
Also would like to THANK everyone that puts forth an effort to make something out of nothing to make the t989 that much better for us.Guess it makes me a bit sensitive to see guys come up wit awesome work and then all the sudden it all falls apart. Either way that's my 2 cents. Thanks also to you guys that took the time to come in here for a read and for the input.
There will be many more devs for the t989. I've read the same s.it more than a year ago on the t959 forum. Their dev section is more "vibrant" than ever.
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Funny I was damn sure thinking the same thing myself. I came from a PPC6700 forum years ago where we had a kitchen and could make our own roms which was great. Then I had an Evo, Evo3D, Epic Touch and now Galaxy 2 and I must admit this forum is lacking with rom choices. I look at the development page and see threads last reply was a week or so ago still on page 1. That would not last an hour in the old Evo forums.
I get it that developers leave because of family and personal things but think about it. If we the end user did not complain and ask for this and that which I honestly feel some of it we could do ourselves, would that not leave them to more pure developing time. Which honestly if things are running right or small things need to be fixed and can be done by others it allows the developer more time to themselves.... Jus Sayin
The helping each other out is wonderful as well but hey the I can't find a kernel or where is this rom located in a forum with maybe half a dozen developers and main threads really never leaving Page 1 and you can't find it... Helping fine spoon feeding is another and the laziness is what causes a lot of bickering. I know just give them the answer but what about you helping yourself... I hope more developers come or at least they perfect AOKP JB since thats my favorite..
Good luck developers and good luck community... rant ova!
I hope the devs don't drop out, I just got the TMobile version. $99 @ target for the s2, or $229. Makes the math kind of obvious.
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Its not going to die no time soon its just the lack of interest that I fear most. Maybe at a later time or so they might get the ball rolling again but at the present it time seem a little weak. Well that's in comparison to our twin site( SR forum). Like I said before and I'll repeat again, its all about benefiting both end parties. Pops used to tell me and seem to fits well here, "one hand can't be cleaned up by itself, takes 2 to get it the way is supposed to be. " That's all my point is meant to be directed to. Not start world war 3 or nothing. Just feel like we are falling behind and its our own fault. If we have enough time to complain or address issues we also have time to help better the problem itself by addressing it and trying to solve it. Better yet, get this general threads or q&a threads just for that... I've personally seen ROMs with 400 or more pages and nothing is clarified. There's all sorts of people completely lost on steps on how to even install (flash) a certain ROM. There's guides yes but we all been to school here, we know that learning is not easy for everyone. Sh00t!!! Everyday is a learning experience. But some of us take longer than others.
Maybe its just my petpeeve to feel this way. But I know Im not alone when I say this, if there's someone that needs help and I can do it, no matter how small it is... I'll be there to do so.and if I can't help at least I'll learn something by helping that person search for the answers.
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I must be really out of it.
Who.. did we lose?
Lost another one today on a joking issue. Jamison , Thetechniq and BB today... and they continue to drop like flies.. who knows...
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dont we still have team chopsticks and TDJ?
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dont we still have team chopsticks and TDJ?
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Yes. Though TDJ is on a break from what I recall.. He certainly deserves it.
This is a respectful moan....
How come on the Nexus forums all the roms are the same????
Now let me get one thing cleared up first, I am not a developer, I have rudimentary knowledge and know enough to get by and install the mods on this forum. I am not aiming this at any developer in particular and I am very grateful to those who spend their time making these Roms and for that I thank you.
But with other phones Ive owned (Sony, HTC and Samsung) the forums are filled with stock roms + AOSP / AOKP and MIUI, Gaming Roms, Light roms, Various ports of Sense, Xperia or Touchwiz and thats what I like to have on my device.
Here on our forums are 10 shades of the same look, and im just wondering why? how? Just pure coincidence? Is it because a Nexus device is similar to AOSP by default??
I like my nexus and I love the forum are the hard workers making these free roms but I switched to a Nexus phone and tab because they are developers phones, easy to hack etc but it seems that the creativity on this part of XDA is stunted somehow, Phones that are harder to hack like for example the HTC Desire HD have way more variety like the challenge is worth seeing how much stuff can be ported.
This is not a ***** and is not intended to offend those who work hard on this forum but just food for thought, what are your experiences / thoughts?
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But with other phones Ive owned (Sony, HTC and Samsung) the forums are filled with stock roms + AOSP / AOKP and MIUI, Gaming Roms, Light roms, Various ports of Sense, Xperia or Touchwiz and thats what I like to have on my device.
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ppl buy the nexus to run AOSP roms
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ppl buy the nexus to run AOSP roms
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Well yes and no....
I bought the Nexus because on most of my phones i ended up running AOSP eventually so this was a logical purchase but i also ran MIUI for such a long time and miss it tbh.
It would be fair to say a segment of Nexus owners buy for the AOSP feel but not all and only, most don't know what they are buying / getting into or some don't see the whole picture (like me)
Cheers
These are personal opinions, aint worth nothing. You want ports? Port it yourself.
Miui? With all xda, and all the devices, you people keep asking for bloated ****, senses and what not. Tsk. Rather use B2G or Flyme.
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These are personal opinions, aint worth nothing. You want ports? Port it yourself.
Miui? With all xda, and all the devices, you people keep asking for bloated ****, senses and what not. Tsk. Rather use B2G or Flyme.
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Oh yes how witty of you to jump to the exulted persona of some one who uttered "port it yourself"
I was simply asking for opinions and insights as to why their is less variety on a device that is meant to be modified, as such a visitor to a town comments on what is different in this locale.
Lets apply your logic to a food critic who comments that the food was missing X, Y and Z, by your logic the restaurant in question should say
"you want X? Cook it yourself"
You have misread my intentions in your rush to be oh so common internet troll
And some bloatware is nice, i particular enjoy MIUI because it is aesthetically pleasing despite the fact I turn most features off.
Thank you for your input, Im sure all the developers on this forum feel safe from evil doers like me with you to back them up
I have the same feeling m8, but maybe this is happening because 4.2.1 has lots of bugs and maybe dev's are waiting for google to clean the mess.
I also came from S2 where we had lots of aokp based roms, really, those were my favourite, here I can barely see aokp roms or cm10 based ones.
I havn't bought my Nexus ONLY to try aosp rom's like other said, that makes no sense.
I'm really thankful to dev's that "invest" their time in this community, which is great, and I'm not moaning, it's just like an observation.
And btw, personal opinions matter, that's why this community exists and develops itself, cuz we all have an opinion.
I got hardcore flamed for asking the same question...
people around here are touchy as hell lol
The nexus s and nexus one have a million Roms from other devices ported already.. I imagine the galaxy nexus will receive the same treatment in time.
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The nexus s and nexus one have a million Roms from other devices ported already.. I imagine the galaxy nexus will receive the same treatment in time.
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That's because the One and the S are nearly identical, hardware wise, to the HTC Desire and Samsung Galaxy S, while the Galaxy Nexus is quite different compared to the S2
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You should have just looked at the forum before buying the phone. Most people on this forum want to run AOSP. That's just how it works. Quit *****ing.
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Oh yes how witty of you to jump to the exulted persona of some one who uttered "port it yourself"
I was simply asking for opinions and insights as to why their is less variety on a device that is meant to be modified, as such a visitor to a town comments on what is different in this locale.
Lets apply your logic to a food critic who comments that the food was missing X, Y and Z, by your logic the restaurant in question should say
"you want X? Cook it yourself"
You have misread my intentions in your rush to be oh so common internet troll
And some bloatware is nice, i particular enjoy MIUI because it is aesthetically pleasing despite the fact I turn most features off.
Thank you for your input, Im sure all the developers on this forum feel safe from evil doers like me with you to back them up
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Epic reply XD
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Yes , I have the same thoughts , Gnex seriously has lack of varities of roms , mostly because I think the HW of gnex is quite different wrt the flagship oem phones , it may be really hard to port it to our beloved gnex
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This is a respectful moan....
How come on the Nexus forums all the roms are the same????
Now let me get one thing cleared up first, I am not a developer, I have rudimentary knowledge and know enough to get by and install the mods on this forum. I am not aiming this at any developer in particular and I am very grateful to those who spend their time making these Roms and for that I thank you.
But with other phones Ive owned (Sony, HTC and Samsung) the forums are filled with stock roms + AOSP / AOKP and MIUI, Gaming Roms, Light roms, Various ports of Sense, Xperia or Touchwiz and thats what I like to have on my device.
Here on our forums are 10 shades of the same look, and im just wondering why? how? Just pure coincidence? Is it because a Nexus device is similar to AOSP by default??
I like my nexus and I love the forum are the hard workers making these free roms but I switched to a Nexus phone and tab because they are developers phones, easy to hack etc but it seems that the creativity on this part of XDA is stunted somehow, Phones that are harder to hack like for example the HTC Desire HD have way more variety like the challenge is worth seeing how much stuff can be ported.
This is not a ***** and is not intended to offend those who work hard on this forum but just food for thought, what are your experiences / thoughts?
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Although I haven't noticed such a thing before, I found that your observation is true
Personally, I had my S II and started trying ROMs then could not be satisfied on a ROM choice until I could cook my own ROM Afterwards I switched to GNex and I am following the same way of making my own ROM which I really enjoy a lot more on GNex because I am building from source not just modifying Samsung's ROMs as with S II
So basically I feel that this device is intended more for those who like pure experience, but still in the "Themes and Apps" section there are some ports like S III TouchWiz so probably after reaching a good level of such porting then someone may start implementing it in a ROM thus we have a new ROM style? I hope so
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You should have just looked at the forum before buying the phone. Most people on this forum want to run AOSP. That's just how it works. Quit *****ing.
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Again, NOT, *****ing, you have misread the intention
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And btw, personal opinions matter, that's why this community exists and develops itself, cuz we all have an opinion.
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Thank you
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I got hardcore flamed for asking the same question...
people around here are touchy as hell lol
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Again thank you, you are right people are touchy as hell about this subject, really cant imagine why
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Epic reply XD
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Yes , I have the same thoughts , Gnex seriously has lack of varities of roms , mostly because I think the HW of gnex is quite different wrt the flagship oem phones , it may be really hard to port it to our beloved gnex
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If thats true, than thats a bit of a bummer, and Exactly what this thread was aimed at finding out, if our Gnex is difficult to code for despite being easy to unlock then thats a perfectly acceptable excuse for the lack of variety, thank you
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Although I haven't noticed such a thing before, I found that your observation is true
Personally, I had my S II and started trying ROMs then could not be satisfied on a ROM choice until I could cook my own ROM Afterwards I switched to GNex and I am following the same way of making my own ROM which I really enjoy a lot more on GNex because I am building from source not just modifying Samsung's ROMs as with S II
So basically I feel that this device is intended more for those who like pure experience, but still in the "Themes and Apps" section there are some ports like S III TouchWiz so probably after reaching a good level of such porting then someone may start implementing it in a ROM thus we have a new ROM style? I hope so
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I spend a lot of time in the themes and apps section for that sole purpose as well not to mention spending countless $$ of new launchers just to change the feel. Its a vicious cycle, we have been given the ability to change android how we want and for most of is, it isnt good enough we want more.
Honestly, I think the "lack of variety" (quoted because some agree and some don't) is due to the hardware. If the Gnex had the same processor as some of the other flagships, porting wouldn't be as difficult, or same camera sensor, etc. When everything is different, that makes porting just a ton harder than it already is. Just my 2¢, but hey, what do I know? But the OP has a point, there's CM, AOKP, PA, CNA, and stock. Everything else seems to be a derivative of that, with CNA literally being a conglomeration of the first two. To each his own.
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Honestly, I think the "lack of variety" (quoted because some agree and some don't) is due to the hardware. If the Gnex had the same processor as some of the other flagships, porting wouldn't be as difficult, or same camera sensor, etc. When everything is different, that makes porting just a ton harder than it already is. Just my 2¢, but hey, what do I know? But the OP has a point, there's CM, AOKP, PA, CNA, and stock. Everything else seems to be a derivative of that, with CNA literally being a conglomeration of the first two. To each his own.
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Well having an open source hardware with all the binaries available seems to be the curse of gnex now, with many of the OEM phone dev's tirelessly working to remake binaries for closed hardware , here we have a completely open device with nothing more then AOSP ! .I'm up for asop as the next person in this forum but how about some innovations that can compete with OEM and eventually be part of android by default ?
As my previous poster says there's AOSP which is same as stock minus the gaaps then there is CM made from AOSP which is the most innovative followed/mirrored closely by aokp and then we have there derivatives with PA being a derivative of CM and CNA being the derivative of both CM and AOKP,
we have a ton of rom's but they are all twins of one another with AOSP being the eldest
Just my thoughts :highfive:
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Honestly, I think the "lack of variety" (quoted because some agree and some don't) is due to the hardware. If the Gnex had the same processor as some of the other flagships, porting wouldn't be as difficult, or same camera sensor, etc. When everything is different, that makes porting just a ton harder than it already is. Just my 2¢, but hey, what do I know? But the OP has a point, there's CM, AOKP, PA, CNA, and stock. Everything else seems to be a derivative of that, with CNA literally being a conglomeration of the first two. To each his own.
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There's a few others that pop up and down (like BAMF) which are their own flavours and dependent sometimes on exactly which GNex you have. I've occasionally seen links to others that the devs seem to have a personal issue with being mentioned on xda -- and so they're out there but I honestly have no idea where else to look.
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Lets apply your logic to a food critic who comments that the food was missing X, Y and Z, by your logic the restaurant in question should say
"you want X? Cook it yourself"
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A restaurant is a business, which exists to make money... the logic of your "rebuttal" implies that rom developers do what they do for the purpose of making a profit, which isn't the case.
This forum isn't a diner where you can complain that your eggs aren't cooked right... everything that's here (roms/themes/mods/etc...) is here because someone devoted their free time and efforts.
If the lack of sense/touchwiz/whatever roms is such a big deal... maybe you should have done your research before buying it.
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A restaurant is a business, which exists to make money... the logic of your "rebuttal" implies that rom developers do what they do for the purpose of making a profit, which isn't the case.
This forum isn't a diner where you can complain that your eggs aren't cooked right... everything that's here (roms/themes/mods/etc...) is here because someone devoted their free time and efforts.
If the lack of sense/touchwiz/whatever roms is such a big deal... maybe you should have done your research before buying it.
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I'm pretty sure a lot of restaurants, especially ones good enough to be critiqued, start their business for the pure joy of their trade. So your argument is invalid.
Food is supposed to be prepared the way you order it. Much in the same way that you look thru the "menu" of xda (ROM features) before you order (download/install). If something is wrong with it (GPS borked, camera fc etc) anyone will send it back to the chef. So again, your argument is invalid.
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I'm pretty sure a lot of restaurants, especially ones good enough to be critiqued, start their business for the pure joy of their trade. So your argument is invalid.
Food is supposed to be prepared the way you order it. Much in the same way that you look thru the "menu" of xda (ROM features) before you order (download/install). If something is wrong with it (GPS borked, camera fc etc) anyone will send it back to the chef. So again, your argument is invalid.
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You don't "order" a ROM. You either use it or don't. Nobody is forcing you to use a ROM, if you don't like it then you make your own.
Nobody cares if arguments are "invalid" in your opinion. You don't have one bit of authority to back it up.