Friends, I was eager to get the One X , and I love flashing new roms etc.. so I wanted to ask, since it has a Tegra 3, and tegra 3 is not as open as Qcomm and omap , how do you think the development would be once htc asus etc. who are using the tegra3 chips stops updating future android versions..will it be developmental friendly for a longer run?
If tegra or htc don't release sources etc. Or updates wouldn't it be an issue later on? Please do advice. thanks!
The reason I ask is that currently on exynos4 by Samsung the support is horrible and development is struggling.. So I wanted to make sure before going ahead. Thank you!
androidindian said:
Friends, I was eager to get the One X , and I love flashing new roms etc.. so I wanted to ask, since it has a Tegra 3, and tegra 3 is not as open as Qcomm and omap , how do you think the development would be once htc asus etc. who are using the tegra3 chips stops updating future android versions..will it be developmental friendly for a longer run?
If tegra or htc don't release sources etc. Or updates wouldn't it be an issue later on? Please do advice. thanks!
The reason I ask is that currently on exynos4 by Samsung the support is horrible and development is struggling.. So I wanted to make sure before going ahead. Thank you!
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just look at the both thread in the development sections...full with roms..and you are good at least for another few years in regards to development support from here..just look at the HD2....anyways support will be here so nothing to worry about
And development will be even better when we finally achieve S-Off. Look at the Desire Z forums, that thing still lives! I'll never forget that forum <3
ArmedandDangerous said:
And development will be even better when we finally achieve S-Off. Look at the Desire Z forums, that thing still lives! I'll never forget that forum <3
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But both the HD2 and Desire Z have qualcomm chips. qualcomm updates its git codeaurora so regularly, with the latest android patches.. hence its getting good development
tegra and exynos are almost closed source, and most of their development depends on kernel sources or blobs.. and once the new update stop the development comes to a halt with half things not working properly..
androidindian said:
But both the HD2 and Desire Z have qualcomm chips. qualcomm updates its git codeaurora so regularly, with the latest android patches.. hence its getting good development
tegra and exynos are almost closed source, and most of their development depends on kernel sources or blobs.. and once the new update stop the development comes to a halt with half things not working properly..
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How's the development with T2? I believe that T3 has been more open cos of it's massive relative success, with it being in so many gadgets that moved many many many units. That might make Nvidia more willing to be open with their code and SoC base.
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How's the development with T2? I believe that T3 has been more open cos of it's massive relative success, with it being in so many gadgets that moved many many many units. That might make Nvidia more willing to be open with their code and SoC base.
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Ahh.. So if t3 is more open that would be amazing
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Hi everybody, I'm considering buying an One X and was wondering what's the state of future updates as far as AOSP/AOKP goes.
I'm asking because I currently have Galaxy S2 which gets all the new Android releases from cm/aokp but has some problems due to the kernel source code not being published for the Samsung made Exynos chip - from what I understand it makes coding very difficult and a lot of rom coders stay away from the device and move to newer and easier phones to code for.
Does One X has a similar problem making it's life span shorter in terms of Android releases or no such problem and I should expect new Anroid releases for the next few years (not official but AOKP)?
Thanks ahead!!
Why is the development for HOX going at such a slow rate compared to other phones??
i know some of you will properly go "you'll get 4.4 fast enough" when i say this..
But yea, 4.4 is out, is even out for Samsung Galaxy S2, which was my phone before the HOX.. I really enjoyed the development there.. I've had my HOX for about 10 months now, and the development rate is SOOOO slow
It's a great device without doubt.. but i keep wanting more because of the slow development
i'm even thinking about buying a new phone only because the development is better
Even for 4.2 and 4.3 many of the other phones were first.. Samsung Galaxy s3 has 4.4 too.. i know that samsungs devices may have sold a bit more than the HOX, but still .. so many people in here and so many roms (which i'm grateful for), but yet, so slow development and it's just the same rom's all over and over with just some minor tweaks which is very hard to tell apart..
TL : DR = I'm just being sad because HOX development is so slow compared to other phones, even older phones..
It's probably because devs moved away to other (newer) phones without TEGRA3 !
Most phones runs on for instance snapdragon, those roms can't "just" be ported to tegra. That's also keeping dev work slow. It's so much work. When you have 2 snapdragon phones it's easier........
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It's probably because devs moved away to other (newer) phones without TEGRA3 !
Most phones runs on for instance snapdragon, those roms can't "just" be ported to tegra. That's also keeping dev work slow. It's so much work. When you have 2 snapdragon phones it's easier........
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Thanks for the answer! ..
I guess that Tegra is kinda bad then?, kinda the thing to move away from when picking a new device? (development wise)..
But yea, i still miss the development though.. and when looking on an older phone (Galaxy S2), running a Cortex-A9
Tegra is not bad...it's just difficult to make the best out of it...
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Tegra is not bad...it's just difficult to make the best out of it...
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Yea okay.. .. good to know for future phone ..
Properly won't go for Tegra next time since i kinda like beeing able to get something new it's pretty much the only reason i ROOT my phone
Well Its about Releasing Driver Source For Cpu and Gpu By BroadCom
The Petition Sign SeemS To Get Completed
Already Reached 9890 .
Required 110 More For Request.
Well Its Like Forcing Broadcom For Releasing Drivers Source.
If We Get Then
If Broadcom releasethe drivers of GPU and CPU for BCM21553 devices, we should be able to run much more things than the one we can on custom OS. This will include CyanogenMod, AOSP, CyanMobile and lots of other differents OS. If they release the Source, we could have Ice Crean Sandwich 4.0.4 smooth on our device. Even we canthink of first Jelly Bean port based on 4.1.2. Port of android 2.3.7 it has released stable release due to we used Alcatel GPU and CPU libs. They were similar to AOSP, so we could use it on our devices for CyanogenMod 7.2, AOSP, and CyanMobile. All of them based on android 2.3.7, because Alcatel uses AOSP 2.3.7 sowe could use it easily.
HopinG That they Will Give Not Test Binaries Like older One
For SigninG Petition Goto Here
-https://www.change.org/petitions/broadcom-release-the-driver-source-of-gpu-and-cpu-for-bcm21553-devices
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they wont release anything if signs reach 10000 or more. change.org sent a lot of e mail already n many other users sent too but they dont care e mails. so no need to sign anymore. btw there is a thread about this topic already.
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Lets See. What They Do. Cant Say That There is No Thread Like This.
yah there ate some old threat on this topic
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there are already threads for this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1869565
and
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2434321
do we really need more?
and on this topic its never going to happen - if they wanted to they would of done it over a year ago
I agree with OP... Just like other lower end devices (lower than GT-5360) which got a stable update from SAMS-- were able to flick this and that easily with their toys...
BUT OP, you should know.... Why is it that they are delaying such things or demanding this and that... ITS actually a smart MOVE.
Good day
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As marcussmith2626 says, we already have a few threads for this.
No need for any more.
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So I'm not a developer or anything, just an enthusiast.
I was wondering something.
ROMs often don't get updated because support of the chipset has been dropped. I'm guessing this is like a driver?
If it's the same hardware, why does it need a new one? What changes in each new version of Android that means it needs a new one?
Also for those that have lost support, some devs still make ROMs. How? Do they make one themselves somehow?
I'm going to look really stupid if this is wrong.
Thanks!
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tomhurst said:
So I'm not a developer or anything, just an enthusiast.
I was wondering something.
ROMs often don't get updated because support of the chipset has been dropped. I'm guessing this is like a driver?
If it's the same hardware, why does it need a new one? What changes in each new version of Android that means it needs a new one?
Also for those that have lost support, some devs still make ROMs. How? Do they make one themselves somehow?
I'm going to look really stupid if this is wrong.
Thanks!
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This is what I understand, correct me if I am wrong.
Think Windows XP & Windows 7.
Can you use the same drivers?? maybe some but not all, since newer implementations are there (graphics stack updates [DX9 vs DX11]) that require newer drivers to work with. Especially with graphics. Even though the kernel is opensource, certain proprietary components are closed source and are always provided via precompiled blobs(Reason: It may expose proprietary IP to the competition) that will work with the version it was compiled for but not newer ones. Even documentation on these blobs are minimal to non existant.
Sadly, these blobs are the main issue and a lot of workarounds are implemented by our great devs to make older blobs work with newer android releases but at a penalty of stability loss and/or performance issues i.e HTC OneX 4.2.2 blobs are being used for 4.3 & 4.4. Sometimes if your lucky then a different phone with the same hardware is updated to a newer version with newer blobs which can be used.
Sometimes such issues escalate so much that opensource devs are driven to reverse engineering(Really difficult!!) drivers and develop opensource variants. One such example is the nouveau project on desktop linux. nouveau is a reverse engineered opensource nvidia driver and at its current state is very stable but sadly its for the desktop. Recently you may have read that nvidia is adding support for their upcoming chipset i.e Tegra K1 by adding their own patches to that driver.
Such a positive step from nvidia was recieved with great praise by the opensource community... even the ultimate Linus Torvalds himself
Article: https://www.xda-developers.com/andr...ger-salute-from-linus-for-doing-things-right/
Eventually lets hope when nvidia has no use for T3 IP that they opensource all components and they provide a way for newer drivers to be built but sadly by that time the T3 would be too old.
It's been months since m9 was launched but still we find very less development here compared to other recently launched phones .. There isn't any official cyanogenmod projects for the device yet,nor there are many custom kernel options. There aren't much activity in general except on sense rom.. Is it because less and less people have bought m9?
I am sure we would love to see more ROM and kernel options.
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It's been months since m9 was launched but still we find very less development here compared to other recently launched phones .. There isn't any official cyanogenmod projects for the device yet,nor there are many custom kernel options. There aren't much activity in general except on sense rom.. Is it because less and less people have bought m9?
I am sure we would love to see more ROM and kernel options.
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I noticed this however going from S4 to M9 is a huge difference. 2 years there abouts and samsung and a few other brands have a larger fan base who will ALWAYS buy those phones and so development is much more frequent.
Give it time and im sure things will pick up, especially once the CM team crack it and deliver what will undoubtedly be an awesome rom. That will pave the way for more AOSP / CM style roms which im very much looking forward to
have faith mate.
You mean compared to the S6? If you think this place is slow, go check those forums out. Considering how many more of those have sold, compared to the M9, S6 development is dead as a doornail.
From what I've seen, development for anything not Nexus has slowed quite a bit. Not as many people are modding their phones, I think because Android and the manufacturer skins have picked up a lot of the mods people used to want to root for.
That being said, things should pick up once CM is official.
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You mean compared to the S6? If you think this place is slow, go check those forums out. Considering how many more of those have sold, compared to the M9, S6 development is dead as a doornail.
From what I've seen, development for anything not Nexus has slowed quite a bit. Not as many people are modding their phones, I think because Android and the manufacturer skins have picked up a lot of the mods people used to want to root for.
That being said, things should pick up once CM is official.
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The development is slow because of the exynos chipset. IF it was snapdragon, the story wouldn't be the same.
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Roobwz said:
The development is slow because of the exynos chipset. IF it was snapdragon, the story wouldn't be the same.
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The development here is slow because of the 64 bit processor. If it was 32 bit, the story wouldn't be the same.
Most mods have become baked into roms. Hell we can theme easily now. What's the real point of having 70 copies of the same thing.
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what are you talking about there is atleast 10 different ROMs and CM12.1 almost fully working