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Quick question..

I'm new 2 the rooting and the Android itself.. I got the 2.2 on my EVO like most ppl have via update, I'm kinda skeptical of rooting it still.. I guess my question is, is it worth rooting it and what changes on the device itself?
Any information would and will be extremely appreciated..
Thanx in advance...
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Good day to you.
First off. welcome. second, as its your FIRST post I hope you wont get flamed too hard because there are many many threads that cover the pros/cons of rooting.
I suggest next time you have a question, take a minute to use the search function (and post in the right forum! questions go in Q&A).
A few quick pros of rooting.
Free wireless tether (sharing your phones internet connection with a laptop or other wifi enabled device)
The ability to flash custom ROMs, these are the operating systems of the phone, they're all built off of (for the most part) stock htc/sprint images, but there are plenty and many options, find one that suits your needs and try it out.
Custom kernels, they are the set of drivers and the "brain" of your phone, want it overclocked? get a custom kernel, want it undervolted (Save battery) get a custom kernel. many options to choose from
Custom Boot screens.
Root only applications, titanium backup (backs up stuff, i dont use it so i cant elaborate), shootme (screenshot program) and others im sure.
Hope this clears up some stuff, welcome, use the search (really im just trying to help ya here) and have fun!

Round of applause for nenn. While I agree with your first few sentences, there aren't many "nice guys" on this site and especially on the Evo boards. People tend to forget that this phone is relatively new and has attracted many new people to the world of Android (like myself) who know nothing about anything.
OP: A few things you can do with root that nenn did not mention:
1) You can read/write from your SD card.
2) You can remove all the garbage that your phone came loaded with from Sprint and HTC (like Sprint Nascar and Peep).
3) With Titanium back-up, it allows you to transfer all user apps to the SD card keeping your phones internal memory clean, you can back up and restore all apps and system data, and you can use it to uninstall apps you don't want as mentioned in point #2.
4) Custom kernels also remove the 30 fps cap on our phones (I get 52 fps average with my set up).
5) You can use other root-only programs like ROM Manager which lets you flash files onto your phone easily via a custom recovery. Also, you can back up several ROM's and switch from one to the other, or go back to a previous working ROM if you flash something on your phone that doesn't sit well with it.
If everything that we have mentioned means nothing to you, then just enjoy your phone as it is. It is a great device and you can get plenty of use out if without rooting it.

*bow* thanks for the kind words rudegraw, its not a day from hell at work so im in a chipper mood for the most part, yesterday, i woulda ripped this yougin to shreads so i posted very little, lol.
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1) You can read/write from your SD card.
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eh? what do you mean? thats worded very oddly.

Thanx to the both of ya.. I do luv the phone the way it is and specially since yesterday I turned on the 4G and it actually came on, you can pretty much assume my excitement lol.. But I'll read up on the pros/cons of rooting before I make any decision as to root my Evo..
Thanx again..
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nenn said:
*bow* thanks for the kind words rudegraw, its not a day from hell at work so im in a chipper mood for the most part, yesterday, i woulda ripped this yougin to shreads so i posted very little, lol.
eh? what do you mean? thats worded very oddly.
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I'd rather not get into details about this on the thread. I worded it this way on purpose. PM me and I'd be more than happy to explain what I meant.

Rooting 2.2
I am rooting for the first time and I'm stuck now. I am in the section where you enter the commands into the cmd command box.
I just entered the ./rageagainstthecage-arm5.bin
and it says that it not found but when I entered it earlier it worke just fine, can anyone help me plz

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Round of applause for nenn. While I agree with your first few sentences, there aren't many "nice guys" on this site and especially on the Evo boards. People tend to forget that this phone is relatively new and has attracted many new people to the world of Android (like myself) who know nothing about anything.
OP: A few things you can do with root that nenn did not mention:
1) You can read/write from your SD card.
2) You can remove all the garbage that your phone came loaded with from Sprint and HTC (like Sprint Nascar and Peep).
3) With Titanium back-up, it allows you to transfer all user apps to the SD card keeping your phones internal memory clean, you can back up and restore all apps and system data, and you can use it to uninstall apps you don't want as mentioned in point #2.
4) Custom kernels also remove the 30 fps cap on our phones (I get 52 fps average with my set up).
5) You can use other root-only programs like ROM Manager which lets you flash files onto your phone easily via a custom recovery. Also, you can back up several ROM's and switch from one to the other, or go back to a previous working ROM if you flash something on your phone that doesn't sit well with it.
If everything that we have mentioned means nothing to you, then just enjoy your phone as it is. It is a great device and you can get plenty of use out if without rooting it.
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Recording at 720p, is it any better with 52 fps?

[Q] Have question after root

I finally got the nerve up to root. Wow simple thanks to all the advice here at XDA.
Now, the question, and yes some what of a noob , but hey, I rooted, with no questions. LOL
I was under the impression that the Sprint bloatware, when removed with Titanium would free up storage (internal).
I have deleted , football, kindle and a couple others and have not seen any change.
And also what is safe to remove. I followed a link and it showed about 8 progs.
Thanks to all, I am a real good computer hacker. going back to the 90's, but for some reason get nervous doing the phones.
BTW love my EVO
had g-1 and nexus 1

It should show for internal however the apps you are removing might not be that big.
You can remove sprint TV, voicemail, football, nascar, (sense), radio, sprint app updater, Nova, Amazon mp3, stocks,all corresponding Widgets, basically everything sprint puts on the phone. One thing to remember is you need peep if you sync Facebook otherwise you will constant sync.

Thanks for the reply. How about you tube?

You could also flash a different ROM. I know from reading that there are close to stock ROMs that have all of the bloatware removed & even in some cases, Sense, but they're still Sense-based ROMs. I stuck with stock for a while, but finally switched to Cyanogenmod & was amazed at the amount of free ram compared to stock. I'm not sure about internal storage, but I don't move any apps to the SD (even though I could move all of them, minus widgets, if I wanted) and I have a ton of apps downloaded with ~250mb left in internal storage. I'm not sure how this compares to you, or if you'd want to change ROMs, but I suggest making that jump.
Edit: YouTube is safe to remove. You should, however, freeze them instead of uninstalling if you want to stay on stock & potentially accept an ota update in the future. If you've already removed some, then go ahead and remove them all.

Thanks, I plan I flashing in the near future. But damn, there are so many to choose from. It does seem CM is popular. Right now (one step at a time) just getting rid of bloat and duplicates.

wd20293 said:
Thanks, I plan I flashing in the near future. But damn, there are so many to choose from. It does seem CM is popular. Right now (one step at a time) just getting rid of bloat and duplicates.
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I guess what I'm saying is, if you plan to flash anyway (at least in the near future), removing bloat is redundant. Custom ROMs don't have bloat installed anyway. I know it sounds like a daunting task, but with the right amount of general technological knowledge/experience you'll do just fine. I was nervous too but after my first flash, I switched recoveries (I prefer Amon Ra over CWM), flashed a custom font and a theme within a week.
Just be sure to make a backup, and if you don't like it or something goes wrong you can just switch back & you'll be right where you left off.
But if you're not ready or you don't want to, that's perfectly fine. If you need someone to guide you through it & help you with the step by step, feel free to pm me when you're ready. There are plenty of other members here that will do the same.

wd20293 said:
Thanks, I plan I flashing in the near future. But damn, there are so many to choose from. It does seem CM is popular. Right now (one step at a time) just getting rid of bloat and duplicates.
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I was once a newbie, just to let you know out of all the roms. CM has been the best, super fast great battery life. and the best of all now it has 4G. Before it didnt however CM7 RC2 now supports it.
Flashing a new rom is super easy just reboot the phone into recovery, (holding down the power button and vol down button on boot) make sure you have your rom zip file on the SD and flash it. DONE reboot and enjoy.
You can backup your text messages but i dont because its just more stuff to reload on the phone
In other words JUST DO IT!! I've never looked back since i started to flash my phone. and i hope you dont either.

Ya like the guy said above , freeze the apps dont delete them. And as far as a rom goes i would recommend the Destroyed Gingerbread Rom.. it owns!!!

barnacles10 said:
It should show for internal however the apps you are removing might not be that big.
You can remove sprint TV, voicemail, football, nascar, (sense), radio, sprint app updater, Nova, Amazon mp3, stocks,all corresponding Widgets, basically everything sprint puts on the phone. One thing to remember is you need peep if you sync Facebook otherwise you will constant sync.
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This is news to me. Can you or someone elaborate on this? I removed Peep a long time ago and I haven't noticed any issues with Facebook.

Finally got the nerve, CM is on. Gotta go play, get back later with my experience of it.
Thanks for the encouragement to all, so simple. Ha ha

It doesn't matter quite as much now that you're on CM, but just FYI, deleting apps that came with the stock ROM (or any rom for that matter) usually doesn't give you more space to install other apps -- at least not directly. Your phone has different partitions. Apps you install go to /data. Apps that come with the rom are in /system. Deleting from /system doesn't give you any more in /data.
You will save a little space on /data because it won't store the dalvik cache of that app (at least it will if you remove it. I'm not sure if freezing keeps it from caching the dex).

Why not just uninstall bloatware?

Everyone seems to always suggest downloading titanium backup and freezing everything instead of just deleting it. Why? We have plenty of evidence of the apps that it is safe to get rid of and the ones that ya better not. So why does it seem that people are worried about deleting them. I am not a NASCAR fan and I don't see myself becoming one so why not just get rid of the app completely? Am I missing something?
Safe from what I have been told and read to delete are :
Blockbuster
Kindle
Amazon mp3
NOVA
Sprint TV
NASCAR
Sprint Football
Sprint Hotspot
Sprint Navigation

Personal preference, if you don't want them, delete away.

I would say from your list that you are right as long as you have a nandroid backup to restore. I have had my Evo start acting weird after I uninstalled some bloat ware so I restored the nandroid and just froze the apps instead. After CM7 final came out I dropped the stock rom, still have a backup, installed the Cyan goodness and have no plans of going back other than install new radio updates. The main benefit to uninstalling them is to free up space. The choice is yours.

Why waste time deleting them? They are installed to /system, so freeing that up doesn't free up the /data partition.

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Why waste time deleting them? They are installed to /system, so freeing that up doesn't free up the /data partition.
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I'm confused , elaborate for me please.

Everyone is not experienced at flashing and tinkering with their devices. Think about it. A lot of people do things to their devices and when they've messed something up, they post here looking for help without stating what they have already done. Telling people to freeze the stuff they don't want is just a safeguard. Those of us who are a bit more experienced will go beyond TB. I hope that made sense.
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Everyone is not experienced at flashing and tinkering with their devices. Think about it. A lot of people do things to their devices and when they've messed something up, they post here looking for help without stating what they have already done. Telling people to freeze the stuff they don't want is just a safeguard. Those of us who are a bit more experienced will go beyond TB. I hope that made sense.
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That was all I was trying to get across was that if you are new to rooting and deleting/changing system files then you are better off just freezing the apps. It is normally safe but most people try to change something before they realize what they are doing, and don't have or know of a way to fix it. If a person wants to uninstall an app by all means go ahead that is one of the main reason for rooting your phone. It also makes it a lot easier to help them fix it if they know what they did.

Smurph82 said:
That was all I was trying to get across was that if you are new to rooting and deleting/changing system files then you are better off just freezing the apps. It is normally safe but most people try to change something before they realize what they are doing, and don't have or know of a way to fix it. If a person wants to uninstall an app by all means go ahead that is one of the main reason for rooting your phone. It also makes it a lot easier to help them fix it if they know what they did.
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I understand. Thank you for your reply and enjoy the rest of your day...
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I've also heard people use the reasoning that if you uninstall system apps you cannot accept an ota, so they freeze them. This way if they want to update, they can just defrost and accept.
I don't understand wanting to accept an OTA, but I also don't understand staying on the stock rom when there are so many great devs making awesome roms.
But people like what they like, I guess you can't knock that.

Hey there are 3 different people from NC in this thread.
I've also heard people use the reasoning that if you uninstall system apps you cannot accept an ota, so they freeze them. This way if they want to update, they can just defrost and accept.
I don't understand wanting to accept an OTA, but I also don't understand staying on the stock rom when there are so many great devs making awesome roms.
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I thought about staying with the stock rom at first then I saw what I am missing. I love running CM7 and I have tried others. The main thing for me is that I'm now running Android 2.3.3 which has several features that I wanted and got tired of waiting on Sprint. Don't get me wrong I will stay with Sprint and they have one of the better update records but when Android 2.4 is coming fast and I am stuck on 2.2 with 2.3.3 what seems to be everywhere else. I can't stand that. I only hope that the HTC Evo 3D will get rooted because I plan on getting it as soon as it comes out. I was the first person at the Greensboro Besy Buy that got the Evo 4g and I will do it again.

Smurph82 said:
Hey there are 3 different people from NC in this thread.
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I'm actually from Orlando, Florida and I moved to NC a year ago, however, I will be moving back to Orlando in about a week...LOL...I was getting the "evil eye" for being bold enough to strut around wearing a University of Miami shirt in the land of Hoyas, Tar Heels, Blue Devils and Wolfpacks....
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At least you are still in the ACC.

LOL...That's true..
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haha i came from the droid x now im on cm 7, have you checked out the cm7 update to use a bluetooth mouse and have a mouse pointer on the screen with hdmi miorroring? its awesome. i have a blutooth mouse and keyboard hooked up to my evo and the phone is connected to the tv.. i actually use this now instead of my comp

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haha i came from the droid x now im on cm 7, have you checked out the cm7 update to use a bluetooth mouse and have a mouse pointer on the screen with hdmi miorroring? its awesome. i have a blutooth mouse and keyboard hooked up to my evo and the phone is connected to the tv.. i actually use this now instead of my comp
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WTF??????????

[Q] Multiple issues after transferring with Titanium Backup

Just to let people know, I'm a relative noob to Android in general and particularly to this site, so have some patience.
My wife's Samsung Galaxy S 4g's screen broke, so she got the T989 as a replacement. After doing some research, it seems that Titanium Backup was the recommended way to move data over. So, I needed to educate myself on how to do that. The original phone was easy and I did the backup. The S II was less easy and after spending way too much time on the i9100 forum, I found out I was in the wrong place.
So, anyways, got her phone jailbroken and ran TB on it to restore. Unfortunately, it seems to be the beginning of my problems. Phone app didn't work. Cleared data there, which she lost her contacts. TWLauncher throws errors. Clear data there as well. Messaging hasn't worked either, and it seems to be the solution is to wipe the whole thing. I also can't seem to browse the file system via USB.
What am I doing wrong here? All I wanted to do was to move everything over from the old phone to the new one, but it seems I bought trouble.

You are reporting a back up from a completely different phone. Restoring data will often cause things to go funny. It's usually recommended to simply restore the app and nothing more. I would recommend just resetting the phone back to stock, full wipe and don't restore anything. See how it functions initially, then once you think things are going well, just start to restore apps.
:beer: cheers
sent from my T989 full of CM awesomeness and a touch of Venom from the Darkside!!

also, be sure to not restore system apps until you have become a butt more familiar with how everything works. (especially when coming from another device)
~Samsung Galaxy SIII (SPH-L710) - Blazer ROM v1.6 - TWRP~

If i wanted to back up a game, i selected back up. I changed the back up location to my external sd card and also used google drive to store the info too. If i install twrp and flash a custom rom, will i be able to install the app and continue playing my game at the same spot i saved it at? I tried searching for the answer but have seen mixed answers via google dancing around my specific question. Thanks everyone for your time.
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knarfies said:
If i wanted to back up a game, i selected back up. I changed the back up location to my external sd card and also used google drive to store the info too. If i install twrp and flash a custom rom, will i be able to install the app and continue playing my game at the same spot i saved it at? I tried searching for the answer but have seen mixed answers via google dancing around my specific question. Thanks everyone for your time.
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It's going to depend on the app really. Some apps don't play well with some roms. I've backed up games and restored to current roms and been fine, while others didn't restore correctly. Trial and error my friend, trial and error.
sent from my T989 full of CM awesomeness and a touch of Venom from the Darkside!!

Thanks man, really dont wanna restart final fantasy iii all over again lol
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[Q] Iso image backup, is nandroid only option?

Hey guys I have two questions.
1. I would like to do a backup of my phone the same way I would do an image of my PC drive using an image software like Norton ghost or Acronis true image. Is this possible on android? I've been reading about Nandroid backup and I think this does what I want but the only way to do this with Nandroid is to root and install a new recovery correct? Am I not able to hook my phone up using the usb cable and use an app on the PC to clone the internal SD and create an image of it? I want to create an image of my phone with all its settings, contacts, txts, etc so i can have something to go back to if needed. I would like to do this before I root if possible.
2. On the Samsung Captivate section we have a wiki that has all the info you need to learn how to do certain things, mods, root, etc, etc. I found something similar for our Gnote2 here started by Mjwhirly http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1987541 but I could not find a section of removing bloatware. I saw the link that was created by mrRobinson and he mentions using De-Bloater app that will do it for you with oneclick but is there a list of all the safe to remove apps that I can go through so I can decided which apps I want to keep and which I want to remove?
thanks in advance

Yeah you got it right - a nandroid is what you want. I'm a big time user of ghost - it's the same thing and works great. Root and install the TWRP recovery. Then first of all make a nandroid of your old system. If you want to go back to it all you'll have to do is unroot, change the recovery back, and use triangle away to reset the flash counter and you'll be where you are now - bone stock. You can't make a nandroid image backup until you root and change the recovery though.
On the second question I'd just recommend you install a rom. I use Cleanrom. It is already debloated for you (though you have still some choices), as well as optimized in ways that will amaze you (does 2+ days on battery sound good?). If you look at the various roms available, you'll see more people are using Cleanrom than any other - that should tell you something! Jedi is also great. Many of the AOSP type roms seem to have some minor issues, but the devs are trying to do a much harder thing than just debloat and optimize a rom that was originally released for your device. Whichever one you decide to try, best thing to do is just read the whole rom thread in advance if you have time. You'll read all the dumb questions that others have already asked as well as learn all the ins and outs of the whole process. If you want to then try a different rom, make a nandroid and you can always come back to your previous working system. Hope this helps and have fun!

hey thanks a lot Dumbo53
I guess i'll just have to go ahead and root and do a nandroid backup. I have actually owned a captivate since it first came out which was my first android phone and i have never installed a custom rom. I always did everything manually like debloat and stuff. Security wise how safe are these roms, I see a lot of people just running around and flashing any rom that gets posted. What I'm trying to get at is do we know what's inside of these roms or do we just rely on the honor system and assume that they're safe, like can I trust these roms if I do my banking on them, which i am scared to do ever since I saw a message from the keyboard app on my captivate prompt about capturing my keystrokes or something, basically like a key logger, so I never did try to log onto any sites involving my banking or work email etc. but now that I have my note2 I want to be able to do all that stuff, like emails, banking, accessing my site for maintenance etc etc just for the instant access part of it instead of booting up my laptop or desktop... But I guess I can say the same thing about the stock rom too.

Your banking info is much more likely to be stolen off of a corporate website that got hacked. Whenever you use a credit card to buy something from a company or store, your number passes through some unknown employee's hands and gets stored in another database. Since millions of these numbers are stored together under sometimes weak security, these sites make much more tempting targets than your phone for thieves. The numbers are then sold off in blocks of thousands on the internet. Does that worry you enough to stop using a credit card?
However it is true that there could be a risk in installing a rom, or indeed any software on your phone. If it were discovered that a dev was putting malware in their mods or roms, I'm sure it would create quite a stir! I've never heard of this happening, though I have heard of shady stuff being done with mobile apps that you buy. All I can suggest you do is just read a lot more so that it is easier to distinguish between real threats and imaginary ones, and to learn how to protect yourself. In any case financial institutions have to protect their customers from a lot of these types of fraud, or they'd have trouble staying in business.
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Sounds good. I'm just getting the chance to root and install TWRP been super busy with work so I haven't had the chance to do it. Now installing a recovery does not wipe data right? also on a different note I use both the play store and amazon app store. I have purchased a bunch of apps from amazon and most of them worked but there are a few that say my phone is not compatible. Like the need for speed games and asphalt games will not install from amazon. I haven't tried the same apps from play store but maybe I should. Oh one big one is autodesks sketchbook pro. I don't even see that option on the play store when searching using my phone but its there when i search on the pc. I purchased sketchbook mobile and that works but i needed the features that pro has so i purchased that through amazon again thinking that it would work. I thought this phone was basically a tablet, shouldn't these tablet apps work on our phones?