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An experiment...

So we've got root access. Awesome. Everyone has been looking forward to installing apps to their SD card as well as other neat tricks.
Well, I haven't.
I hate to be the buzz killer but there is a fundamental flaw with the way apps are installed and uninstalled that means even moving them to a spacious SD card is not solving the problem.
Before I go rooting the phone and hacking as a way to eliminate some of the more annoying problems with Android, we need to first distinguish between bugs, technical limitations and poor implementation. Not allowing installs to the SD card out of the box is a technical limitation...Apps2sd creates a Linux partition on your SD but it's not ideal.
But that's neither here nor there. I'm not here to discuss the reletive merits of rooting or using apps2sd. What I want is the underlying code to work properly before I go hacking. It doesn't matter if we only have 100mb of space or 2GB for apps. If I install a 2mb app and them remove it I want the WHOLE 2mb back.
This morning news of the pre release alpha of Fennec (mobile Firefox) was announced. I attempted to install it but there was only 25mb of space on my phone. Apparently this is a BIG install and needed about 39mb. Anyway long story short, it didn't work. No matter how much space I cleared (up to 40.89mb at one point) it still told me I didn't have enough space.
So now I have a phone with 40mb of space and I had to clear out some unused apps to get there...I also cleared out my IM app, Nimbuzz, which I DO use. So I figure I'd install it again...but I'm thinking, it was big! Over 4mb installed. I figure I'll look for a smaller lighter app. I try Meego. Nice, small, but no Skype chat. So I uninstall and try Fring. Nice, has Skype...but no Facebook. The only one with the features I want is Nimbuzz. So I uninstall Fring. Two apps installed. Two apps removed. I look at my space. 35mb.
5mb has seemingly vanished into nothing!!! Meego was only about 500kb. Fring about 1.5mb. Where did all that space go?!?
I reset and there's no difference.
So to my experiment. I needed to verify the space suck bug.
Reset phone. I'm starting with 39.89mb.
Install Robo Defence Free. It's advertised as 1.25mb.
Reset phone. 38.02mb. I've used up 1.87mb with that install. According to App Manager Robo Defence is using up 1.41mb.
Uninstall Robo Defence. 38.18mb. Restart. final = 39.42mb.
In just one app install and removal, I've lost 0.47mb
Why? What has used that space?
Despite having 40mb of space this morning when attempting to install Fennec, I have since removed Nimbuzz, Shopper, Robo Defence, Poker, Layar, and Google Translate and I've not gotten back up to 40mb.
Can someone tell me what the hell is going on?

Yeah this is a major worry.
I hope someone can get to the bottom of it...

Try going to settings - applications - manage applications then hit menu and choose sort by size. This should show you the biggest space hog. My guess is that the browser and/or market caches are getting big as you're browsing for these apps. You can press on market and there will be a button to clear the cache, same for internet.
Hope this helps

Nope, that didn't even dent it. This is a real bother.

Have you tried to delete the cache and the data of the application before uninstalling it ?
Under settings/applications/manage applications when you choose an app you can see the size of the application but also the size of the data and the size of the cache. Maybe uninstalling an app don't remove at least the data and/or cache...

Guy's, honestly... You are looking far to deep into this and the word "control freak" comes to mind..
Enjoy your phone and dont quibble over 0.47MB when you have 32gb to play with. A massive thanks to Paul for getting us this root in the first place, we now have options to do anything we want with the phone.
Worry if your phone cannot be used, yes
But worring over small, irrelivant problems will just lower your enjoyment of this beast! Take a chill pill and enjoy that wee can now install apps on the sd card and are not limited to space
Cheers Paul))))
JD

JupiterDroid said:
dont quibble over 0.47MB when you have 32gb to play with.
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What about those of us who don't plan to root? I think the OP's point here was that this is an issue and rooting isn't really a solution for a lot of people.

Why would you not root? I dont see why you would not open your phone up to obvious advantages and extra app's, especially when these apps have the potential to extend battery life and volume levels, two of which we know with the Desire are pretty dire.
JD

Perfect volume and 2 days battery here mate
I'd only root for A2SD, but might see if Google sort it themselves first as I don't use a lot of apps anyway - it's just a phone after all

JupiterDroid said:
Guy's, honestly... You are looking far to deep into this and the word "control freak" comes to mind..
Enjoy your phone and dont quibble over 0.47MB when you have 32gb to play with. A massive thanks to Paul for getting us this root in the first place, we now have options to do anything we want with the phone.
Worry if your phone cannot be used, yes
But worring over small, irrelivant problems will just lower your enjoyment of this beast! Take a chill pill and enjoy that wee can now install apps on the sd card and are not limited to space
Cheers Paul))))
JD
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First installing to SD slows down your apps noticeably. It's not ideal. It's the best solution we have RIGHT NOW, but don't mistake that for being a good thing.
I'm not quibbling over 0.45mb. If you reread I LOST 5mb! That's enough space for a few apps, no?
My point being that up until now this clear bug (losing data that doesn't seem to be associated with an app so is therefore not counted in it's cache and is not cleared) has been ignored by throwing SD space at it. That's foolish.

Well i get just over 1.5 days battery life and volume is not too bad for me, but i would like the music volume to be louder Also the main thin gthe root would mean for me is that i could get the Nexus rom on to my Desire and hopefully get a quick update to Froyo Because lets face it, how long are we going to wait for HTC to update sense???
JD

Don't like stock Android - I'm happy with Sense!
But enough thread hijacking!!

So you will be happy to wait 6 months for HTC to update Sense to intergrate with Froyo? (based on past updates, eg.. Hero, which is still on 1.6)?? I can understand your point, but sense for me is just a waste of screen space
The only reason i bought the desire was because of the slightly more RAM and actual buttons instead of touchscreen buttons Sense isnt a real big must for me
JD

Well, yeah! The Desire as it is does exactly what I want it to out the box. I had to cook my own ROM for my HD2 to get it working as I want but this just works!!
I prefer the eye candy of Sense, stock Android is boring and I hate using garish themes...if I feel the need to root it I will but as it is I have no need to

Very true mate Well i hope they have a frozen youghut ready for you apon release
JD

Guys, take it somewhere else eh.

Aitese said:
So we've got root access. Awesome. Everyone has been looking forward to installing apps to their SD card as well as other neat tricks.
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same here. I've two Desire, installed exactly the same apps and had a difference of 12 mb afterwards. I tried to delete every cache a.s.o, still a difference of 5 mb.. reboot .. nothing changed. Next day -> reboot again -> 2 mb difference? No clue what's exactly going on with the rom.
@sense: I bought the desire cause i thought it can't be worse than the nexus one cause if i don't like sense, just install launcher2 and deactivate it. What i did not know: HTC just removed some stock android applications and integrated their crappy apps, and in addition they implement some features i want to REMOVE, i do not want to see them anymore (f.e. flickr.. why flickr? this is android/google, i want a picasa button!, tweet, stocks a.s.o... no uninstall option).
I need root to get rid of the things i don´t like.

I did say sorry for it - he's the one coming back at me!!
I'll leave it now mate, my 2p though, I personally don't care about the memory - if it gets to a point when I do I'll hard reset and start again. Probably just needs the Android equivalent of a defrag!!

Have done two hard resets (not for this reason) and my memory was lower after each - something to do with the re-installing of the apps I surmise?

al89nut said:
Have done two hard resets (not for this reason) and my memory was lower after each - something to do with the re-installing of the apps I surmise?
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That's strange. After a hard reset it should have exactly the same memory each time. After all, that's the whole point of a hard reset.
And I must say that the issue raised by OP is very worrying. Installing and then uninstalling applications should give you back the exact same memory as you had before. I can accept residual files on the SD card, but the precious space on the internal flash should definately be fully reclaimed after an uninstall.
If not, there is a fundamental flaw somewhere. If anyone can shed more light on this issue, please do so!

NEWBIE ALERT: Looking for ROM that has...

UPDATE - deleted old post...
So I just finished Rooting my phone and putting a new rom.
I used the following root guide:
[TUTORIAL] EVO Full Root|OTA Root|Nand Backup/Restore|Flashing|for n00b's + videos
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=721055
Now I realized all my phone contacts are gone....
I wished he had put a disclaimer about that.
and what sucks is, I dont have a backup to those contact # either so im screwed.
Anyways my question is: Once I have all my contacts and I wish to change ROM.
Will I lose all my datas?
If I download a game app - IE - Tower Defense - will it keep game saved, unlocked maps, etc etc?
if it doesn't, how do I transfer contacts, game saved to the next Rom when I wipe (I assume wipe = format which it deletes everything).
I already forsee im gonna test all the roms out there but I HATE to re-put all my contacts over and over again...
im already mad I lost half of my contacts I wont be able to retreive.
with that said - I guess I have few more question than.
WHAT IS Nand Backup? what does it do?
What is Titanium Backup? what does it do?
Do I need 1 or both?

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=746611
In the op there is a link to google docs spread sheet that compares the most popular roms comparing there performance, battery life, extra features, what features it has working, ect.

nief1313 said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=746611
In the op there is a link to google docs spread sheet that compares the most popular roms comparing there performance, battery life, extra features, what features it has working, ect.
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Thanks for the link but it doesnt answer some of my other questions.
what kind of pre-loaded apps comes with each one?

you will have to individually check out their threads to find out what they have included/excluded, but for most of the ROMs, they generally include all the stock stuff(sometimes removed sprint apps or an easy way of removing them) and a few include an app for rom specific updates/changing profiles. besides that most of them dont preinstall any extra apps.

nief1313 said:
you will have to individually check out their threads to find out what they have included/excluded, but for most of the ROMs, they generally include all the stock stuff(sometimes removed sprint apps or an easy way of removing them) and a few include an app for rom specific updates/changing profiles. besides that most of them dont preinstall any extra apps.
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This man speaks the truff.
Most roms are pretty identical, just check them out and view which one you would like the most.
I suggest making a nandroid backup of what you have now and then installing different roms and testing them out. Find the one thats fits you and stick with it.

Evio is my current rom, it seems to be the only one where the cache is on the /cache partition instead of the data partition, and everything is working, he adds a few apps but you can wipe it to get the full 427MB for apps. also u can uninstall any sprint apps you dont want with titanium backup.
BTW good luck on the 60 fps, expect 50-55fps.

Use the evo kitchen. Search for it. Lets you make one to your liking.
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UPDATE - check first post for my new issues. Thanks to the previous posts answering my other concerns.

for starters save all contacts to gmail that will help you to avoid having to re-enter your contacts everytime, when you link your gmail to your phone it will pull your contact. since u already lost em id recommend going to gmail now and adding them manually, had my mom do this in the begining when she 1st got her moment, and i found out after the fact on my hero.
Nandroid is a full back up of your phones current state (rom wise). so when you have one set up the way you like it make a nandroid so when you decide to jump to another rom or you flash a soemthing you dont like you can revert back to your previous state. its like system restore for windows but 20x better.
Titanium backup lets you back up apps uninstall apps etc etc, it does alot, too much for me to explain, i say check out their site. also titanium back up is the one you would need if u wanted to back up apps and restore them on another rom.
Titanium back up was how i was able to keep my free copy of lets golf xD

Quick question..

I'm new 2 the rooting and the Android itself.. I got the 2.2 on my EVO like most ppl have via update, I'm kinda skeptical of rooting it still.. I guess my question is, is it worth rooting it and what changes on the device itself?
Any information would and will be extremely appreciated..
Thanx in advance...
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Good day to you.
First off. welcome. second, as its your FIRST post I hope you wont get flamed too hard because there are many many threads that cover the pros/cons of rooting.
I suggest next time you have a question, take a minute to use the search function (and post in the right forum! questions go in Q&A).
A few quick pros of rooting.
Free wireless tether (sharing your phones internet connection with a laptop or other wifi enabled device)
The ability to flash custom ROMs, these are the operating systems of the phone, they're all built off of (for the most part) stock htc/sprint images, but there are plenty and many options, find one that suits your needs and try it out.
Custom kernels, they are the set of drivers and the "brain" of your phone, want it overclocked? get a custom kernel, want it undervolted (Save battery) get a custom kernel. many options to choose from
Custom Boot screens.
Root only applications, titanium backup (backs up stuff, i dont use it so i cant elaborate), shootme (screenshot program) and others im sure.
Hope this clears up some stuff, welcome, use the search (really im just trying to help ya here) and have fun!

Round of applause for nenn. While I agree with your first few sentences, there aren't many "nice guys" on this site and especially on the Evo boards. People tend to forget that this phone is relatively new and has attracted many new people to the world of Android (like myself) who know nothing about anything.
OP: A few things you can do with root that nenn did not mention:
1) You can read/write from your SD card.
2) You can remove all the garbage that your phone came loaded with from Sprint and HTC (like Sprint Nascar and Peep).
3) With Titanium back-up, it allows you to transfer all user apps to the SD card keeping your phones internal memory clean, you can back up and restore all apps and system data, and you can use it to uninstall apps you don't want as mentioned in point #2.
4) Custom kernels also remove the 30 fps cap on our phones (I get 52 fps average with my set up).
5) You can use other root-only programs like ROM Manager which lets you flash files onto your phone easily via a custom recovery. Also, you can back up several ROM's and switch from one to the other, or go back to a previous working ROM if you flash something on your phone that doesn't sit well with it.
If everything that we have mentioned means nothing to you, then just enjoy your phone as it is. It is a great device and you can get plenty of use out if without rooting it.

*bow* thanks for the kind words rudegraw, its not a day from hell at work so im in a chipper mood for the most part, yesterday, i woulda ripped this yougin to shreads so i posted very little, lol.
rugedraw said:
1) You can read/write from your SD card.
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eh? what do you mean? thats worded very oddly.

Thanx to the both of ya.. I do luv the phone the way it is and specially since yesterday I turned on the 4G and it actually came on, you can pretty much assume my excitement lol.. But I'll read up on the pros/cons of rooting before I make any decision as to root my Evo..
Thanx again..
Sent from my PC36100 using XDA App

nenn said:
*bow* thanks for the kind words rudegraw, its not a day from hell at work so im in a chipper mood for the most part, yesterday, i woulda ripped this yougin to shreads so i posted very little, lol.
eh? what do you mean? thats worded very oddly.
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I'd rather not get into details about this on the thread. I worded it this way on purpose. PM me and I'd be more than happy to explain what I meant.

Rooting 2.2
I am rooting for the first time and I'm stuck now. I am in the section where you enter the commands into the cmd command box.
I just entered the ./rageagainstthecage-arm5.bin
and it says that it not found but when I entered it earlier it worke just fine, can anyone help me plz

rugedraw said:
Round of applause for nenn. While I agree with your first few sentences, there aren't many "nice guys" on this site and especially on the Evo boards. People tend to forget that this phone is relatively new and has attracted many new people to the world of Android (like myself) who know nothing about anything.
OP: A few things you can do with root that nenn did not mention:
1) You can read/write from your SD card.
2) You can remove all the garbage that your phone came loaded with from Sprint and HTC (like Sprint Nascar and Peep).
3) With Titanium back-up, it allows you to transfer all user apps to the SD card keeping your phones internal memory clean, you can back up and restore all apps and system data, and you can use it to uninstall apps you don't want as mentioned in point #2.
4) Custom kernels also remove the 30 fps cap on our phones (I get 52 fps average with my set up).
5) You can use other root-only programs like ROM Manager which lets you flash files onto your phone easily via a custom recovery. Also, you can back up several ROM's and switch from one to the other, or go back to a previous working ROM if you flash something on your phone that doesn't sit well with it.
If everything that we have mentioned means nothing to you, then just enjoy your phone as it is. It is a great device and you can get plenty of use out if without rooting it.
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Recording at 720p, is it any better with 52 fps?

New to Samsung galaxy S3 have a few questions please?

Hello all, been a long time since I have been here and have really missed it.
I recently switched carriers from Verizon to Sprint and got me a Galaxy S3 from Wireless.Amazon for $39.99, along with 3 Motorola photon q's for my kids and wife for a penny each... Not too shabby of deal IMO. Lol
2 years ago, I got a htc incredible and rooted it and went through about 20 roms before I finally stuck with cyanogen mod 7, which had everything I was looking for built in.
The main 2 things I want with this Gs3 is free wifi tether and ability to move apps to sd card.
I read a post about native tether and it looked like someone got it working on jelly bean? Not native tether but some kind of wifi tether.
Streve or something like that?
Uhg.. I am rambling, let me make this short and sweet.
1)Can I have wifi tether on jelly bean?
2)Can I have app to sd on galaxy s3?
3)Can I have call recording?
I am stock 4.1.1 with root right now but am willing to go with a custom ROM to get these features... Don't care if its 4.1.1 or 4.0.4 as long as I can get these working. #3 isn't too important.
Please point me to where I need to be if these things or part of these things are possible?
I would like to be as stable as possible.
I'm not the type to be changing roms all the time.
Also, what is the way to go if I need a custom ROM and want to get my apps back and such? Without having to set them all up again, if thats possible?
I consider myself a noob again since so much has changed since my htc incredible.
Thanks so much and I apologize if I piss anybody off with this post. I just don't have the time or energy to read so much info that is available on this site. Just thinking that someone that is familiar with all this would have a much easier time pointing me in the direction I need.
Happy holidays and be safe everybody.
Blind.
Sent from my Galaxy S3 with XDA App.

Wifi tether you'll have to search for the right mod, apps to SD is a thing of the past on this phone, internal storage is just a folder in /data so you have ~12gb for whatever(apps, pics, vids, music etc) aside from your microsd. Call recording I think there's something for it but don't use it so searching teh googlez will be your best bet
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BlindDude said:
Hello all, been a long time since I have been here and have really missed it.
I recently switched carriers from Verizon to Sprint and got me a Galaxy S3 from Wireless.Amazon for $39.99, along with 3 Motorola photon q's for my kids and wife for a penny each... Not too shabby of deal IMO. Lol
2 years ago, I got a htc incredible and rooted it and went through about 20 roms before I finally stuck with cyanogen mod 7, which had everything I was looking for built in.
The main 2 things I want with this Gs3 is free wifi tether and ability to move apps to sd card.
I read a post about native tether and it looked like someone got it working on jelly bean? Not native tether but some kind of wifi tether.
Streve or something like that?
Uhg.. I am rambling, let me make this short and sweet.
1)Can I have wifi tether on jelly bean?
2)Can I have app to sd on galaxy s3?
3)Can I have call recording?
I am stock 4.1.1 with root right now but am willing to go with a custom ROM to get these features... Don't care if its 4.1.1 or 4.0.4 as long as I can get these working. #3 isn't too important.
Please point me to where I need to be if these things or part of these things are possible?
I would like to be as stable as possible.
I'm not the type to be changing roms all the time.
Also, what is the way to go if I need a custom ROM and want to get my apps back and such? Without having to set them all up again, if thats possible?
I consider myself a noob again since so much has changed since my htc incredible.
Thanks so much and I apologize if I piss anybody off with this post. I just don't have the time or energy to read so much info that is available on this site. Just thinking that someone that is familiar with all this would have a much easier time pointing me in the direction I need.
Happy holidays and be safe everybody.
Blind.
Sent from my Galaxy S3 with XDA App.
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Most of the roms will have abilites your looking for. Tether as stated is only a quick mod away as well. Now the fun part of skimming roms to find one that fits you. I run the peoples rom. Light theme, great battery life. Clean rom overall. Best thing to do read a couple, check last few posts to see recent issues (if any) flash and form an opinion. Everyones experience differs. So enjoy
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-EViL-KoNCEPTz- said:
Wifi tether you'll have to search for the right mod, apps to SD is a thing of the past on this phone, internal storage is just a folder in /data so you have ~12gb for whatever(apps, pics, vids, music etc) aside from your microsd. Call recording I think there's something for it but don't use it so searching teh googlez will be your best bet
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Samsung: Intercept, Galaxy S2, Galaxy S3, Galaxy Note 2
HTC: EVO4g, EVO 3d
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Asus: Nexus7, Nexus10
Motorola: Photon
Amazon: Kindle Fire, Kindle Fire HD
We are legion, for we are many!
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milky1112 said:
Most of the roms will have abilites your looking for. Tether as stated is only a quick mod away as well. Now the fun part of skimming roms to find one that fits you. I run the peoples rom. Light theme, great battery life. Clean rom overall. Best thing to do read a couple, check last few posts to see recent issues (if any) flash and form an opinion. Everyones experience differs. So enjoy
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Thanks to you both. Well yeah, I guess app to sd isn't needed anymore. I had only 8G on my incredible, even though I had all my unimportant apps on the sd, I never came close to filling up the internal memory.
I will check out The Peoples ROM. I did notice that JellyBomb topic said something like "totally bug free" or something like that.. Any opinion on JellyBomb?
Oh and the last concern I had was restoring my apps and data so I don't have to set them up each ROM change? Should I purchase Titanium Backup?
Your input is greatly appreciated.
Thanks again
Blind.
Sent from my Galaxy S3 with XDA App.

TB is definetly the way to go. You can flash the custom recovery, root the device, then back up your apps before flashing any ROMs.

The only two roms i know of (and could find after a quick peruse through the dev sections) that have call recording are Team Sonics (via a flash-able zip) and Blazer rom (baked in).
Personally i run the latest Blazer JB rom, great battery life, smooth operation, and a stripped down TW experience with all the major goodies and none of the bloatware. Great compromise between pure AOSP and Pure TW

BlindDude said:
Hello all, been a long time since I have been here and have really missed it.
I recently switched carriers from Verizon to Sprint and got me a Galaxy S3 from Wireless.Amazon for $39.99, along with 3 Motorola photon q's for my kids and wife for a penny each... Not too shabby of deal IMO. Lol
2 years ago, I got a htc incredible and rooted it and went through about 20 roms before I finally stuck with cyanogen mod 7, which had everything I was looking for built in.
The main 2 things I want with this Gs3 is free wifi tether and ability to move apps to sd card.
I read a post about native tether and it looked like someone got it working on jelly bean? Not native tether but some kind of wifi tether.
Streve or something like that?
Uhg.. I am rambling, let me make this short and sweet.
1)Can I have wifi tether on jelly bean?
2)Can I have app to sd on galaxy s3?
3)Can I have call recording?
I am stock 4.1.1 with root right now but am willing to go with a custom ROM to get these features... Don't care if its 4.1.1 or 4.0.4 as long as I can get these working. #3 isn't too important.
Please point me to where I need to be if these things or part of these things are possible?
I would like to be as stable as possible.
I'm not the type to be changing roms all the time.
Also, what is the way to go if I need a custom ROM and want to get my apps back and such? Without having to set them all up again, if thats possible?
I consider myself a noob again since so much has changed since my htc incredible.
Thanks so much and I apologize if I piss anybody off with this post. I just don't have the time or energy to read so much info that is available on this site. Just thinking that someone that is familiar with all this would have a much easier time pointing me in the direction I need.
Happy holidays and be safe everybody.
Blind.
Sent from my Galaxy S3 with XDA App.
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1. I use Team Sonic's Free GS3 ROM, and it has WiFi tether included (and working, for me at least). It is accessed in the settings menu. It is a smooth ROM for me, and the install is customizable using the Aroma installer. A very cool way to set up the ROM during the flash process!
2. I believe Google changed the way it partitioned/formated a phone's internal memory, and that is giving problems to moving apps to sd cards. Unless you really download/install a large number of apps, the 11 or so gigs of internal storage that is free is plenty! I just use my sd card as a media storage (pics, music, etc). There are ways to go about moving apps to sd, but I'm not sure it's 100% reliable.
3. Can't help you on that one, sorry!
Whatever you decide (and since you have root), please make a nandroid backup of your current stock configuration! I use TWRP recovery, and it is a great touch-based recovery program. CWM is now touch-based too. Backup first before doing anything else, please!

Im Skeered
Oh boy.. I know people are going to roll their eyes and think I am a freakin idiot.. I prolly am.
I just purchased titanium backup pro and want to make a backup of my stuffs so when I change a rom, I can restore.
Do I really need TB or will google restore my stuff when I log in?
If I do need TB, is there a vid from that qbking77 guy that explains how to do this? The vids I have watched from him are EXCELLENT and VERY easy to follow.
I opened TB and it is so complicated to me that I have no clue where to start.. I did find the option to store my backups on the sd card(made a new folder called"titanium backup")<-----should I have done this?
I searched google and found a vid on using TB and rom change and in the vid the guy goes to backup and selects "batch" but I cant find that on my version of TB..(latest version)... CRAP I just found it.. clicked the checkmark on top right and got that batch screen he had...(see how dumb I am?)
I think I want to just backup "user apps" with no system data, but in TB under "Backup all user apps" it says 0. System data says 228 but wont that interfere with a new rom?
OK, what I want to do is:
First) backup my apps that I have downloaded/purchased.
Second) Install my first rom... The Peoples Rom v3.05.
Third) Restore my backup from TB WITHOUT A HITCH.
Fourth) Try other roms.
Fifth) Restore TB backup WITHOUT A HITCH.
Can someone link me to the info I need(preferably videos because I am a visual learner)?
Or if what I am trying to do is easily accomplished,, explain step by step what I need to do?
I know search is my friend but when I search, I get overwhelmed. I have a boy with down syndrome and he takes most of my time so thats why I am trying to take the easier route.
Thanks for all your patience. It is much appreciated.
Also, feel free to kick me out of here if I am asking too much.. I can definitely understand that.
Blind.

BlindDude said:
Oh boy.. I know people are going to roll their eyes and think I am a freakin idiot.. I prolly am.
I just purchased titanium backup pro and want to make a backup of my stuffs so when I change a rom, I can restore.
Do I really need TB or will google restore my stuff when I log in?
If I do need TB, is there a vid from that qbking77 guy that explains how to do this? The vids I have watched from him are EXCELLENT and VERY easy to follow.
I opened TB and it is so complicated to me that I have no clue where to start.. I did find the option to store my backups on the sd card(made a new folder called"titanium backup")<-----should I have done this?
I searched google and found a vid on using TB and rom change and in the vid the guy goes to backup and selects "batch" but I cant find that on my version of TB..(latest version)... CRAP I just found it.. clicked the checkmark on top right and got that batch screen he had...(see how dumb I am?)
I think I want to just backup "user apps" with no system data, but in TB under "Backup all user apps" it says 0. System data says 228 but wont that interfere with a new rom?
OK, what I want to do is:
First) backup my apps that I have downloaded/purchased.
Second) Install my first rom... The Peoples Rom v3.05.
Third) Restore my backup from TB WITHOUT A HITCH.
Fourth) Try other roms.
Fifth) Restore TB backup WITHOUT A HITCH.
Can someone link me to the info I need(preferably videos because I am a visual learner)?
Or if what I am trying to do is easily accomplished,, explain step by step what I need to do?
I know search is my friend but when I search, I get overwhelmed. I have a boy with down syndrome and he takes most of my time so thats why I am trying to take the easier route.
Thanks for all your patience. It is much appreciated.
Also, feel free to kick me out of here if I am asking too much.. I can definitely understand that.
Blind.
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google restore will not restore app data. i will re-download you most recent batch of apps (i believe that's how it decides what to download, im not 100% sure on the logic behind what it does and does not download.) and stuff like wifi passwords and gmail settings, etc.
If you want to move your app-data (games, books, locations in books, movies, etc) or don't want to download stuff constantly, then you want TB. i use it extensively when testing out new roms so i am not constantly re-downloading my apps and what not.

Ludacon said:
google restore will not restore app data. i will re-download you most recent batch of apps (i believe that's how it decides what to download, im not 100% sure on the logic behind what it does and does not download.) and stuff like wifi passwords and gmail settings, etc.
If you want to move your app-data (games, books, locations in books, movies, etc) or don't want to download stuff constantly, then you want TB. i use it extensively when testing out new roms so i am not constantly re-downloading my apps and what not.
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Thank you. I have been reading the TB how to's. It says to backup my user apps and system data when changing roms...
But when I click on batch. It shows 0 for user apps.. System data shows 228 and User apps+system data shows 228..
Does this seem correct?
I guess I will backup user apps+system data and install a new rom and see what happens.. If it doesnt go well, I can restore my nandroid.

duh,, I messed up and unchecked apps in the filters thinking it was the "all" checkmark
now I have 80 user apps.
Just to make sure,,
I should backup user apps only and NOT system data because the system data might not be compatible with the new rom?
Thanks

BlindDude said:
Thank you. I have been reading the TB how to's. It says to backup my user apps and system data when changing roms...
But when I click on batch. It shows 0 for user apps.. System data shows 228 and User apps+system data shows 228..
Does this seem correct?
I guess I will backup user apps+system data and install a new rom and see what happens.. If it doesnt go well, I can restore my nandroid.
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Don't back up your system apps. Most ROMs come with their own set of system Apps and they don't necessarily play well with each other. you can back up your accounts, your user dictionary, etc......but usually I just back up the user apps. If there are any specific system apps you have that you want to take with you, I'd recommend converting them to user apps through titanium backup and restoring them that way.
The other option is to just dirty flash the roms, this way you don't have to worry about losing your apps/data, but YMMV.

You should get Rom toolbox pro. It has over 20 different apps combined. It's a very polished app, you should check that out for restoring your apps. For your flashoholic\noob needs.
Silly sheeps, S3's arnt for noobs.

Hey, A BIG THANKS to all of you that chimed in here.. I thought I would get flamed because of my stupidity but not one person scolded me.
I have finally flashed my first rom.
I backed up "user apps" only with TB
Then booted into clockworkmod recovery and wiped cache, delvik, and factory reset all right there.
Then installed zip from sd and everything went great.
upon signing in to my google account, most my apps came back, so I only had to restore 8 of them with TB.
One weird thing happened, I just installed a game last night called "Bike Race Free" and was really liking it but when google was d-loading and installing my apps back, that one came back with "this app is not compatible with your device" but TB restored it fine and it works great. I think I will post on The Peoples Rom thread about it. I was on an IRC channel and one guy said it "might be because the "build.prop" file might of been modified to make it think its a different device or something similar..."
Anyway, I feel comfortable now about flashing roms. It was easier than when I did it over 2 years ago on my Droid Inc.
Thanks again all.
Oh and I will look into that app you mentioned Brandonrz,, RomToolBox Pro. Thanks

BlindDude said:
Hey, A BIG THANKS to all of you that chimed in here.. I thought I would get flamed because of my stupidity but not one person scolded me.
I have finally flashed my first rom.
I backed up "user apps" only with TB
Then booted into clockworkmod recovery and wiped cache, delvik, and factory reset all right there.
Then installed zip from sd and everything went great.
upon signing in to my google account, most my apps came back, so I only had to restore 8 of them with TB.
One weird thing happened, I just installed a game last night called "Bike Race Free" and was really liking it but when google was d-loading and installing my apps back, that one came back with "this app is not compatible with your device" but TB restored it fine and it works great. I think I will post on The Peoples Rom thread about it. I was on an IRC channel and one guy said it "might be because the "build.prop" file might of been modified to make it think its a different device or something similar..."
Anyway, I feel comfortable now about flashing roms. It was easier than when I did it over 2 years ago on my Droid Inc.
Thanks again all.
Oh and I will look into that app you mentioned Brandonrz,, RomToolBox Pro. Thanks
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Some apps arent JB compatible yet which is the most common reason ive see for apps not being compatible. Less common are DPI changes and resolution issues.
I second RomToolBox Pro, excellent app for all your rooting needs

[Q] Iso image backup, is nandroid only option?

Hey guys I have two questions.
1. I would like to do a backup of my phone the same way I would do an image of my PC drive using an image software like Norton ghost or Acronis true image. Is this possible on android? I've been reading about Nandroid backup and I think this does what I want but the only way to do this with Nandroid is to root and install a new recovery correct? Am I not able to hook my phone up using the usb cable and use an app on the PC to clone the internal SD and create an image of it? I want to create an image of my phone with all its settings, contacts, txts, etc so i can have something to go back to if needed. I would like to do this before I root if possible.
2. On the Samsung Captivate section we have a wiki that has all the info you need to learn how to do certain things, mods, root, etc, etc. I found something similar for our Gnote2 here started by Mjwhirly http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1987541 but I could not find a section of removing bloatware. I saw the link that was created by mrRobinson and he mentions using De-Bloater app that will do it for you with oneclick but is there a list of all the safe to remove apps that I can go through so I can decided which apps I want to keep and which I want to remove?
thanks in advance

Yeah you got it right - a nandroid is what you want. I'm a big time user of ghost - it's the same thing and works great. Root and install the TWRP recovery. Then first of all make a nandroid of your old system. If you want to go back to it all you'll have to do is unroot, change the recovery back, and use triangle away to reset the flash counter and you'll be where you are now - bone stock. You can't make a nandroid image backup until you root and change the recovery though.
On the second question I'd just recommend you install a rom. I use Cleanrom. It is already debloated for you (though you have still some choices), as well as optimized in ways that will amaze you (does 2+ days on battery sound good?). If you look at the various roms available, you'll see more people are using Cleanrom than any other - that should tell you something! Jedi is also great. Many of the AOSP type roms seem to have some minor issues, but the devs are trying to do a much harder thing than just debloat and optimize a rom that was originally released for your device. Whichever one you decide to try, best thing to do is just read the whole rom thread in advance if you have time. You'll read all the dumb questions that others have already asked as well as learn all the ins and outs of the whole process. If you want to then try a different rom, make a nandroid and you can always come back to your previous working system. Hope this helps and have fun!

hey thanks a lot Dumbo53
I guess i'll just have to go ahead and root and do a nandroid backup. I have actually owned a captivate since it first came out which was my first android phone and i have never installed a custom rom. I always did everything manually like debloat and stuff. Security wise how safe are these roms, I see a lot of people just running around and flashing any rom that gets posted. What I'm trying to get at is do we know what's inside of these roms or do we just rely on the honor system and assume that they're safe, like can I trust these roms if I do my banking on them, which i am scared to do ever since I saw a message from the keyboard app on my captivate prompt about capturing my keystrokes or something, basically like a key logger, so I never did try to log onto any sites involving my banking or work email etc. but now that I have my note2 I want to be able to do all that stuff, like emails, banking, accessing my site for maintenance etc etc just for the instant access part of it instead of booting up my laptop or desktop... But I guess I can say the same thing about the stock rom too.

Your banking info is much more likely to be stolen off of a corporate website that got hacked. Whenever you use a credit card to buy something from a company or store, your number passes through some unknown employee's hands and gets stored in another database. Since millions of these numbers are stored together under sometimes weak security, these sites make much more tempting targets than your phone for thieves. The numbers are then sold off in blocks of thousands on the internet. Does that worry you enough to stop using a credit card?
However it is true that there could be a risk in installing a rom, or indeed any software on your phone. If it were discovered that a dev was putting malware in their mods or roms, I'm sure it would create quite a stir! I've never heard of this happening, though I have heard of shady stuff being done with mobile apps that you buy. All I can suggest you do is just read a lot more so that it is easier to distinguish between real threats and imaginary ones, and to learn how to protect yourself. In any case financial institutions have to protect their customers from a lot of these types of fraud, or they'd have trouble staying in business.
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Sounds good. I'm just getting the chance to root and install TWRP been super busy with work so I haven't had the chance to do it. Now installing a recovery does not wipe data right? also on a different note I use both the play store and amazon app store. I have purchased a bunch of apps from amazon and most of them worked but there are a few that say my phone is not compatible. Like the need for speed games and asphalt games will not install from amazon. I haven't tried the same apps from play store but maybe I should. Oh one big one is autodesks sketchbook pro. I don't even see that option on the play store when searching using my phone but its there when i search on the pc. I purchased sketchbook mobile and that works but i needed the features that pro has so i purchased that through amazon again thinking that it would work. I thought this phone was basically a tablet, shouldn't these tablet apps work on our phones?