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Battery vs direct push email from Gmail

So I am wondering, is it a huge battery drain to use the direct push email function? I just flash a few days ago, and while I have only been thru about 4 cycles on my battery, when I set up my email I am using the exchange sync for email too from google.
Anyone know what is better on the battery? no email push and set up for checking for new email every 30 min or just have the direct push going?
Thanks,
jeff

In the typical scenario, Push is WAY better for your battery juice, especially since you probably do not get mail all the time. For example, if you set the POP retrieval for every 30minutes, then you're going use juice every 30 minutes whether you have mail or not, because just popping your mail account is going to use juice. With push, you only use juice when there is mail.
On the other hand, if you get hundreds of messages a day, everyday, all day, then popping might be better since you could retrieve them in batches.
FWIW, I have 13 e-mail accounts. When I set my XV6800 to POP the maximum number of Outlook Mobile accounts, which is 6 (and that limit sucks, BTW) every 15 minutes, the battery didn't even make it to the end of the work day. When I went to a Push setup, even for ALL 13 accounts, that low battery problem went away.
Hope this helps.

xv-6800 said:
In the typical scenario, Push is WAY better for your battery juice, especially since you probably do not get mail all the time. For example, if you set the POP retrieval for every 30minutes, then you're going use juice every 30 minutes whether you have mail or not, because just popping your mail account is going to use juice. With push, you only use juice when there is mail.
On the other hand, if you get hundreds of messages a day, everyday, all day, then popping might be better since you could retrieve them in batches.
FWIW, I have 13 e-mail accounts. When I set my XV6800 to POP the maximum number of Outlook Mobile accounts, which is 6 (and that limit sucks, BTW) every 15 minutes, the battery didn't even make it to the end of the work day. When I went to a Push setup, even for ALL 13 accounts, that low battery problem went away.
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And how did you do that with 13 accounts?

lol. you can only have one email account configured to exchange at any one time!

AMoosa said:
lol. you can only have one email account configured to exchange at any one time!
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I have 5 different e-mail addresses going to one google account (setup to exchange on my phone), so 13 isn't impossible.
Means i don't miss e-mails coz i forgot to check them.

AMoosa said:
lol. you can only have one email account configured to exchange at any one time!
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Use google as your push account and then use the POP retrieval service in google to aggregate your other accounts.
My god Google will rule the world one day! I heard they have a feature coming soon called "Google Charging" that will be AWESOME! lol j/k

xv-6800 said:
In the typical scenario, Push is WAY better for your battery juice, especially since you probably do not get mail all the time. For example, if you set the POP retrieval for every 30minutes, then you're going use juice every 30 minutes whether you have mail or not, because just popping your mail account is going to use juice. With push, you only use juice when there is mail.
On the other hand, if you get hundreds of messages a day, everyday, all day, then popping might be better since you could retrieve them in batches.
FWIW, I have 13 e-mail accounts. When I set my XV6800 to POP the maximum number of Outlook Mobile accounts, which is 6 (and that limit sucks, BTW) every 15 minutes, the battery didn't even make it to the end of the work day. When I went to a Push setup, even for ALL 13 accounts, that low battery problem went away.
gHope this helps.
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so I thank you for your input, it makes sense what you are saying, I am one of the lucky ones ai only have a work email and only one personal email.
my battery is doing much better now after a week. I will stick with the push thill for a while.
thanks too all
jeff

Are you saying that you previously were popping at intervals, and now you're pushing instead, and you see better battery life?
Interesting how the Help on the phone AND on Google's site says the exact opposite! Those morons who wrote that are either complete idiots or they're trying to steer us away from Push for some reason.

karandras24 said:
I have 5 different e-mail addresses going to one google account (setup to exchange on my phone), so 13 isn't impossible.
Means i don't miss e-mails coz i forgot to check them.
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Goes to show how thinking outside the box works wonders, doesn't it?
One thing I do NOT like about using Google for this is that they have a statement that says that they do not guarantee any intervals on their end on POPPING, so it often takes over an hour to receive an e-mail. Verizon's Wireless Sync does the same job but pops every 15 minutes.
I wonder if it would be different if I had the 3rd party accounts automatically forward copies of messages to the gmail accounts. Does Google handle directly sent messages faster?
Edit: Yep, setup my other accounts to forward to my gmail account, instead of having the gmail account POP the other accounts, and now I get pushes within seconds! Yeee-haaaw!

Windows Live-driven Push Hotmail killing battery, making phone warm/hot

I wasn't able to get Google Sync to push emails to my phone, so I bit the bullet and forwarded my Gmail accounts to my Windows Live Account, because I could then get push email on my TP2 using the Windows Live app.
I assumed that email would be pushed to my device through MS servers, thus saving battery life by not having the phone check for mail every minute. And to some extent, this is what I think is happening. But the battery life SUCKS now! I surf the web on my phone and listen to music for about 4-5 hours a day. The rest of the time, it's inactive in my pocket while I'm at work, and is charged every night.
But with Windows live mail on, the phone gradually gets warm while playing music (Microfi nitrogen) and gives me low battery warnings by 7PM. Normally I could go 1.5 days without a recharge.
Here are my Windows Live Settings:
Sync Options --> Sync Email (ticked)
Sync Schedule --> As Items Arrive
Sync Times ---> Always
These seem to be fairly standard, and nothing power-intensive. Does anyone have an idea as to why my battery life has dropped off a cliff? Thanks.

don't really know, but I noticed that I had my phone checking G-mail, regular hotmail, and yahoo every 30 minutes. Battery from full morning charge, would be at 1 bar by 9pm. This is w/ normal use, using BT for an hour, 10 phone calls or so.
I thought that the Push concept only applied to MSFT Exchange server. You may be emulating 'push' using the other accounts, but I'm not sure if its the same. I'd just change your sync settings to like 2 hours and observe it, not the best thing, but it'll give you a better idea. Thats what I've had mine at now all day and the one bar hasn't dropped off yet..

aniym said:
I wasn't able to get Google Sync to push emails to my phone, so I bit the bullet and forwarded my Gmail accounts to my Windows Live Account, because I could then get push email on my TP2 using the Windows Live app.
I assumed that email would be pushed to my device through MS servers, thus saving battery life by not having the phone check for mail every minute. And to some extent, this is what I think is happening. But the battery life SUCKS now! I surf the web on my phone and listen to music for about 4-5 hours a day. The rest of the time, it's inactive in my pocket while I'm at work, and is charged every night.
But with Windows live mail on, the phone gradually gets warm while playing music (Microfi nitrogen) and gives me low battery warnings by 7PM. Normally I could go 1.5 days without a recharge.
Here are my Windows Live Settings:
Sync Options --> Sync Email (ticked)
Sync Schedule --> As Items Arrive
Sync Times ---> Always
These seem to be fairly standard, and nothing power-intensive. Does anyone have an idea as to why my battery life has dropped off a cliff? Thanks.
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Using the push email features means that the phone keeps a constant connection to the Internet servers, transferring data continuously. That eats up the battery. I had the same symptoms when I set up Activesync to use push email from my gmail account. I stopped using push (which worked fine - when gmail got a new message, I IMMEDIATELY got a push email) and went back to manual checking. I don't use my gmail for primary email anyway, I was just checking the capability.

but i thought the point of push email, at least when using a WindowsLive/Hotmail account was that MS servers were doing the work of checking my account for new mail, and then notifying me only when I had new mail to check, kinda like an SMS alert. That is supposed to take the strain of checking continuously off of my device.
I had a BB Bold 9700, and this is how push email is supposed to work. Blackberry's Enterprise servers check all their users' mail accounts for new mail continuously, and push notifications to the users when new mail arrives.
It's very disappointing to know that this sort of system is not possible on the TP2. I switched to it from the 9700 because the surfing experience was better, and I liked the customizability, but lately I've been regretting my decision to switch, seeing as how seamless and fast BB OS 5.0 is compared to WM, which, even after downgrading to 6.1 and disabling, is sluggish to the point of annoyance.
Honestly, I had a Samsung Blackjack II with WM Standard 6.1, and it often felt faster than my TP2.

aniym said:
but i thought the point of push email, at least when using a WindowsLive/Hotmail account was that MS servers were doing the work of checking my account for new mail, and then notifying me only when I had new mail to check, kinda like an SMS alert. That is supposed to take the strain of checking continuously off of my device.
I had a BB Bold 9700, and this is how push email is supposed to work. Blackberry's Enterprise servers check all their users' mail accounts for new mail continuously, and push notifications to the users when new mail arrives.
It's very disappointing to know that this sort of system is not possible on the TP2. I switched to it from the 9700 because the surfing experience was better, and I liked the customizability, but lately I've been regretting my decision to switch, seeing as how seamless and fast BB OS 5.0 is compared to WM, which, even after downgrading to 6.1 and disabling, is sluggish to the point of annoyance.
Honestly, I had a Samsung Blackjack II with WM Standard 6.1, and it often felt faster than my TP2.
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The blackberry is designed fro the start to do push; the WM platform is designed as a portable computer, to which they have added push capabilities. I'm not really sure how the BB connects to push, but I suspect that it is not via what we would normally call an Internet connection. If you really need push, then I'd suggest either going back to BB or getting an extended battery.

stevedebi said:
Using the push email features means that the phone keeps a constant connection to the Internet servers, transferring data continuously. That eats up the battery. I had the same symptoms when I set up Activesync to use push email from my gmail account. I stopped using push (which worked fine - when gmail got a new message, I IMMEDIATELY got a push email) and went back to manual checking. I don't use my gmail for primary email anyway, I was just checking the capability.
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It is my understanding that exchange push only connects when it receives a 'wake up' message from the server.
I use exchange push 24/7 and the few times that I have turned it off, I noticed no difference in battery life.

worwig said:
It is my understanding that exchange push only connects when it receives a 'wake up' message from the server.
I use exchange push 24/7 and the few times that I have turned it off, I noticed no difference in battery life.
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I think the issue is with the gmail push system. I suppose if one is using an actual MS Exchange mail system at a company it may work better.

Same with me when I have it set to "as items arrive" drains the battery fast !

I have Gmail push set up through ActiveSync and notice no impact on battery life. If anything, I get better battery life than when I had email set up as IMAP and checking the server every 30 minutes.

dwboston said:
I have Gmail push set up through ActiveSync and notice no impact on battery life. If anything, I get better battery life than when I had email set up as IMAP and checking the server every 30 minutes.
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Wow, I wonder why mine doesn't do that. Are you syncing just email or other data as well?

stevedebi said:
Wow, I wonder why mine doesn't do that. Are you syncing just email or other data as well?
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Just email. No contacts or calendar - I sync those from my PC at home.

My Touch Pro 2 uses about 2 Meg a day just in keeping the heartbeat alive for Windows Live with only the hotmail service active.
I worked this out as Windows Live runs as a service which is hosted by services.exe. If I monitor the bandwidth usage of services.exe, it works out to be about 2 Meg a day. (Verfied that hotmail was the only thing going through services by turning off hotmail and verifying that bandwidth usage of services.exe didn't increase.
I'm more concerned about bandwidth usage of Windows Live. However, I'm assuming that bandwidth usage = heat and battery life which are issues that started this thread.
Can anyone else confirm that they are seeing similar bandwidth usage just in maintaining the heartbeat?
Does anyone know how to reduce the heartbeat frequency? As that would reduce bandwidth usage, heat, battery life etc.
Thx. Paul

[Q] Native ICS email Exchange suddenly wakelocking?

Anyone using Exchange on the native email client suddenly notice a huge battery drain/wakelock with Exchange server?
I haven't changed my email setup in weeks and I've never had this problem before. My phone is a little over 5 hours off charger and at 19%! Exchange services is at 19% with a 1h 13m wakelock on BBS.
I have Gmail and Hotmail (yeah, yeah) accounts both set up as push. Only the Gmail syncs contacts and calendar (I've double-checked everything). I probably get ~20 emails/day or so.
Until today, I would get >24 hours with light usage, and a full day with heavier usage. This literally started today out of the blue.
I searched all of XDA and the GN forums specifically and didn't see anything that addressed this particular issue. Any suggestions?
TIA

Anyone?
The actual service is com.android.exchange.Exchange Services

somehow the native email push keeps running and waking up the phone..
so i just sent to never notify me.
and i manually click the app to check every now and then to solve this problem and maintain my battery life

king23adrianc said:
somehow the native email push keeps running and waking up the phone..
so i just sent to never notify me.
and i manually click the app to check every now and then to solve this problem and maintain my battery life
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The weird thing is that it just started doing this, even though I haven't changed any settings in weeks. And not having push email would suck...

This has happened to me from time to time on CM and AOSP ROMs, but not on my GN yet. It's a Google problem IIRC and something that they "fixed" in the past, but they obviously haven't.
I'd observe this 1/10 nightly ROM flashes so I'd keep an eye on it for the first couple of hours afterwards and kill it if it was starting to go rogue.
It's a known, flagged, issue (on Google) but I don't have the link handy.

i noticed similar Exchange Mail behavior on my phone with any ROM that i flashed. i narrowed the constant-sync to my calendar. when i disabled calendar sync, the battery drain stopped. my research suggested the problem was related to a corrupt calendar or recurring calendar entries. so i archived all my Exchange calendar entries (which removed them from my calendar) removed then re-added the Exchange account to my phone and finally restored the calendar entries i needed. so far, no issues and i've flashed 3 ROMs and the problem has not returned. somewhat extreme, but it worked!

I have no issues with stock Exchange and Gmail apps on rooted 4.0.4.
You could try deleting and recreating the email accounts to see if that helps.

Also got the issue this night. 25% gone after 4 hours sleep, wakelock because of the Exchange service ... Disabled google sync, then reenabled it 2 hours later, and no problem ... It gets stuck somehow sometimes ...

I had the same problem on my SGS2 on ICS. I finally had no choice but to migrate my email to Google Apps. In the end it was the best decision since the Archive function on the GMail app is amazing and it simply works 10x better than any Exchange ActiveSync client.
The Google Apps connector for Outlook also works almost as well as Exchange Server.

General native mail verses K9 and others???

I am doing what I can to conserve battery. I just got my S3 last night. I installed K9 because that is what I used on my previous Droids. I checked my battery info this morning and K9 is like 19%. I have it checking every 10 mins for new mail. Any of you know if the native app is push and does it draw off the battery as much?
Thanks!

Why every ten minutes, particularly when you (apparently) have the option of push?
I've never seen K9, properly configured (I normally use push), take more than 2-3% of battery use, even in e-mail-intense scenarios.

cause the option is there that says frequency with a time limit. I have to select something. Push isn't there.

I suppose it's possible that your mail provider doesn't support push (who is your mail provider?), but the frequency check isn't where the push setting is supposed to be. Look under Advanced in account settings for push settings; if that's set up properly (you will be able to see a "Push" next to the last time a mail folder was checked if so), you can disable normal polling altogether.

smelenchuk said:
I suppose it's possible that your mail provider doesn't support push (who is your mail provider?), but the frequency check isn't where the push setting is supposed to be. Look under Advanced in account settings for push settings; if that's set up properly (you will be able to see a "Push" next to the last time a mail folder was checked if so), you can disable normal polling altogether.
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Hmmm, so I just switched it to never and sent myself a test email to see if it comes in. That would be great if it works that way.

whats wrong with Google Gmail apps? its works great and wonderfully.

I have used k9 fit about a year and a half, generally have it at 30 minute poll interval but usually manually check for new mail about every 10. I get between 50 and 200 emails a day and k9 is never even close to showing up in the top 10 of my battery stats. Occasionally it will bug out and drain (about one a month or so) but a test cures this.
I would try to uninstall and reinstall if you are having regular issues with it. I have nothing but good things to say about this client, far better than any other i have tried.
Sent from my SGH-I747 using xda premium

EVOme said:
I am doing what I can to conserve battery. I just got my S3 last night. I installed K9 because that is what I used on my previous Droids. I checked my battery info this morning and K9 is like 19%. I have it checking every 10 mins for new mail. Any of you know if the native app is push and does it draw off the battery as much?
Thanks!
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I use K-9 with 2 imap accounts + gmail app and I can easily make 2 days on one charge.
I get the emails as soon as the server received them.
Are you using a pop account ?

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whats wrong with Google Gmail apps? its works great and wonderfully.
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How to you get it to work wonderfully with non-Gmail accounts? I have a non-Gmail IMAP account for work. As far as I can tell, the only way to use Gmail for this account is set up POP acesss to the account in Gmail. Using that approach, I get unacceptably long and and unpredictable delays in getting mail (typically a half hour to an hour). That doesn't work for me, which is unfornate because the stock emai app is utter crap.

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How to you get it to work wonderfully with non-Gmail accounts? I have a non-Gmail IMAP account for work. As far as I can tell, the only way to use Gmail for this account is set up POP acesss to the account in Gmail. Using that approach, I get unacceptably long and and unpredictable delays in getting mail (typically a half hour to an hour). That doesn't work for me, which is unfornate because the stock emai app is utter crap.
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Gmail app is only meant to receive mail from gmail. What people are talking about here only applies if you are using gmail. Afaik push is kind of supported on IMAP. Use the stock email app or k-9 to set it up that way.

Yes. I was trying to answer liquid's question about what us wrong with Gmail. The stock Samsung email does not support push (imap idle). I use Kaiten, which works pretty well.

GeorgeP said:
Yes. I was trying to answer liquid's question about what us wrong with Gmail. The stock Samsung email does not support push (imap idle). I use Kaiten, which works pretty well.
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Kaiten is on my list.. I definitely want to check it out, but just havent spent the $5 yet.

I'm on aokp jb. GPS on, Bluetooth always on. Always in 4g not lte. With Google including gmail etc to sync whenever gmail and calendar and that stuff does. Plus aokp lock screen weather and fancy widgets weather. I see a drain of about .75% an hour. The only time my battery drains is the moment I turn on the screen. I've noticed this with all android devices and too many people care about push and stuff. It doesn't make a difference IMO. Been on android since the g1 came out.
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I use k-9 with 2 POP accounts, one every 10 min and the other every 6 hours. After running the whole day it doesn't even show up in my battery list. The lowest one is media server at 1m 20s of CPU time and 2% of battery usage.
Low email volume today on those accounts so that's part of it, but I've never thought it was much of a drain. Once in a while I'll see it in the battery list, but I see the Gmail app in there more often.

Emails do not auto-sync

I've noticed that after I wake up, my new emails are not showing up. When I check my email app it says "last synced yesterday at x:xx". Right now I have it set at peak hours 6am-10pm 7 days a week refreshing every hour. I have checked my email at hours after i wake up at 7 and it will update when I open it. Afterwards it will sync every hour as normal. I think this is only happening when it's trying to come back from off-peak hours (which is set to never sync).
I've tried removing all accounts and deleting all app data but to no effect. My auto sync is on for everything including under settings > data usage. One thing I have noticed is that when you go to settings > email > [my account], the "last synced" time is different than if you go into the email app and see the "last synced" time.
I cant confirm but does not seem to be happening to my gmail account.
Anyone else having this issue?
Specs:
-T-889 on 7105 international rom by teshxx, dalvik/cache wiped.
-yahoo IMAP email
-no battery savers or anything that touches auto sync

Your probably saving battery
If your Gmail isn't syncing it probably isn't draining your battery, just saying.

JoshuOne said:
If your Gmail isn't syncing it probably isn't draining your battery, just saying.
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I do not have any problems with my gmail app..

In case anyone still has issues with this, I've found the solution. For incoming settings for yahoo mail you must use samsung.imap.mail.yahoo.com, I was only using imap.mail.yahoo.com which caused my phone (for some reason) to not sync initially when entering peak hours.