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So, i don't have a tv. But I want to get a ps3. Can I play ps3 on my epic somehow?
Odds are, no, you will never be able to, the ps3 has a 3.6ghz 8 core processor, we have a single core 1ghz processor.
I believe he was asking if he could hook up his PS3 to his Epic somehow as it were the TV. (i.e. output the PS3's video to our Epics)
But to answer the question, based on my knowledge, no. We dnt even have TV out working, I doubt our Epic's would be capable to output an outside video source. Many of our Devs wouldn't find this convinient either, so I doubt any of them would attempt to find a way to do this
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iatedeadpeople said:
Odds are, no, you will never be able to, the ps3 has a 3.6ghz 8 core processor, we have a single core 1ghz processor.
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3.2Ghz not 3.6Ghz but yeah highly unlikely the only thing i can come up with would be like a remote play kinda like the PSP has?
why not connect your ps3 to your pc or laptop.. just go to a radioshack, bestbuy, or computer/electronics store and get the adapter. thats it. i've seen it done.
seanwn86 said:
So, i don't have a tv. But I want to get a ps3. Can I play ps3 on my epic somehow?
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Why not go to the market and get Onlive it contains playstation3 games such as dirt saints row3 etc etc xD.
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iatedeadpeople said:
Odds are, no, you will never be able to, the ps3 has a 3.6ghz 8 core processor, we have a single core 1ghz processor.
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Actually our processors are 1.2ghz but samsuck underclocks them stock.
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While it may/may not *exist* it could happen or be ported in the future. How much of a mammoth task that'll be to undertake is a different story.
How? The PS Vita will be an Android devices which will allow a function similar to this, how it works, we're still uncertain of, but say it's as simple as an APK, say that apk was decompiled, then a big fat MAYBE If we had that hypothetical apk ported over with the correct libs alongside it. THEN you'd see some sort of PS3 on your epic, optimized for portability. As someone else said, if you're looking for nice portable console graphics right now on your epic, onlive is the way to go for now.
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They probably do that so noone burns them out
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Actually our processors are 1.2ghz but samsuck underclocks them stock.
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They probably do it as a compromise to the terrible Qualcomm radio chips that love to overheat when your downloading 3g/4g or tethering.
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They probably do it as a compromise to the terrible Qualcomm radio chips that love to overheat when your downloading 3g/4g or tethering.
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Kinda but the main reason for them to under-clock em is that well they do it to most processors in phones. they mainly do it so they can save a bit more battery and to compromise with where the market was i mean think it about it. 1.2GHz in 2010? 2011? yes. they don't want to advance to much so yea.......... Some phones have overclock from the manufacturer lol. But most phones nowadays are rated higher but under-clocked.
Ceelos09 said:
I believe he was asking if he could hook up his PS3 to his Epic somehow as it were the TV. (i.e. output the PS3's video to our Epics)
But to answer the question, based on my knowledge, no. We dnt even have TV out working, I doubt our Epic's would be capable to output an outside video source. Many of our Devs wouldn't find this convinient either, so I doubt any of them would attempt to find a way to do this
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Correct.
androidmaster1 said:
why not connect your ps3 to your pc or laptop.. just go to a radioshack, bestbuy, or computer/electronics store and get the adapter. thats it. i've seen it done.
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No TV, and no computer
Biggoron said:
Why not go to the market and get Onlive it contains playstation3 games such as dirt saints row3 etc etc xD.
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I'll check it out, thanks
Shinydude100 said:
While it may/may not *exist* it could happen or be ported in the future. How much of a mammoth task that'll be to undertake is a different story.
How? The PS Vita will be an Android devices which will allow a function similar to this, how it works, we're still uncertain of, but say it's as simple as an APK, say that apk was decompiled, then a big fat MAYBE If we had that hypothetical apk ported over with the correct libs alongside it. THEN you'd see some sort of PS3 on your epic, optimized for portability. As someone else said, if you're looking for nice portable console graphics right now on your epic, onlive is the way to go for now.
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Yea the PS vita is what made me think of it. Interesting that it's Android based. Now if I could just get my psp sold...
Really???? The PSP Vita has a Quadcore Processor @ 1GHz (ARM® Cortex™- A9 core (4 core)), GPU: SGX543MP4+ (200MHz)
In a sense good luck trying to port something thats so demanding to something thats never apt up to those specs haha.
Maybe once we get phones that are quadcore yes we know we are going to get them but they need to perform at high levels and sustain a cool temp. for the gpu which will be hard as it is with even dual core.
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Really???? The PSP Vita has a Quadcore Processor @ 1GHz (ARM® Cortex™- A9 core (4 core)), GPU: SGX543MP4+ (200MHz)
In a sense good luck trying to port something thats so demanding to something thats never apt up to those specs haha.
Maybe once we get phones that are quadcore yes we know we are going to get them but they need to perform at high levels and sustain a cool temp. for the gpu which will be hard as it is with even dual core.
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Where the hell have I been never even heard about the vita looks like I know what I'm gettin soon
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Where the hell have I been never even heard about the vita looks like I know what I'm gettin soon
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heres the playstion site about it, i got the chance to play with one but its not all that. The original Psp's were better except the PspGo that utterly sucked.
http://us.playstation.com/psvita/tech-specs/
And when i was playing around with it it was okay but a lot bigger than expected and the dual analog stick are alright but nothing to excited to get all happy about and the touch screen is mainly used only when not in a game, i mean i used during but it sucked not great for Shooters. And the lowdown is the newer XMB (Homescreen) isn't that great its more like someone threw icons on a table and said good luck finding stuff. because it seriously is all scrambled and you can slide up and down and yadadadada. The price for hardware is a good damn deal but for what its worth ehhhhhhhhhhh??? Not too sure on that.
PSP VITA:
1GHz Quad-Core A9
GPU is rated @ 200Mhz which is what are phones are stock and we have the ability to push it further
Multi-Touch Screen (OLED) (960 x 544) (5" Screen)
Dual analog sticks
Front and Rear Cameras
Built in GPS & WiFi
IEEE 802.11b/g/n
Bluetooth® 2.1+EDR (A2DP/AVRCP/HSP)
And other PSP VITA Versions:
$249.99 Has only WiFi
$299.99 Has 3G/WiFi
$349.99 Has a bundle kit with both 3G/Wifi
The 3G and WiFi version is AT&T's 3G Service
Also the PSP VITA is backwards compatibility and can play PS3 Games.
Regardless as a system its worth the money. As the UI goes its got some troubling issues haha. But can be fixed through an update im sure.
Only wished it had 4G too....BUMMER
Whatever I have my phone for the 3g why the hell would I need to spend 50-100 bucks more psh wifi hotspot ftw.
I love those hardware spec would love it more had they put an android os on or had possibility to. Id probably use it more for emulators most psp games are crap anyways and my phone can only handle 1.5ghz on n64 for so long.
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Whatever I have my phone for the 3g why the hell would I need to spend 50-100 bucks more psh wifi hotspot ftw.
I love those hardware spec would love it more had they put an android os on or had possibility to. Id probably use it more for emulators most psp games are crap anyways and my phone can only handle 1.5ghz on n64 for so long.
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Well like i said you can play ps3 games
So that's a big deal and your phone can only handle it for so long but this psp is a quad core it wont take so much pressure it has 4 cores to do work instead of pushing it to only one.
Plus so when your on the road and not near a WiFi Hotspot you can play like that instead of killing your phones battery just to play. plus its more reliable versus going through a tether.
Anyhow still a good product for the money but i wish the UI was a bit better and please PSP DEVS have more power than android does lol. I know because iv'e seen at first sight and hand. Regardless i'm sure they can put Android OS on it or whatever.
Wow I can oc my epic to 1.5ghz
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Wow I can oc my epic to 1.5ghz
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You can overclock it to be quad core and have a better GPU? Our phone is single core. Quad core can run 4 threads at once...
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You can overclock it to be quad core and have a better GPU? Our phone is single core. Quad core can run 4 threads at once...
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All we can do is have similar GPU clock rates but other than that we lose haha. Quadcore defintly wins unless we could overclock our phones to 5Ghz which would never happen lol
Slightly off topic considering it has little to do with the HTC One X and more to do with Tegra 3... but: caught this little gem yesterday http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ouya/ouya-a-new-kind-of-video-game-console
Basically it's a quad-core Tegra 3 board (I'm presuming it has the ninja core as well) with these features:
1GB of RAM
8GB of internal flash storage
HDMI connection to the TV, with support for up to 1080p HD
WiFi 802.11 b/g/n
Bluetooth LE 4.0
USB 2.0 (one)
Wireless controller with standard controls (two analog sticks, d-pad, eight action buttons, a system button), a touchpad (add $30 per extra controller)
Android 4.0 < more Tegra 3 love in other words
And the price is $119 shipped! ($99 if you live in America, which I guess, considering the nature of the product that has brought us together, less of you guys do than is common for forums )
So I guess what this means for us (other than a pretty epic deal on a very cool gadget) is that there will be more Tegra 3-based games being developed in the future, and generally more Tegra 3-based Linux development! Congratulations everyone!
Cheap console, cheap games, good graphics - recipe for like Nintendo era again :good:
Oh man!
That thing is gonna be awesome!!
maybe one should throw 225$ at them!
Ouya gaming console raises $2 million on Kickstarter, doesn't know what to do with it
When we first detailed the Ouya $99 Android-based game console yesterday, we had a feeling it would become a hot property over at Kickstarter. But still, there's no way we anticipated this: the project has just raised $2 million in its first day, having sped past its initial $950,000 goal within a record-breaking 12 hours. Now, in an email to backers, the project has asked for feedback on its "stretch goals" -- in other words, what it should do if it makes even more cash and is able to set its sights on loftier ambitions. If you're a backer then check your email, if you're a potential backer then check the source link, and if you're a traditional VC then weep.
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just watched the video
very impressive effort
so now we have Nvidia's THD initiative, Nexus 7, PS Mobile and Ouya
who needs overclocked Mali
consider this, how many devices will be based on mali? vs how many containing T3? you do the math
If you ask me Nvidia low cost to the masses tegra policy seems to be working like magic
It reminds me of this article Tegra 3's Graphics: Untapped Potential?
Saw this yesterday from a gaming site, it looks impressive. Might pick one up just for an emulator fact.
If I'm correct they said this device came easy to root and install anything you wanted. I'm excited to see this run.
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Raider0001 said:
Cheap console, cheap games, good graphics - recipe for like Nintendo era again :good:
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Honestly I think we can expect better graphics from this thing than the Wii! I'd like an ethernet port or 802.11ac WLAN though, 802.11n often isn't enough for 1080p content.
I saw this yesterday too. They hit their budget/investment requirement in hours! Its not a surprise as its a really really great idea if implemented well. People love gaming on tvs and since almost everyone owns one, picking up a console like this is very affordable. Its price beats most consoles on the market. Forget consoles, even Tegra3 smartphones such as the HOX and others.
On a side note good for gamers on the hox as it will definitely push the THD powered games market means more and better THD games on the market can possible come.
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Honestly I think we can expect better graphics from this thing than the Wii! I'd like an ethernet port or 802.11ac WLAN though, 802.11n often isn't enough for 1080p content.
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considering how its android,open source with a usb port and all....
you can add that in yourself... maybe not all by yourself but support will be there
death__machine said:
I saw this yesterday too. They hit their budget/investment requirement in hours! Its not a surprise as its a really really great idea if implemented well. People love gaming on tvs and since almost everyone owns one, picking up a console like this is very affordable. Its price beats most consoles on the market. Forget consoles, even Tegra3 smartphones such as the HOX and others.
On a side note good for gamers on the hox as it will definitely push the THD powered games market means more and better THD games on the market can possible come.
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there is one more important thing
T3 will not be left to dust unlike T2
TV consoles last for years and so no dev can simply neglect optimizing for it
if they collected backers this fast, imagine the sales for this thing
however i doubt they will hit their price point
they will also face another issue by the time this thing launches, T4 will start shipping and hence you have an outdated platfrom on day 1 and it won't keep up with the incredible pace of mobile
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they linked to this video from their spec list
i imagine Gameloft is starting to panick after all the hate they collected in Tegra3 owners
thunder07 said:
considering how its android,open source with a usb port and all....
you can add that in yourself... maybe not all by yourself but support will be there
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Actually now that you mention it and I think more, it could be as small or basic as a Rasberry Pi PC with a little bit more. But thats taking the price into consideration. If they really aim at 99$ or so thats how I would do it.
A small device with basic functionality such as wifi(necessary as console gamers won't be downloading .apks and such they would buy directly from play store) output for tv and input for controllers. Obviously the mainboard and some memory and a few usb ports but nothing extra.
hamdir said:
there is one more important thing
T3 will not be left to dust unlike T2
TV consoles last for years and so no dev can simply neglect optimizing for it
if they collected backers this fast, imagine the sales for this thing
however i doubt they will hit their price point
they will also face another issue by the time this thing launchs, T4 will start shipping and hence you have an outed platfrom on day 1 and it won't keep up with the incredible pace of mobile
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I haven't really looked up on Tegra2 but you sound like it just died. Tegra3 on the other hand is a huge success imo. HOX, Nexus 7, Ouya, etc. like you mentioned. The Tegra3+ they plan to release won't be as successful imo.
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Slightly off topic considering it has little to do with the HTC One X and more to do with Tegra 3... but: caught this little gem yesterday http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ouya/ouya-a-new-kind-of-video-game-console
Basically it's a quad-core Tegra 3 board (I'm presuming it has the ninja core as well) with these features:
1GB of RAM
8GB of internal flash storage
HDMI connection to the TV, with support for up to 1080p HD
WiFi 802.11 b/g/n
Bluetooth LE 4.0
USB 2.0 (one)
Wireless controller with standard controls (two analog sticks, d-pad, eight action buttons, a system button), a touchpad (add $30 per extra controller)
Android 4.0 < more Tegra 3 love in other words
And the price is $119 shipped! ($99 if you live in America, which I guess, considering the nature of the product that has brought us together, less of you guys do than is common for forums )
So I guess what this means for us (other than a pretty epic deal on a very cool gadget) is that there will be more Tegra 3-based games being developed in the future, and generally more Tegra 3-based Linux development! Congratulations everyone!
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Ninja Core xD
death__machine said:
Actually now that you mention it and I think more, it could be as small or basic as a Rasberry Pi PC with a little bit more. But thats taking the price into consideration. If they really aim at 99$ or so thats how I would do it.
A small device with basic functionality such as wifi(necessary as console gamers won't be downloading .apks and such they would buy directly from play store) output for tv and input for controllers. Obviously the mainboard and some memory and a few usb ports but nothing extra.
I haven't really looked up on Tegra2 but you sound like it just died. Tegra3 on the other hand is a huge success imo. HOX, Nexus 7, Ouya, etc. like you mentioned. The Tegra3+ they plan to release won't be as successful imo.
Ninja Core xD
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the 5th core can be used in a console differently to drive the UI and free the other cores for their main job
their release date is march
dunno its starting to feel we are going backwards after all the advancing we made with the PS3/Xbox360
why do we need this when the next gen is around the corner?
T3 makes sense in a mobile but as a console i dunno
I nearly brought this I even entered my details then cancelled.
This is why I wanted it- cheap and more than likely be worth more than the money you pay for it. It looks great.
The reason why I cancelled is yes games on my phone are great but personally I don't think they compare to a console.
I don't see a lot of devs making games expecially for this either. I just see this playing phone or tablet games on my tv.
I can do this already if I buy a cable for my phone and use a bluetooth controller.
I hope they do well as more tegra 3 games for us would be great
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colemanuk said:
I nearly brought this I even entered my details then cancelled.
This is why I wanted it- cheap and more than likely be worth more than the money you pay for it. It looks great.
The reason why I cancelled is yes games on my phone are great but personally I don't think they compare to a console.
I don't see a lot of devs making games expecially for this either. I just see this playing phone or tablet games on my tv.
I can do this already if I buy a cable for my phone and use a bluetooth controller.
I hope they do well as more tegra 3 games for us would be great
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yea my thoughts exactly
by the way the N7 doesnt have MHL support if i am correct?
This would have actually been a no brainer for gameloft if you think about it
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hamdir said:
the 5th core can be used in a console differently to drive the UI and free the other cores for their main job
their release date is march
dunno its starting to feel we are going backwards after all the advancing we made with the PS3/Xbox360
why do we need this when the next gen is around the corner?
T3 makes sense in a mobile but as a console i dunno
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I don't think ouya is really aiming at the hardcore gaming market, the Wii came around the same time as the Xbox 360 and the PS3, yet it wasn't nearly as good, that's because they went for the casual and younger gamer, and their needs are very likely both met and exceeded by the Tegra 3.
And yeah, 5th core could power background tasks like say a chat network similar to what Xbox live has.
colemanuk said:
I nearly brought this I even entered my details then cancelled.
This is why I wanted it- cheap and more than likely be worth more than the money you pay for it. It looks great.
The reason why I cancelled is yes games on my phone are great but personally I don't think they compare to a console.
I don't see a lot of devs making games expecially for this either. I just see this playing phone or tablet games on my tv.
I can do this already if I buy a cable for my phone and use a bluetooth controller.
I hope they do well as more tegra 3 games for us would be great
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You do realise that you don't buy things on Kickstarter right, you fund projects, and your money wouldn't have been taken from your bank account until the 9th of August.
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This would have actually been a no brainer for gameloft if you think about it
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so far im puzzled as their attitude toward the T3
if you look at the A7 config files, its detecting the game as "medium_android" with almost everything off, not a single reference to tegra
its as if it doesn't exists
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I don't think ouya is really aiming at the hardcore gaming market, the Wii came around the same time as the Xbox 360 and the PS3, yet it wasn't nearly as good, that's because they went for the casual and younger gamer, and their needs are very likely both met and exceeded by the Tegra 3.
And yeah, 5th core could power background tasks like say a chat network similar to what Xbox live has.
You do realise that you don't buy things on Kickstarter right, you fund projects, and your money wouldn't have been taken from your bank account until the 9th of August.
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Err yeah duhhhh.
I pay $99 I get console that's all I care about I'm not in it for charity
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Err yeah duhhhh.
I pay $99 I get console that's all I care about I'm not in it for charity
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i would take the N7 instead with a blind eye but google shot it in the legs by removing MHL support
its just hit me! this thing will fly!
OnLive and this are a match made in heaven, but I think they need an Ethernet port
the more I think of it the more I feel tegra3 is just ingenious, yes the sgs3 processor is stronger and the snapdragon 4 is more efficient
but we r missing the point, t3 is ingenious because of its older process and low cost nature, as well as prism, direct touch, lp core and amazing media abilities
add to this a ready gaming centric SDK and u can see why they r selling them like hot cakes
as a whole t3 is the best solution out there, its unique, capable and well supported
I dont think qualcomm has a chance of catching up this round
when NV ceo answered we will release quad first and then devs will figure out how to u use it, he was spot on!
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its just hit me! this thing will fly! - ENGAGE BRAIN LESS BULL**** MODE SON!
OnLive and this are a match made in heaven, but I think they need an Ethernet port - YEA BUT ON LIVE IS **** I BETA TESTED IT
the more I think of it the more I feel tegra3 is just ingenious, yes the sgs3 processor is stronger and the snapdragon 4 is more efficient - MY GTX570 is more efficient!!!
but we r missing the point, t3 is ingenious because of its older process and low cost nature, as well as prism, direct touch, lp core and amazing media abilities - MY PC CAN PLAY ANYTHING
add to this a ready gaming centric SDK and u can see why they r selling them like hot cakes - I DONT NEED AND SKD TO DEVELOP FOR PC!
as a whole t3 is the best solution out there, its unique, capable and well supported - ITS NOT USE YOUR BRAIN
I dont think qualcomm has a chance of catching up this round - THEY DONT NEED TO
when NV ceo answered we will release quad first and then devs will figure out how to u use it, he was spot on!
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Dont be fukin stupid. Why would anyone buy a device which can do less than my PC, and less than my phone....
By Gameloft in the graphics department on their games? Nova3 and MC4 we loose shadows and particle effects just to name 2 things. Even though devices like the nexus 10 or nexus 4 can easily handle them they don't get effects either. My GNex played NOVA3 with CF glitch perfectly. Why Gameloft no love v us you think? :3 at least madfinger gives us love I guess :|
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They probably get a Tegra3 kickback from Nvidia.
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They probably get a Tegra3 kickback from Nvidia.
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I'm talking about android in general, even on the nexus 7 they are disabled
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I'd be willing to bet its because of app piracy, and considering how easy it is to pirate an android app vs. an iOS app.
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I'd be willing to bet its because of app piracy, and considering how easy it is to pirate an android app vs. an iOS app.
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That'd be like developers making games for Mac and giving windows a **** version. Piracy will happen regardless of platform and if someone is going to pirate it wont matter if its iOS or android they'll get it done just the same
Edit: also by that logic why release it at all?
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By Gameloft in the graphics department on their games? Nova3 and MC4 we loose shadows and particle effects just to name 2 things. Even though devices like the nexus 10 or nexus 4 can easily handle them they don't get effects either. My GNex played NOVA3 with CF glitch perfectly. Why Gameloft no love v us you think? :3 at least madfinger gives us love I guess :|
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Because iOS is the lead platform and it's not worth the money to put additional effort into optimizing for hundreds of combination of hardware running Android. This is where iOS is more awesome than Android.
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Because iOS is the lead platform and it's not worth the money to put additional effort into optimizing for hundreds of combination of hardware running Android. This is where iOS is more awesome than Android.
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Yea ik T.T I just don't like to admit it ... Gameloft makes games I wanna play but they're lazy bastards :| really wish android wasnt considered the ugly step child they gotta pay some attention to by some of the lead developers. Makes you wonder how long they plan looking at android that way.
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ECOTOX said:
Yea ik T.T I just don't like to admit it ... Gameloft makes games I wanna play but they're lazy bastards :| really wish android wasnt considered the ugly step child they gotta pay some attention to by some of the lead developers. Makes you wonder how long they plan looking at android that way.
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Like any industry we're going to see a consolidation of suppliers. For internals I'm thinking Samsung and Qualcomm, (Texas Instruments has dropped out, right?). For screen resolution I think it's still a crapshoot, hopefully we'll have settled on 1280 x 720 (OH HAI NEXUS 4 with your silly 768 width resolution, I thought Nexus was the reference. Will the reference change every year? That's nice).
But yeah, once everyone's on Samsung and Qualcomm silicon then maybe it'll be slightly easier for the devs to dev on Android.
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Like any industry we're going to see a consolidation of suppliers. For internals I'm thinking Samsung and Qualcomm, (Texas Instruments has dropped out, right?). For screen resolution I think it's still a crapshoot, hopefully we'll have settled on 1280 x 720 (OH HAI NEXUS 4 with your silly 768 width resolution, I thought Nexus was the reference. Will the reference change every year? That's nice).
But yeah, once everyone's on Samsung and Qualcomm silicon then maybe it'll be slightly easier for the devs to dev on Android.
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I suppose, but I see this mostly happening with big names. Smaller companies seem to have less problems but it's too much for the likes of Gameloft and others? The zenonia games for example I've had no problems with since my G1 back in the day. It's run on every device and every OS that I've had no issues. I don't think it's a matter of " difficulty" it's a matter of laziness. I will say in regards to hardware that I wouldn't count nvidia out so much I'm not a fan of them but I think that nvidia, Qualcomm, and Samsung will be the big three (sad to see Texas instrument go :c) Intel and AMD don't have much chance in the space outside of maybe tablets, I don't see them doing well in regards to phones. Though I would like to seem a dual core AMD APU with a radeon Chip in my phone or tablet
Edit: my opinion of laziness would also stem from the fact that Nova 3 hasn't worked on my GNex in almost two months since the last update and Gameloft has yet to fix it. The fact that they manage to break support then just don't fix it is ridiculous. No communication on the matter or anything.
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By difficulty I really means time and money. One thing I've learned since working in QA on mobile projects is that developers aren't lazy, management jus doesn't let them fix things due to the money involved.they would rather put money towards a new game for more sales while maintaining some semblance of quality, at least that's the idea. Some go for quantity of games over quality but in the long run they'll hurt themselves.
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By difficulty I really means time and money. One thing I've learned since working in QA on mobile projects is that developers aren't lazy, management jus doesn't let them fix things due to the money involved.they would rather put money towards a new game for more sales while maintaining some semblance of quality, at least that's the idea. Some go for quantity of games over quality but in the long run they'll hurt themselves.
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Agreed. That's why in this day and age u only have respect for some game developers. My list would go towards valve corporation as they still provide free dlc and bit releasing games that aren't done. My second goes to blizzard entertainment.
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Steam on Android needs to happen soon. And I mean "real" Steam.
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Because iOS is the lead platform and it's not worth the money to put additional effort into optimizing for hundreds of combination of hardware running Android. This is where iOS is more awesome than Android.
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Pretty sure android is the top platform.
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Pretty sure android is the top platform.
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Too much hardware differentiation from a dev standpoint.
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By difficulty I really means time and money. One thing I've learned since working in QA on mobile projects is that developers aren't lazy, management jus doesn't let them fix things due to the money involved.they would rather put money towards a new game for more sales while maintaining some semblance of quality, at least that's the idea. Some go for quantity of games over quality but in the long run they'll hurt themselves.
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I know the individuals themselves aren't lazy I don't blamed the employee I blame the company they work for. Gameloft needs to get it straight that quality will earn them loyalty and in the long run five them better revenue due to a better reputation. Like Valve for instance, I'd buy any game they made in a heartbeat because I know the company as a whole provides quality games and customer support. Favoring a given platform in the mobile space with how it's evolving isnt gonna be the way to go. Companies need to look at the mobile space similar to the desktop/laptop gaming space not like consoles. Phones/tablets are closer to desktops/laptops in function and need to be treated as such. That's just my opinion c:
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Too much hardware differentiation from a dev standpoint.
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In regards to games the functionality between devices isn't much different then how it is with everyday PCs. You got gaming rigs, low end laptops, etc. With single, dual, quads, some only support up to SSE2 instructions, some have GPU with steam core or the old pixel/vertex processor type. The mobile space is no different than regular computers in that regard. The processors are mostly ARM based or arm compatible which due to dalvik isn't a concern. GPU all have support for pretty much the same functions with some difference in things like supported texture formats. There really is no excuse as the mobile space isn't bringing anything radical to the table.
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Steam on Android needs to happen soon. And I mean "real" Steam.
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What would be considered "real" Steam? Valve making a source engine for Android and allownig devs to use it? ... hmm now that I loudly pointed that out, it is a pretty nice initiative if a source engine was made. I saw ports of CS and Portal 2 (which VALVE told the developer to take it off and the dev stopped the project) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6e9JhE9miOg
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What would be considered "real" Steam? Valve making a source engine for Android and allownig devs to use it? ... hmm now that I loudly pointed that out, it is a pretty nice initiative if a source engine was made. I saw ports of CS and Portal 2 (which VALVE told the developer to take it off and the dev stopped the project) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6e9JhE9miOg
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I heard rumor valve was considering it somewhere :3 steam that is
And I'd love to see a source port to mobile c:
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Hello,
I was going to buy this tablet soon but I just found out about the Tegra 4 CPU.
It is supposed to have better performance than SnapDragon S4 CPU which the Nexus 7 flo tablet has.
Do you think I should wait until a 7 inch Tegra 4 Tablet comes onto the market or should I buy the Nexus 7 now?
Thanks,
The Doolster
Kindle Fire HD 2 will supposedly have the Snapdragon 800. The Nexus will have more development support including kernels to overclock the CPU to 2GHz+.
Do whatever will make you happy. If you're the patient type then just wait.
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Kindle Fire HD 2 will supposedly have the Snapdragon 800. The Nexus will have more development support including kernels to overclock the CPU to 2GHz+.
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Why the heck would a kindle need a sd800?
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Why the heck would a kindle need a sd800?
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Gotta be able to flip those pages faster than you can blink, yo.
Tegra 4 and SD 800 are just days to a few months away. They have the potential to be awesome.
That said this S4 is more of a SD 600 than a S4 and as you can see from the Dev section, can be clocked to 2.1 or possibly even 2.3 GHz. The GPU can also be OCed to 487. This machine will give all a user needs if they like the 7 inch form factor at a very reasonable price.
Also while the SD 800 is awesome to unlock it past the potential already achieved by the Devs on this one will take a good Dev on that device. So
Honestly as a user, if you like a 7 inch tablet this is the one for this year IMHO. But if your a tech geek like me well... I like to buy them all lol.
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Why the heck would a kindle need a sd800?
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I am just reading that and baffled myself Lmao.
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Tegra 4 and SD 800 are just days to a few months away. They have the potential to be awesome.
That said this S4 is more of a SD 600 than a S4 and as you can see from the Dev section, can be clocked to 2.1 or possibly even 2.3 GHz. The GPU can also be OCed to 487. This machine will give all a user needs if they like the 7 inch form factor at a very reasonable price.
Also while the SD 800 is awesome to unlock it past the potential already achieved by the Devs on this one will take a good Dev on that device. So
Honestly as a user, if you like a 7 inch tablet this is the one for this year IMHO. But if your a tech geek like me well... I like to buy them all lol.
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I'm thinking that I should just get this tab and be happy with it for a year or more. I mean the most intensive game I play is Riptide GP2, and my Nexus 4 runs that fine on stock with high settings. I will also be doing some emulation on it, but if my Nexus 4 can run it, the Nexus 7 will be able to even better
2.3 GHz is insane for a mobile device that is $230. But since money is pretty tight for me maybe a $230 tablet is probably all I will be able to afford. And about the Kindle Fire, those have always been bad for development and I like to have root and custom roms, and stuff.
So I think this will be the tablet that I'm going to get.
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I am just reading that and baffled myself Lmao.
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Kindle community's for me is meh. But if nook follows in the steps of kindle well then that could be an inexpensive toy with some real nice specs after root and rom.
Never trust nVidia's promises or even their benchmarks. Their chips ALWAYS look killer on paper, but they are almost always very buggy and don't work the way nVidia claims they should. Check out every Tegra device made, short of the Nexus 7. Updates very rarely came, and when they did they were buggy and crappy. Even the Nexus 7 on 4.2 was a step backwards in terms of battery, speed, usability, etc. I won't touch another Tegra device until they prove otherwise.
The SnapDragon 800, on the other hand, while yes, it will be faster than the new N7, I don't believe will make its way into many 7" devices. Its just not necessary. The CPU isn't much faster than the current 600. Its main claim to fame will be its GPU. And 10"+ tablets and devices will begin having 4K resolution screens shortly, IMHO, where that will be needed. SnapDragon 800 in a ChromeBook would be fantastic as well.
Hello,
the Tegra 4 SoC do not support OpenGL ES 3.0 fully.
If you want to enjoy AAA games or apps in the near future you might not be able to do so.
Also most of the recent Tegra SoC had bad sound quality through headphones and tend to overheat.
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You will not need anything more powerful then this device for a long while. This CPU/GPU are overkill as it is for any Android game made today.
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You will not need anything more powerful then this device for a long while. This CPU/GPU are overkill as it is for any Android have made today.
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However, we don't know what KeyLimePie will bring this fall. What is overkill now may be barely cutting it on a new OS.
i use to be all about tegra myself but tegra is not all that good. battery life is horrible and there are heat issues, the htc one x i had got pretty freaking hot. i wanted a tegra 4 tablet like the new toshiba excite but for $480<==F that. i already spent $400 for preordering my ps4 so im not gonna spend that kind of money on a tablet. Nexus 7 is perfect and lightweight. its $270 i can run android games and emulators. with a rooted nexus 7 you can bluetooth a ps3 controller to it for those games and emulators. plus it runs the default android OS which is the best OS out there. The nexus 7 will have a lot more support from devs for kernels, roms, mods, etc...... Seriously buy a nexus 7 and with the money, give it a nice case. kernels for this device can OC the cpu/gpu as well.
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Doubtful..
Do you think they would release something that would render 95% of devices to be barely able to even run it including their very own devices?
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Doubtful..
Do you think they would release something that would render 95% of devices to be barely able to even run it including their very own devices?
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No, I don't THINK that will happen, but let's be honest. 95% of devices won't get KLP anyways. I'm not saying it wont run it, just that the overkill may not be overkill in 5 months. History says otherwise, but look at apple updates. Sometimes the new releases run like crap on older devices.
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Never trust nVidia's promises or even their benchmarks. Their chips ALWAYS look killer on paper, but they are almost always very buggy and don't work the way nVidia claims they should. Check out every Tegra device made, short of the Nexus 7. Updates very rarely came, and when they did they were buggy and crappy. Even the Nexus 7 on 4.2 was a step backwards in terms of battery, speed, usability, etc. I won't touch another Tegra device until they prove otherwise.
The SnapDragon 800, on the other hand, while yes, it will be faster than the new N7, I don't believe will make its way into many 7" devices. Its just not necessary. The CPU isn't much faster than the current 600. Its main claim to fame will be its GPU. And 10"+ tablets and devices will begin having 4K resolution screens shortly, IMHO, where that will be needed. SnapDragon 800 in a ChromeBook would be fantastic as well.
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WOW!!!! Apparently you've never heard of or seen the Asus Infinity (10.1" with Tegra 3)!!!! I don't know what you mean about "updates very rarely came". Asus was amongst the first, if not the first, to release 4.2 on the Infinity!! Buggy? Not at alll!!! Games look and play amazing on it!! Has a mini HDMI port on the side of the tablet for connecting it up to a TV. I've played many games for many hours with my Infinity connected to my TV, and using a PS3 controller and the Sixaxis app. Never an issue or hiccup of any kind what so ever!! It also has the best looking display on ANY device in my opinion!
Before dogging all Tegra devices, you REALLY need some hands on experience with them!!!
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WOW!!!! Apparently you've never heard of or seen the Asus Infinity (10.1" with Tegra 3)!!!! I don't know what you mean about "updates very rarely came". Asus was amongst the first, if not the first, to release 4.2 on the Infinity!! Buggy? Not at alll!!! Games look and play amazing on it!! Has a mini HDMI port on the side of the tablet for connecting it up to a TV. I've played many games for many hours with my Infinity connected to my TV, and using a PS3 controller and the Sixaxis app. Never an issue or hiccup of any kind what so ever!! It also has the best looking display on ANY device in my opinion!
Before dogging all Tegra devices, you REALLY need some hands on experience with them!!!
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I assure you, I have PLENTY of Tegra device experience. Moto Xoom, LG G2x, Nexus 7, Droid X2, HTC One X+, development in general for all devices. Believe me when I say, nVidia says things work one way, and more often than not, they don't. They require a LOT of extra development workarounds and time to optimize and get them to behave acceptably. I have a feeling that Asus benefited from the Google relationship with the Nexus 7 being a Tegra 3 and applied that knowledge to the rest of their devices. If Asus was willing to spend the time and engineering brains to figure out all those work arounds, kudos to them. Most other manufacturers were not. Even things that are EASY to develop for barely get Android updates, and if theres any sign of it not working right, they just throw in the towel.
The original Nexus 7 worked well, and I'm not saying your Asus tablet doesn't, but the vast majority of nVidia powered devices are not good in the long run.
Check out this article about the history of the way nVidia has dealt with the Tegra chips.
http://semiaccurate.com/2013/02/18/nvidias-telegraphs-tegras-woes-at-ces/
Also, sweet Mustang. I happen to drive a 64 Mercury Comet wagon with a 427FE that runs high 8's. Its a Dyno Don car. I dont own it, just drive it, but its a blast.
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WOW!!!! Apparently you've never heard of or seen the Asus Infinity (10.1" with Tegra 3)!!!! I don't know what you mean about "updates very rarely came". Asus was amongst the first, if not the first, to release 4.2 on the Infinity!! Buggy? Not at alll!!! Games look and play amazing on it!! Has a mini HDMI port on the side of the tablet for connecting it up to a TV. I've played many games for many hours with my Infinity connected to my TV, and using a PS3 controller and the Sixaxis app. Never an issue or hiccup of any kind what so ever!! It also has the best looking display on ANY device in my opinion!
Before dogging all Tegra devices, you REALLY need some hands on experience with them!!!
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Tegra Devices in general are just bleh. Video play back always seems lacking. /shrug
Asus will only update their devices once. maybe twice. That isn't support. They only do that as they have a "Life cycle" of their devices. Once reached. Its end of line.
Best display? Lol you lost me there.
The Tegra 4's CPU is equal or better than the SD 800. The Tegra 4's GPU is also equal or better than the Adreno 330.
For those saying that the battery life is horrible - what are you smoking? One of the things the Tegra 3 was lauded for was battery life. Anandtech recorded 18 HOURS of video playback with the Tegra 4 - not even the iPad could touch that.
IMO, the Tegra 4 is a premium SoC. If you really want the latest and greatest, wait for the Tegra 4. Otherwise, the N7v2 will do just fine.
Don't kid yourselves into thinking the Tegra 4 is horrible though...
i know this sounds ridiculous i was wondering if even remotely possible with the finest engineers and a lot of cash how much would it cost me to upgrade the processor, RAM and internal memory of the xperia play?
now before you shoot this idea down i have been reading that theres some people out there with rework machines soldering and upgrading phone chips
Here's a example
now i know it sounds impossible but if this is possible i would pump out some SERIOUS cash to get this done. im sure some freelance engineer might know how.:fingers-crossed:
Impossible.
SoC....
System On Chip...
CPU, memory and graphic are actually one single chip. On xperia Play, it's Snapdragon MSM8255. It have Scorpion single-core CPU, Dual-channel 333 MHz LPDDR2 and Andreno 205 graphic. But it's still a single chip.
Mobile smartphone are NOT PC. they don't have separated CPU, memory and graphic. their's hardware are predesigned to match sertain SoC (only internal storage can vary between same SoC).
Maybe (and i repeat, maybe), theoreticly, internal storage can be expanded in a way of your idea...
Perhaps there's need to find another phone also with 1 integrated chip in the same matter but of higher specs
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xdarkmario said:
Perhaps there's need to find another phone also with 1 integrated chip in the same matter but of higher specs
R800z
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I secretly wish they would make a full hd xperia play with a snapdragon 601 or maybe even better, a Tegra chip, top that off with 2gb ram and 16 gb internal memory and you really got a great gaming device.
maybe enough posting such useless hope posts?
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whatever, if you find device with same soc and more ram it may be possible. swapping nand or soc require new parts, that are pin-to-pin compatible, dont think that such exist through.
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I secretly wish they would make a full hd xperia play with a snapdragon 601 or maybe even better, a Tegra chip, top that off with 2gb ram and 16 gb internal memory and you really got a great gaming device.
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It's called an Nvidia Shield.
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Not useless post just making conversation and thoughts I mean if I seen another phone do it I'm curious to try it
Because unfortunately Sony's not one to listen to their users so all we can do is dream hope and modify
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It's called an Nvidia Shield.
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Lol
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Nukkus said:
It's called an Nvidia Shield.
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I'm aware of the nvidia shield, thank you
It's too bulky though.
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I'm aware of the nvidia shield, thank you
It's too bulky though.
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yea i wanted the nvidia shield but its entirely too huge 0__0 its more of a home console and for a android powered home console i would just get the ouya.
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I'm aware of the nvidia shield, thank you
It's too bulky though.
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So would be your dream device that you described.
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So would be your dream device that you described.
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don't get smart with me, kid.
I never specified any screen size or general size.
If the shield would have a design like the xplay, i'd get it
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don't get smart with me, kid.
I never specified any screen size or general size.
If the shield would have a design like the xplay, i'd get it
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Dude, do you know anything about design engineering? The hardware you posted needs significant size, the shield isn't bulky for the hell of it, it needs proper cooling and ventilation. And don't call me kid, i'm probably 20 years older than you at least.
These threads are ridiculous. Think or use google next time.
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These threads are ridiculous. Think or use google next time.
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That pretty much sums things up.
You would probably be better off modding a newer phones housing to fit a game pad and program the software for it
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You would probably be better off modding a newer phones housing to fit a game pad and program the software for it
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you know i was also thinking that, find a way to make the bottom half of the xperia play attachable on other phones and connect via bluetooth
but the idea of a boosted xperia play had more imagination lol
just killing time untill KitKat is mainstream on xperia play, im still dreaming...
Well your gunna need a lot of soldering skills and software development skills to mod a new chip in....remember that guy a long time ago that tried to solder a HDMI to his phone but he failed.....and to think that that was just HDMI not a whole new SoC
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Well your gunna need a lot of soldering skills and software development skills to mod a new chip in....remember that guy a long time ago that tried to solder a HDMI to his phone but he failed.....and to think that that was just HDMI not a whole new SoC
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The hardware was there if it was mounted correctly defiantly.
It just needed a good software implementation, something probably hard to do not to mention that'd there probably need to be big backend stuff done in the kernel e.t.c.
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That's why I would pay a phone engineer to do it. Or a ex Sony employee lol
Well upgrading xperia play should be theoretically possible. If the pinout of the more powerfull version of soc would match the pinout of the current soc it probably should work. However the only faster soc which pinout probably match with the current soc is MSM8255T but it is only 500 MHz overclocked version of the current chip. So performance gain would be marginal :/