question about note 2 pen missing alert function.
Does anyone know what technology using for this feature. proximity sensor or accelerometer? or using EMR technique?
I am so curious.
I was wondering about the same thing.
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It appears to be accelerometer based. If you take the pen out, put the phone on the table, and walk away with the pen, the phone doesn't seem to react. Do the opposite, and the phone lets you know, if the function is enabled.
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somnifac said:
It appears to be accelerometer based. If you take the pen out, put the phone on the table, and walk away with the pen, the phone doesn't seem to react. Do the opposite, and the phone lets you know, if the function is enabled.
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I know in order to trigger the alert, you need to satisfy 2 conditions: pen is 10 ft. away from phone && phone needs to in motion
obviously, the 2nd condition implies using accelerometer to sense the axis of the phone. What about the 10 ft away. what sensor is used to measure this? proximity sensor? or some EMR? I dont think EMR can transfer any signals in 10 ft distance.
Thank you
You do not need to be 10' away to trigger the alert. You can remove the pen, place it on your desk, power off the screen and gently shake the phone to simulate walking. It seems it's just using the accelerometer to detect walking like motion.
Other things that will trigger the alert:
Removing the pen, placing it in one pocket and the phone in another pocket and walking.
Removing the pen, placing it on a chair in the middle of the room, placing the phone in your pocket, and walking around the chair.
I have tried all 3 methods above. Proximity has nothing to do with it.
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You do not need to be 10' away to trigger the alert. You can remove the pen, place it on your desk, power off the screen and gently shake the phone to simulate walking. It seems it's just using the accelerometer to detect walking like motion.
Other things that will trigger the alert:
Removing the pen, placing it in one pocket and the phone in another pocket and walking.
Removing the pen, placing it on a chair in the middle of the room, placing the phone in your pocket, and walking around the chair.
I have tried all 3 methods above. Proximity has nothing to do with it.
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Great experiment!!!
some article misleads me saying 10' distance.
now it is clear
Thank you very much
Interesting. I tested this last week by putting the pen on my kitchen table then walking at least 100 feet away from my house outside and nada. Oh and yes, I have S Pen keeper enabled and I'm running stock Deodexed.
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Galaxy note 2 is designed very user friendly like when you remove S-pen, it will show you the S-note menu, When you insert the earphone, it will show you the music app. I have also experienced this S-pen detachment alert that is really an awesome feature.
Jocelyn said:
Interesting. I tested this last week by putting the pen on my kitchen table then walking at least 100 feet away from my house outside and nada. Oh and yes, I have S Pen keeper enabled and I'm running stock Deodexed.
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If you hold the phone while you walk, like you would while using it, it won't trigger the alert. It needs to think it's been put away, like in a pocket or holder of some kind.
somnifac said:
If you hold the phone while you walk, like you would while using it, it won't trigger the alert. It needs to think it's been put away, like in a pocket or holder of some kind.
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Screen just needs to be off IMHO. pull the S-pen out put it on your desk. Then with the warning turned on, shake your phone. Doesn't matter if the S-pen is 6 inches away or 100 ft. So long as the screen is off and the phone senses motion it'll trigger IME.
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Screen just needs to be off IMHO. pull the S-pen out put it on your desk. Then with the warning turned on, shake your phone. Doesn't matter if the S-pen is 6 inches away or 100 ft. So long as the screen is off and the phone senses motion it'll trigger IME.
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Thank You, that did the trick
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Hey guys,
I was talking with a guy from my bank the other day, and the guy was mumbling something which I couldn't hear, and after asking him what did he say, he said I was pressing some keys on the phone which was a bit annoying..
but in reality I was just holding the phone to my ear and my cheek was dialing.. too embarassing.. :/
I know theres this proximity sensor on the Samsung Galaxy S, but I dont know when it is used exactly.. So if it isnt used specifically in situations like this (during call) then I think there must be a mod...
Can a Mod be built such that when the phone is held against the ear during the call, the phone gets locked, the keypad gets tucked in and display brightness gets dimmed and when its moved away from ear it gets unlocked by itself (even if there's a pattern lock), the keypad comes back on the screen and display brightness goes back to normal?
is this cool or stupid? you decide...
The proximity sensor works like this. When you cover the sensor, usually with your ear or side of your head while talking, it turns off the screen. Maybe yours is faulty? Mine is working very well, a lot better than on my previous device.
Are you female? Or do you have long hair?
My moto milestone too had that issue with long hair. It was a bad proximity sensor.
I have not had any such issues with my galaxy. : touch wood :
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aditya_t90 said:
Are you female? Or do you have long hair?
My moto milestone too had that issue with long hair. It was a bad proximity sensor.
I have not had any such issues with my galaxy. : touch wood :
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I have long hair I have the same problem... Is there a way to hold the screen ? While on the phone? Because i didnt find one..
omzart said:
I have long hair I have the same problem... Is there a way to hold the screen ? While on the phone? Because i didnt find one..
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You can NEVER HOLD A PHONE WRONG(well unless that phone is an apple)
Try asking someone else who has long hair to make calls and see if the sensor works or not.
Then do the same thing with someone that has short hair, i.e. no hair over the ears.
If your tests are inconclusive, download the sensor test from the market and see what happens when it is placed near your palm first.
If it works as it is supposed to then next try your ear and face...tuck you hair in once. If it still works then try it without tucking your hair.
I really hope samsung did not use those defective moto sensors.
tl;dr version download sensor test from the market and ask a bunch of people to check the sensor.(You will see everything on the screen. You dont need to make half a dozen calls)
Get back and we will see what happens next
All the best
aditya_t90 said:
You can NEVER HOLD A PHONE WRONG(well unless that phone is an apple)
Try asking someone else who has long hair to make calls and see if the sensor works or not.
Then do the same thing with someone that has short hair, i.e. no hair over the ears.
If your tests are inconclusive, download the sensor test from the market and see what happens when it is placed near your palm first.
If it works as it is supposed to then next try your ear and face...tuck you hair in once. If it still works then try it without tucking your hair.
I really hope samsung did not use those defective moto sensors.
tl;dr version download sensor test from the market and ask a bunch of people to check the sensor.(You will see everything on the screen. You dont need to make half a dozen calls)
Get back and we will see what happens next
All the best
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I meant an hold button http://www.dvhardware.net/reviews/freecombeatman/4.jpg
sorry ^^
Haha
Try pushing the screen lock button during the call.
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aditya_t90 said:
Are you female? Or do you have long hair?
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LOL NO! I'm a guy.
I have tested the proximity sensor, and I started observing when I made a call.
the screen locks when I hold it to my ear and unlocks it when I move it away.
guess I didn't enable pattern lock earlier..
problem solved
I saw a post where someone called the missing pen alert a gimmick. Well the "gimmick" saved me a problem tonight. I was leaving the Vet's office with my dog pulling on the leash and dropped the phone. Thank goodness no damage, I just popped the battery cover back on and all appeared good. I was out the door when I got a beep-beep. Looked at the phone and got the Detached Pen message. I went back in and found the pen under a pet supply display 5 feet from where I dropped the phone. The thing is; It was late, I had a busy evening planned and was rushing to get places with no time to play with the phone. I would not have used the pen again until tomorrow at the earliest. Assuming it hadn't been swept up by the cleaning crew by then I doubt I would have thought to look at the Vet's office anyway. The gimmick saved me the replacement cost plus loss of use. This is my first Samsung and I'm impressed with how well thought out the device is. Good by HTC, I enjoyed our time together but I have found a new and better love.
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I saw a post where someone called the missing pen alert a gimmick. Well the "gimmick" saved me a problem tonight. I was leaving the Vet's office with my dog pulling on the leash and dropped the phone. Thank goodness no damage, I just popped the battery cover back on and all appeared good. I was out the door when I got a beep-beep. Looked at the phone and got the Detached Pen message. I went back in and found the pen under a pet supply display 5 feet from where I dropped the phone. The thing is; It was late, I had a busy evening planned and was rushing to get places with no time to play with the phone. I would not have used the pen again until tomorrow at the earliest. Assuming it hadn't been swept up by the cleaning crew by then I doubt I would have thought to look at the Vet's office anyway. The gimmick saved me the replacement cost plus loss of use. This is my first Samsung and I'm impressed with how well thought out the device is. Good by HTC, I enjoyed our time together but I have found a new and better love.
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Glad it saved you! It does work but it is just not as "techy" as it could be... It saved you this time but might not rely on it in the future as it is hit and miss for a lot of people, but I have left my stylus on my couch and it's went off a few times on me... Saved me from walking a longer distance! LOL
yeah ignore all those fools who call this a gimmick. how is this a gimmick
For some reason this feature doesn't work for me. I can take out the pen and walk around without it and it never alerts me.
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For some reason this feature doesn't work for me. I can take out the pen and walk around without it and it never alerts me.
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Myself neither. Ensured it's enabled in the settings menu then tested by walking down the hall of my building and back with it in my office.
It was not working for me but after reading some other posts on the forum. .. It was said you need to not only ensure the feature for the alert is on. .. but the screen needs to be sleeping as well. .. tried it just now and it works fine for me ...I tried it earlier with the screen not sleeping and no alert. ..so confirmed the screen needs to be in stand by mode and not on.
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that was the key! Thankyou
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It was not working for me but after reading some other posts on the forum. .. It was said you need to not only ensure the feature for the alert is on. .. but the screen needs to be sleeping as well. .. tried it just now and it works fine for me ...I tried it earlier with the screen not sleeping and no alert. ..so confirmed the screen needs to be in stand by mode and not on.
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I guess thats because you can already see in the notification bar the "S-Pen detached" notification when the screen is on.
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I also thought it was a gimmick. I left my S pen on my table and walked around the room steadily holding my phone waiting for an alert. Nothing. Then I read in a thread here that holding the phone steady in your hand testing the feature doesn't really work. Holding the phone steady doesn't simulate "walking movement" it is as if your are sitting there with your phone in hand with your pen resting on your desk. The phone needs to jostle a little (my words) to activate the alert. I tested with a little "jostling" and it worked just fine.
Hi everyone.
I had my SGN2 in blocking mode since yesterday and today at lunch I noticed I didn't have my S-Pen on the phone... Now I don't know where it is!
I don't remember when was the exact last time I used it.
I have the S Pen keeper feature turned on. Is it possible to know the last time it detected the S-Pen nearby?
Also, would it be possible to reverse the S Pen keeper function? That is, to show a warning when it's nearby?
Thanks in advance.
The S-pen keeper doesn't detect when the S-pen is near the phone, it detects when the phone move without having the S-pen.
So, unfortunately your phone won't alert you when you will be close to the stylus :-\
I have no idea whether the phone has a "s-pen log", but it would be a interesting feature to add if not.
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Hmm, is there a notification log (I'm quite new with Android)? I found some apps to have one, so maybe we don't have function natively.
I ask this because I could've cleared a bunch of notifications without noticing the S Pen warning.
I do wonder, if the S pen would drop, without knowing it?
So... is the pen that comes with SGN equal to the one in SGN2? How about the one that comes SGN10.1?
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So... is the pen that comes with SGN equal to the one in SGN2? How about the one that comes SGN10.1?
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I have the Note 2 and the 10.1. The stylus works on both but they don't fit in each other's holes
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my s pen is somewhere in my room!
The strangest thing happens to me. I noticed I had lost my s pen. So I ordered a new one. But when I went to leave my bedroom this morning I got a vibration from my phone saying s pen disconnected. My phone must have reaquired the pen in the room overnight somehow...so I went back in the room and looked for it...but couldn't find it. Then I went out of the room again...and nothing happened. Is there a way of 'searching' for the pen? If not how did my phone reaquire it? And what does the pen icon in the notification area mean? (connected? Or lost?)
Hi,
I dont think your note re acquired the spen. The notification will have been when the note sensed that you were walking with the spen not attached. Prob means you had it recently tho...
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If you think you used s-note with the s-pen last then check what time it saved its latest changes at and figure out where you were at that time.
I have discovered my tablet suffers what seems to be a common problem with other Note models.
I have been a little disappointed with battery life and today noticed the tablet vibrating as I was walking, it was detecting the spen removal every thirty seconds or so, even with the tablet in my hand and relatively still. This turns the screen on.
It is most likely going back tomorrow, sadly for a refund as they have no stock, I've had charging issues too. On two occasions it only reached around 53% powered off charging overnight and only hit 90% one evening when powered on, that said, this has only happened a couple times early on. Maybe just the battery finding it's footing and calibrating itself?
It got me thinking though, I'm using a snugg case with a magnet on the closure. Does anyone know if the spen uses a magnet in the silo?
I do occasionally find that with the cover folded round the back that it can cause the screen to go off, so the magnet must be of a reasonable strength. Maybe it's interfering with the silo detecting the pen?
Any thoughts please?
Im pretty sure its not a magnetic sensor, maybe its a pressure sensor of some sort? (i really have no clue lol)
But I had the same problem with mine, and found that if i physically pressed down on the top of the pen when it was inside the silo,
it would temporarily resolve the problem.
if your s-pen isnt snug and can slide in/out, the tablet might not detect the pen as being inside the silo.
Got my exchanged and the s-pen is MUCH more snug, no problems whatsoever.
Im using the Poetic Slimline case (has magnets) and have been using it for over 2 months now, no problems whatsoever.
herbs28 said:
I have discovered my tablet suffers what seems to be a common problem with other Note models.
I have been a little disappointed with battery life and today noticed the tablet vibrating as I was walking, it was detecting the spen removal every thirty seconds or so, even with the tablet in my hand and relatively still. This turns the screen on.
It is most likely going back tomorrow, sadly for a refund as they have no stock, I've had charging issues too. On two occasions it only reached around 53% powered off charging overnight and only hit 90% one evening when powered on, that said, this has only happened a couple times early on. Maybe just the battery finding it's footing and calibrating itself?
It got me thinking though, I'm using a snugg case with a magnet on the closure. Does anyone know if the spen uses a magnet in the silo?
I do occasionally find that with the cover folded round the back that it can cause the screen to go off, so the magnet must be of a reasonable strength. Maybe it's interfering with the silo detecting the pen?
Any thoughts please?
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Did you go into settings and turn off pen detection? Just a suggestion. I have not had this issues nor have I heard of it before.
¿Will-it-Blend? said:
Did you go into settings and turn off pen detection? Just a suggestion. I have not had this issues nor have I heard of it before.
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That setting seems to do nothing, even after reboot. Still detects the pen in and out. Is that normal? Doesn't sound like it.
Short explanation:
"An electromagnetic field is generated from a circuit behind the screen. The S Pen picks this up and uses it to power itself and figure out its position relative to the screen. It sends this, along with information from the S Pen button and the nib at the end, back to the Note."
http://www.androidauthority.com/break-it-down-how-does-the-s-pen-work-154435/
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That setting seems to do nothing, even after reboot. Still detects the pen in and out. Is that normal? Doesn't sound like it.
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I'm sure S-pen detection is the feature where it lets you know if you walk away with your tablet without the s-pen.
My S-pen and Silo are both fine and it still vibrates and I have detection off too.
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I'm sure S-pen detection is the feature where it lets you know if you walk away with your tablet without the s-pen.
My S-pen and Silo are both fine and it still vibrates and I have detection off too.
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From what I've read, the tablet doesn't have that walk away feature and it's limited to the note phones.
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From what I've read, the tablet doesn't have that walk away feature and it's limited to the note phones.
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Oh!....then whats this feature do
Geordie Affy said:
Oh!....then whats this feature do
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As far as I can tell, nothing at all.
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Oh!....then whats this feature do
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S-Pen detection disables the digitiser if the S-Pen is IN the holster. It save a bit of power.
I have the HM5100 Bluetooth Pen. It works like this.
With "Disable pen detection" unchecked I can use the BT spen while the note' spen is still in the holster.
With "Disable pen detection" checked the BT spen does not work util I remove the note' spen from the holder.
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S-Pen detection disables the digitiser if the S-Pen is IN the holster. It save a bit of power.
I have the HM5100 Bluetooth Pen. It works like this.
With "Disable pen detection" unchecked I can use the BT spen while the note' spen is still in the holster.
With "Disable pen detection" checked the BT spen does not work util I remove the note' spen from the holder.
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That makes sense, thanks.
I was texting and i used my S Pen to hover over the attachment button to get the last 4 images.. clicked an image and sent it... no issues.
sat the pen on the desk... went to grab it about 2 minutes later and it wouldnt work..
absolutely no response what so ever.
re-insterted the S pen into the device and it was registered. pulled it back out and my action memo popped up but S Pen still non funtional.
rebooted... nothing...
tried replacing the tip and it got even more wierd.
now.. it writes without touching the screen.. as if the device thinks its already touching the device (about 2 cm above)
it will also select an icon and move it without it even touching the screen. it will also do tis without even having a tip in it. also not getting the pointer icon when hovering over. and the writing seems to be off to the side slightly from the point.
do i simply need to adjust the sensitivity down? the sensitivity was perect before i dont understand what happened. the phone is not even 5 days old yet.
If the phone is 5 days old solution seems simple: back up your phone book and apps and do full factory reset, if that doesn't work take it to T-mobile and have them check with different pen and replace either phone or pen.
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If the phone is 5 days old solution seems simple: back up your phone book and apps and do full factory reset, if that doesn't work take it to T-mobile and have them check with different pen and replace either phone or pen.
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Got it working.. had to pop off the button and adjust the sensitivity back about a full revolution... still dont understand what happened.. but atleast its working like normal again
I'm glad you got it fixed, but it's strange it changed settings like that all by itself, could the coil inside the pen move up or down, especially when you inserted new tip? I would closely monitor it, I'm not sure about s-pen in particular, but heard accessories are covered only for 90 days. I never had to adjust my s-pen, so it could be something loose inside yours and it could affect it's performance again in future.
I don't think so... it was super hard to turn.. it was too small for even my old glasses screwdriver so I had to use the tip of a lock pick tool and it was pretty stiff
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