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Returning the Epic 4G Touch

Definitely sucks as I really like the phone but the service here sucks. I live in South Beach, Miami, Florida which is supposed to have 4G coverage, I haven't seen it once anywhere, in buildings, walking on the streets, etc. 3G is horribly slow plus I barely get it as soon as I walk into any building, my high rise, my work...anywhere. Voice quality is good but let's be honest, at this point data is used more then voice. My T-Mobile mytouch 4g has HSPA+ almost everywhere including my place and even when it switches to 3g it's still 5 times faster then Sprint. I only like the sprint version of the Galaxy S2 with the led notification and the 4.5 inch screen, not to mention unlimited data. I may have to play around with the tmobile version since I am grandfathered into unlimited data but it not having the same cpu blows. I may just wait for the galaxy nexus and lose my unlimited data but I also will lose my sd card slot, I currently have a 16gb card and its almost 100% full so not sure how that will work out. This phone was the only one that checked all the boxes but sprints service was more then disappointing....

take it back and get the galaxy s 2 from t-mobile. i live in pompano beach and like you I dont see much wimax either. but i switched from t-mobile because of the amount of data i use. i can go through 10 gig a month easy. but 3g is ok here. not the best....but ok. good luck with it.

I feel you. I just sold my Epic Touch and went back to my Nexus S. Battery dead in 7 hrs flat just in standby mode due to loss of service issue and battery drain.
Wanted to love this phone so badly, great screen, so light i didn't even feel it in my pocket at all, so great to type on due to massive screen, speaker and general sounds are loud and crisp but if i have no battery juice after 6-7 hrs of standby, imagine if i actually used it for anything. A few custom roms and kernels helped push it to 10-11 hrs but then those made the loss of service more pronounced or worse in some cases.
Shame really, so close to being the perfect phone too.

It is so crazy the different experiences we all have with this phone. I have been running my phone never rooted for 3 weeks now and have not had an LOS yet. Signal has been fine and no problems picking up 4G in my area. 3G sucks no matter what phone you will use on Sprint right now.
As for battery, yesterday I went 15.5 hours off the charger with 4 hours of on-screen time and plugged in with 5% left. That is insanely good compared to any prior Android device I have used.......

this is one of the best phones i have ever had jus had to say that

While it's been an enjoyable run with the E4GT, I'm joining the seemingly growing group of people who are returning/selling their device.
LoS means missing calls from my daughter, who is just getting old enough to call when she wants to say hi and talk to me. I may not care for my ex, but I adore my little girl and want to talk to her every time she wants her papa.
I'd rather deal with the locked down nature of an iOS device that receives calls 100% of the time over than the hardware that I love in the E4GT.

Ugh iOS.....
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, just get a photon, Nexus S or an evo3d, there are other great phones out there.

I don't understand why people are having these problems, I'm not having much of any trouble. I had problems with battery at first, but I rooted it to remove bloat and uneeded running apps, with ROM's such as Starburst and other Kernals that help with some battery tweaks. I also have found, that while i'm at school I can just use a data toggler whenever I'm not using 3g, to turn off 3g. This saves an EXTREME amount of battery, as I lasted 3 days without any 3g because I wouldn't be near a charger.
As for LoS, I can't say much as i've never had problems. But Sprint is adding a 4G tower in my city sometime in early '12 so i'm happy with that.

Add another to the list of people looking to sell the ET4G. Im currently weighing some options from people on Craigslist to see what phone Im going to trade for. Reception is terrible on this phone, GPS isnt much better seeing how the phone needs a reboot to get a lock (I use GPS daily). Im currently sitting in my office and I have zero bars and keep getting kicked into roaming. Next to my phone is a coworkers Nexus s and the secretaries Iphone 4s. Nexus has 2 bars, Iphone has 3 of 4.
I really thought this was gonna be the phone of the year but the bugs that plague it kill those hopes. My biggest issue though is no fix release for another month.
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hrffd said:
But Sprint is adding a 4G tower in my city sometime in early '12 so i'm happy with that.
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I was under the impression Sprint wasnt adding anymore 4g towers anywhere with the switch to LTE. If I were you Id check on that before expecting any new 4G.

well i've been experiencing a few problems nthn major though, yea the data was slow and i would get kicked into roam the first few days i got the phone, but after that it's been super fast. This is a great phone, and with unlimited data makes it even better, this phone will definitely give the galaxy nexus comp(possibly beat it) i love my epic 4g touch(coming from the Motorola Atrix) i really can see myself keeping this phone until my upgrade(2 years from now), my battery life is great and won't have to worry about it dying cause i bought a portable charger(which i highly recommend for heavy users like me that's constantly on the go) but this phone is the best out now and besides ICS, it will beat the galaxy nexus IMO

If it weren't for the price i would def. leave Sprint. Their data speeds suck so bad here in Metro Detroit.

[email protected] said:
It is so crazy the different experiences we all have with this phone. I have been running my phone never rooted for 3 weeks now and have not had an LOS yet. Signal has been fine and no problems picking up 4G in my area. 3G sucks no matter what phone you will use on Sprint right now.
As for battery, yesterday I went 15.5 hours off the charger with 4 hours of on-screen time and plugged in with 5% left. That is insanely good compared to any prior Android device I have used.......
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Ive owned since release never rooted getting same positive Battery results as are many which leads me to believe there's lots of device duds or root turns it into one.
Oh and the Troll factor claims

I have been nothing but disappointed with this phone. If I hadn't bought it though wirefly I would have returned it the first week. I'm not really found of the samsung software, my data speed has really crapped out over the last month, the dropped calls and low signal strength are a real disappointment. This will be my last Samsung phone, I am going back to HTC, they seem to know how to make a phone for business not just to be a toy.

bndfishing said:
I have been nothing but disappointed with this phone. If I hadn't bought it though wirefly I would have returned it the first week. I'm not really found of the samsung software, my data speed has really crapped out over the last month, the dropped calls and low signal strength are a real disappointment. This will be my last Samsung phone, I am going back to HTC, they seem to know how to make a phone for business not just to be a toy.
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if you do that make sure you dont get the evo 3d, its a total piece of ****

bndfishing said:
I have been nothing but disappointed with this phone. If I hadn't bought it though wirefly I would have returned it the first week. I'm not really found of the samsung software, my data speed has really crapped out over the last month, the dropped calls and low signal strength are a real disappointment. This will be my last Samsung phone, I am going back to HTC, they seem to know how to make a phone for business not just to be a toy.
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hmm what would be Samsung Toy factor ?
The reason I ask is because Ive had no issue with device data/LOS/signal etc.
It runs smoother , faster , Better hardware & construction.

Yeah dude, I'd have to agree with you. I had the original EVO 4G and it was a great phone. But after trying the EVO 3D and Thunderbolt (biggest piece a of **** I've ever owned) I'm extremely happy with the hardware. Now if we only get a Sense port...

It's odd that this is the same Samsung that made the og Epic and the Nexus S 4G. When I had the og Epic, I never had any loss of service issue of any sort and battery life was decent. Nexus S 4G (current device) only issue is a bum radio and low sounds/speaker volume generally, but definitely nothing in the realm of the Epic Touch's loss of service and or Android OS battery draining wifi bug.
What irritated me the other day about the Epic Touch was I left home fully charged at 5am, and by shift end at 3pm I was at 20%, never had a chance to even use phone for calls/SMS, web, nothing, and this is smack in the middle of NYC with bars of service. Come to realize phone had gone into a loss of service whatever and was stuck there (crossed circle). So all day i had missed important calls, SMS, emails e.t.c., cause after a reboot they all came flooding in.
Thank God I wasn't job hunting and expecting a call back or something that important.
Sent from my Nexus S 4G

It's frustrating, I am almost looking for reasons to keep it, however I am now using my mytouch 4g which is a year old and never was a standout phone and I am getting download speeds of 5mbps....i dont think I ever saw over 500k on the on the epic, most around 150k

I feel like the rest of you. Putting out a great phone like the Galaxy S2 on Sprint is like putting candy sprinkles on a turd.
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cbpagent72 said:
I feel like the rest of you. Putting out a great phone like the Galaxy S2 on Sprint is like putting candy sprinkles on a turd.
Sent from my SPH-D710 using xda premium
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aaaaaahahahahaha

Verizon Reps didn't give me the Thumbs up

So, I walked into 2 Verizon stores over the last two days. I wanted to use one of my upgrades to go from my Rezound to the Nexus. I spoke to two different reps and both told me they were not a fan of the phone. Design wise its nice and ICS is cool, but they said there are some problems with the reception and they're seeing more exchanges than they'd like.
I have no problems with my phone. I like it, but I love the larger screen and that's its lighter.
Do any of you wish you waited a bit before buying this phone (because Verizon already pushed this phone back so far) to see if an update cleared any of the issues you guys are having? All phones have their bugs, but I hate that the bootloader is locked and I can't go custom crazy like I wanted to.

Bootloader is very easily unlocked and you can do any mods you want.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk

One thing I've learned from reading many mobile phone forums, the Vz sales people often know less than the informed reader. I went thru 4 Bionics and after having issues even after the OTA I packed up all my stuff and returned it for the Nexus.
I don't wish I waited. I love the idea of owning a Google feature phone knowing I'll always have the latest updates and they'll continue to provide updates for a long time coming.
The bootloader is super easy to unlock on this phone and it's equally simple to root. I never rooted my Bionic b/c I ways waiting to see if I ever got a stable phone before I monkeyed with it. The Nexus I rooted after 5 days. I think this phone is going to receive a lot of developer attention because it's so easy to work on. I don't think the radio is as strong as what Moto uses, but I've never had any reception issues.

sebastianraven said:
So, I walked into 2 Verizon stores over the last two days. I wanted to use one of my upgrades to go from my Rezound to the Nexus. I spoke to two different reps and both told me they were not a fan of the phone. Design wise its nice and ICS is cool, but they said there are some problems with the reception and they're seeing more exchanges than they'd like.
I have no problems with my phone. I like it, but I love the larger screen and that's its lighter.
Do any of you wish you waited a bit before buying this phone (because Verizon already pushed this phone back so far) to see if an update cleared any of the issues you guys are having? All phones have their bugs, but I hate that the bootloader is locked and I can't go custom crazy like I wanted to.
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Im surprised they didnt try to get you to buy the iPhone, like most ATT and VZW sheeps do.
They (and the people returning the phones), apparently do not know that the signal bug is a bug and will be fixed soon.
Get the SGN, you wont regret it

andy2na said:
Im surprised they didnt try to get you to buy the iPhone, like most ATT and VZW sheeps do.
They (and the people returning the phones), apparently do not know that the signal bug is a bug and will be fixed soon.
Get the SGN, you wont regret it
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So by "fixed soon" you mean the GNex is going to show you more bars for the same signal it currently gets? In my area, that just means I'll show some signal and not have any data network. I've owned several VZW phones and have never had dropped calls at my house like with the GNex. My advice - the GNex is the best phone on the market *if you get signal with it* end of story. If you don't (like me), it's just an expensive paperweight with a pretty screen and "faster updates." BFD if I can't make or receive calls with it out of my home. So anyway, my actual advice is to try the GNex first. If you get signal where you live/work/play, by all means enjoy an awesome phone. If not, return it for something with a better antenna.
Unless Samsung personally delivers a migrant worker to my house to install a newer, better antenna in my device, I don't think any software fix is going to help me (and yes, I've flashed the newest radios to no avail).
Sucks, and I don't want to get rid of it but I think I'm out of options.
Todd

I wouldn't put too much faith in the store employees. Most are not that informed.
It's a good phone, certain aspects may not be as good but the pluses outweigh the negatives.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using XDA App

I had a "temp" rezound for a week. Loved the phone. In fact I recommended it to a few "semi-techie" (non flashing) co-workers. We're IT guys and service hotels. We climb ladders and run cables. So a heavy-duty phone is nice. The Rezound felt like a heavy duty phone that the guys like. Signal and battery was good.
For me, I prefer the Nexus. I have the extended battery which doesn't add much but every little bit helps on android phones. Both last about the same time with battery life. The Rezound was my temp phone, so I really wasn't interested in setting it up. Just used it barely for work calls. The Nexus, I can't put down. Surfing, emails, games, customization, etc. Both last about 15+ hours with a few hours at night surfing XDA. Pretty impressed.
Signal (just going by bars) was "better" with the Rezound. We know now that Verizon beefs up their signal bars ala iPhone style. Verizon phones typically show 3-4 bars where the Nexus will show 0-1. Both still have the same -db levels thus both getting the same service, but the Nexus is showing TRUE signals bars. Verizon is supposedly working on a patch to increase the number of bars per -db. It's a visual issue. The latest Verizon radio (not public yet) fixes lots of the 3G/4G hand-offs and works much better. Battery life has also greatly improved with the, currently unreleased, 4.0.3 + New Radio/Baseband.
I do disable LTE because I get 2-4mb 3G in my area, which is plenty for syncing emails and facebook type stuff. I don't need a 60+Mbps LTE cell connection all day.
After some pretty heavy usage today at work (SMS, surfing, games , emails, xda), from 8am-2pm I have 75% battery left on the Nexus. 25% in 6 hours = 24 hours battery life

I wouldn't listen to anything a rep says. As far as reception, did a test from my device and posted it on my blog. There is nothing wrong with the reception on the phone. If your device does have a legitimate issue, you need to exchange it.
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My GNex consistenly sits 10-20 db lower than my D2 sitting next to each other on the counter. Admittedly I live in an "outlier" area as far as Verizon's network goes, but if my D2 can manage an average of 80 db, why can my Nexus only muster between 100 and 110 most of the time? I've never seen it go below 93 at my house, where I've seen my D2 get as low as 65 dB. Again, new radios don't help for me. To me it just seems like the Samsung antenna is not as sensitive as in the motorola, so to say there are "no reception issues" simply because you may not experience them is patently false. I've been to three VZW stores now and all three of them said swapping out for a new Nexus is doable, but will not fix the issue because of Samsung's crappy antennas. At least two of the people I spoke with were Nexus owners, one owns a Razr, for whatever that's worth.

sebastianraven said:
I spoke to two different reps.
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phone store reps and apple 'geniuses' are derps. they are just about as knowledgeable about technical stuff as you and i are about cthulu. ive had a genius tell me that my ipod would have difficulty connecting to n-networks if i was an lte area... its an ipod... it doesnt give a **** about lte. similarly verizon reps have told me that the droid incredible 1 and 2 have the same hardware with a different case.
most people on xda are actually highly knowledgeable and i would trust opinions out here over any vzw derp.

At my local store the Nexus is all but hidden in the stock room. It's on display but in the group of old phones across the room from the iphones and RAZR. I asked the guy and he admitted to not knowing much about the phone but that they are being pumped by management to push the razr and that xyboard tablet. It's obvious verizon corporate would rather not push unlocked phones but imo carried the nexus to snag the root community.
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That's funny. At my local vzw store they don't keep a nexus out on the display. The sign and mount for it are out, but you have to go to the service desk and stand in front of them after being blessed with the opportunity to hold it briefly. All other available models are out in multiple locations for customers to play with.
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I went from the TBolt -> Rezound -> Nexus so hopefully I can offer some insight ;-)
TBolt reception wasn't an issue for me in general. At work the cafeteria is in the basement of our building and I always saw 4G with an occasional drop to 3g. The Nexus occasionally see's signal, but I still prefer the Nexus and having a Google experience device.
Will it be fixed? I hope so.
Could it be software related? Potentially, as much as people want to argue we just don't know for sure. The Nexus S 4G was plagued with performance issues when it was released and they were fixed it with a software update. (note that it wasn't a reception issue)
Some phones have better antenna's than others, that's the simple truth. I've seen excellent reception at times and crappy receptions at other times.
The Rezound I had was a good phone, but I felt the need to tinker with it to get rid of bloatware, tweak performance, etc...I don't feel that need on the Nexus. I have pros and cons for each phone but in the end there are intangibles about the Nexus that I enjoy more. FYI, my second Rezound had great battery life but in all honesty it matches my Nexus. I've hit 12-18 hours every day this week, and it's been a normal work week for me. There's no WiFi for me to connect to from 6:30am until 6:00pm, I'm on 4g the entire time and streaming music for 1-2 hours a day. I don't had a ton of screen on time at the end of the day 1 1/2 to 2 hours.
If you stick with your Rezound you'll have ICS in a few months more than likely, and it does have many of the cool features already built in like the screenshot capability. I hope you are ok with S-On because you can't assume that it will ever be unlocked. Odds are that eventually it will, but until it happens you have to determine your level of satisfaction with it as the phone stands now.
Good luck in your decision.

100% happy with mine. Hands down love this unlocked, rooted, custom rom, OC kernel, blazing fast phone

Asking for your local VZW store's reps' opinions is like asking a Genius at an Apple store, I wouldn't trust their "expertise" about much more than flipping burgers
Unlock your bootloader and enjoy your amazing phone sir.

T-Keith said:
I wouldn't put too much faith in the store employees. Most are not that informed.
It's a good phone, certain aspects may not be as good but the pluses outweigh the negatives.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using XDA App
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They might not know everything, but they should have a grasp on what phones are getting returned/exchanged, which probably eats at their commision.
The lady that helped me with a tbolt accessory tonight had the nexus and liked it. Told her I couldn't wait and got the rezound, and she said that was a good phone too.
I agree with others that verizon has its own agenda and is pushing moto products over superior htc and samsung devices...
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I had a "temp" rezound for a week. Loved the phone. In fact I recommended it to a few "semi-techie" (non flashing) co-workers. We're IT guys and service hotels. We climb ladders and run cables. So a heavy-duty phone is nice. The Rezound felt like a heavy duty phone that the guys like. Signal and battery was good.
For me, I prefer the Nexus. I have the extended battery which doesn't add much but every little bit helps on android phones. Both last about the same time with battery life. The Rezound was my temp phone, so I really wasn't interested in setting it up. Just used it barely for work calls. The Nexus, I can't put down. Surfing, emails, games, customization, etc. Both last about 15+ hours with a few hours at night surfing XDA. Pretty impressed.
Signal (just going by bars) was "better" with the Rezound. We know now that Verizon beefs up their signal bars ala iPhone style. Verizon phones typically show 3-4 bars where the Nexus will show 0-1. Both still have the same -db levels thus both getting the same service, but the Nexus is showing TRUE signals bars. Verizon is supposedly working on a patch to increase the number of bars per -db. It's a visual issue. The latest Verizon radio (not public yet) fixes lots of the 3G/4G hand-offs and works much better. Battery life has also greatly improved with the, currently unreleased, 4.0.3 + New Radio/Baseband.
I do disable LTE because I get 2-4mb 3G in my area, which is plenty for syncing emails and facebook type stuff. I don't need a 60+Mbps LTE cell connection all day.
After some pretty heavy usage today at work (SMS, surfing, games , emails, xda), from 8am-2pm I have 75% battery left on the Nexus. 25% in 6 hours = 24 hours battery life
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How does this explain most people seeing a 20db difference from the nexus (or charge) and any other 4g device? Seems to me, the signal bar indicator isn't necessarily the problem.
I know on my rezound, I will show no bars of 4g and still have a connection (usually around -100). With 4 bars I'm usually -75 or so.

nrfitchett4 said:
They might not know everything, but they should have a grasp on what phones are getting returned/exchanged, which probably eats at their commision.
The lady that helped me with a tbolt accessory tonight had the nexus and liked it. Told her I couldn't wait and got the rezound, and she said that was a good phone too.
I agree with others that verizon has its own agenda and is pushing moto products over superior htc and samsung devices...
How does this explain most people seeing a 20db difference from the nexus (or charge) and any other 4g device? Seems to me, the signal bar indicator isn't necessarily the problem.
I know on my rezound, I will show no bars of 4g and still have a connection (usually around -100). With 4 bars I'm usually -75 or so.
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I currently have a nexus and love the phone, hate the reception. I can't get signal where my droidx could. I pray they can fix it before 1/15 or I will have to return it.
The rezound only displays 3G signal not 4G, try switching to cdma and you see that the DBs remain the same. Not sure why that is but I have spent a lot of time considering this as a alternate phone and there is now way to tell what the DB level is of 4G from the status menu.

With light use today. I'm at 61% at 11pm off a charge from 9am. 9am-11pm.
That's awesome. With light use my Rezound would still be about dead at 11-midnight.
Light use = several (4-5) quick phone calls. Texting. Push Gmail/exchange. Twitter/Facebook. Wordfued. XDA.
4.0.3 CM9 Lang w/ latest LTE radio/baseband.
They can always pump more power to the radio antenna to get better signal but at the loss of battery life.
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Poor Quality Control Verizon LTE GNex on 3 Issues & Severe Variations among devices

Poor Quality Control Verizon LTE GNex on 3 Issues & Severe Variations among devices
First of all, if your first CDMA Verizon galaxy nexus worked fine from day one; good for you! I am writing this entire post because I want more Galaxy Nexus owners in the future to experience the same thing...saying "Mine is perfect!"
I definitely can agree with how amazing this phone is...it's just that I had to go through many of them to find the One and with 4 months of misery. The difference between the good and the bad devices are light and day....It is amazing how some of us have an awesome Galaxy Nexus and some of us have horrible Galaxy Nexus....after paying same amount of money.
During the past 4 months, I have gone through 2 New nexus (first one I bought, second one new replacement from the store after going through SIM card replacements and factory resets) and 2 factory refurbished nexus after I literally called every week at 611 to call both technical & customer representative (tier 2 & 3) due to :
(1) One-way-microphone cut off issue even when Data is turned off, our voice will start turning into a choppy, static robotic voice to the other party as soon as 5 seconds into a call on 10-50% of phone calls via bluetooth / speakerphone / regular phone earpiece.
(http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=24019)
"Personally believe to be both hardware & software related"
(2) 4G LTE dropping voice/data every 5-10mins especially when you transmit large amount of data (e.g. youtube videos or google music cloud storage) deeming this phone unusable unless you turn off 4G entirely even in -75dBm full signal zone stationary in San Francisco, CA as well as anywhere else.
(http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=24345) "Personally believe that this is entirely hardware issue because my last one is better already after one day of using it, we will see."
(3) Vertical Banding / Severe Pink Tint / Grainy screen / purple tinted screen / heavy yellow tint on either 55% bottom of the screen or 100% of the screen even at 80% brightness (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1391509) (We are not trying to be picky, we know no sAMOLED screens are perfect. But some that I personally seen have been so poorly quality controlled that these panels shouldn't even have been used to see the light outside the factory.)
For the first 2 months when I talked to Verizon Wireless customer/technical service & samsung technical support (Samsung only says, they never heard about this issue and will say you have a bad antenna and they will replace it for you when you send the unit in for 3-4 weeks) they literally told me they are not aware of this issue and/or aware but it is a software issue which the update will resolve very soon. (The supposed update was first promised to come by end of Jan, then end of Feb, then end of March, then they started to admit that it is entirely upto Samsung and they have no control over this issue and at least some admit that there's technical bulletin written on this issue and this is a know issue.)
I know not all products are perfect. But I wish the Verizon Wireless was a little bit more up-front about these major defect and made official announcements that they are aware and is working on it (I say major because these issues are not like "Oh, my phone speaker is weak. or This phone is laggy time to time." but more like, I can't use this phone as a phone nor as a 4G LTE device.)
The bottom line is that there are so many variations among the nexus device that it's almost torturous to go through the "Bad Batches" if you were not lucky enough to find one that works within the first / second device. I almost expect 5-10% defected device from the production line in all electronics manufacturing process...But this is just ridiculous. We shouldn't try to defend VZW or Samsung because if we do, the next nexus will still come with poor quality control and let these phones out of the factory to the users hand. Even if it did happen, I want VZW to be more upfront about it then just caring for the massive amount of bad batches on an individual bases.
if you have any suggestions on how we users can do about preventing these from happening or at least minimize it, please share it with us.
My final wish is that One-Way-Microphone cut off issue is resolved in a timely fashion now...Because I really want to use this phone as a phone...

I can honestly say that every device I have ever owned has seen these "issues."
Not these specific issues, but issues where folks question quality control. I have seen them going all the way back to the Droid 1 and the battery doors falling off.
Of the issues you have mentioned, I have seen the third. My wife's phone has a washed out screen compared to mine. I am on my second device, but only because Best Buy is full of retards and insisted upon replacing my phone when the sim card was bad.
I don't get the robotic voice. I don't get the choppiness. Issues I have seen, but have either subsided or disappeared completely:
1. Caller cannot be heard after some time into a call. They can hear me, but I cannot hear them at all. The line goes silent. This hasn't happened again in over three months.
2. Screeching when answering a call. This one still happens, but is very rare. More often I hear my ringtone lagging into the initial call pickup. I think that is likely a software or radio firmware issue.
3. Calls lost. This was due to my wife hanging up with her cheek. Chalk it up to poor design for those with hearing aides and big touchscreens.
4. 4G drops. Improved with 4.0.4, but still bad. Cause: I live on a fringe 4G area. In good 4G areas, I never drop. Verizon has been slowly expanding the area, so it is less common I drop now, or if I do, I transition to 3G quickly.

adrynalyne said:
I can honestly say that every device I have ever owned has seen these "issues."
Not these specific issues, but issues where folks question quality control. I have seen them going all the way back to the Droid 1 and the battery doors falling off.
Of the issues you have mentioned, I have seen the third. My wife's phone has a washed out screen compared to mine. I am on my second device, but only because Best Buy is full of retards and insisted upon replacing my phone when the sim card was bad.
I don't get the robotic voice. I don't get the choppiness. Issues I have seen, but have either subsided or disappeared completely:
1. Caller cannot be heard after some time into a call. They can hear me, but I cannot hear them at all. The line goes silent. This hasn't happened again in over three months.
2. Screeching when answering a call. This one still happens, but is very rare. More often I hear my ringtone lagging into the initial call pickup. I think that is likely a software or radio firmware issue.
3. Calls lost. This was due to my wife hanging up with her cheek. Chalk it up to poor design for those with hearing aides and big touchscreens.
4. 4G drops. Improved with 4.0.4, but still bad. Cause: I live on a fringe 4G area. In good 4G areas, I never drop. Verizon has been slowly expanding the area, so it is less common I drop now, or if I do, I transition to 3G quickly.
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I believe you have devices that are actually equal or better than the one I currently own (the one decided to settle with).
Again, I am glad you didn't have to see many of the issues!
I can assure you that at least the devices that we have now, are great
But I know many are not as well.

I think a lot of our issues stem from the early bird syndrome:
1. Still 1st gen LTE.
2. 1st gen 720p samoled screen.
3. 1st to receive ICS.
That is a whole lot of 1st gen stuff right there and we are getting a lot of worms

adrynalyne said:
I think a lot of our issues stem from the early bird syndrome:
1. Still 1st gen LTE.
2. 1st gen 720p samoled screen.
3. 1st to receive ICS.
That is a whole lot of 1st gen stuff right there and we are getting a lot of worms
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I agree with you
As a person who jumped in the boat on android with Droid Eris though...
Above all, the phone should work as a phone though
ICS and LTE and AMOLED is awesome when we actually have a device that does it well!
If not? it is so difficult to go through the motion of getting a replacement device actually, depending on who you get to talk to when you call 611

This device, despite its shortcomings has caused me to stop looking at other devices for quite some time. I will not be buying another device until Jellybean is released to devices.
To me, ICS is 6 months old. I am ready for something new By the time ICS becomes a real player in the overall scheme of Android, we will be on Jellybean. I just can't bring myself to look at other devices even if they are shipping with ICS knowing that.

I got mine (Verizon) on release day and my only issue was low external speaker volume but I have "equalizer" installed and the phone is perfect except....
There is one flaw that I didn't have from the factory, and that's the faded/discolored lower portion where the action bar is. When I look at movies with a lot of dark/black backgrounds when the screen goes into full screen I can still see where it would be, it's lighter.
I'm wondering if it can be returned under warranty for that??? Anyone???
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inktownlegend said:
I got mine (Verizon) on release day and my only issue was low external speaker volume but I have "equalizer" installed and the phone is perfect except....
There is one flaw that I didn't have from the factory, and that's the faded/discolored lower portion where the action bar is. When I look at movies with a lot of dark/black backgrounds when the screen goes into full screen I can still see where it would be, it's lighter.
I'm wondering if it can be returned under warranty for that??? Anyone???
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Please don't exchange your device. You seemed to have one of the more flawless devices. Even if you decide to get a return, it will be impossible to get a refund. And the exchange you will get which are all like new refurbished phones, will have whole lot of problems that you are not seeing with your current device

Personally, my experience has been flawless. I have nothing to complain about. I definitely won't be buying another phone until the next Nexus, at least....

Nothing to report here. Bought mine at a Verizon store in ... February I think.
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Well add me to the list of people who have the 4G LTE issues. My wife and I both got Gaxay Nexus phones from Amazon wireless and they both have the LTE radio drop out problem. It's terrible.
i just called Amazon and they are sending two brand new phones out.

LTE will drop if you are in a fringe area.

adrynalyne said:
LTE will drop if you are in a fringe area.
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Dear adrynalyne,
Please take a look at this screenshot I took.
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=24345#c64
Since you have not experienced this yourself, that will give you a great insight to what we face and/or faced with these faulty devices.
In a stationary position next to the San Francisco Downtown LTE tower,
the drop still happens every 3 minutes along with voice.

Damn.
Actually, double damn. I would kill for that LTE signal.

adrynalyne said:
Damn.
Actually, double damn. I would kill for that LTE signal.
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As long as we have devices that can hold on to this LTE signal, 4G LTE is truly awesome..
I am consistently getting 25 mbps / 15 mbps (down / upload) and about 32-35mbps down 15 mbps sometimes.
I am finally loving the GNex experience man, my friend.
what a night and day difference. My life was miserable when my other GNexus couldn't hold on to that signal.. and verizon kept telling me the update will magically solve this issue.
Apparently, I feel it's the hardware issue in the first place.

charlescom said:
As long as we have devices that can hold on to this LTE signal, 4G LTE is truly awesome..
I am consistently getting 25 mbps / 15 mbps (down / upload) and about 32-35mbps down 15 mbps sometimes.
I am finally loving the GNex experience man, my friend.
what a night and day difference. My life was miserable when my other GNexus couldn't hold on to that signal.. and verizon kept telling me the update will magically solve this issue.
Apparently, I feel it's the hardware issue in the first place.
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Is the working device revision 10?
The reason I ask is a friend of mine started researching the differences between rev 9 and rev 10 devices and found out that the LTE radios (internal hardware) are different.

adrynalyne said:
Is the working device revision 10?
The reason I ask is a friend of mine started researching the differences between rev 9 and rev 10 devices and found out that the LTE radios (internal hardware) are different.
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My previous devices were faulty they were rev 9, rev 10. Manufactured in 11/12, 11/11.
I can surely confirm both rev 9 and 10 had problems.
My working device is rev 9 I believe. Let me check and let you know if its rev 10.
I am using it to tether to use internet right now

Adr, I know you had a tb. How come the tb 4g radio is so much better?

TurbineTester said:
Well add me to the list of people who have the 4G LTE issues. My wife and I both got Gaxay Nexus phones from Amazon wireless and they both have the LTE radio drop out problem. It's terrible.
i just called Amazon and they are sending two brand new phones out.
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I got mine this past Thursday from Amazon and I'm getting the same exact issue. What number did you call to get Amazon to replace it?

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Adr, I know you had a tb. How come the tb 4g radio is so much better?
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Samsung isn't very good with choosing radio tech.

Just came over from iPhone5

Preordered iPhone5. Received it Friday Sept 21. Returned Sunday 2-3 days later. Picked up t-mobile Galaxy S3 right after returning the iPhone5.
So glad I am back on Android. From the 2-3 days of ownership of the iPhone5/iOS (as this was my 1st iPhone and I just wanted to experiment to see how I'd like it), I was not able to do very basic things I wanted, or any reasonable person would expect to be able to do to a phone.
1st off, Ringtones. Anyone owning a phone would have a reasonable expectation to be able to change / add custom ringtones. Should I have to pay for it? Maybe, that is if I don't want to cut the songs myself. I already have ringtones from my last phone which was basic mp3s I could have drag/dropped over. But with iPhone, I had to go through tedious process of utilizing iTunes as a medium, converting to AAC format, moving onto desktop, deleting the ones in iTunes, then renaming the .m4a format to .m4r, then dragging it back into iTunes, then syncing. I could have done all this on Android by just plugging it to my comp, locate Ringtones folder, dropped it in, and done.
Sync was an issue too. I'm pretty sure most people use gmail in some way, and all my contacts are in gmail. Tried to get contacts to sync over to iCloud was a hassle. It would only sync the root folder group of contacts and not the other groups. I had to manually export each contact group to my comp, then import into iCloud. Now if I added/made changes to a contact on my iPhone, I'd have to go back home, and re-enter a new contact in google. It's just not a seamless process.
Also the AppStore. Every 15 minutes I want to get an app, I am asked to enter a password. And Apple requires a complicated pw with uppercase/lowercase, numbers, special characters. It's not by any means easy to type on the phone every time I want to install something.
No widgets either on iOs. No notification widgets to easy turn on/off options like WiFi, screen rotation, GPS, Bluetooth. I have to go into settings and navigate through menus to turn them on/off.
I didn't like how all the apps just show up on the home screen as iOS doesn't have a drawer like Android, and I'd have to dump everything into folders if I didn't want to see it. Also all the icons just align from right to left, top to bottom. I can't change where they are on the page except for the order it flows. I read maybe JailBreaking can help with this customization, but I don't think I want to wait that long for an untethered JB to be available for the iPhone5 to be released.
Forgot to add, I have a TF700 and I utilize TabletTalk to sync SMS to my Tablet and send SMS via the Tablet. This wouldn't have worked out for an Android Tablet with an iPhone.
Side issue that affected me, but unrelated to Apple, was the fact Sprint had deceptive advertising regarding their LTE coverage. As you guys know, iPhone is either 3G or LTE; no WiMax. In DFW, even though coverage map shows I am clearly in 4G LTE coverage, Sprint indeed only had 1 LTE tower up and running in the other side of Dallas of where I am at. And Dallas is a pretty damn big city, so all I ever saw was 3G. Sprint's 3G was < 1mbps down/upload, which is unacceptable as I am paying for "unlimited 3g/4g data" cost of an additional $10/month. It is hardly enough bandwidth to stream music / video or let alone download apps unless I am connected to WiFi; which then goes back to the point of why am I even paying for data. Unlimited data is pointless at that speed and I'm not going to wait 1-2 yrs for Sprint to finish rolling out LTE in Dallas; since by then my contract would have expired anyways and I could just switch to Sprint then.
But overall, I didn't try to / demand anything complicated out of the phone. The simple things I wanted it to do, didn't go as I had expected, even though I kept hearing how easy iPhones are to use, and how stable it is. Stable OS, smooth processing, and pretty, yes. But basic simple customization / syncing, no. And now I totally understand when Android users are trolling iPhone users.

That's why the iPhone has those mesmerizing screen transition animations. Supposed to help relieve the headache after all the frustration. J/K.
:silly:

If you have a mac is easier to import your Google contacts to iCloud, or you can set up Gmail as a exchanged account and will import and update all your contacts automatically (kind of like android) anyways, I'm about to return my iPhone 5 is amazing looking device but not for my needs like I said before, the only thing I miss the most(besides a few apps) is battery life in stand by, really good phone not my cup of tea tho
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Nice to see your in the Galaxy... the cryphones will never be better then android. They have no comparison.. you take a phone that does things and can't be changed and "compare" it to a phone that let's u do whatever you want on it.. I just never see it as a fair comparison.. that's like saying the cryphones are a Datsun and the androids are lambos... and then people say the cryphones are better.. there are in different leagues altogether. Cryphones = lockdown no customization like android... but glad to see u here. Many people waste so much time n money on apple.. and now its biting them in the wallet and a$$... he he he I love it. BTW if u have a DSLR cannon camera check out chainfire's DSLR controller app.. I just found it yesterday and I can control my camera with my phone... its so dope!!! Sgs3 BEST PHONE I'VE HAD YET. PERIOD.
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Lots of valid points, but overall it's just an issue with competing ecosystems. You had already had some Androids, so most of your ecosystem was setup through gmail and google.
For a Mac user coming over to an Android phone, much of the same problems pop up (no easy itunes music/podcasts integration, etc)
But overall just by its open source nature, Android is much easier to work with and setup. And conversely since Apple likes to control all aspects of user experience, you don't get all the features and selling points (i.e. the iPhone is so "easy" to use!) unless you are subscribed to the entire Apple ecosystem.

Darmokk said:
Lots of valid points, but overall it's just an issue with competing ecosystems. You had already had some Androids, so most of your ecosystem was setup through gmail and google.
For a Mac user coming over to an Android phone, much of the same problems pop up (no easy itunes music/podcasts integration, etc)
But overall just by its open source nature, Android is much easier to work with and setup. And conversely since Apple likes to control all aspects of user experience, you don't get all the features and selling points (i.e. the iPhone is so "easy" to use!) unless you are subscribed to the entire Apple ecosystem.
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Only way I'd go apple products is if I edited lots n lots of videos... Apple wins that battle all day. But that's there PC and not mobile...
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Tmo has really fast data at DFW, wasn't able to leave the airport hah but in it the 4g was great. For ringtones you can just longpress a song in the media player. No need to even move it.
My gmail calendar syncs between my iPad/net/phone perfectly. Haven't tried contacts but I'm sure there is a way. iOS is definitely a different experience though. I really like the app tray on android too. But iOS has the advantage of searching when you hit home twice.

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Tmo has really fast data at DFW, wasn't able to leave the airport hah but in it the 4g was great. For ringtones you can just longpress a song in the media player. No need to even move it.
My gmail calendar syncs between my iPad/net/phone perfectly. Haven't tried contacts but I'm sure there is a way. iOS is definitely a different experience though. I really like the app tray on android too. But iOS has the advantage of searching when you hit home twice.
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Google now has that same feature...
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da-pharoah said:
Only way I'd go apple products is if I edited lots n lots of videos... Apple wins that battle all day. But that's there PC and not mobile...
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Video and/or Photos (i work with both) so I do run Macs at home. For mobile I'm with you though, loving my GSIII

Since I do not do any media creation I have no reason to keep an apple product. I use my S3 and my Nexus 7 for almost all of my day to day use.
Otherwise I use my little netbook but those times are getting further and further in between.

I was interested in the iPhone 5, but now that you reviewed here and I'd an android user before, I will just wait for the note 2. I do like Apple products, just hate the Apple company...
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yaddamean said:
Iphones are for girls. And queers.
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What's wrong with being a girl, or queer?
I bought a Samsung Vibrant on the recommendation of a queer woman.

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Google now has that same feature...
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Isn't that the universal search feature that got disabled?

I just though I share my story here:
My HTC desire died because of to much freedom after 1.5 year of custom ROM flashing and partition profile switching(hboot).(I think I have switched between all available ROMs for the HTC Desire before it died one months ago)
I always flashed a new ROM because non of them was what I wanted.
Sure Oxygen was awesome but it sopped to receive updates.
MIUI was awesome but it stopped to to receive updates. (For Desire)
I spent most my time on Gingerbread and ICC custom ROMS and always had stability issues.
I know that if I get an iPhone I will still get updates for it 2 years from now.
If I get a galaxy S3 I will get jellybean but after that there is nothing promising that I will get Key lime pie.
When I get an iPhone all apps in the app store will work on it without problem.
That is maybe the case for galaxy S3. But it's not guaranteed.
I'm also tired of all the customization options. It's great to be able to customize so much but I never was able to get it exactly how I wanted it to be anyway.
The iPhone isn't nearly have as much customize options. But still, it's enough for me and I used MIUI ROM so it reminds a lot of the iOS.
I never even used widgets after a while because widget made my already crappy battery run out of ´cream´ even faster.
I'm still thinking of maybe take a S3 though because of the iPhone seems to have a bit of problems(easy scratches and some other minor stuff)
Though the S3 in my eyes is REALLY big. I can still cancel my order on the iPhone so if anyone after reading this can convince me to get the S3. Please go ahead.
I really loved my time with android. But I kind of got sick on it. Maybe if I try both the iPhone 5 and GSIII I can finally make a 100% accurate choice.

CrimzonEyed said:
I just though I share my story here:
My HTC desire died because of to much freedom after 1.5 year of custom ROM flashing and partition profile switching(hboot).(I think I have switched between all available ROMs for the HTC Desire before it died one months ago)
I always flashed a new ROM because non of them was what I wanted.
Sure Oxygen was awesome but it sopped to receive updates.
MIUI was awesome but it stopped to to receive updates. (For Desire)
I spent most my time on Gingerbread and ICC custom ROMS and always had stability issues.
I know that if I get an iPhone I will still get updates for it 2 years from now.
If I get a galaxy S3 I will get jellybean but after that there is nothing promising that I will get Key lime pie.
When I get an iPhone all apps in the app store will work on it without problem.
That is maybe the case for galaxy S3. But it's not guaranteed.
I'm also tired of all the customization options. It's great to be able to customize so much but I never was able to get it exactly how I wanted it to be anyway.
The iPhone isn't nearly have as much customize options. But still, it's enough for me and I used MIUI ROM so it reminds a lot of the iOS.
I never even used widgets after a while because widget made my already crappy battery run out of ´cream´ even faster.
I'm still thinking of maybe take a S3 though because of the iPhone seems to have a bit of problems(easy scratches and some other minor stuff)
Though the S3 in my eyes is REALLY big. I can still cancel my order on the iPhone so if anyone after reading this can convince me to get the S3. Please go ahead.
I really loved my time with android. But I kind of got sick on it. Maybe if I try both the iPhone 5 and GSIII I can finally make a 100% accurate choice.
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I won't try to dissuade you. If T-Mobile hadn't given me a good deal to stay, or I weren't on T-Mobile to start with, I might have decided to give the iPhone 5 a try. That said, my understanding from a relative who happily uses Apple products is that, if as I do you use Google calendar and Gmail, then there's no significant advantage to the iPhone over the Galaxy S III. What you're left with is a choice between two very good products, each of which has advantages and disadvantages.

So you preordered a phone? What provider? Then used it and didnt like it. Then you got a S3 today and you have already rooted it? Judging by your sig?

@OP I moved to the dfw area a few months ago and had Sprint. nearly two months went by, I had absolutely no service and they said it's because they're "upgrading". I don't call that much of an upgrade if I can't even make calls. And the wimax was still awful. So you made the right choice switching. I also switched to tmo, got an amazing deal and am loving the 4g, WiFi calling, and service in general. Plus the s3 makes it that much sweeter.
If you haven't yet, make sure to call and ask them to add the free WiFi calling onto your account.
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RebDovid said:
I won't try to dissuade you. If T-Mobile hadn't given me a good deal to stay, or I weren't on T-Mobile to start with, I might have decided to give the iPhone 5 a try. That said, my understanding from a relevative who happily uses Apple products is that, if as I do you use Google calendar and Gmail, then there's no significant advantage to the iPhone over the Galaxy S III. What you're left with is a choice between two very good products, each of which has advantages and disadvantages.
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I'm going to visit a local store and try out the S3 and check if it's possible to get my interest back to android.
Than only time will tell if I decide to cancel the order or not and get the S3 instead.
Also the 4G version of the Galaxy S3 is not released here in Sweden yet I think.

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So you preordered a phone? What provider? Then used it and didnt like it. Then you got a S3 today and you have already rooted it? Judging by your sig?
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I had T-Mobile to begin with (grandfathered with unlimited data). My plan doesn't end until December, but I figured I got tired of flashing unstable roms on my Nexus S that I'd give iPhone a try, as people kept saying "oh it's so easy to use and it's so stable". I used the iPhone 5 from Friday afternoon till Saturday night. I ran into too many customization / sync issues where I just had enough of it and I wiped the phone clean and ready to be returned. Sunday came and I called up Sprint, and cancelled my plan and set up my phone to be returned. Afterwards, went over to T-Mobile as I have the itch for a new phone. Spoke w/ the rep at the store and turns out I could upgrade my account for some reason (though I kept thinking I had to wait the full 2 years to upgrade my line). So picked up the GS3 right then and had everything up and running. I was already using ParanoidAndroid 2.13 on my Nexus S, so it wasn't difficult to get everything up and running. This is much improved over my last phone. 2GB ram vs 512MB (380MB usable) and 1.5GHz+ (oc'd to 1.7 via LeanKernel) vs 1.2GHz Marmite Kernel. GS3 was an overall much better experience.
As for the iPhone, it's a great phone (smooth, fast, and pretty). Great build quality and finish and amazing display. It did feel more delicate as the surface seemed a bit more prone to scratches (back and sides). Mine however was fine, but I don't speak for everyone. The anodized aluminum is more likely to get scratched, and I got the white one so it is less noticeable. The GS3, even though plastic, actually seemed more durable to everyday use, as one would probably not want to constantly worry about scratching the beautiful iPhone shell. Also accessories are scarce for the iPhone. My case was pre-ordered, and still not shipped out today. Cancelled that as I no longer plan on sticking with the iPhone. Also trying to get additional USB->Lightning cables was going to cause me to have to wait another 2-3 weeks due to backorder.
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@OP I moved to the dfw area a few months ago and had Sprint. nearly two months went by, I had absolutely no service and they said it's because they're "upgrading". I don't call that much of an upgrade if I can't even make calls. And the wimax was still awful. So you made the right choice switching. I also switched to tmo, got an amazing deal and am loving the 4g, WiFi calling, and service in general. Plus the s3 makes it that much sweeter.
If you haven't yet, make sure to call and ask them to add the free WiFi calling onto your account.
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As for Sprint, they had deceptive LTE advertising. I canceled well within the 14 day trial period ( < 72 hours to be exact). Sprint's 3G is the equivalent of dialup. T-mobile's 4G, even though not real 4G, is still comparable to cable/dsl speeds. Fios-like speeds of LTE is great, but not necessary. Just thinking about the data cap from AT&T or Verizon, as I'm not grandfathered on those plans, would mean constant worry about if I'm hitting cap or not. But anyways, I didn't sign up for Sprint to use my iPhone on WiFi or wait the 1-2 years till they finally finish rolling out LTE in DFW.
BTW, did you end up paying any termination fees? You stated 2 months went by. I just figured, I'd GTFO ASAP haha. Sprint's 3G was unacceptable in today's terms.

Aria807 said:
Preordered iPhone5. Received it Friday Sept 21. Returned Sunday 2-3 days later. Picked up t-mobile Galaxy S3 right after returning the iPhone5.
So glad I am back on Android. From the 2-3 days of ownership of the iPhone5/iOS (as this was my 1st iPhone and I just wanted to experiment to see how I'd like it), I was not able to do very basic things I wanted, or any reasonable person would expect to be able to do to a phone.
1st off, Ringtones. Anyone owning a phone would have a reasonable expectation to be able to change / add custom ringtones. Should I have to pay for it? Maybe, that is if I don't want to cut the songs myself. I already have ringtones from my last phone which was basic mp3s I could have drag/dropped over. But with iPhone, I had to go through tedious process of utilizing iTunes as a medium, converting to AAC format, moving onto desktop, deleting the ones in iTunes, then renaming the .m4a format to .m4r, then dragging it back into iTunes, then syncing. I could have done all this on Android by just plugging it to my comp, locate Ringtones folder, dropped it in, and done.
Sync was an issue too. I'm pretty sure most people use gmail in some way, and all my contacts are in gmail. Tried to get contacts to sync over to iCloud was a hassle. It would only sync the root folder group of contacts and not the other groups. I had to manually export each contact group to my comp, then import into iCloud. Now if I added/made changes to a contact on my iPhone, I'd have to go back home, and re-enter a new contact in google. It's just not a seamless process.
Also the AppStore. Every 15 minutes I want to get an app, I am asked to enter a password. And Apple requires a complicated pw with uppercase/lowercase, numbers, special characters. It's not by any means easy to type on the phone every time I want to install something.
No widgets either on iOs. No notification widgets to easy turn on/off options like WiFi, screen rotation, GPS, Bluetooth. I have to go into settings and navigate through menus to turn them on/off.
I didn't like how all the apps just show up on the home screen as iOS doesn't have a drawer like Android, and I'd have to dump everything into folders if I didn't want to see it. Also all the icons just align from right to left, top to bottom. I can't change where they are on the page except for the order it flows. I read maybe JailBreaking can help with this customization, but I don't think I want to wait that long for an untethered JB to be available for the iPhone5 to be released.
Forgot to add, I have a TF700 and I utilize TabletTalk to sync SMS to my Tablet and send SMS via the Tablet. This wouldn't have worked out for an Android Tablet with an iPhone.
Side issue that affected me, but unrelated to Apple, was the fact Sprint had deceptive advertising regarding their LTE coverage. As you guys know, iPhone is either 3G or LTE; no WiMax. In DFW, even though coverage map shows I am clearly in 4G LTE coverage, Sprint indeed only had 1 LTE tower up and running in the other side of Dallas of where I am at. And Dallas is a pretty damn big city, so all I ever saw was 3G. Sprint's 3G was < 1mbps down/upload, which is unacceptable as I am paying for "unlimited 3g/4g data" cost of an additional $10/month. It is hardly enough bandwidth to stream music / video or let alone download apps unless I am connected to WiFi; which then goes back to the point of why am I even paying for data. Unlimited data is pointless at that speed and I'm not going to wait 1-2 yrs for Sprint to finish rolling out LTE in Dallas; since by then my contract would have expired anyways and I could just switch to Sprint then.
But overall, I didn't try to / demand anything complicated out of the phone. The simple things I wanted it to do, didn't go as I had expected, even though I kept hearing how easy iPhones are to use, and how stable it is. Stable OS, smooth processing, and pretty, yes. But basic simple customization / syncing, no. And now I totally understand when Android users are trolling iPhone users.
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Yup Apple sucks

Oh, My God! I'm getting the update! (NOT!)

I just called AT&T and gave them hell about the lack of progress on the Marshmallow update. Asked how much it would cost to close my account. Miraculously; I was forwarded to a tech support person with an IQ just North of a bedroom slipper. She forced the update to my phone. I'm past the download and my apps are optimizing. Incredible! Before I post, I'm going to wait to be sure, but it looks like I'm getting the Big M! 8 more apps to go! 1 more. Holding breath. BS! Don't know what it actually did, but still on 5.11. Time for the big guns. Stay tuned.

Just north of a bedroom slipper. Thats hilarious.
??????

Big News! AT&T Are Liars!
I called back and spoke to another Golgi apparatus who denied that they ever said that. My, how his toned changed when I started playing back the conversation from Total Recall. He proceeded to tell me that I could pay an ETF of $350.00. I told him that based on the recorded lies that they told me; I DARED them to try to collect. Never mind - just more AT&T BS. {Sigh!}

Sorry. "Just North of a bedroom slipper" and "Golgi apparatus" were complements for these oxygen thieves. Maggots is placing them in high regard. AT&T customer since 1985, and this is how I'm treated? I'm dropping them like a used rubber. Don't have any better "smoking gun" solutions since I travel internationally a good bit; but, I'll cut off my nose to spite AT&T at this point. (Extremely foul language omitted)

Sometimes I think to my self, how fun would of been if this device would of been root able? Big-time developers would be on this specific forum. Idk but lately I've been complementing on wether to give att another chance or split to tmobile
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Sorry that happened, it's the worst when you get your hopes up only to have them dashed.
Highly unlikely that att would push out an update to a single user, some of us have been trying to get beta releases for years. Unfortunately, we just have to wait.

So help me; she SWORE that they were already rolling it out (another lie), but I wasn't in the queue yet, and I'd be receiving it soon. She was such a polished liar that it takes my breath away. Then, she gave me the schmoozing touch by saying "Well, you're such a valued customer that I'm going to go ahead and push it to your phone." Eloquent liar. She said "Look at the top of your screen and tell me what you see?" I saw the diagonal arrows that only mean one thing. I was ecstatic! I told her: " I can't believe you were able to do it that fast!" She poured it on even thicker by saying "Now, wait with me for a little bit to make sure it goes through." Sucker!!! I waited until it had gotten to the 100% point and was prompted by the phone to end my call to finish the update. I thanked her profusely, and hung up.
I'm sure they were slapping their knees after I got off the phone with them. The phone went through the expected gyrations with the progress bar, optimizing apps, rebooting, etc. When it finished recycling; there was the all too familiar screen again. My heart was beating like a rabbits. I went to the phone info, and sure enough... Still Lollipop! SUCKER! I felt like Curly from The Three Stooges after Moe just double poked him in the eyes.
Now; I'm pissed. But, being the weekend, I realize that the only person to answer their phone is Hajji over in India, so that's a waste of time. So; my choices are: Stay with AT&T and continue to have nearly seamless international roaming, or cut my throat and go with Verizon - just to match my domestic coverage - (Same high price, same obstinance, but little to no international coverage, same hardware restrictions), or go with a lone wolf like T-Mobile - or worse - Sprint.
Deflated.

stay with At&t but never buy phones from them. nexus is the way to go my friend.

OP, I honestly cannot tell if you are for real.

Oh; trust me; I'm real. And, everything - virtually everything happened exactly the way I said it. It would be hard to make that one up.
As for the Nexus; I've considered that. Perhaps my timing's been bad, but I'm a little underwhelmed by the Nexus phones that I've seen. Especially without Mini-SD cards. It seems like there's always some stranglehold. I've been a Sammy fan for about 4 years now. The previous one was the Note 3 that I purchased outright from AT&T. Root eventually made it's way to it, but I jumped when the Note 5 came out without the SD card slot, and no removable battery. I panicked and snatched up the Note 4. Big mistake.
I wish there was a way to purchase an unlocked, unbranded Samsung Note that would work seamlessly on AT&T, allow updates without the bloat, and let me do what I wanted to do with what I bought. It defies logic.

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Oh; trust me; I'm real. And, everything - virtually everything happened exactly the way I said it. It would be hard to make that one up.
As for the Nexus; I've considered that. Perhaps my timing's been bad, but I'm a little underwhelmed by the Nexus phones that I've seen. Especially without Mini-SD cards. It seems like there's always some stranglehold. I've been a Sammy fan for about 4 years now. The previous one was the Note 3 that I purchased outright from AT&T. Root eventually made it's way to it, but I jumped when the Note 5 came out without the SD card slot, and no removable battery. I panicked and snatched up the Note 4. Big mistake.
I wish there was a way to purchase an unlocked, unbranded Samsung Note that would work seamlessly on AT&T, allow updates without the bloat, and let me do what I wanted to do with what I bought. It defies logic.
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Only optio. U have for an unbranded one os international version

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Only optio. U have for an unbranded one os international version
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Likely has no warranty I the states, and difficult to get, many are sold as 910f but are 910a with a system mod applied via odin to make it look like an 910f...

OK, I'll bite. You really didn't know that the ATT associates don't know when any update will occur? You really wasted all this time and energy and anger over this? That is why I smell a troll; everyone knows this, and it has been reiterated a thousand times. The fact is they simply do not know.

Think what you want. I'm not trying to impress you or anyone else. I'm venting my frustration and experience.
Now; if she'd told me that the update would hit at a certain time; I'd have taken it with a grain of salt. But, the way she schmoozed me; I bought hook, line, and sinker. Not to mention all of the speculation on this board that the update was immanent; I thought I'd hit the goldmine. That's what pisses me off. I'll be more than happy to post the recording (~10MB) of the 47 minute conversation - if you have the time to waste listening to it.
And, no; I'm not going to roll the dice on an international - or any other illegitimate phone - in the hopes that I can get what I paid for. That's just another frustration. It would be like buying a fancy Dell computer with a 3TB HD, but they installed 1.5TB of bloatware on the drive and if you took it off; your computer would crash.
OK, I'm done.

I have been an AT&T customer since 96. My first smartphone was the Sony x10a, loved it. Then I saw an ad in a magazine for the ion lt28at. I knew 6 months before the 6 AT&T employees(1 per month) that AT&T was getting it. I "chat" with AT&T about every 2 weeks to see if there's any info when updates are supposed to be released. Occasionally one will act like they have the inside scoop, usually, like with the ion, they're as clueless as we are. I fallen victim to false hope, I'm sure many of us have. Yes, AT&T sucks when it comes to updates and bloat, but I will tell you this, every single time I've had an issue they've done everything they can to make me happy. To me that goes a long way towards keeping my brand loyalty. AT&T is a pretty solid company and would have to do something much worse than delaying updates to lose my business.
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yes they can push updates to individual devices, because i called as asked to have that done with the latest security patch, and the person asked me for my IMEI and told me it would take a couple of hours, sure enough within that time I had the notification for the security update.

xateeq said:
stay with At&t but never buy phones from them. nexus is the way to go my friend.
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I agree. I have a contract that was supposed to allow me to upgrade phones every two years. I went in and was told that they don't do upgrades anymore even if it is in your contract. Which means I have to pay that price on my bill and not get the benefit of it. They very eagerly offered to take that off my bill but it would kill my unlimited data. Why in the hell would I buy a phone from them if I can get one that is not locked down for the same price?

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Looks like another security update. I guess this means MM is a ways off.
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It's a dead topic in my opinion. We all know that AT&T's customer service is horrible and will tell you anything. What I found so insulting was the level of deceit that they went to convince me that I was going to get the update. Shouldn't be surprised. That's why I record theirs and a few other companies phone calls to confront them when they don't live up to what was promised. I still find it incredible!
So; I'm stuck with AT&T, or another carrier that's as bad or worse. It's a shame. I used to be able to count on AT&T as fulfilling their promises. My experience over the past couple of years is that you roll the dice, and HOPE you get what was promised. I suppose that's the only option. Their management could care less.
I'm done with this topic. Feel free to rant - which was my purpose - it seems to have no effect on them. They know your options are limited.

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It's a dead topic in my opinion. We all know that AT&T's customer service is horrible and will tell you anything. What I found so insulting was the level of deceit that they went to convince me that I was going to get the update. Shouldn't be surprised. That's why I record theirs and a few other companies phone calls to confront them when they don't live up to what was promised. I still find it incredible!
So; I'm stuck with AT&T, or another carrier that's as bad or worse. It's a shame. I used to be able to count on AT&T as fulfilling their promises. My experience over the past couple of years is that you roll the dice, and HOPE you get what was promised. I suppose that's the only option. Their management could care less.
I'm done with this topic. Feel free to rant - which was my purpose - it seems to have no effect on them. They know your options are limited.
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Why wont you go buy a T-mobile phone and unlock the sim for use on at&t. Get your root, custom roms, updates.... i have a t-mobile Samsung s5 also Note 4 and finally Note Edge, all rooted and custom roms. All working on AT&T straight talk network. I can update to custom MM right now if i wished.
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