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I love my Evo, but I am contently torn between fresh's sense rom and CM. I have a hole routine of going from one to the other and having to backup and reload every time I do. They both are great but have their strong and weak points. I know we will never have a perfect rom that satisfies everything so i would like to have the ability with a simple app, be able to switch between roms more easily. Much like Rom Manager but more stream-lined. have 2 different roms all set up and backed up on the phone and the app backup and load the other version and vice versa. but also have the ability to wipe out the previous back up when done switching. Im not asking for a fancy boot loader but more an automated Nandroid swapper. I have 20 bucks in it for someone to pull this off.

hi guys, what's going on in here?

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hi guys, what's going on in here?
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$20? I really think a dev is worth more then that if he was going to obey your command. phew

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hi guys, what's going on in here?
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R....O....F....L....!

ricersniper said:
I love my Evo, but I am contently torn between fresh's sense rom and CM. I have a hole routine of going from one to the other and having to backup and reload every time I do. They both are great but have their strong and weak points. I know we will never have a perfect rom that satisfies everything so i would like to have the ability with a simple app, be able to switch between roms more easily. Much like Rom Manager but more stream-lined. have 2 different roms all set up and backed up on the phone and the app backup and load the other version and vice versa. but also have the ability to wipe out the previous back up when done switching. Im not asking for a fancy boot loader but more an automated Nandroid swapper. I have 20 bucks in it for someone to pull this off.
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$20 is not worth the pain in the ass of doing that...in fact I don't think an "app" could do that - ROM Manager is the closest you're going to get. Even if an app /was/ created, it still wouldn't be a quick jump from ROM to ROM, it would still take the same amount of time of restoring a nandroid. Next time, put a thread like this in the Themes and Apps section since you are requesting an application.

hey i dumped all my cash on the phone. if i had anymore than a 20 to my name i would throw it in i promise. besides their is enough interest in this i think others would be willing to throw in as well

this worked well last time >.>

ricersniper said:
I love my Evo, but I am contently torn between fresh's sense rom and CM. I have a hole routine of going from one to the other and having to backup and reload every time I do. They both are great but have their strong and weak points. I know we will never have a perfect rom that satisfies everything so i would like to have the ability with a simple app, be able to switch between roms more easily. Much like Rom Manager but more stream-lined. have 2 different roms all set up and backed up on the phone and the app backup and load the other version and vice versa. but also have the ability to wipe out the previous back up when done switching. Im not asking for a fancy boot loader but more an automated Nandroid swapper. I have 20 bucks in it for someone to pull this off.
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Hmm, so you want a Rom Manager clone does does 1 click backup/restore instead of 5/6 clicks on Rom Manager?

correct me if I'm wrong, but sounds to me like he wants, with one click, to backup his current rom AND switch to his alternate rom. that way every time he switches, his nandroid of the rom he switched from remains current. this would actually be pretty easy to write as a script I think. too bad I don't know how to do that
what would be even grander (and trickier) is to simultaneously have titanium backup do "redo backup" of user apps just prior to switching, and a "force restore" of user apps on bringing up the new rom, so even between nandroids, your user data stays current in your apps. how's that for dreaming.
no matter what, you've got the wait time to do all the backups. really, the better solution would be to run a separate version of android from an alternate location, like we used to do on the vogue. I used to be able to have 3 simultaneous bootable versions of android; one on nand, one on ext2, and one on the regular SD card. i could boot into each of them at will. now THAT'S what we need; I'd throw some money into the ability to boot from an ext3 partition.

tatnai said:
correct me if I'm wrong, but sounds to me like he wants, with one click, to backup his current rom AND switch to his alternate rom. that way every time he switches, his nandroid of the rom he switched from remains current. this would actually be pretty easy to write as a script I think. too bad I don't know how to do that
what would be even grander (and trickier) is to simultaneously have titanium backup do "redo backup" of user apps just prior to switching, and a "force restore" of user apps on bringing up the new rom, so even between nandroids, your user data stays current in your apps. how's that for dreaming.
no matter what, you've got the wait time to do all the backups. really, the better solution would be to run a separate version of android from an alternate location, like we used to do on the vogue. I used to be able to have 3 simultaneous bootable versions of android; one on nand, one on ext2, and one on the regular SD card. i could boot into each of them at will. now THAT'S what we need; I'd throw some money into the ability to boot from an ext3 partition.
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exactly....

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That's too funny, because it's true.
I actually keep going back and forth between the same 2 roms, I have both backed up and I make a new backup before switching to the other. The whole process takes less than 10 minutes but it's a bit of a pain and it would be cool to have it automated. $20 isn't much but I'm sure something like this would do fairly well on the market.
Edit: I've never really used Rom Manager too much but I was just playing around with it and it does everything the OP wants (as another person said, in 5 steps instead of 1) I didn't realize you could backup right from there as well and delete your old backups.

jerryparid said:
Hmm, so you want a Rom Manager clone does does 1 click backup/restore instead of 5/6 clicks on Rom Manager?
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he want's vmware for android... that's a pretty good idea actually. let you milk the cow before you buy it. i think i'll call there cost. service and see if they are interested

tatnai said:
correct me if I'm wrong, but sounds to me like he wants, with one click, to backup his current rom AND switch to his alternate rom. that way every time he switches, his nandroid of the rom he switched from remains current. this would actually be pretty easy to write as a script I think. too bad I don't know how to do that
what would be even grander (and trickier) is to simultaneously have titanium backup do "redo backup" of user apps just prior to switching, and a "force restore" of user apps on bringing up the new rom, so even between nandroids, your user data stays current in your apps. how's that for dreaming.
no matter what, you've got the wait time to do all the backups. really, the better solution would be to run a separate version of android from an alternate location, like we used to do on the vogue. I used to be able to have 3 simultaneous bootable versions of android; one on nand, one on ext2, and one on the regular SD card. i could boot into each of them at will. now THAT'S what we need; I'd throw some money into the ability to boot from an ext3 partition.
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he want's vmware for android... that's a pretty good idea actually. let you milk the cow before you buy it. i think i'll call there cost. service and see if they are interested
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no what we need is dual boot. the vogue has it, and it's a freakin old phone. the kernel would just have to be modified to include the ability to boot from an alternate location (sdcard ext3 partition), and then you would modify a recovery image (armon's for example) to set which partition to boot from.
two bootable locations is the answer, really. it was the $hit on the vogue. kept my daily use on nand, and my tester on ext3. sweetness.

this is a simple concept. dual boot would be great but i would settle for just one touch switching. and with rom manager it is 5 steps but some of those steps involve rebooting and waiting for it. it shouldn't be to difficult.

jerryparid said:
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I want a Pony! Perferably a Unicorn Pony!

tatnai said:
the kernel would just have to be modified to include the ability to boot from an alternate location
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No this would require a modified bootloader and isn't simple at all. Especially considering that developing it would run a high risk of bricking the phone during testing.

Cwm recovery backup rom not one file?

On my G2X I Modded that think a million times , every time I backup my ROM, it came in a one file format,, however with the Note 2 , it comes with multiple files and folders in my sd card, am i doing something wrong? Looked everywhere cannot find answer. Thanks

ronaldsalem75 said:
On my G2X I Modded that think a million times , every time I backup my ROM, it came in a one file format,, however with the Note 2 , it comes with multiple files and folders in my sd card, am i doing something wrong? Looked everywhere cannot find answer. Thanks
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Koush went to a "blobs" type system. Sort of a way to do incremental backups to save space instead of backing up the whole thing each time. Here's an explanation straight from the source: https://plus.google.com/103583939320326217147/posts/L5aVZe7C9vg

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Koush went to a "blobs" type system. Sort of a way to do incremental backups to save space instead of backing up the whole thing each time. Here's an explanation straight from the source: https://plus.google.com/103583939320326217147/posts/L5aVZe7C9vg
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Thanks. Very informative article and reply. Love this community. Peace

[Q] Craigslist safety net

Just have a quick question. Recently bought a phone on craigslist and even though the guy did a factory reset before giving it to me, it still has some of his files and apparently TB backups on the internal. So, wanting to have a way of tracking this guy down if things go bad, say, I get blacklisted, I'd like to be able to do so. I think I know the answer but want to make sure, a nandroid will save all the information on the internal including TB backups, data files, EVERYTHING, right? As if you were restoring it to the exact state it was in when you made the nandroid, right? If I were to use Rom Manager to make a complete backup, is it going to backup the SD card too? I want to say the last time I made a backup on my old phone, it was HUGE compared to the previous backup. Meaning, almost 3 gigs I think as opposed to maybe an 800 mb one before. Or could that be because the old backup was ICS and JB is just that much bigger.
I think I'm confident in believing that just making a nandroid would be all I need since the SD card is mine and contains none of his information. I want to make sure just in case and thought this would be the best way to figure it out. I would have no idea how to search for a question like this lol. Thanks in advance folks.

Backup your files and then tell us.
I highly doubt that it would work. My reason being is that if I backed up my files on my exterbal sd card and say get another note 2 and restored the same bacjup on there it would just install it correctly. See where im going?
If it were to change the imei number from the other phone then there would be two phones running the same imei number... which is paradoxical. Not possible.
Theres always variable change though. It might work it might not.
I'm a consultant... ask me anything... I'll run away.

tony yayo said:
Just have a quick question. Recently bought a phone on craigslist and even though the guy did a factory reset before giving it to me, it still has some of his files and apparently TB backups on the internal. So, wanting to have a way of tracking this guy down if things go bad, say, I get blacklisted, I'd like to be able to do so. I think I know the answer but want to make sure, a nandroid will save all the information on the internal including TB backups, data files, EVERYTHING, right? As if you were restoring it to the exact state it was in when you made the nandroid, right? If I were to use Rom Manager to make a complete backup, is it going to backup the SD card too? I want to say the last time I made a backup on my old phone, it was HUGE compared to the previous backup. Meaning, almost 3 gigs I think as opposed to maybe an 800 mb one before. Or could that be because the old backup was ICS and JB is just that much bigger.
I think I'm confident in believing that just making a nandroid would be all I need since the SD card is mine and contains none of his information. I want to make sure just in case and thought this would be the best way to figure it out. I would have no idea how to search for a question like this lol. Thanks in advance folks.
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A nandroid backup is a exact image of your OS, kernel, and boot image, that doesn't make a backup of your titanium backups because your titanium backups are stored in your internal SD. The best thing to do is make a copy of your internal SD in your computer or just copy your titanium backup folder to your computer.
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Many issues, storage the biggest

I am about 9 days into the purchase and may regret having done so. To keep this brief, I have never seen so many things that don't work right, out of the box. Mostly force closes on some key apps I have. However, the thing that is most irritating is the internal storage. I just went back to stock MDL, to sortof start from the beginning, but (and since I can't use Root Explorer atm) Estrongs file explorer still shows 8.37 GB's used out of 9.62. I get the thing where we really don't get 16 GB's, but I am looking at what is on the internal and I can't see anything at all that is using anything close to that much space. Is it correct that apps don't show up in a file explorer, and is that likely what is taking up all the space? Regardless, this is nuts. I can't be jockeying around with trying to free up a GB or two just to nandroid the stock ROM for the next two years or however long I have this. I was rooted and had installed a custom ROM or two since I got it, but I tried to nandroid the stock ROM before flashing AOKP last night, and it would not let me due to the internal card being full. Has anybody else experienced this, and figured out how to free up some significant space? Last couple of things: for when I am rooted, does anybody know how to get fix permissions in ROM Manager to work? I keep getting "error trying to run privileged commands". Has anybody gotten My Backup Pro to actually do a full backup? Finally, having gone back to MDL, isn't that what the phone "upgraded" to when I first turned it on, and am I now able to bring it back without concern of the warranty being voided?

Something must be wrong between your shoes & the phone...just saying.
Insert a Class 10 32GB stick from Samsung, storage woes solved. Added bonus, snap many more pics & faster too.
Lots of force-closes? On a custom ROM or OEM? Either way, be sure to FULLY WIPE when you do either...99.9999999% of n00b foolishness quoting "this phone is a piece of junk bla bla bla" stems from not following instructions properly, or just missing a key procedure.
Samsung have spent MANY millions developing this phone, rest assured that they've had any number of tards try to do stupid things with it to find it's weaknesses...hardware OR software.
Btw, why are you trying to have ROM Manager fix any permissions? Do you have expressed instruction to do so or is it an old habit from Android 2.2x days? Otherwise don't do it.

The storage is horrible. The external sd card if basically useless; you cant move apps and you cant backup directly to external sd. I'm returning the S4 tomorrow and going back to the S2.

Purple Velvet Pimp said:
The storage is horrible. The external sd card if basically useless; you cant move apps and you cant backup directly to external sd. I'm returning the S4 tomorrow and going back to the S2.
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You can't backup what? Nandroids? Yes you can. I don't know how you can fill up 9gb with apps but if you did then maybe you should get a different phone or wait for the 32gb version
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You can't backup what? Nandroids? Yes you can.
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Read what I wrote. 3 backups and I'm already maxed out, and I debloated before I backed up. Beautiful phone but I like the S2 a helluva lot more.
Update: Finally was able to save a backup to the external sd card. Keeping the S4

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Purple Velvet Pimp said:
The storage is horrible. The external sd card if basically useless; you cant move apps and you cant backup directly to external sd. I'm returning the S4 tomorrow and going back to the S2.
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I don't know where you guys get your information from, of course you can make nandroid backups and restore from
external sdcard using the latest CWM or TWRP recoveries, and of course you can flash roms and install APK apps
from either the internal sdcard or the external sd card.
You just need to get better acquainted with the file system in the Galaxy S4.
It is way different than the file system on the Galaxy S2 or S3.
Good Luck

puretone said:
Something must be wrong between your shoes & the phone...just saying.
Insert a Class 10 32GB stick from Samsung, storage woes solved. Added bonus, snap many more pics & faster too.
Lots of force-closes? On a custom ROM or OEM? Either way, be sure to FULLY WIPE when you do either...99.9999999% of n00b foolishness quoting "this phone is a piece of junk bla bla bla" stems from not following instructions properly, or just missing a key procedure.
Samsung have spent MANY millions developing this phone, rest assured that they've had any number of tards try to do stupid things with it to find it's weaknesses...hardware OR software.
Btw, why are you trying to have ROM Manager fix any permissions? Do you have expressed instruction to do so or is it an old habit from Android 2.2x days? Otherwise don't do it.
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Thanks for nothing. The subheading of this section is "HELP and troubleshooting", not butt wupping. How are my storage woes solved if there is not enough space on the internal card to then try to transfer it to the external, regardless of how large it is? Glad to know that you have it all together and never needed a hand to understand something. Oh, and BTW, good for you that you apparently don't have any "tards" in your family or in anybody's you know. Karma, dude.

Misterjunky said:
I don't know where you guys get your information from, of course you can make nandroid backups and restore from
external sdcard using the latest CWM or TWRP recoveries, and of course you can flash roms and install APK apps
from either the internal sdcard or the external sd card.
You just need to get better acquainted with the file system in the Galaxy S4.
It is way different than the file system on the Galaxy S2 or S3.
Good Luck
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With TWRP I get an almost instant failed when backing up to external. CWM took so long [easily 3 x longer than S2] I restarted. Finally I let it go about 20 min and it completed. Restore worked too. I've had trouble getting OUDHS to backup external and where I can see the file. With CWM I can at least see the file, renaming it though seems to screw up restore. OUDHS is the fastest, hope I can get it to work as needed.
UPDATE: just finished backing up with OUDHS & think I found the file. I had to install CWM recovery first, save to external so I have a backup folder created under clockworkmod and now OUDHS saves to that folder. Before it was nowhere to be found. Nice.
I don't know where you guys get your information from
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Mainly porn sites, why?

Purple Velvet Pimp said:
The storage is horrible. The external sd card if basically useless; you cant move apps and you cant backup directly to external sd. I'm returning the S4 tomorrow and going back to the S2.
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I've got nearly 120 apps installed, all downloaded from the play store, nearly 7GB free space left on internal storage. How many apps etc do you have installed? Or do you mean that the performance of the internal card is horrible?
I backed up to external 3 times now; ROM Manager, MyBackup & Titanium all allow it.
Is Apps2SD not available for the S4?
You might miss some of the speed of the S4 if you go back to the S2
Also keep in mind that they may not take it back for a refund or anything in the worst case. It is likely that you've got to pay the 75$ restocking fee.
Edit: duh, you've already answered yourself, my bad. Tho keep in mind keeping 1 or 2 ROM backups is usually enough, unless you're developing really hardcore.
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Thanks for nothing. The subheading of this section is "HELP and troubleshooting", not butt wupping. How are my storage woes solved if there is not enough space on the internal card to then try to transfer it to the external, regardless of how large it is? Glad to know that you have it all together and never needed a hand to understand something. Oh, and BTW, good for you that you apparently don't have any "tards" in your family or in anybody's you know. Karma, dude.
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Relax, I wasn't referring to you as a tard, I meant the many unsuspecting randomly chosen folks charged with road-testing early development S4's...you know, the product surveying/market research boffins.
What you did describe previously sounds a heck of a lot like a missing step here or there. I've been there often, with a phone acting wonky, until I found it was all my dumb mistakes bc I didn't bother to RTFM enough. Don't take the internet so seriously, after all the internet is full of cynical bastards like myself.
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With TWRP I get an almost instant failed when backing up to external. CWM took so long [easily 3 x longer than S2] I restarted. Finally I let it go about 20 min and it completed. Restore worked too. I've had trouble getting OUDHS to backup external and where I can see the file. With CWM I can at least see the file, renaming it though seems to screw up restore. OUDHS is the fastest, hope I can get it to work as needed.
UPDATE: just finished backing up with OUDHS & think I found the file. I had to install CWM recovery first, save to external so I have a backup folder created under clockworkmod and now OUDHS saves to that folder. Before it was nowhere to be found. Nice.
Mainly porn sites, why?
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I had pretty much the exact same issues. CWM now works just fine.
There is mention that on the S4 / 4.2.2, file storage is encrypted and hidden if I remember correctly.

puretone said:
I've got nearly 120 apps installed, all downloaded from the play store, nearly 7GB free space left on internal storage. How many apps etc do you have installed? Or do you mean that the performance of the internal card is horrible?
I backed up to external 3 times now; ROM Manager, MyBackup & Titanium all allow it.
Is Apps2SD not available for the S4?
You might miss some of the speed of the S4 if you go back to the S2
Also keep in mind that they may not take it back for a refund or anything in the worst case. It is likely that you've got to pay the 75$ restocking fee.
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I got about 71 apps & now that I figured out how to get my backups on external I got a little over 8gb on internal. I can live with that. The internal memory performance is fine, it was the limited space I was griping about. Apps2SD and similar programs won't work on S4 or S3 I believe. S2 is good to go depending on ROM. I think my backing up to external problem was due to using an 8gb card for testing instead of a larger one. Once I put in a 32gb it was off to the races
You're right about the speed, the S4 blows the doors off the S2. Restoring my sms' was 10x faster. And I got a sick odex theme so I'm mostly stock but thoroughly themed.
And with Tmobile the restock fee is $50, not bad if you're not happy with the phone

So here is my issue...
I've backed up with OUDHS the first day i had the phone and without a sdcard on it... Now I cant find the backup folder and my internal storage is completely empty but when i check on the PC it has 3gb of used space! How is it possible? My only guess is that the backup is somewhere in there but i cant find it at all.... I've looked with root explorer and nothing!
Any ideas?

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Recover storage after format?

not sure how or why, but my n7 soft bricked during a reboot. i wasn't able to get into recovery at all even after reflashing twrp. i am unlocked/rooted so i flashed stock images which worked as the tablet was able to boot. however, it unfortunately wiped my storage. is there any way to recover that data? i've been unable to find anything that has been able to scan it for deleted files. im most concerned about my titanium backups. thanks for any recommendations.

redbeard1083 said:
not sure how or why, but my n7 soft bricked during a reboot. i wasn't able to get into recovery at all even after reflashing twrp. i am unlocked/rooted so i flashed stock images which worked as the tablet was able to boot. however, it unfortunately wiped my storage. is there any way to recover that data? i've been unable to find anything that has been able to scan it for deleted files. im most concerned about my titanium backups. thanks for any recommendations.
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May wanna give this post a read: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=47623410. It's very well written and explains how storage works on Nexus devices.
If it's too long, and you don't feel like reading... Bottom line, I'm afraid you're out of luck. Sorry for your loss. This is why I always keep copies of my nandroid and TiBu backups off the device in case this happens. Also, I have Dropbox and Google+ backup all my pics and vids to the cloud since I've already fallen victim to losing them once before.
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that sucks! i do greatly appreciate your taking the time to respond though. better luck next time, right?

redbeard1083 said:
that sucks! i do greatly appreciate your taking the time to respond though. better luck next time, right?
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For sure. I still remember that feeling in the pit of my stomach when I realized I had just accidentally deleted the camera folder on my GNex. That's why I went total overkill and have both Dropbox and Google+ backup all my pics and videos. I swore, "Never again!"