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[Q] My Defy really is Dead!

Ok my phone is DEAD! Yes I have have read alot of posts and used my mate "Google" but they are all saying or pointing to the threads saying flash with the .sdf files with RSD which I have done Infact i've tried most .sdf images. I work in ICT so I know to do research first before posting but I'm not getting anywhere. I just hope i'm being a numpty and missed something.
I have an unbranded UK one original version 2.21 and I had successfully flashed with the available roms on here and others by following the steps, but last night I flashed it with PAYS rom and it was fine but then it all went pear shaped when I tried to flash it back to the original 2.21 rom via RSD Lite but it's just a black screen and when plugged in I get a charge light. The Battery is fully charged.
I can not enter Bootloader and when I enter system recovery it does not respond when pressing the bottom right hand corner.
RSD does see the phone connected and it runs through the process of flashing it but then it goes to re-boot and nothing. RSD says it's finished, it does not go through the process of re-booting the phone.
In RSD on the phone properties this is all I get:-
IMEI/ESN/MEID: N / A
Technology: N / A
Software Version: N / A
Flex Version: N / A
Bootloader Version: v0x000910
DRM Version: N / A
AP Die ID: 1e600209036f60010000d8ff0100
BP Die ID: 0000000000000000000000000000
AP Public ID: a9e56c008df05759e72a50cf0e4ce907eea6c0de
Please, please somebody help me!

Simple way to start off is to start with original UK 2.51 sbf. Forget 2.2 now and start from beginning. I bricked mine trying Pays too.
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chaihg said:
Simple way to start off is to start with original UK 2.51 sbf. Forget 2.2 now and start from beginning. I bricked mine trying Pays too.
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Hi,
I have tried flashing the 2.51.sbf even tho it has the problems with downgrading. It does the same as the the other 5 or 6 i've tried.
Thanks for your suggestion tho.

I'm no expert, but is this where the touch all four corners going clockwise starting is upper left comes in?
Thought I read something about doing that when touching the single corner didn't work to get into recovery.
I could have misremembered (don't even know if it was in this forum), but it couldn't be that hard to try and it doesn't sound like you have much to lose.
maybe search four corners or something to figure out more.

Maybe time for factory repair

ABC_Universal said:
Maybe time for factory repair
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I think it may be time to call Motorola. Thanks for the tips guys.
Just tried the battery hack to charge it but nothing, even uninstalled everyting and downloading fresh .sbf files from work and still DEAD!
RIP Moto Defy, it was only one week old!
On a life experience tho, my first even bricked device......woooohoooooooo!
I've had quite a few phones that I have customized from here, top effot guys. There are many greats minds on here.
Think as i've just lost it, it could be time to retire and go (dare I say it!) mainstream, run of the mill Nokia.....GULP!

In the future it would be better to post these issues in the thread of the ROM you are having issues with. More people who may have had similar issues may be able to help you and it helps the dev know what issues you're having.

it_ferret said:
I think it may be time to call Motorola. Thanks for the tips guys.
Just tried the battery hack to charge it but nothing, even uninstalled everyting and downloading fresh .sbf files from work and still DEAD!
RIP Moto Defy, it was only one week old!
On a life experience tho, my first even bricked device......woooohoooooooo!
I've had quite a few phones that I have customized from here, top effot guys. There are many greats minds on here.
Think as i've just lost it, it could be time to retire and go (dare I say it!) mainstream, run of the mill Nokia.....GULP!
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Did you send it away?. You sounded like a bright guy we could have solved this together though . Ultimate thing you could have done was to flash one of the leaked original UK froyo sbf. If you still have not sent it then do this. BTW what is the bootloader version when you put it on vol up+ power ?

Have the same problem
The phone is briked. Only RSD is working but wathever sbf I flash, at the end i get the same black screen. I can not do anything. Please could someone help us?
If someone send their phone to service, please share the result.
The only sbf file that start the phone is
JRDNEM_U3_3.4.2_117-002_BLUR_SIGN_SIGNED_USAJRDNEMARAB1B8RTGB035.0R_USAJRDNFRYORTGB_P003_A002_HWp3_Service1FF.sbf
but is working hard, the market is not working, everything i want to download is say that is downloading and nothing hapends.
Could someone tell me how to go back to original software?
The recovery mode is not working, when the android face is showing, i tap all corners and all display area but nothing hapend.

For recovery mode, you should click both vol up and vol down simultaneously. They changed the recovery button function with the new bootloader.

it_ferret said:
Ok my phone is DEAD! .....
Please, please somebody help me!
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I had the same problem, but with luck i had read this thread :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=940647&highlight=market
and i succeded to restore my "brick" into one working phone.
Try it.
Many thanks to : adlx.xda

Edit: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11226369&postcount=5 works for me
Umm... I just bricked mine (HK version 2.51.0) as well.
I used ClockWorkMod Recovery for Defy to install 3.4.2 131-003 Orange Deblur. When the recovery finished, I found a tiny yellow line "E: can't open /cache/recovery/command" on the bottom of screen. Not sure if it was there before the recovery. When rebooted the phone showed the M logo for a minute, turned black for a second, and showed the M back again in loop.
Then I installed RSDlite 4.8 to flash the sbf directly. RSDlite finished and showed a "Pass". The phone was turned off automatically but couldn't be turned on again. The battery was fully charged before I started the update so it's not likely the battery charge problem.

Weudel said:
In the future it would be better to post these issues in the thread of the ROM you are having issues with. More people who may have had similar issues may be able to help you and it helps the dev know what issues you're having.
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I did post in the thread.

Heys guys thanks for all the comments, but last night it came alive.
I used 3 different computers and in the end the last pc I used was a WIN 7 x64 machine and it managed to complete the .sbf install which was a 34.4 version then i applied my previously nand backup to 34.4.4 US T-Mobile version which is Jboogie3 rom.
Keep up the good work guys and gals. This is an excellent community to be in.

ABC_Universal said:
Edit: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11226369&postcount=5 works for me
I tried this install but that aswell failed.
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im a newbie at this and did pays flash but had probs couldnt dial out ect ect so went to recovery but could not get bottom left hand screen work so after half day of trying i clicked both bottom -vol and top+ vol and restart button on top and it worked!!! but thought id give the rom one last go so did factory reboot flashed cash ect restarted signed into blur and now works great pleased i stuck with it...cheers pays

BRICKED Black screen s5660 + download mode pls help :( going nuts

Hi guys,
Any idea for what to do with a black screen brick S5660? I tried most things i could come up with for like a month now xD
Maybe its time to ask for help hehe
i went from 2.3.3 to 2.3.6 then put superuser on it with root.
Then putted cwm on it and last of all rom manager then flashed a wrong rom it seems ( was late didnt pay enough attention and i was stil bit noobie back then )
and after that it never came back alive shamely.
I tried every button combo and only thing windows7 x64 seems to see is download mode with a black screen so i tried Odin but its stuck on connection setup always with whatever ROM i use and on whatever port.
Also tried my gf's comp same story.
I even tried vmware and did a guest windows7 32 on it to flash but same story blegh
Any ideas? would be awesome if someone knew the answer

One thing, never use ROM manager on a Gio it will be flashed to a brick

you can test this..
coz my phone is oke..
http://androidflip.com/unbrick-samsung-android-phones-click-guide/
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(Frank) said:
One thing, never use ROM manager on a Gio it will be flashed to a brick
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Lol i noticed. Thats why i said i was a bit of a noobie when i tried
It went straight to brick black mode but after all this reading on this and other forums i wont do that ever again trust me ;p
Thnx nhascyerg i will check that link and see if i tried it allready or not ^^

You managed to get your phone up and working again? How?
I flashed CWM Recovery 4.0.1.5 with Rom Manager... bad move indeed.

be_born said:
You managed to get your phone up and working again? How?
I flashed CWM Recovery 4.0.1.5 with Rom Manager... bad move indeed.
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Sorry for late reply was on vacation etc lol BUT no in the end i couldnt get it to work on my own even with USB jig/every stock custom rom kernel bla bla in the world
Took it to shop and they switched my lil motherboard on it ( was fcked ) then it worked.
ps: phone now runs on cm9 with cwm 5+ and all kind of funny zhizzle
Shame the screen went poof on vacation when it dropped 10cm on a matras ( not joking )
So its black AGAIN with nice white dim lights when it refuses to switch on the LCD but the OS works lol
BUT THIS COULD MAYBE HELP PEOPLE
I can RUN it and SEE what it does with Android screen capture and sdk monitor ( very handy when ur screen is broken but OS isnt or in bootloop but u cant see screen cause its broken and ur wondering why doesnt it work :'( <-- my phone did that )
AND i can even TYPE in the screen with Remote web desktop + remote control add-on + wifi keyboard app with my OWN USB pc keyboard
( very handy when screen is broken on a non psyshical keyboard phone right? whaha
Tbh i didnt know any of these programs before this happened so i researched how to remote control an Android device on a desktop with a broken screen .
Hardly any info on that so here and there i read tried and added **** togheter for 4 days +- till it came out almost perfect ^^
Shame the screen is still broken lol but i got full control over it now 4 days ago that was 0% so im happy
EDIT: Try Android screencast. It shows the screen + u can click control it + keyboard when rooted over USB

[UNRESOLVED / CLOSED] Friend of mine getting a white screen

EDIT - No sollution found!!
Please examine this thread if you have similar problems, but please don't ask how we got it fixed. The phone was just done for, dead, bricked, whatever you want to call it.
Good luck with yours!
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Orriginal post below.
Hey people,
A friend of mine is getting a white screen on his Galaxy Y, can't do anything with it. Even a hard reset (as found on the internet) doesn't work. (Hard reset being holding volume up, center button and power button).
Does anyone have experience with this problem?
Tim
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First state what happen?
Try remove battery and power on again. If its not work try volume down home button then power button. If the download mode appears flash stock rom again using odin..
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timmiej93 said:
Hey people,
A friend of mine is getting a white screen on his Galaxy Y, can't do anything with it. Even a hard reset (as found on the internet) doesn't work. (Hard reset being holding volume up, center button and power button).
Does anyone have experience with this problem?
Tim
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Thats NOT a hard reset! Pull the battery, and insert it again. Now do your "hard reset". As in, holding volume up+home+power key together until you see the Samsung logo. Do a data wipe and restart. If that doesnt work, search for flashable firmware packages in the Development section. If that doesn't work either, replace your phone.

Hey guys,
Thank you both for your replies.
rockerblood said:
First state what happen?
Try remove battery and power on again. If its not work try volume down home button then power button. If the download mode appears flash stock rom again using odin..
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Stating what happened: He just suddenly had a white screen, unable to do anything with the phone. Rebooting, pulling the battery etc. didn't do anything.
Your second option didn't work either unfortunatly.
Raol Emostar said:
Thats NOT a hard reset! Pull the battery, and insert it again. Now do your "hard reset". As in, holding volume up+home+power key together until you see the Samsung logo. Do a data wipe and restart. If that doesnt work, search for flashable firmware packages in the Development section. If that doesn't work either, replace your phone.
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Sorry about that, I just read in about this phone, since it's not mine, and I already forgot about the second part.
Unfortunately, neither of this works. Every boot method gets him a white screen. Since he rooted his phone about a week ago, looks like he's going to need a new one.

timmiej93 said:
Hey guys,
Thank you both for your replies.
Stating what happened: He just suddenly had a white screen, unable to do anything with the phone. Rebooting, pulling the battery etc. didn't do anything.
Your second option didn't work either unfortunatly.
Sorry about that, I just read in about this phone, since it's not mine, and I already forgot about the second part.
Unfortunately, neither of this works. Every boot method gets him a white screen. Since he rooted his phone about a week ago, looks like he's going to need a new one.
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try flashing the ROM using Odin from the PC

Might Odin be the same as Samsung Kies in dutch? Or is this an external program?
Assuming it's this program: http://odin-win.sourceforge.net/
Now how does this work? I've been flashing my phone for quite a while now, but I'm not familiar with this program. Can I just download a ROM (stock) from the developers part here?

timmiej93 said:
Might Odin be the same as Samsung Kies in dutch? Or is this an external program?
Assuming it's this program: http://odin-win.sourceforge.net/
Now how does this work? I've been flashing my phone for quite a while now, but I'm not familiar with this program. Can I just download a ROM (stock) from the developers part here?
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its a tool for windows which lets you flash firmwares. You need to connect your phone to your pc is download mode.
Search Google and you will get lots of tutorials explaining the process.
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Okay thanks for all your help guys.
My friend tried everything you people suggested, but nothing worked. He just had an expert look at it and it's just totally bricked. Gotta buy a new one. Thanks for trying anyway!

Sorry for bringing this up again, but I kinda feel sorry when people brick their devices. Yours doesnt have to be a brick. Read this. The instructions are on the first page. There's a link to Odin too. Hope for the best!

Raol Emostar said:
Sorry for bringing this up again, but I kinda feel sorry when people brick their devices. Yours doesnt have to be a brick. Read this. The instructions are on the first page. There's a link to Odin too. Hope for the best!
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Haha don't mind bringing it up . I asked for help, so I should at the very least be gratefull for every try! So first of all, thank you for your suggestion. I'll send this to my friend an have him take a look at it. I'll keep you updated if it works or not.

SGY white screen HELP!
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Haha don't mind bringing it up . I asked for help, so I should at the very least be gratefull for every try! So first of all, thank you for your suggestion. I'll send this to my friend an have him take a look at it. I'll keep you updated if it works or not.
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plss help me my SAMSUNG GALAXY Y GT-s5360 !! only white screen ?? how cant i fix it ?? i go to the recovery mode but WHite screen also ??

Iam faced same problem on my galaxy y
that is hardware problem
you need to change "DISPLAY IC"

[Q] Nokia X Completely Dead ! Help !!!

Well i've been doing a lot of flashing since i bought my nokia x....
I've flashed lewa...Vanilla aosp and cm 10 by dhacker29...
But i was facing the incall mic issue in vanilla aosp....i switched to cm 10....
then i began to face reboot issues.... :/
I Used lewa for the very first time...it is the most stable rom...
Now the silly part...
The superSu couldn't grant permissions....it needed to update binaries and always failed !
My recovery also stopped working (TWRP) And when i pressed the volume up and power button it just gets stuck on nokia logo...
then i used the adb method....same result ! waiting for device and stuck on nokia logo !
MY Laptop prompted to format the disk...which i ACCIDENTALLY did !
Now my phone wont even vibrate after pressing power button,,,
i tried charging it...Removing battery and all....but nothing !
Adb...nokia x flasher does not recognize my phone....
Please Guys i need help regarding this or i won't be getting any phone for 2 years (until i'm in college)
I Believe in XDA And i know u guys can help me!
Thanks in advance !

Anyone? Guys i really need your help...
And one more thing,,,
When i connect my dead nokia x with pc....my pc detects it as Qualcom device :/

Atleast it shows some sort of life !
i think the whole phone is empty bcoz of the formattion....
My PC CAn detect it so something can be done for it,,,

basit21 said:
Atleast it shows some sort of life !
i think the whole phone is empty bcoz of the formattion....
My PC CAn detect it so something can be done for it,,,
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First charge your phone for about an hour.
Refer to my post here. Let's see if I can fix you up.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2757878&page=2

Dom3616 said:
First charge your phone for about an hour.
Refer to my post here. Let's see if I can fix you up.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2757878&page=2
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he already formatted the bootloader, so the only solution is go to Nokia Care

thanks for the help I had successfully rooted my device and it was working fine but I've formatted sys/boot and then my device got bricked. I ve installed quallcom driver but its not detecting fastboot [vol- and without battery]
Please help me out? What should I do now to recover it??

n33l_ray said:
thanks for the help I had successfully rooted my device and it was working fine but I've formatted sys/boot and then my device got bricked. I ve installed quallcom driver but its not detecting fastboot [vol- and without battery]
Please help me out? What should I do now to recover it??
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if you press volume down and power button, "nokia" word still come up?

Noh nothing just a vibration

n33l_ray said:
Noh nothing just a vibration
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same as mine, there is no other method or guide to revive our bricked Nokia X yet except Nokia Service Center.

n33l_ray said:
Noh nothing just a vibration
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I dont think bootloader can be restored using only usb connection.
Probably some other devices are available to service center like JTAG..doplhinclip...which can be used to re-write the boot partition

Lol, Im not alone in this.
Did same thing by accident. googled for how-to restore the phone. But it did not seem possible to be done. So I sent it to Nokia Care.
Those guys at the Nokia office laughed for a long time, when I told them a story " how I got a new shiny green brick ".
Told me the repairs would take 2 weeks and cost arond $30
_________ UPDATE____________
Called to Nokia Care. They fixed the phone by changing the celluar module ( maybe with the whole motherboard ).
That means that bootloader can not be fixed, at least for now.
BE CAREFUL

Well Nokia has just replaced my device with a new one after 3 weeks

I got my device back frm care center..
They replaced the motherboard...as the phone was dead they didn't knew i rooted my phone...n i claimed my warranty
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my Nokia XL
plz i need your help bro. i mistakinly installed "insecure kernel" on my rooted Nokia XL device using NokiaX mgr. sinced then my fone homescreen button not workin and we press power button to wake up. it displays ink whc covers d screen frm seein the menu. how can i remove this insecure kernel so my device can work properly.,

superbod said:
plz i need your help bro. i mistakinly installed "insecure kernel" on my rooted Nokia XL device using NokiaX mgr. sinced then my fone homescreen button not workin and we press power button to wake up. it displays ink whc covers d screen frm seein the menu. how can i remove this insecure kernel so my device can work properly.,
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Just flash back the original kernel...

Help me to fix Bricked Device

Hello
Please some one help me fix HTC wildfire mobile as its not giving me any option

luvlastcall said:
Hello
Please some one help me fix HTC wildfire mobile as its not giving me any option
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Your in the stock recovery pal. Hold down the power and volume keys and you will eventually get some options on the screen. Once they come up use the volume buttons to scroll and power to select. Btw, i suspect you have a htc wildfire S not the htc wildfire. So this would be the wrong forum for you if your phone does not have a trackpad at the bottom of the screen (looks like a circle with a dot in it) then you have the S model.

HTC Wildfire
Thanks for Replying back Its not letting me to run recovery and on the top of it if the phone boots up it take almost 20 minutes to get to the home screen and it hang sup their itself you can't even do anything on it and i am trying to unlock the boot loader to run recovery and install custom rom on it but nothing working out. I do have a trackpad on this mobile and i checked over the internet also and its Model number is A3333. So Please help me what all option that i can use on this mobile right now as i am totally new to Flashing Android Mobiles.
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Your in the stock recovery pal. Hold down the power and volume keys and you will eventually get some options on the screen. Once they come up use the volume buttons to scroll and power to select. Btw, i suspect you have a htc wildfire S not the htc wildfire. So this would be the wrong forum for you if your phone does not have a trackpad at the bottom of the screen (looks like a circle with a dot in it) then you have the S model.
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Thanks for Replying back Its not letting me to run recovery and on the top of it if the phone boots up it take almost 20 minutes to get to the home screen and it hang sup their itself you can't even do anything on it and i am trying to unlock the boot loader to run recovery and install custom rom on it but nothing working out. I do have a trackpad on this mobile and i checked over the internet also and its Model number is A3333. So Please help me what all option that i can use on this mobile right now as i am totally new to Flashing Android Mobiles.
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Okay, pull the battery out. Then put it back in after 5 seconds. Hold down volume down, then power and keep both pressed down until a wite screen with some writing comes up. There it should say hboot, a version number and s-on or s-off. What does yours say?

HTC Widlfire
Well I am sharing the screenshot
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Okay, pull the battery out. Then put it back in after 5 seconds. Hold down volume down, then power and keep both pressed down until a wite screen with some writing comes up. There it should say hboot, a version number and s-on or s-off. What does yours say?
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Well I am sharing the screenshot
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Ah ha! Fantastic whoever else had this phone before you has done most of the hard work and security unlocked the bootloader already. http://dl-1.va.us.xda-developers.c...zip?key=kzoSRLwAaSgJsyXiuKJS4A&ts=1431506306 download this and place it onto your sdcard. Reboot into hboot and your hboot should request you to update the recovery. Select yes with volume up. After this you should reboot back into hboot without the sdcard in. Then select recovery from hboot and boot into it.
Once your in recovery you could either:
1. Wipe the data, cache and dalvik cache and then reboot the phone. This will reset the phone and hopefully fix and voot related issues.
2. Wipe the phone entirely and install a new rom. Cyanogenmod 7 is a good lightweight rom. Please look at the development section for all the roms available.
Just one question though, that screen damage looks like bad. Do you know what happened?

Hello Bro
Link that you have shared is not working so please share some other link and please help me to get the best rom for this mobile and please provide me step to step instruction to do it.

Ok

Already Tried
Well Bro tried that and its now working no option i am getting in recovery and just a phone logo with red mark that what i shared in first screenshot in this thread

luvlastcall said:
Hello Bro
Link that you have shared is not working so please share some other link and please help me to get the best rom for this mobile and please provide me step to step instruction to do it.
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http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?398dklf1uzss5f6 Updated link.
As I have said I recommend Cyanogenmod 7. Read the thread here Its a custom version but its more recent.
Now your screen, I suspect that those marks are from heat damage. Most likely from whoever else had the phone overclocking it. This could be a telltale sign of hardware damage through excessive use and it may never boot properly. I thought I should mention that.

Well i thats case would like to ask one more thing we will be able to fix it or not or its not worth it.

luvlastcall said:
Well If that's case would like to ask one more thing we will be able to fix it or not or its not worth it.
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Depends, this phone is an old model as far as mobile phones are concerned. the cost of a motherboard and new lcd + digitizer could be the same cost as the phone in a used condition.
I work it out as £23.13 as the cheapest you could get the parts but then you would need to do a full tear down of the device in order to replace most of it. I mean basically your only keeping the frame, trackball, camera and some rubber bits.
Cheapest I can find to buy it in the uk is £25 ( with you needing to sim unlock it).
But I would add that you might as well try get cm7 on the device. The only thing it will cost you is time and you never know, the phone might be usable with CM7 on it. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

OK bro let me first give a try with the cm7 rom and see if its work and hoping for the best

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OK bro let me first give a try with the cm7 rom and see if its work and hoping for the best
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Good luck pal, keep me posted

Sure Bro and thanks a lot

Well Not sure what happened to screen as my brother was using and i tired to run the recovery and not able to go further only getting this screen while wiping all the data through recovery/Users/Hacker/Downloads/IMG_0170.JPG

Well Not sure what happened to screen as my brother was using and i tired to run the recovery and not able to go further only getting this screen while wiping all the data through recovery and stuck on this screen now

luvlastcall said:
Well Not sure what happened to screen as my brother was using and i tired to run the recovery and not able to go further only getting this screen while wiping all the data through recovery and stuck on this screen now
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Sorry, i forgot to mention, the controls for the recovery are different from hboot. Push trackball to select items, power is now the back button.

let me give a try and see if its work i installed the rom from Sd card ad restarted the mobile and hoping this will work now

I tried to install stock rom that i have downloaded from HTC Website and that is not getting installed lets hope CM7 will work i can see the ultrabeam revolutionary Logo on the screen right now its still thinking up