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Tablet and evo? Worth it?

I'm thinking about getting a honeycomb tablet, since I'm always using my phone around the house, I feel like id get alot of use outta it. But are they that much better than the evo, is it worth it to have both?
Just a note, I'm soon going to be overseas with only wifi for a year. I'm debating Between tablet or a tv since I don't wanna take the 55" led. Mainly for PS3.
Any thoughts.
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I have multiples: Sprint Hero, Sprint EVO 4G, Acer Iconia A500, Viewsonic gTablet
The Acer is the only one that has Honeycomb (right now it is running 3.1...I was trying to get 3.2 to run, but I'm having troubles with Netflix on that version). It has troubles at times with touch (sometimes I can get it to run really fast, other times I have lag). Other than that, it's a good tablet and I use it for quite a number of things (more recently, Netflix). Honeycomb, however, doesn't have nearly the apps available as Gingerbread does (not sure why...I haven't had issues with the apps I put on it). Also, careful with this one as I already cracked one by pushing on it too hard. Battery life is pretty good on it.
The Viewsonic is running CyanogenMod 7.0.3 (Gingerbread). It works really well, too. Unfortunately, it doesn't have built-in GPS, so I have to use an external GPS for it. So, I do have problems with programs that need a GPS, if I forget to turn on the external one. It's heavier than the Acer, but it feels sturdier. Battery life is good (not as good as the Acer). I use that when I need two tablets (there are times for that...just not often).
If you can afford one, go ahead and get one. I would definitely root it and put a custom rom. You'll find XDA developers are quite a bit faster in getting the latest updates than the manufacturer.
ldc2335 said:
I'm thinking about getting a honeycomb tablet, since I'm always using my phone around the house, I feel like id get alot of use outta it. But are they that much better than the evo, is it worth it to have both?
Just a note, I'm soon going to be overseas with only wifi for a year. I'm debating Between tablet or a tv since I don't wanna take the 55" led. Mainly for PS3.
Any thoughts.
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This is out of character for me and I really hate apple to hell. lol. but go get an IPad, it's actually developed lol. and better quality than the androids. I REALLLLLY HATE apple. I wish apples would all die and never exist. But oh well. lol.

I also have the Viewsonic gTablet, running GtabComb 3.2. If you tether it to your phone's wifi, it can do everything an iPad can do apart from GPS and photos/video recording... but if you've got your phone, you can make up the difference. Plus, it has expandable memory and a USB port.

In going for the thrive or transformer
Both come with 3.1
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runcool said:
This is out of character for me and I really hate apple to hell. lol. but go get an IPad, it's actually developed lol. and better quality than the androids. I REALLLLLY HATE apple. I wish apples would all die and never exist. But oh well. lol.
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I avoided apple for a long time also. I have an evo, archos70 (love it), couple beater android tablets that will end up in the walls of my house for A/V and lighting control when I get it all how I want, and now an ipad. App wise, android is a huge loser here. Once jailbroken, the ipad is pretty nice for customization. It also kills all my other tablets except the archos for battery. It beats the archos even with a bigger screen, but not by a ton.
Long story short, yes. You are used to using your phone for access, a tablett is just that much better. Any good tablet.

the reason why the IPad is better than just about all the android tabs out is because a tablet is more like a computer. That is what apple does , they do computers. so of course they would have the know how to make a amazing tablet. Android is still a phone OS. even Honeycomb is still heavily based on a phones hardware. Don't get me wrong i wouldn't buy an Apple if my life was on the line, but they do make a good tablet. I personally have a Archos 70 IT and love it. No it doesn't have a tegra chip or GPS but it does just fine for everyday use. and if you want GPS buy a key chain Bluetooth GPS receiver. they are pretty cheep and most are extremely accurate. and if you are going to be taking it with you places it is way more portable than more of the larger tablets. Or you could wait a few months for the Gen 9 to be released with, i believe but am not for sure, has the tegra chip and GPS and a few more upgrades.
But all this is just my opinion.

Thanks guys, I will not own an ipad. I agree they are nice. But that doesn't change my mind. I just went and tried a Xoom. It was nice though I'm leaning toward the thrive because of the removable battery and full usb jack.
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Ok, now im down to transformer or thrive. I hate decisions. Any input.
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Well the tf is less expensive, but to get full use out of the ports you need to buy the dock. I am currently in a pickle deciding on the iconia or the tf. I have a coupon for 100 off at staples if you want. You can actually find it in the iconia or tf forums. I have a thread started in general getting comparisons of both.
Hope I helped.
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Not an acer fan. Really it is only the appearance of the the thrive keeping me away. It def has the most features, minus the non ips screen and the huge charger. However all the ports and removable battery are nice. How can you hard reset the others if they freeze up etc if you can't pull the battery.?
I played with them all today briefly and thought the tf felt very sturdy and had a great screen so I'm torn.
Style or function?
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First, yes, I do think that there's a place in my life for a tablet, a smartphone, and a laptop. At first I didn't think a tablet fit in, but I'm coming around. Still, nobody's quite gotten it 100% right yet.
Lack of USB in the tablet itself is a big turnoff for me on the Transformer. If it had that, I think I'd be sold on it. It's not quite as light or thin as the Galaxy or the iPad 2 (which I'm looking at for comparison, but don't plan to buy), but it's close enough. It feels great in the hand too. I'm not opposed to buying the keyboard, but I don't like that there's no USB support without it.
The Toshiba is noticeably bigger and heavier, but the full size SD and full size USB are both strong draws. I do not like the feel of it though. The rubber back just made it feel clunky to me -- not just heavy, but clunky. I do realize that getting the full size ports has to come with some tradeoffs.
Acer is tempting, but I've never considered them a quality brand. I dunno. Design's OK...not bad, not great. The USB port is keeping me from eliminating it.
The Samsung would be a very strong contender if it had even a microSD card for expansion. USB support via an adapter isn't as nice as having it built in, but it's acceptable. I might be able to live without microSD given that it does have USB storage support, but it's less than ideal. The design is great, particularly the metallic slate version -- I know it's not really metal, but the texture feels nice.
The Xoom's not bad, but it's a bit heavy and thick. Not as bad as the Toshiba though.
Lenovo's got a pair coming, and the version in the Thinkpad line appears to have full size USB and SD. I'll be interested to see how that one turns out. And HTC's got to have something coming soon in the 10.1" Honeycomb size eventually.

Transformer on the way. Let the rooting begin.
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pros and cons of nexus 7 2013?

everything is great on this new nexus 7.
but what are the cons?

How about some nice light bleeds in corners, or some dust under screen?
Oh wait, you haven't got them, right?
Here comes an update that kills your touch, hahahaaahahahaaa (said Google in Voldemort's most petrifying voice)
What the #$%@@? your touch is still intact...? well I've got an update that will kill your wifi. How about that huh....?

Doesn't have micro SD slot.
Doesn't have a snapdragon 800.
Doesn't have 4GB of ram.
Doesn't have a 4K screen.
Doesn't come with a chicken... Every top stuff comes with plus a chicken.

Pros:
BEAUTIFUL screen. It is gorgeous and very bright. You can't really say that about many tablets. It almost reaches to the level of my old Transformer Prime at 600 nits (it's about 583 nits at brightest)
Fast. This quad core S600-esque processor is so much faster than anything I've had for mobile. It's one of the reasons I upgraded
Cheap. It's $230 or $270. I got the $270 32GB which is roomy enough for my needs.
Long battery. I haven't had it for long, but I can already tell it is going to last almost as long as my TFP.
Small and can be held in a single hand.
REALLY good wifi reception.
GPS that works very well even inside
It's stock Google and will be updated as soon as KitKat or future Android upgrades come out. Plan for 2+ years of upgrades and support.
Loud stereo speakers
Support for practically any 3G/LTE data connection you'd like in the US.
Unlocked bootloader. You can modify anything inside this tablet.
Grippy matte-plastic back.
Sexy look, IMO
Thin and light.
Bluetooth Smart and 4.0 support. This will increase in popularity with wearable Bluetooth devices.
Cons:
Small screen. I think I would be happier with an 8" screen, but it's something I can live with.
No microSD slot. This is something that I can live with, and if you want, you can get a microUSB to microSD adapter.
Non-removable battery. You won't worry about this unless you are truly a road warrior. It should last you till you want to upgrade or longer.
No micro HDMI port. This, again, can be something I live with. You can use MHL I believe if you need it.
No TouchWiz or other OEM skins. Nothing I lose sleep over, just something for those who find the skinned editions of Android better than regular stock.
No camera flash. Doesn't bother me, I don't plan on taking pictures much with this tablet.
A few launch issues, maybe. It seems to be not too big (there are many users who probably don't have problems than the people who complain about it here) and is being resolved fairly quickly.
No vibrator. My hands miss the vibrations of my TFP, but it's ok.
No longer has a secure element with NFC. This means no more Google Wallet or other NFC-banking apps. You can still beam contacts and such. Not a big deal.
No 802.11ac wifi support. This isn't a big thing yet and is still just starting to get into mainstream routers. With the life time of your tablet, you probably won't see many AC routers until 2 years from now, and you probably won't be missing much. People still use .11g standards to this day.
The speakers apparently emit a hiss at low volume due to some digital volume reduction instead of using an actual amplifier.

swisstourist said:
everything is great on this new nexus 7.
but what are the cons?
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Drop tests show no survivals. Get a case or else, which might increase weight and size.
There is only T-Mobile offering Lte in USA. Verizon clueless on imei. Checking at&t Lte again tomorrow, but no tethering regardless.

Cons. Random reboots
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usb otg support with stock rom?

With NMI, yes.
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Cons. Random reboots
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https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/nexus/mG4JXaT-SHs[751-775-false]
And in some cases, even a custom ROM just holds the issue at bay for a while...

For me two things are the keyfeatures:
Price + size. I had an iPad, big tablets are not what I wanted.

owerner said:
For me two things are the keyfeatures:
Price + size. I had an iPad, big tablets are not what I wanted.
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you could get the ipad mini...

swisstourist said:
you could get the ipad mini...
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yea... *price*

I don't think there are any real cons to this tablet. Just personal preferences. Even the speaker hiss isn't noticeable unless you have ear pressed against the speaker. Overall its a very solid tablet.
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swisstourist said:
you could get the ipad mini...
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And use their locked down OS?!?!?!
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I've had no problems such as the aforementioned dust or light bleeds. Rooted out of the box, put carbon on it, never had a random reboot either.

The only con so far is that I can't use my 8-bitty Bluetooth gamepad. The new Bluetooth stack doesn't support it.
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swisstourist said:
everything is great on this new nexus 7.
but what are the cons?
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Here are some cons I am experiencing:
1.) BT unusable while connected to a 2.4 GHz WiFi:
http://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/nexus/ORce7P9V4qU
I'll sell mine if they can't fix it.
2.) Ugly downscaling from 1920x1200 to 1728x1080 if using slimport/HDMI:
http://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/mobile/cgKZEwu4CZg
"Workaround": Resolution Changer (root access req.!) from play store
3) Bad multi-touch behavior:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2381123
Apart from the display resolution (that's what I've bought it for) and the CPU/GPU performance (I don't care - I'm not a gamer), my old Galaxy Tab 7.7 is much better.
regards
TrashX

Actually if your lucky like me I dropped mine today actually the screen kinda popped loose a little it cut off my heart stopped lol (literally) but I snapped the screen in turned right on I almost cried lol only thing it did was deleted some apps I had weird but no issues now and still looks new
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[Q] How would you improve the HTC One?

This is honestly the first phone I've ever had that I felt was essentially perfect for me. While the camera could be a bit better, I frankly can't find fault with anything else. It's smooth as silk, the battery is as good as can be expected of a phone of this size and depth, and the screen is flawless. The build quality is superb.
While I really sweated losing unlimited upon upgrading from this phone, I can honestly say that I will be able to use this for 3+ years. Unlocked, I feel like I have a Nexus phone with Apple level build quality. Best of both worlds.
Thoughts? Am I alone in thinking this?

I guess I will say what everyone will say sd card slot.
I would like to see like apple has it. Being able to play all audio through usb. That's the only thing I miss from my iPod touch.
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Only thing I wish it had is an external SDCard. If it had that it would be PERFECT in my opinion.

Laser turrets
But seriously, the phone does what I need it to do and fast. An external SD card would be nice but I don't really miss having one. I hardly keep anything on the phone anymore, everything is in the cloud.
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I go through a lot of phones. Since the original Motorola Droid came out a few years ago it has been 13 different phones (all different styles). Actually if you go back to my Blackberry days it is quite a bit more. This is by far my favorite phone. When I shipped it off to get s-off I used an Galaxy S4 and hated it. Funny cause I had the S3 and Note 2 before and was ok with them. Guess I am just spoiled by this one...
If I had to choose anything it would probably be sd card slot and maybe just a bump in image size from the camera. I am not complaining about the picture quality at all and do not want some 16MP + image...just a tad more.

Power button on side like htc one maxx

The only thing I really wish it had were the headphone jack on the bottom.
It never was an issue until I went from the iPhone 4S to the iPhone 5, which Apple moved the headphone jack to the bottom on the 5.
Now I wish every phone had the headphone jack on the bottom. I find it to be a much better location.
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power button relocation, extSD slot, larger battery, make the HTC area an actual button

Move USB jack to the side.
Briing back\ the FM radio app/

Standard 3 hardware keys (or better yet, hardware keys and extend the screen down), volume buttons on other side, power button on the side, and external sd card. Other than that, I don't care. Even then, the sd card is the only one I legitimately have a hard time with, and that's still not enough to turn me away from this beauty.
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ddurandSGS3 said:
power button relocation, extSD slot, larger battery, make the HTC area an actual button
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Actually, it is an actual button.
http://www.droid-life.com/2013/04/23/new-htc-one-kernel-maps-htc-logo-to-be-sleep-or-menu-button/
Note to devs out there, being able to map this thing to a custom app would be godly.

scarshapedstar said:
Actually, it is an actual button.
http://www.droid-life.com/2013/04/23/new-htc-one-kernel-maps-htc-logo-to-be-sleep-or-menu-button/
Note to devs out there, being able to map this thing to a custom app would be godly.
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You could probably map it to anywhere you wanted. However, it requires a custom kernel to which we do not have source. Also its not an actual button, but rather where the digitizer of the screen comes down too far and is accessible from the top of the logo (almost on the screen, often accidentally interacting with the screen instead of assigned action).
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Less bezel would have been nice...

Less bezel and more screen with the traditional 3 on screen buttons. A camera better than what's on the iPhone 5s. Larger battery. Micro sd slot but keep unibody design.
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Well, as much as I like the phone there's a few things I'd change about it.
First things first, I'd want to have a RED one on verizon... The unibody is nice, but not being able to simply swap the plastics, like is doable on many samsungs, is a bit saddening for me. I did get a blue one, but the red one is drop dead secksay.
Removable battery... While the battery is great, most people haven't ever put the stress to the batteries like I have. I had an HTC HD7s where the stock battery was dead in less than a year from the many charge cycles I went through. It was to the point where an hour of standby would kill it. I'm hoping this battery doesn't kick it that quick, but I'm sure it will eventually and is the reason I pay for the insurance.
3.5mm on the bottom would be very nice. Makes listening to audio while using the phone in portrait mode much easier without fighting the cord.
Last but not least, a method to tear it down. I have taken every phone I've owned apart for cleanings once a month. My OCD is absolutely raging right now as I should have cleaned this thing inside and out a week ago.
But the other changes I'd like have been stated... SD slot, software buttons with a bigger screen, etc...
All around though, it's the best "stock" phone I've had. Every phone has it's issues to each person. This one just has less of a list for me. Just irritates me that I can't clean it inside... bleh

steddora said:
Well, as much as I like the phone there's a few things I'd change about it.
First things first, I'd want to have a RED one on verizon... The unibody is nice, but not being able to simply swap the plastics, like is doable on many samsungs, is a bit saddening for me. I did get a blue one, but the red one is drop dead secksay.
Removable battery... While the battery is great, most people haven't ever put the stress to the batteries like I have. I had an HTC HD7s where the stock battery was dead in less than a year from the many charge cycles I went through. It was to the point where an hour of standby would kill it. I'm hoping this battery doesn't kick it that quick, but I'm sure it will eventually and is the reason I pay for the insurance.
3.5mm on the bottom would be very nice. Makes listening to audio while using the phone in portrait mode much easier without fighting the cord.
Last but not least, a method to tear it down. I have taken every phone I've owned apart for cleanings once a month. My OCD is absolutely raging right now as I should have cleaned this thing inside and out a week ago.
But the other changes I'd like have been stated... SD slot, software buttons with a bigger screen, etc...
All around though, it's the best "stock" phone I've had. Every phone has it's issues to each person. This one just has less of a list for me. Just irritates me that I can't clean it inside... bleh
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There must be some way to tear it down, right? What happens when you need the battery replaced? There has to be a way to get into the phone...
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mlin said:
There must be some way to tear it down, right? What happens when you need the battery replaced? There has to be a way to get into the phone...
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It's a unibody construction. There's really no way to get into it. If you need a new battery they will most likely just give you a new phone like Apple does.
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croppz said:
It's a unibody construction. There's really no way to get into it. If you need a new battery they will most likely just give you a new phone like Apple does.
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I'm not sure that Apple hands out new phones instead of replacing batteries, the iPhone is not too difficult to get into, I've taken apart several.
I found this teardown of the HTC One: http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/HTC+One+Teardown/13494/

croppz said:
It's a unibody construction. There's really no way to get into it. If you need a new battery they will most likely just give you a new phone like Apple does.
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Hmmm then how do they check the water damage stickers inside for a warranty return? I know they do...
I guess they could intentionally smash it, but not sure that would be their best approach

They have a tool. It's not available to the public though.
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My observations after a week with the N3...

I have been in the market for a new phone for a bit and paying hundreds of dollars for a phone is not my idea of a good time. Long story short, I got tired like many before me of waiting for the Nexus 5 to drop so I picked up the Note 3 @ TMO. Needless to say, I'm really lovin this device...
Now for the twist. I also ordered a Nexus 5 which is due here on the 5th. With the difference in cost, I'm really on the fence. I have put the N3 through its paces and I noticed a few things that perhaps justify the additional $300 for the N3.
Pluses:
User experience: The size and quality of the display is the main reason for this (that and the fact that the phone is NOT huge at all) Playing games, messaging and entertainment is all enjoyable for a change. Oh, and now remote desktop is finally usable without all the resizing and scrolling.
Battery: Nuff said.
Camera: I shoot with a DSLR usually so this doesn't matter as much to me. Turn off the auto mode and tune it a little like normal and it captures great pics. Also, I have found that the no dedicated camera button complaint doesn't hold water as you can map the shutter to the volume key. Voila, dedicated camera button.
Memory: 3GB is a lot... especially if I ball park the figures and think 1GB system, 2 GB user. And with mem management improvement getting even better with 4.4 on the horizon, it all upside here. The amount of concurrently running apps with little to no stutter on switching is ridiculous.
USB 3.0: Faster Charging and data transfer is such a plus... now I don't have to take the SD card out to get decent transfer speeds.
Main complaint...
GPS: Maybe its a software issue, but it takes forever for this thing to get a lock. And when it does, it seems to give me a "general" location until it has a minute to warm up and then it gets serious. And keeping a lock for consistent tracking seems intermittent as well. This is huge for me because I use GPS all the time (yelp,checking traffic, Golf Logix, hiking GPS, etc.) and it sometimes makes using location relevant apps a chore, especially because I know it's not a slow data connection.
Now, its true that the Nexus 5 will give me most of this, but the major drawback is the battery. (no duh) So is the rest of what I do get with the Note 3 worth the extra $300, especially when that $300 can go towards getting me the next hot sh*t ? I'm not sure... the GPS thing is super annoying. I'm hoping a software fix comes for this eventually.
I plan to use the Nexus for a few days to get some time in on it, but I think I may suck up the GPS issue for more mature hardware.

No GPS problems here. Occasionally some hiccups navigating but no problems really. The nexus 5 hardware is basically the same. But that micro SD slot puts it over the top for me.
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How can you not mention the WiFi Issues.. That for me is the only Major con right now.. I really hope t-mobile fixes the radio issues.. Wifi, Gps, and Lte.

no gps problem, not even me.

no GPS or wifi issues here

i've got the intermittent gps issue, but no wifi problems.

No gps or wifi issues here
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Just switched and got mine last night, so I haven't tested GPS yet. But after having a Note 2 for awhile, I don't want to go to a smaller phone like the Nexus 5. And I'm used to having great battery life, something the Nexus 5 doesn't have.

coolchris909 said:
Now for the twist. I also ordered a Nexus 5 which is due here on the 5th. With the difference in cost, I'm really on the fence. I have put the N3 through its paces and I noticed a few things that perhaps justify the additional $300 for the N3.
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Same boat here. Have really come to enjoy the N3. I love the size and feel of the back. It's a joy to use. No GPS issues for me. With the Nexus 5 I'm losing SD Card and Touchwiz and Spen. And I can't yet determine what I'm gaining except maybe a little more pocketability. It'll be interesting to compare them, but I think I already decided to send the Nexus 5 back. Not sure I want to waste too much time setting it all up. One thing that would be a plus is a little more siri like voice behavior, that would be cool, but I've come to really like touchwiz, soooo...
Be interested to hear your thoughts when you get yours as well.

The only wife issues I have had is that it's range is maybe a little shorter (within a few feet)... but nothing major. As for general reception, I am coming from Sprint, so almost anything is better.
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No gps or wife issues here either.
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Dido, gps and my wife is ok, WiFi is good too.

No GPS LTE or ' WiFe' issues here either
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coolchris909 said:
The only wife issues I have had is that it's range is maybe a little shorter (within a few feet)... but nothing major.
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If she really loves you then size shouldn't matter.
I don't have wifi issue either but it does tell me my wifi is unreliable but I'm still connected and able to surf. GPS seems about the same as my s4 which isnt super quick but not too slow.

In the same situation too. Have a Note 3 in hand and Nexus 5 in the mail. The GN3 has the best screen on a phone bar none and the battery life is phenomenal even with TW bloat bogging it down.
My main reservation is living with the paltry 32GB in the N5. It's enough for a bit of music and not much else. And the batt life is a liability. I really hope the screen's at least 90% as good as my S4, if not then it's going on ebay.
OTOH this sh*tty TouchWiz is driving me nuts, if CM doesn't make an appearance soon then somebody's gonna get rickrolled.

The N5 is putting up a hell of a fight in hand... All of a sudden I get the feeling a middle weight could win a majority decision over a heavy weight.
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The N5 is putting up a hell of a fight in hand... All of a sudden I get the feeling a middle weight could win a majority decision over a heavy weight.
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After 1/2 day with the N5, it's going back. N3 for me. It's a beautiful device and the screen is sharp as hell. But the lack of physical buttons means they have to use screen space on the bottom for the nav buttons and then part of the screen on top for the 3 dots for the apps settings menu. So you have a big chunk of screen space gone. It's a 5" screen but feels like a 4" screen because of the layout. In the email app it seems like the body doesn't start until 1/2 way down the screen due to the header information. Kinda looks like a mess compared to the N3.
Google voice commands are pretty slick on it. "Navigate Home" finally works, instead of trying to route me to Home Depot like my N3 does
At the end of the day the usable screen space is just too small and now I'm spoiled, combine that with the Micro SD slot and great battery life and I think the Note 3 is a winner.

Have Note 3, love it, no complaints. I'm probably going to get the N5 in a few months after the hype dies down and I have more cash to spend. I've had every Nexus phone and they're fun to play around with. I'll still be keeping my Note as my daily driver, the N5 will be just for fun.

I also have some Gps problems. It's slow to connect and it looses signal if there is a single cloud in the sky.. Seems like software problem. This is much worse than my note 2 or GS3.
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96GB of storage is no comparison. Not to mention the battery is removable.
Speakerphone is loud and clear and I have no complaint.

Am I missing something?

So I chose the pixel xl as my Note 7 replacement and although it's not a bad phone, honestly it's not nearly as good as the s7 edge or even the note 5 ( I haven't owned only Samsung phones those are just my last two).
I thought Google assistant (the main reason I chose this phone) was supposed to be a big deal but is there really any major difference than using "OK Google" on any other android phone? Also, no wireless charging or microsd slot? Seriously, what makes this phone worth the sticker price?
I know this sounds like just a rant but after reading all of the positive reviews about this phone, I feel really let down after actually using it and I honestly feel like I'm missing something major here. Anyone else?

JarkMackson said:
So I chose the pixel xl as my Note 7 replacement and although it's not a bad phone, honestly it's not nearly as good as the s7 edge or even the note 5 ( I haven't owned only Samsung phones those are just my last two).
I thought Google assistant (the main reason I chose this phone) was supposed to be a big deal but is there really any major difference than using "OK Google" on any other android phone? Also, no wireless charging or microsd slot? Seriously, what makes this phone worth the sticker price?
I know this sounds like just a rant but after reading all of the positive reviews about this phone, I feel really let down after actually using it and I honestly feel like I'm missing something major here. Anyone else?
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I think your perspective is right on. If your coming from a 3 year old phone, this phone is mind blowing. If your coming from a premium Samsung or iPhone, its meh at best. I upgrade every year and to me its just a small iteration. My Nexus 6 is still my favorite phone. The Pixel is a $500 phone.

My thoughts exactly. No micro SD slot (just to get user to store everything on googles cloud) no wireless chrging(though I give them credit for the 15 minute plug in giving 7 hours of use. The phone is efficient. I've gotten almost 5 hours of screen time with heavy use. The call quality seems to be better than Samsung. HD calls on verizon sound really good on my end and others have stated this is the clearest I've sounded to them in a while(maybe the design using glass at the top of the back for better antenna reception really does matter). I like googles launcher. But this phone starves for faetures like "Hidden folder" on the note 7, good lock thru galaxy apps, notification light blinks so slow i can unlock the phone before the light flashes. No always on screen. From the front the phone feels like i'm holding a galaxy S4. The chin is huge for no reason. 5.5 in screen is no longer "XL". Should make a 6 inch screen for the XL. CAmera is great. No numbered notifications(a little number in a bubble showing how many new texts or calls) no batter percentage option. Finger print sensor on the back is easier to use and it's fast. I guess all the fuss is about google assistant. To me it's not qite a flagship but lets remember. Google(like all other phone companies) need to you to give this 1 up when the next one drops. So guarantee the next one has wireless charging and or a SD slot. Just my opinion.

Golf c said:
I think your perspective is right on. If your coming from a 3 year old phone, this phone is mind blowing. If your coming from a premium Samsung or iPhone, its meh at best. I upgrade every year and to me its just a small iteration. My Nexus 6 is still my favorite phone. The Pixel is a $500 phone.
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Thank you! I really don't think it's a bad phone but the price and the hype is just crazy! It seriously feels cheap to me. I know it's all metal but because of the different textures on the back it feels like plastic unless it's cold. It's not even water resistant and the top and bottom bezels are way too big to look like a phone that costs this much.
If Samsung or apple came out with this phone they'd be in serious trouble but Google does it and it's some kind of revolution? The assistant isn't going to be even close to useful until it's available in the Play store for everyone. It's just missing so much that phones released 6 months ago costing $100-$200 less already have.
I was really excited for this phone after the note 7 thing and I'm just really disappointed. I'm keeping my note 7, fire hazard or not.

Google's phones will never, ever, ever include an SD card slot, ever again. This will always be a choice you have to make with Google, because they religiously believe in the cloud. I just tell people to get a Moto if they want a Nexus-like with SD card support. However, the unlimited photos and videos at full quality for free offered with the Pixel is amazing.
As for wireless charging, now that I have quick chargers everywhere I stopped using wireless charging with my Nexus 6 months ago. It's just sooooo sssllllooowwwwww. And the Pixel charges quite quickly, even on non-QC chargers. For instance, it seems to be sinking quite a bit of current from my powered hub, which just supplies 5V but can source about 3A per port. It can basically max out any charger that's not that stupid OnePlus proprietary one. Not a big deal.
I even like the bezels, because they give you a place to put your hands when holding it in landscape.
I find the suggestion that they should have released another 6" behemoth interesting, because I remember when the N6 was launched there was a lot of grousing that there were no small flagships left. The common refrain was 2 models, one 5.5" and one 5". As someone who loved the Nexus 6 in basically every respect, it's just a tiny bit too big. I am a 6' tall person with normal hands for that height, and I can't reach nearly the whole screen with one hand. It's not a one handed device, at all. The Pixel, on the other hand, seems to be a perfect size, in addition to being better in every respect compared to the at-the-time brilliant Nexus 6.
Also, you can totally get battery percentage with System UI Tuner. Just hold down the settings icon in the notification shade.

well, if you like the look and style of an IPhone, the Pixel XL is a good choice for you; yeah, no stereo speakers is a drag, but I like the Assistant, and it is the fastest phone I have ever used.
the hype is excessive, but thats what we get with everything now a days..

dtreth said:
Google's phones will never, ever, ever include an SD card slot, ever again. This will always be a choice you have to make with Google, because they religiously believe in the cloud. I just tell people to get a Moto if they want a Nexus-like with SD card support. However, the unlimited photos and videos at full quality for free offered with the Pixel is amazing.
As for wireless charging, now that I have quick chargers everywhere I stopped using wireless charging with my Nexus 6 months ago. It's just sooooo sssllllooowwwwww. And the Pixel charges quite quickly, even on non-QC chargers. For instance, it seems to be sinking quite a bit of current from my powered hub, which just supplies 5V but can source about 3A per port. It can basically max out any charger that's not that stupid OnePlus proprietary one. Not a big deal.
I even like the bezels, because they give you a place to put your hands when holding it in landscape.
I find the suggestion that they should have released another 6" behemoth interesting, because I remember when the N6 was launched there was a lot of grousing that there were no small flagships left. The common refrain was 2 models, one 5.5" and one 5". As someone who loved the Nexus 6 in basically every respect, it's just a tiny bit too big. I am a 6' tall person with normal hands for that height, and I can't reach nearly the whole screen with one hand. It's not a one handed device, at all. The Pixel, on the other hand, seems to be a perfect size, in addition to being better in every respect compared to the at-the-time brilliant Nexus 6.
Also, you can totally get battery percentage with System UI Tuner. Just hold down the settings icon in the notification shade.
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I've held down settings in the notification shade but nothing happens. I'm trying to get battery percentage but it does nothing.
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wase4711 said:
well, if you like the look and style of an IPhone, the Pixel XL is a good choice for you; yeah, no stereo speakers is a drag, but I like the Assistant, and it is the fastest phone I have ever used.
the hype is excessive, but thats what we get with everything now a days..
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Do you mind if I ask what you like so much about assistant? I really feel like I'm missing something but I can't find anything that makes it better than Google now.

eighty1 said:
I've held down settings in the notification shade but nothing happens. I'm trying to get battery percentage but it does nothing.
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Does your settings gear now have a dim wrench next to it? If so open settings and scroll down to the bottom. You should see "System UI Tuner". Or, you know, you can google it yourself since I gave you all of the relevant information.

dtreth said:
Google's phones will never, ever, ever include an SD card slot, ever again. This will always be a choice you have to make with Google, because they religiously believe in the cloud. I just tell people to get a Moto if they want a Nexus-like with SD card support. However, the unlimited photos and videos at full quality for free offered with the Pixel is amazing.
As for wireless charging, now that I have quick chargers everywhere I stopped using wireless charging with my Nexus 6 months ago. It's just sooooo sssllllooowwwwww. And the Pixel charges quite quickly, even on non-QC chargers. For instance, it seems to be sinking quite a bit of current from my powered hub, which just supplies 5V but can source about 3A per port. It can basically max out any charger that's not that stupid OnePlus proprietary one. Not a big deal.
I even like the bezels, because they give you a place to put your hands when holding it in landscape.
I find the suggestion that they should have released another 6" behemoth interesting, because I remember when the N6 was launched there was a lot of grousing that there were no small flagships left. The common refrain was 2 models, one 5.5" and one 5". As someone who loved the Nexus 6 in basically every respect, it's just a tiny bit too big. I am a 6' tall person with normal hands for that height, and I can't reach nearly the whole screen with one hand. It's not a one handed device, at all. The Pixel, on the other hand, seems to be a perfect size, in addition to being better in every respect compared to the at-the-time brilliant Nexus 6.
Also, you can totally get battery percentage with System UI Tuner. Just hold down the settings icon in the notification shade.
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Now see here. This is a perfect example. It's all a matter of taste and perspective. The previous google phone users seem to love the Pixel/XL . I come from a long line of Sammy Note phones. Honestly I thought the Note edge was a great phone but with a case on it ..it was a bit to wide for me. actually to me the S6 edge plus was the perfect phone size wise and aesthetically. the 5.7 inch screen and the glass back were perfect. I also have the moto Z force just for the mods. When I think about it, with no bezels and a shortened chin the 5.7 inch screen of the S6 edge+ was basically perfect for me. As far as "wireless" charging I did have to have "fast wireless charging". It's not as fast as a cord with rapid charge but sometimes you just want to sit the phone down and get a quick boost. Not that I'm back to plugging in I do miss fast wireless. Again the assistant is cool, the camera is really decent. anyway.. to each his own. On edit.. thanks for the SUI heads up.. I like it. However,, that mini number in the battery is virtually unreadable.

JarkMackson said:
Thank you! I really don't think it's a bad phone but the price and the hype is just crazy! It seriously feels cheap to me. I know it's all metal but because of the different textures on the back it feels like plastic unless it's cold. It's not even water resistant and the top and bottom bezels are way too big to look like a phone that costs this much.
If Samsung or apple came out with this phone they'd be in serious trouble but Google does it and it's some kind of revolution? The assistant isn't going to be even close to useful until it's available in the Play store for everyone. It's just missing so much that phones released 6 months ago costing $100-$200 less already have.
I was really excited for this phone after the note 7 thing and I'm just really disappointed. I'm keeping my note 7, fire hazard or not.
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The one thing I noticed straigh away was the crazy fast response everything on the pixel has compared to the note 7, there would be so many times that the Note 7 would visibly stutter even just a second here and there. Things like opening up and typing on the keybaord instantly would create this minute lag in the interface. I am very picky when it comes to that so I noticed straight away the Pixel is just fast, it doesn't stutter or lag like the note 7 did. Also small things like the speaker is FAR better than the Note 7, it's louder and fully than the 6p even. I hate edge screens too, I couldn't stand the note 7 in that regard, felt uncomfortable to hold compared to the pixel. I'm just so happy that I got a phone that just works ALL THE TIME. That's why I paid the extra $100 over the note 7 for the pixel. And I'm also betting on Google assistant (AI) becoming FAR more integrated and more powerful. All other phones will be missing out I think. Hardware can only go so far, software on the other hand....

Man who needs an SD card now?? I can finally video tape everything in 4k and not worry about memory or ever loosing the footage because it'll always be on the cloud! I legit video tape everything I can now!
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OnlinePredator said:
The one thing I noticed straigh away was the crazy fast response everything on the pixel has compared to the note 7, there would be so many times that the Note 7 would visibly stutter even just a second here and there. Things like opening up and typing on the keybaord instantly would create this minute lag in the interface. I am very picky when it comes to that so I noticed straight away the Pixel is just fast, it doesn't stutter or lag like the note 7 did. Also small things like the speaker is FAR better than the Note 7, it's louder and fully than the 6p even. I hate edge screens too, I couldn't stand the note 7 in that regard, felt uncomfortable to hold compared to the pixel. I'm just so happy that I got a phone that just works ALL THE TIME. That's why I paid the extra $100 over the note 7 for the pixel. And I'm also betting on Google assistant (AI) becoming FAR more integrated and more powerful. All other phones will be missing out I think. Hardware can only go so far, software on the other hand....
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I agree on the speed, the note did stutter on me from time to time any this phone doesn't at all really (although I have had a few force closes, possibly the apps fault). The assistant has promise but let's be honest, it's no better than Google now at the moment and by the time it is better, it'll be available on every android phone.
The phone itself to me is just last year's Cadillac with this year's Mercedes price tag.

evobyte said:
Man who needs an SD card now?? I can finally video tape everything in 4k and not worry about memory or ever loosing the footage because it'll always be on the cloud! I legit video tape everything I can now!
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A lot of people do. Really why drain your battery to access files on line rather than an sd card using less battery power and files on your sd card are a lot safer than the hackable cloud. And there is the extra data you use to access files on line. Sd cards use absolutely no data to access your files and do not eat up battery power so.
1. Sd card files safer than cloud.
2. Sd card uses no data to access your files, so does not eat up your data plan = saves you $$$$
3. Sd card files use less battery power than accessing files on the cloud.

I get that, I'm blessed with unlimited with Verizon but I always only upload to cloud while charging. If anyone is interested in true unlimited data with Verizon, I have an extra line available. I'll only charge 80 a month
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Get over it. SD cards are going away.

That's the great thing about Android! Choice. Different strokes for different folks. There will be a phone out there that suits you. Find it and embrace it! ?
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JarkMackson said:
I agree on the speed, the note did stutter on me from time to time any this phone doesn't at all really (although I have had a few force closes, possibly the apps fault). The assistant has promise but let's be honest, it's no better than Google now at the moment and by the time it is better, it'll be available on every android phone.
The phone itself to me is just last year's Cadillac with this year's Mercedes price tag.
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Well hard to say, as it has cpu that is newer than last years phone, also has better cameras than phones from last year, and software you can't compare to those phones either. And when compares to phones this year, it's kinda the same. I agree it is overpriced, but they are doing it because they can. If you want the best android experience available, there is only one phone. If you don't want to pay that much then there are great alternatives.

Waterproof - Owned S7 and Note, never seemed to EVER need it unless I was showing someone
Wireless charging - have a stand and still use the cable 90% of the time since it's faster
SD Card - I could see this one as a big point, but most people I know never fill up their phones and the ones who do could easily clear up half of it and improve performance by deleting unused apps and cleaning up the gallery, plus with 120 gigs + unlimited cloud I'm goooood
Gimmicks have made people wanting stuff they use maybe once every 4 months. "I can't have it therefore I need it"
IMO Software performance / day to day use > everything else .
Note 7 is a beast phone but I could honestly say at least once a day I get caught in huge lag spikes when trying open snapchat for a quick photo or even the camera app.
Sacrificing gimmicks for day to day use is worth it 100%

meccadon123 said:
Now see here. This is a perfect example. It's all a matter of taste and perspective. The previous google phone users seem to love the Pixel/XL . I come from a long line of Sammy Note phones. Honestly I thought the Note edge was a great phone but with a case on it ..it was a bit to wide for me. actually to me the S6 edge plus was the perfect phone size wise and aesthetically. the 5.7 inch screen and the glass back were perfect. I also have the moto Z force just for the mods. When I think about it, with no bezels and a shortened chin the 5.7 inch screen of the S6 edge+ was basically perfect for me. As far as "wireless" charging I did have to have "fast wireless charging". It's not as fast as a cord with rapid charge but sometimes you just want to sit the phone down and get a quick boost. Not that I'm back to plugging in I do miss fast wireless. Again the assistant is cool, the camera is really decent. anyway.. to each his own. On edit.. thanks for the SUI heads up.. I like it. However,, that mini number in the battery is virtually unreadable.
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I gave you what you want, sorry. Make the whole display bigger, maybe that will work. Or just open the shade if you need a specific percentage.