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apparently there's contrast and color differences between my brother's GSM and my CDMA Galaxy nexus.
Both phones are newest pushed OTA updates. CDMA is more washed out. anyone else notice this?
I don't think it's necessarily CDMA vs GSM. I bought GSM phones for my wife and I, and they have different screens just like your pics.
bedoig said:
I don't think it's necessarily CDMA vs GSM. I bought GSM phones for my wife and I, and they have different screens just like your pics.
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so its luck of the draw I guess. I perfer the higher contrast screen. what amoled is supposed to be.
it could also be v 4.0.1 vs. 4.0.2? if you notice the top of the screens have high contrast. only the middle and bottom are washed out perhaps by the changed gradient each os version uses?
bedoig, can you check to see if both your gsm phones are running the same OS version? thanks
I noticed the difference on mine right out of the box with both running 4.0.1. The difference is so striking though, that I'm thinking maybe it is software related. Especially since, like you said, the contrast in areas like the notification bar looks fine. The settings screen in particular is dramatically different in color. It's weird.
Edit - I haven't checked the build on my wife's phone. Mine's yakju, need to check hers.
I don't have a pic handy but I noticed the same thing between my GSM and Verizon models. I even returned the Verizon for an unrelated problem and the new model is also much worse than the GSM. 4.01 to 4.02 didn't seem to make any difference with it.
I have noticed on my GSM that the screen when displaying blacks doesn't turn off like the SGS2 did, do you think this is different for all devices or something that is true of the Galaxy Nexus?
I think the monitors of the GSM and CDMA version are the same. At least the same as in model number.
But Samsung AMOLED screens are not known for consistency. With every release of their Galaxy phone, forums like this one are full of complaints about monitor quality inconsistency. There are pictures on the web showing a number of GSM Galaxy Nexus', all have slightly different satuation, contrast, and color temperature.
new technology guys. geez. there's still millions of people out there that think plasma burn in easily still. and iphone fanboys that think apple invented the smartphone. get over it or get another phone or another phone. simple.
Last year I bought two Nexus S (one for my wife and one for me) at the same time (Best Buy 12/16, release day). The difference between the two screens was/is amazing. Despite buying two phones at the same time, presumably from the same batch, and all settings and firmware the same, her screen is much brighter and has much less yellow tint than mine. So maybe it is true that there is quite a variation between SAMOLED screens...
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I had 2 Nexus ones. There was a considerable difference in screens, I chalked it up to amoled being new technology.
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I had 2 Nexus ones. There was a considerable difference in screens, I chalked it up to amoled being new technology.
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nexus one had two different version screens. amoled and slcd because of amoled shortage. many other phones have had two versions but i forget which. i think nexus s had slcd variant also.
In my case they were both 9020T, SAMOLED versions, not 1x 9020 SAMOLED and 1x 9023 SLCD. Just like the OP the screen specs are identical but with much visually noticeable difference in practice.
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pukemon said:
nexus one had two different version screens. amoled and slcd because of amoled shortage. many other phones have had two versions but i forget which. i think nexus s had slcd variant also.
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I believe the HTC Desire to be another one that had this
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I wish (its a big wish) that someday, cell phone manufacturers actually calibrate the screens prior to being shipped.
If there are manufacturing differences in panels, batches or otherwise, the calibration part should atleast make them uniform.
Agreed and it can be done automatically.
Francisco francos kernel in the dev forum improves the colors and whites/blacks. Looks much better now
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I have both versions and can attest the same as OP. Besides Verizon's being washed out, it also suffers color banding, and visible vertical amoled lines, extremely visible using gray background even at full brightness. On my GSM version is hardly visible, and only under the very low brightness.
Also, the Verizon's version touch screen isn't nearly as responsive as my unlocked GSM version.
I wanted to return and wait for the replacement, but quickly learnt that Verizon sends you re-certified device in return... Also tested in store units, and they all seem to behave the same as my unit.
In my case its safe to say that Unlocked GSM version performs head and shoulders above the LTE disciple.
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I think the monitors of the GSM and CDMA version are the same. At least the same as in model number.
But Samsung AMOLED screens are not known for consistency. With every release of their Galaxy phone, forums like this one are full of complaints about monitor quality inconsistency. There are pictures on the web showing a number of GSM Galaxy Nexus', all have slightly different satuation, contrast, and color temperature.
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I can confidently second this post. I went through 3 different Nexus S's last year because they all had a strange tint to them that was different than that of my girlfriend's Nexus S. I've also sold easily hundreds of Galaxy S devices at work (same model) and have noticed the color changing over time and even out of the box when people buy more than one at a time.
At the end of the day though it all comes down to preference. If you get a screen that looks ugly to you, exchange it for one that looks good.
Hi,
I have been thinking about getting the i747 model of the S3? is there any widespread issues I should no about before I make the leap?
Screen breaks easy :/
Phone gets hot quite often...
Make sure you like the size you get used to it. I jumped from 3" to 4.8"
Overall it is the best phone on the market and regardless it's a good decision.
tehsprayer said:
Screen breaks easy :/
Phone gets hot quite often...
Make sure you like the size you get used to it. I jumped from 3" to 4.8"
Overall it is the best phone on the market and regardless it's a good decision.
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i've been deciding whether i should get a international or us version... The only thing that stands out for me with the US version is 2GB of ram..
big_doubleT said:
i've been deciding whether i should get a international or us version... The only thing that stands out for me with the US version is 2GB of ram..
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US, versions are way better unless you play video games, you wont want the internation phone, also over heating isnt a issue at all i have mine overclock to 1800mhz and the phone wont go pass 40c at all. And with the US version you get lte which is a pretty big deal to me
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US, versions are way better unless you play video games, you wont want the internation phone, also over heating isnt a issue at all i have mine overclock to 1800mhz and the phone wont go pass 40c at all. And with the US version you get lte which is a pretty big deal to me
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Played everything i have thrown at it flawlessly, and the extra ram is nice, not sure if the int. version is still having redraw issues, but I never had on the US.
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US, versions are way better unless you play video games, you wont want the internation phone, also over heating isnt a issue at all i have mine overclock to 1800mhz and the phone wont go pass 40c at all. And with the US version you get lte which is a pretty big deal to me
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My carrier doesnt support LTE haha. A big decision factor on both for me is dev support , the us versions dont get nearly as much dev support as the international ones.
Brushed Metal ring cracks easily, look closely you will see the cracks
"I feel like I'm gonna break this thing..."
The screen is beautiful, the phone is jam-packed with features and hardware, and if you stay stock Samsung's TouchWiz has some pretty cool features.
I'd get the US over the International for your network's flavor of 4G + 2GB Ram, unless you can acquire a Korean handset. Quad-core with 2GB of RAM and I believe 800 MHz LTE support which is currently useless but I believe Sprint has their eyes on that spectrum for future expansion.
Oh, and it's really thin, has a huge screen, almost no bezel, comes in sweet colors (like red) and I recommend a case.
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"I feel like I'm gonna break this thing..."
The screen is beautiful, the phone is jam-packed with features and hardware, and if you stay stock Samsung's TouchWiz has some pretty cool features.
I'd get the US over the International for your network's flavor of 4G + 2GB Ram, unless you can acquire a Korean handset. Quad-core with 2GB of RAM and I believe 800 MHz LTE support which is currently useless but I believe Sprint has their eyes on that spectrum for future expansion.
Oh, and it's really thin, has a huge screen, almost no bezel, comes in sweet colors (like red) and I recommend a case.
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My carrier does not support 4G LTE yet btw. Would you still choose the US version in that case?
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My carrier does not support 4G LTE yet btw. Would you still choose the US version in that case?
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If your carriers don't support LTE, then you can just get international version.
I too am trying to decide if I should upgrade from my skurocket or not. What more does the s3 offer....art version u.s.
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Hey guys I'm not developer level or anything but here are a few things from my last almost three days with the phone
Good:
Great support.
Easy to root.
Safe failsafe comes with the phone (Odin). It's samsung not motorola so the bootstrapper isn't locked and is 'made to mod'
Great battery- got one day+ out of it doing heavy stuff, syncing high quality audacity files over 4g
Sick screen, processor
Lots of roms and kernels
Bad: A lot of the roms just came out. Aside from AKOP and Nostalgia (stock withouth the bloat) people are having different issues from wifi drain, 4g lte not working, (look up my name to see some of these)
For me- the form factor. The phone is VERY thin VERY wide and PRETTY LONG.. It's hard to grip if you use it to say play music while running. Basically you'd have a stronger grip if you gripped the phone with the screen facing the palm of your hands. The back end is almost frictionless. Again easy to fall, easy to slip out of pocket/bookbag, will bounce around in your pocket and not feel it when it falls out of your bag etc.. It will take getting used to.
Another thing that showed poor thought in the physical design. I have a white phone and didn't notice the menu and back buttons because...they too are white. Meld in perfectly.
Charge time- Charge Could take 3+ hours using a 'fast' high AMp charger off of Amazon. I will try with Samsung's stock charger.
A ton of roms, different version of the phone, and mods keep shooting down threads about battery life etc. I say shut off airplane mode and leave on wifi to see which kernels/governors give best battery life. There's so much customizability that its sort of a bad things.
I haven't played around with it on my JB Rom but on ICS you can't transfer the apps and music files from say spotify to your external card. No matter how quickly internal memory is accessed, for backup and movability purposes that is a huge no no for me and a lot of other people.
Not so much with thep hone but with the carriers. You can't simply flash a lot of the models by entering an unlock code, you usally need a non-carrier network SIM to get the dialogue to pop up, at least on stock/nostalgia.
One big issue that is being reported as irreversable is an IMEI modification. That is like the MAC address for your computer. Hopefully no one dealswiht that
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asjdwf said:
I too am trying to decide if I should upgrade from my skurocket or not. What more does the s3 offer....art version u.s.
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better battery life than the skyrocket by far.
With my skyrocket I had 3 batteries (2 spares) and it would be very rare if I only had to swap out once in a day.
Had my gs3 for a few days now and it can last me almost half a day.
Mind you I use my phone basically 24/7.. I still bought two spare batteries but don't think I'll be swapping out as often
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So what is the deal with the launch! I have heard and read many articles about tomorrow but non with details on the launch.
Who is going to be there tomorrow?
Is this going to be indoors/outdoors on the big screen or what?
Let me know what you think.
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I read somewhere that they are going to show live event on samsung mobile youtube page.
Its in radio city hall near by times square; means close to public.
bikrame said:
I read somewhere that they are going to show live event on samsung mobile youtube page.
Its in radio city hall near by times square; means close to public.
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You heard right, I live around there but I'm pretty sure you need an invite just like the ps4 event.
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It's called an "embargo". That's when Samsung promises that news media will get all the juicy bits and details, but nothing must be officially released until Samsung "lifts" that embargo.
Unfortunately, it's not clear what is allowed, so even "who's who list" will not be announced until the embargo is lifted.
There's a Chinese news site that blasted through the embargo, I'm sure that Samsung will sanction them with much less news in the future. But that is just their evaluation phone, nothing to do about the launch it's self, nor the Tim Cook look alike they've hired to spoof the iPhone in comparison.. (wait, didn't say that. Nothing to see here folks)... :silly:
Link for live unveil on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IDXILsX7_QI
Going on now!!!!
Samsung does really know how to please its customers and demands
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I wasn't really impressed with the software leap but I will make the switch for the hardware and the black phone
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Just watched it live via C-Net.
Wow! I'm actually impressed. Unfortunately you had to wade through a lot of showmanship to get the features, but it was entertaining.
Simply put, it's changing the rules for the next generation of Smartphones.
The addition of 8 sensors to the phone rule out some of the features being back ported to the S3's we have. But still the answer is easy. I want one! :good:
Re: NYC - Times Square - Galaxy S4.
I'll grab that.
SeaFractor said:
Just watched it live via C-Net.
Wow! I'm actually impressed. Unfortunately you had to wade through a lot of showmanship to get the features, but it was entertaining.
Simply put, it's changing the rules for the next generation of Smartphones.
The addition of 8 sensors to the phone rule out some of the features being back ported to the S3's we have. But still the answer is easy. I want one! :good:
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I agree, the device is insane but they did not say if the US was getting a different processor variant than the international version, instead all 155 countries would get to he device at the same time at the end of April 2013.
Seny from the one and only GS3.
you guys think they'll give us U.S GS3 users an update that will give us most (if not all) of the software features of the Galaxy S 4 like they did for the Galaxy S II?
i sure hope so..lol
Orical said:
I agree, the device is insane but they did not say if the US was getting a different processor variant than the international version, instead all 155 countries would get to he device at the same time at the end of April 2013.
Seny from the one and only GS3.
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The specs list shows a 1.9 GHz Quad-Core Processor / 1.6 GHz Octa-Core Processor. The selection of processor will be differed by markets. The touchscreen also works while wearing gloves.
http://wirelessandmobilenews.com/20...quad-core-1.6-octa-core-q2-release-dates.html
I'm going to be seriously pissed off if they pull a Qualcomm stunt for the US version again. Seems like that is exactly what they are doing though. I wish they would just give GSM pentaband and Exynos and through CDMA to the wolves...
A lot of the features probably wouldn't work on Qualcomm chips... I seriously doubt the 600 could keep up.
Pretty similar to the s3 just obvious improvements with the hardware. I think us gs3 users are not as impressed but what you expect to since the s3 was soo good what can come after that to impress again, the s3 put the bar so high the s4 is just a minimal update. I still don't believe android is ready for these quad core, octa-core processors.
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I think its pretty much confirmed that Samsung is going to launch a Qualcomm chip here. At the end of the video it says nothing about AWS connectivity for HSPA+ *sigh* I will wait until the 800 is commercially available and see what launches then.
While it may not be a huge software upgrade, I sure would love to have the new hardware... The LPDDR3 alone is going to blow everything else away.
EDIT: Confirmed... 1.9GHz Snapdragon Fusion Pro.
CNET
So American users are getting the shaft again with processing power. I'll wait to use my upgrade on some thing else
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So American users are getting the shaft again with processing power. I'll wait to use my upgrade on some thing else
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The 600 is no slouch but yes, we get the shaft again. Especially on T-Mobile since we can not even use it on the AWS band. at&t users at least have the option of buying unlocked.
Interestingly enough, the US launch partners are at&t, Verizon, T-Mobile, Sprint, Cricket, and U.S. Cellular. I think that's a first - Cricket getting the best of the best on launch! Their "pay 1000 dollars for a 600 dollar device" program must be being successful much like T-Mobiles Value Plan device installments have been.
I am going to pass for now. I don't mind Snapdragon chips but they get hot and they suck a lot of power.
Honestly if CDMA was dead, I bet Samsung would make an Exynos for the US but releasing two different processor models in a single market would not only piss off consumers but carriers as well. I don't ever see Samsung licensing CDMA from Qualcomm when they can just get an SoC from them instead. I think we need to be more pissed at Qualcomm for their monopoly stranglehold and their slow development of high end chips. We won't see Samsung chips until Qualcomm is brought down a few notches.
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I think its pretty much confirmed that Samsung is going to launch a Qualcomm chip here. At the end of the video it says nothing about AWS connectivity for HSPA+ *sigh* I will wait until the 800 is commercially available and see what launches then.
While it may not be a huge software upgrade, I sure would love to have the new hardware... The LPDDR3 alone is going to blow everything else away.
EDIT: Confirmed... 1.9GHz Snapdragon Fusion Pro.
CNET
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Actually its still up in the air as it says the pro fusion OR octocore on the sheet, I believe they may go the lessor route as well though as it seems to be the trend of past desisions but its not like there's any other carrier producing better than the pro anyways. Only Samsung put the 8 core out there to begin with and yes if you wait another year sure 25 other devices will be in the mix but that's what the game is and that's not gonna make a difference because there will always be a let down no matter what company is in the hot seat but is it the fact we may not get the octo over the pro which HTC is using the 600 in the One they just released and swear by really a huge let down? If they said the screen was gonna be more like the GS3 that would break the deal since they bragged about 1080.
Seny from the one and only GS3.
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Hello,
1. I have to buy a Note 2 in germany.
I saw in the shops that there seems to be a different type of displays on the Samsung galaxy models. Last week I saw a SG S3 and a Note 2 side by side and the whites on the S3 where much better as on the Note 2. Normally it is the opposite way around?!?
I did not follow up the Note 2 thread on XDA to know if I have to take care of something.
Has there been bad early batches? (SDS or something like that)
2. Is there a big difference if the Note 2 is a EU or a german version? I am going to root the phone.
pikatchu said:
Hello,
1. I have to buy a Note 2 in germany.
I saw in the shops that there seems to be a different type of displays on the Samsung galaxy models. Last week I saw a SG S3 and a Note 2 side by side and the whites on the S3 where much better as on the Note 2. Normally it is the opposite way around?!?
I did not follow up the Note 2 thread on XDA to know if I have to take care of something.
Has there been bad early batches? (SDS or something like that)
2. Is there a big difference if the Note 2 is a EU or a german version? I am going to root the phone.
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No bad batches afaik.
SDS is a primaraly a software issue and not hardware originated.
There are 2 kinds of GN2:
1. N7100 with quadcore cpu that supports HSPA+
2. N7105 with dualcore cpu that supports LTE (4g)
Do you something know about the contrast differences?
I cecked the colour rofile settings on both devices and the screen brightness, but these certain S3 had a better display than the Mote 2.
That's due to the high ppi of s3.
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Buy LG Optimus G Pro if you can. If you cannot, Note II is a good choice.
but on many reviews the N2 is brighter and crisper?
The Optimus pro does not have such a good battery life. But I just found one statement according battery life.
pikatchu said:
but on many reviews the N2 is brighter and crisper?
The Optimus pro does not have such a good battery life. But I just found one statement according battery life.
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Yes exynos platform is somehow very good when it comes to battery life and Amoled has almost unbeatable color saturation.
But...
I'm a long time Samsung user. However Samsung disappointed many of us with its open source policy.
If you're planning to use CyanogenMod roms, stay away from Samsung.
I nearly always use CM or AOSP.
I saw many ROMs of these kind in the developement section. Do they have serious bugs?
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I nearly always use CM or AOSP.
I saw many ROMs of these kind in the developement section. Do they have serious bugs?
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Bugs? You misunderstood.
All of them are based on CyanogenMod and at the end they are using the same source code.
CyanogenMod is not/will not be as good as Samsung stock rom due to lack of exynos source codes. CM developers can't do much without them.
You should read these articles
https://plus.google.com/101093310520661581786/posts/DHg5z62CHHu
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...ther-confirms-nor-denies-plans-for-cm-on-gs4/
If you want pure android (therefore CM) experience buy a google device
If you want a CM compatible device, buy a qualcomm chipset device
If you don't care about them, buy a Samsung device.
Hey
U said u checked the profile settings on both
Did u check if screen mode was also selected same on s3 and n2
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Hey
U said u checked the profile settings on both
Did u check if screen mode was also selected same on s3 and n2
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Yes I did. I already had a Galaxy in my hands, so I know where the settings are.
For comparison I checked the text on the Settings menu on both devices and looked at the white text on the dark background. The S3 display was much sharper and the text was more white than the N2.
I know other smartphones with different display types (HTC one for example), so I just wanted to know if the galaxy series do have the same "problems".
Are you sure? Just asking because of threads about SDS on N7100.
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No bad batches afaik.
>>>SDS is a primaraly a software issue and not hardware originated.<<<
There are 2 kinds of GN2:
1. N7100 with quadcore cpu that supports HSPA+
2. N7105 with dualcore cpu that supports LTE (4g)
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Hello
I just want to collect your guys' opinions regarding the Snap and Exy version of SGS4.
(This is why I am posting this thread on AT&T, Sprint and T-mobile forums, to gather as much as possible)
Since I have partial Korean background, I do catch up with reviews made by Korean forums and their users. (all of them got Exy)
The main problem that was pointed out was overheating problem. Is there any Snap user who's experiencing this issue? (apparently, you have to run hardcore processes for more than a hour)
I heard that Sammy chose to supply 70% of their SGS 4 to the globe with Snap and the reason was that I actually found out the overheating problem later during their development and could not manage to implement all of their productions with Exy. (Despite the fact that different regions have different frequencies. But even so?)
This made me to think that SGS 4 did not receive enough attention that it deserved from Sammy this time. Look, let's be generous and understand that the design belongs to everyone's preferences. In the early half of this year, it's competitors released devices that were extraordinary, something that we couldn't see from them for long time (e.g. Xpe Z, htc ONE and Lumia 920).
And no, I am not a Samsung fan-boy since I used both iOS (iPhone 4) and Android (Xperia P, V) for almost equal amount of time. But honestly? I think Sammy is heading in the wrong way these days. The image I used to perceive from Sammy's flagship models until now was that they are massacring spec phones that heightens the standards of all android phones. And this time? well..., (only AP-wise I'm talking) I just think it's better version of htc ONE or Optimus G Pro (which has not been released yet). I didn't care about their design and UI, or them not respecting copy-rights and I seriously doubt that there's a single person who buys SGS series for the sole reason of its brilliant design or TouchWiz. I did not expect them to come up with concepts like "Designed for Humans" or "Life Companion" and did not even want them to. Yet, these days, I feel like Samsung is stepping down from its throne of the hardware kingdom. Why... why... and why do they divide their "flagship" into different AP models without any hesitation?
This became a concern for me recently because my dad had an opportunity to buy either the Snap or Exy model. And since the Snap offered to at price that was $200 cheaper than the Exy, he obviously bought the Snap. HE is a Korean, so he has this Samsung pride(?). Whenever he meets up with his family or friends, he tells them how good his SGS 4 is (exactly like the commercials). As a son, I don't find this annoying at all and I really do like seeing my old man being proud of his product. And if this phone was for me, I would be quite happy to use any of these two models. But because of the given situations, I sometimes get a feeling that Samsung is deceiving their old followers (even if they do not intend to) and makes me little uncomfortable.
I know the Snap model performed better in GPU tests but if Samsung decides to update their Exy model with a firmware that allows MP processing, I think the result are going to be dramatically changed. The gap between these two models are quite severe in their CPU tests.
Would they be ditching their Snap users just like this??? I am indeed quite worried. It has not been a year yet after the release of their highly-acclaimed SGS 3, so maybe, they should have delayed the launching date of SGS 4 to implement Exy in all their products.
I guess my grumbles got horribly long in this thread and as I am a person who makes a lot of mistakes, please feel free to correct me
reanew said:
Hello
I just want to collect your guys' opinions regarding the Snap and Exy version of SGS4.
(This is why I am posting this thread on AT&T, Sprint and T-mobile forums, to gather as much as possible)
Since I have partial Korean background, I do catch up with reviews made by Korean forums and their users. (all of them got Exy)
The main problem that was pointed out was overheating problem. Is there any Snap user who's experiencing this issue? (apparently, you have to run hardcore processes for more than a hour)
I heard that Sammy chose to supply 70% of their SGS 4 to the globe with Snap and the reason was that I actually found out the overheating problem later during their development and could not manage to implement all of their productions with Exy. (Despite the fact that different regions have different frequencies. But even so?)
This made me to think that SGS 4 did not receive enough attention that it deserved from Sammy this time. Look, let's be generous and understand that the design belongs to everyone's preferences. In the early half of this year, it's competitors released devices that were extraordinary, something that we couldn't see from them for long time (e.g. Xpe Z, htc ONE and Lumia 920).
And no, I am not a Samsung fan-boy since I used both iOS (iPhone 4) and Android (Xperia P, V) for almost equal amount of time. But honestly? I think Sammy is heading in the wrong way these days. The image I used to perceive from Sammy's flagship models until now was that they are massacring spec phones that heightens the standards of all android phones. And this time? well..., (only AP-wise I'm talking) I just think it's better version of htc ONE or Optimus G Pro (which has not been released yet). I didn't care about their design and UI, or them not respecting copy-rights and I seriously doubt that there's a single person who buys SGS series for the sole reason of its brilliant design or TouchWiz. I did not expect them to come up with concepts like "Designed for Humans" or "Life Companion" and did not even want them to. Yet, these days, I feel like Samsung is stepping down from its throne of the hardware kingdom. Why... why... and why do they divide their "flagship" into different AP models without any hesitation?
This became a concern for me recently because my dad had an opportunity to buy either the Snap or Exy model. And since the Snap offered to at price that was $200 cheaper than the Exy, he obviously bought the Snap. HE is a Korean, so he has this Samsung pride(?). Whenever he meets up with his family or friends, he tells them how good his SGS 4 is (exactly like the commercials). As a son, I don't find this annoying at all and I really do like seeing my old man being proud of his product. And if this phone was for me, I would be quite happy to use any of these two models. But because of the given situations, I sometimes get a feeling that Samsung is deceiving their old followers (even if they do not intend to) and makes me little uncomfortable.
I know the Snap model performed better in GPU tests but if Samsung decides to update their Exy model with a firmware that allows MP processing, I think the result are going to be dramatically changed. The gap between these two models are quite severe in their CPU tests.
Would they be ditching their Snap users just like this??? I am indeed quite worried. It has not been a year yet after the release of their highly-acclaimed SGS 3, so maybe, they should have delayed the launching date of SGS 4 to implement Exy in all their products.
I guess my grumbles got horribly long in this thread and as I am a person who makes a lot of mistakes, please feel free to correct me
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My taughts about the exynos 8 headed snake and the 4 headed snapdragon is that folks like myself in the USA once again got the stick up our arses. I once pridicted in the SGS3 thread that samsung would do exactly same as with sgs3 which was releaseing a dualcore in usa and quad core in the UK. And they advertise big gs3 quadcore to hype their sale pitch while putting the stick up costomers behind because obviously 90% people dont look at specs of their phone. Well once again its same,gs4 quad in usa while octacore UK. The whole excitement for me was the octacore and their new "big little idea" which was claim to save power consumption etc.
Anyway I own the gs4 snapdragon model now simply because I would have had to stick to 2G speed if I had gotten the exynos model due to lack of band support for network in USA.
The whole overheating thing is not new,the exynos sgs3 and the old snapdragon htc one I had own all over heated despite different cpu when playing games or doing heavy tasks. I also experience it with the gs4 but only while playing games. I must say that it looks like Samsung did spend more time tweaking the governor behavior because on light tasks while multy tasking the cpu dont just jump to the highest frequency as frequently as in their other phones as to consume power unnecessary. But all 4 cores goes online too quickly but at least they go offline fast. So theirs still stuff to be tuned that can dramatically improve cpu efficiency and function.plus wance we get some custom kernels to tweak the voltages of the cpu and gpu it should stop the overheating. Most times over heating is also caused by the cpu frequency ramping up to the highest speed and staying their too long. The snapdragon processor is very fast I must say. Havent had a slowdown since I bought the phone and for stock,battery life is verygood.I could go threw more than a day with medium to light tasks.
Also another thing that Samsung corrected was the oversaturatedness of the screen color which was awfull in the previous sgs3,the brightness of the screen have also improved while in the sunlight compare to the gs3 screen. Thankfully their was Andrelux that released his Perseus kernel in the gs3 section to combat that color problem and everything else I mentioned above plus more. Hopefully their will also be some good dev in the gs4 section to improve user experience. Overall I find the gs4 a decent upgrade weather it have the snapdragon or exynos since samsung corrected and improve upon most things and some that I may have forgot to mention.
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In the side by side tests I did, the i9500 beat the M919 in every area including the GPU, screen response, UI smoothness, HSPA+ data speeds, etc. As far as the heat is concerned I have read an equal amount of complaints on both forums.
I did this with the ONE X Tegra. Wanted the better processor and got what I wanted. Butt suffered because of the USA Bands.
I WANT the 8 core S4 but here it goes again///// USA bands. So i got the TMO version this time.
Overheating was not a huge deal for me. But it does get quite hot when I'm doing lots of tasks.
I say this alll the time. I want the manufacturers to put out 1 device and then a Chipset with all the bands for all the carriers world wide. Then tell the carriers that they need to suck it up and sell the phone as designed and NO re working it for each carrier. A TRUE world phone.
I feel; the features on a device should be limited by the software per carrier, not the hardware.
Well...the 8 core Exynos is really just 2 quad core processors that don't run simultaneously..so I don't really see the big deal. Also, Exynos development absolutely sucks.
According to Engadget the Exynos bests the Snapdragon in about the same amount of tests as the Snapdragon beats the Exynos. A surprising result of their tests shows that the Snapdragon beats the big.LITTLE architecture in a video playback duration test by about 20%
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skygear said:
I did this with the ONE X Tegra. Wanted the better processor and got what I wanted. Butt suffered because of the USA Bands.
I WANT the 8 core S4 but here it goes again///// USA bands. So i got the TMO version this time.
Overheating was not a huge deal for me. But it does get quite hot when I'm doing lots of tasks.
I say this alll the time. I want the manufacturers to put out 1 device and then a Chipset with all the bands for all the carriers world wide. Then tell the carriers that they need to suck it up and sell the phone as designed and NO re working it for each carrier. A TRUE world phone.
I feel; the features on a device should be limited by the software per carrier, not the hardware.
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Thats true,the Hardware should be manufacture as it was advertise and intended. Most people would purchase a smartphone or other device specifically from samsung and do not know anything about the hardware background specifications. Only that "yaayy I have the GS4". Also the carriers such as tmobile for example leaves out the CPU specifics in the list of hardware specs. So its a easy advantage to just slap just about anything in a phone and sell it for same price in the big usa. The dual core gs3 sold for same price as the UK quadcore gs3,infact it sold better in usa if I rember.
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Well...the 8 core Exynos is really just 2 quad core processors that don't run simultaneously..so I don't really see the big deal. Also, Exynos development absolutely sucks.
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You should readup here which explains more about the 8 Core exynos.
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=39172453
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Thats true,the Hardware should be manufacture as it was advertise and intended. Most people would purchase a smartphone or other device specifically from samsung and do not know anything about the hardware background specifications. Only that "yaayy I have the GS4". Also the carriers such as tmobile for example leaves out the CPU specifics in the list of hardware specs. So its a easy advantage to just slap just about anything in a phone and sell it for same price in the big usa. The dual core gs3 sold for same price as the UK quadcore gs3,infact it sold better in usa if I rember.
You should readup here which explains more about the 8 Core exynos.
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=39172453
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Read up on the fact that it is currently not utilizing the 8 cores? Or the fact that if it does use the 8 cores it will not be optimized anyway so it will be basically worthless? Tell me what to read up on. Oh, it might make your benchmarks higher..sweet bro.
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Read up on the fact that it is currently not utilizing the 8 cores? Or the fact that if it does use the 8 cores it will not be optimized anyway so it will be basically worthless? Tell me what to read up on. Oh, it might make your benchmarks higher..sweet bro.
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Im not going into pointless arguments with you. You clearly have not looked at the linkd I refered you too because then you would not be asking all the useless questions youre asking me.
This is why their is always pointless arguments,simply because reading is not emphasize enough on XDA to educate people on the topic before they begin to criticise and pout senseless discussions.
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I personally have both and the i9500 runs laps around the M919. The M919 is laggy as a mofo, + the bloat (removable or not), + international will always see updates 1st. Once the Little.Big architecture is full understood it;s game over. We do have 8 cores and kernels are being worked on to enable all 8. The m919 will always have 1/2 that, period.
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I personally have both and the i9500 runs laps around the M919. The M919 is laggy as a mofo, + the bloat (removable or not), + international will always see updates 1st. Once the Little.Big architecture is full understood it;s game over. We do have 8 cores and kernels are being worked on to enable all 8. The m919 will always have 1/2 that, period.
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You sound like a broken record. I own the M919 running stock and I have yet to experience any lags you mention. For me this is not a competition as which phone is faster,true speed is important but its about the technology behind the makeing and how well it balance in terms of speed and battery. Especially battery performance ,which I think is the reason behind this so call big little architecture samsung have came up with. After all how big are they gonna keep makeing each generation of phones in order to squeeze in a bit more juice into a bigger size battery to run these so call faster more powerfull processors each time a new device comes out, thus the big little thing. If you think about it battery technology have not change since the crack of smartphones and maybe further back but the high demands for speedy more battery hungry chips are in demand each day as productivity increases.
Now I wish I had the octa core to see how it works if any improvement but sadly I dont. From my experience so far with the M919,its very fast cause all 4 core kicks in immediately wether its a small or big task(mean it waste battery),it gets warm to hot too quick while playing games (battery waste again) but the graphics are excellent. Theirs lots of room for improvement on the processor such as a custom kernel to undervolt and regulate the cores to work more efficiently. I randomly left my phone ideling for 24hours and few hours connected to wifi at home and I had a 15% battery drain with about 7mins of use. I had nothing syncing. I think that was good but also can improve with kernel tweaks wance available.
Take note the amount of info I have given you on one device. I didn't just blahh out "m919 is garbage because its slow and I9500 is the fastest **** on the block" unless people just wanna look at benchmarks daily and say "I feel so proud my phone is the fastest ****". It maybe faster yes but right now the software can only function as fast as it was optomize to be if you understand. And I dont know where you get your intell from to pridict product updates and kernel development,im sure their will be kernels and updates available as same with older phones. No one is left out of anything.
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My intel ? seriously bro ? International versions always get updates 1st because the carriers don't have to add all their crap. i have used both in real world environment and the M919 lags on the accuweather live wallpaper from the S3. It's not a comparison of benchmarks, m919 is laggy. You don't have to get all bent because I provided a factual analysis......
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My intel ? seriously bro ? International versions always get updates 1st because the carriers don't have to add all their crap. i have used both in real world environment and the M919 lags on the accuweather live wallpaper from the S3. It's not a comparison of benchmarks, m919 is laggy. You don't have to get all bent because I provided a factual analysis......
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True that if youre waiting on the carrier to release an update its a whole new story but if youre here on xda or aware of the community then you know thats not a problem.
Have you ever taught the Accuweather was optomize N design to run on the S3 flawless. I couldent evin find that wallpaper existance on the playstore.So its prob garbage cause theirs other accuweather live wallpaper available their that works fine.
Im currently running the "Ditalix live wallpaper" which was design for highend devices like the Galaxy S4 and GS3 to look beautiful and run flawless like silk and uses up the largest amount of memory I have ever seen for a wallpaper 256mb in the background,yet no lags. if you were to read the reviews for it on the playstore you would notice it indeed does not work on just any device. So if that can run so good on the M919 I dont see why a low rated Accuweather wallpaper for the old gs3 cannot unless like I said,it was specifically optomize for the gs3 device screen etc. Low fps + low resolution scenario. Anything will lag and look crappy with that case.
This is why prople are misleaded sometimes because a few people screwup and they wisper something is not good cause they had such a terrible experience when its not the device fault.
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Well when you actually have both in hand, your input will be more valuable. It's not just the live wallpaper from the G2 (that's actually where it originates) but simple menu actions, retuning to the home screen, etc. You can say all you want, but without proof from both sides if is YOU that is the broken record. Nobody said the M919 was a terrible experience either, I'm not bashing the device. This thread is for comparisons against the i9500 octa, to which I see significant differences. Are they monumental? No. Do they exist? Yes. For people where the price is close enough to have a choice, this may actually help them make a better, educated decision based of real world experience. I was in the market for either the M919 or i9500 and snagged the octa for the same price I would have paid for the T-Mobile version. I get no LTE in my area and the HSPA+ is plenty for me, so it was an easy choice. About the updates you seem to be missing key information, for carrier branded units the updates have to be leaked, tweaked, modified and ripped from other models 1st if you don't want to wait. International users will always see these 1st as they roll out from Samsung directly.
Another day, another ****-measuring contest...
They're both top-tier devices. There are only a handful of comparable handsets, and the only ones I can think of that're clearly more powerful are the (China-only) Medfield-core Lenovo K-series.
The Exynos will probably be the winner between i9500/i9505, WHEN/IF the driver issues are worked out, but till then the best device is whichever one's in your hand.
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Well when you actually have both in hand, your input will be more valuable. It's not just the live wallpaper from the G2 (that's actually where it originates) but simple menu actions, retuning to the home screen, etc. You can say all you want, but without proof from both sides if is YOU that is the broken record. Nobody said the M919 was a terrible experience either, I'm not bashing the device. This thread is for comparisons against the i9500 octa, to which I see significant differences. Are they monumental? No. Do they exist? Yes. For people where the price is close enough to have a choice, this may actually help them make a better, educated decision based of real world experience. I was in the market for either the M919 or i9500 and snagged the octa for the same price I would have paid for the T-Mobile version. I get no LTE in my area and the HSPA+ is plenty for me, so it was an easy choice. About the updates you seem to be missing key information, for carrier branded units the updates have to be leaked, tweaked, modified and ripped from other models 1st if you don't want to wait. International users will always see these 1st as they roll out from Samsung directly.
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Now you seem to be makeing more sense and posting a proper comment so people can actually make an intelligent decision. Unlike your first 2 posts.
Youre lucky to have good hsdpa+ in your area running I9500 cause when I had the international galaxy s3 tmobile had just made the transition over to support international bandwith for hsdpa+ and the speed and signal was terrible in my area. Had to use 2g speeds. Thats the reason I did not purchase the international model of the galaxy s4 this round,i dont care for lte,3G speed or 4G which I now have would do it for me. Im dont regret my purchase of the M919 cause so far my experience is good.
The only thing I could say to folks looking to buy in the USA and leaning towards the M919 is if possible stay away from tmobile and buy it non carrier branded from a reputable source if the price is right. Tmobile sells the phone at full price if you wanna avoid the monthly down payment but despite buying it at full price and already haveing a contract with them, they sell you it with a contract plus new number as part of the whole deal which is totally ridiculous. Then u have to go threw the idiotic process of canceling it wance u receive your device.
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