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Can we port paranoid android ROM to our N2? With working s pen?

Sent from my SGH-T889 using xda premium

im not seeing any aosp action happening for the tmobile variant yet which is kinda disappointing but i do know a at&t version is being worked on and i tried it the other day, it's good and works for the most part. you just have to flash our radio after installing the rom. hopefully we will get some aosp/aokp roms soon enough.

Could you send me the link to that version?
Sent from my SGH-T889 using xda premium

fix-this! said:
im not seeing any aosp action happening for the tmobile variant yet which is kinda disappointing but i do know a at&t version is being worked on and i tried it the other day, it's good and works for the most part. you just have to flash our radio after installing the rom. hopefully we will get some aosp/aokp roms soon enough.
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been kinda searching around the forums, but haven't come across a recovery flashable modem.. i've got the bin file to flash via odin or heimdall.. but haven't seen a zip anywhere..

pvtjoker42 said:
been kinda searching around the forums, but haven't come across a recovery flashable modem.. i've got the bin file to flash via odin or heimdall.. but haven't seen a zip anywhere..
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Hey Joker.
And OP, PA is being merged with the latest fixes for CM10 in the ATT forums.
madmack got freaking everything working. What an update.

darkierawr said:
Hey Joker.
And OP, PA is being merged with the latest fixes for CM10 in the ATT forums.
madmack got freaking everything working. What an update.
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Thanks Darkie.. been watching the CM10 thread on the AT&T side all day.. Been watching the PA thread as well.
nevermind.. found the modem.zip..

Have u guys seen this yet?
JellyBeer with Multi dpi groups
Wanna try flashing..
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darkierawr said:
Hey Joker.
And OP, PA is being merged with the latest fixes for CM10 in the ATT forums.
madmack got freaking everything working. What an update.
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Hmm.. am I crazy? looking on the AT&T section and not seeing it..
EDIT: Unless this is it.. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1970335

decalex said:
Have u guys seen this yet?
JellyBeer with Multi dpi groups
Wanna try flashing..
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Looks amazing, did you try it?

konceptz said:
Looks amazing, did you try it?
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Going to flash in a few and see
Sent from my SGH-T889 using Tapatalk 2

decalex said:
Going to flash in a few and see
Sent from my SGH-T889 using Tapatalk 2
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Can't wait!
I'm assuming you flash in the proper fashion and then flash the t mobile modem?
Or are you going back to stock and then flashing forward?

konceptz said:
Can't wait!
I'm assuming you flash in the proper fashion and then flash the t mobile modem?
Or are you going back to stock and then flashing forward?
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Yes.. the first one. No go tho without some other modification. Getprop fail in the script since not supported device..
Restoring nandroid now -- was gonna try flashing something else, but can't get my sdcard to mount (or adb to recognize) while in cwr.
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EDITs (abridged).
Flashed MIUI (just for kicks), odin'd modem (since flashable wasn't working).
Booted fine.. looked great. Everything seemed to be working, including S-Pen, except for Sound and calls (lol). Outgoing calls might have been working, but got no audio. Permissions manager was freaking out too.. tons of related FCs. Anyway.. was nice to see it on the Note 2.
Reading thru the thread now.. and see the permissions and calls are a known issue.

[Q]

So i finally rooted my LGOG v9. Finally!!! Now i want to flash because i cant wait for jelly bean. But im like so clueless. Like what are gaaps?? can someone please show me how to flash a good cm roms. Or make a vid!!!!

You should google first, I know everyone was a first timer at one point, but at least try googling how to use recovery to flash roms.
Do that, and follow the OP installation instructions, and you'll be fine.

hexodus said:
So i finally rooted my LGOG v9. Finally!!! Now i want to flash because i cant wait for jelly bean. But im like so clueless. Like what are gaaps?? can someone please show me how to flash a good cm roms. Or make a vid!!!!
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seeing as your new here is a hint but like jiexi said google and the search in here is ur friend.....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=2002
and this is the rom i am on, very stable in my opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2127346

gentledroid17 said:
seeing as your new here is a hint but like jiexi said google and the search in here is ur friend.....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=2002
and this is the rom i am on, very stable in my opinion
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2127346
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Don't think that Rom will work for him. Chances are he has upgraded to the latest version of LG's firmware. And I doubt he will have luck trying to downgrade. Maybe link him to Houston's jb leaks. They flash problem free without having to downgrade.
Sent from my LG-E973 using Tapatalk 2
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I'd link it myself, but the option to copy a threads URL in xda isn't working for me: (
Sent from my LG-E973 using Tapatalk 2

Your best bet is to read, read, read. Each device may respond a little bit differently to each ROM, and what apps you install can have an effect as well. It can be a long process, but the only way to say what ROM works for you is to try it
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d802 STOCK 80220C Open EUR rootable with custom recovery

For Starters....
I'd just like to stay that this is none of my own work, I've just piggy backed off everyone else's work because I wanted the latest stock rooted with recovery. And i am by no means a developer. But I've seen this been requested a few places so I thought I would share.
This installed perfectly on my sim free 16gb D802 here in the UK, so I cannot see any reason why it wont install on any 16gb D802.
First off, Recovery.
I used Philz touch(6.19.7), I haven't had a single problem with the latest version of this recovery for either stock or aosp roms. And if you wish to use this rom please use his latest recovery for a smooth install as i can not help you otherwise. This rom has NOT been tested on twrp so please do not use it for this rom.
Installation
There has been one report of someone loosing their recovery, if you test this zip, use an app from the play store to boot into recovery to avoid doing a full wipe if recovery isn't their.
If you haven't installed a stock kk rom before with custom recovery, you'll need to download the kitkat baseband from Cloudyfa, if your not sure do it anyway, it wont hurt - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2680948
If you wish to be rooted the easiest way is to make root when prompted as you exit recovery and then install SuperSu from the play store. Alternatively you can download the latest SuperSu and flash it in recovery.
Second download THE ROM - https://mega.co.nz/#!lt9AhYzD!kOjq9_C8Ag-vP1D8UKnbAl3dwx8zmK__BETgGuQdSnE
Mirror - Thanks Wimmme - https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_CmKeXB6dmrU0ZUbXBKY2Vmanc/edit
Back up personal data
Nandroid Backup
Do A Full Wipe!!
Flash KitKat Baseband if needed.
Flash Rom
Flash SuperSu *Optional, can be flashed or installed after.
Reboot!
If you feel it is a bit sluggish comparing with the custom stock roms, you can always reduce the animation speed in developer settings.
Problems with 4G/LTE?
Get a file explorer with root. Go to root of phone -> system -> build.prop and change ro.telephony.default_network from 9 to 11 and save. Annoyingly will be lost after reboot. If it still doesn't work after this change, try also along with this edit:
jsen said:
Try this, find and edit in build.prop
ro.build.target_country=SG (obviously mine is SG, so pls change to YOUR country)
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Big Thanks and credits to:
LenAsh - For his Flashable zip of 80220C of with this is based on.
Cloudyfa - For his work with the boot mod and KK Baseband. And the clear about his custom boot.
Savoca - For work with boot mod.
Chainfire - For SuperSu
If there is any problems with me doing this please notify me and ill remove it immediately, Thanks.

hiii
v20c when relesed ???i not found link

jojobans said:
hiii
v20c when relesed ???i not found link
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I believe LenAsh said the build date was the 25th of march.

Merfy said:
I believe LenAsh said the build date was the 25th of march.
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but i not found link 20c ..Where is link download

jojobans said:
but i not found link 20c ..Where is link download
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Sorry, are you talking about my OP? or to the official Kdz. If your talking about my Op . it's the second of the two links.

Will this work on 32gb version ?

albsat said:
Will this work on 32gb version ?
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I can't say for sure as i can not test but, i can tell you that people with 32gb phones have had success with the same flashable zip without the mods for custom recovery if you check their threads. So my guess is yes, it would work, but there is no guarantee, if you try just make sure you have a 32gb rom you've used before and know if working on the phone to flash back to or of course do a nandroid backup.

If anyone has tried this, please post and let me know its running. So I can leave the thread up with confidence. Thanks.

jojobans said:
but i not found link 20c ..Where is link download
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Why not at least look? Or search? My thread is here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2707170
And - why are you asking for a kdz in this thread? Off topic, largely
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albsat said:
Will this work on 32gb version ?
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Yes

Keep custom recovery after flash?
After flashing the baseband + rom do I keep my custom recovery??

WNTR said:
After flashing the baseband + rom do I keep my custom recovery??
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Yes

It is working on my Singaporean 32GB D802. I didn't have to do a full wipe and it's ok.

Just flashed it all and it works great.
Verstuurd vanaf mijn LG-D802 met Tapatalk

WNTR said:
Just flashed it all and it works great.
Verstuurd vanaf mijn LG-D802 met Tapatalk
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Do you still have custom recovery? I flashed this wanted to reboot into recovery and the phone performed a hard reset....
:crying:

Stil got philz recovery.
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Kickoff said:
Do you still have custom recovery? I flashed this wanted to reboot into recovery and the phone performed a hard reset....
:crying:
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I'm really sorry about that! But to my understanding it shouldn't even be possible since only the system, modem and cust partitions are in the zip so your recovery shouldn't be touched.
Are you sure you didn't flash anything else before hand? what's steps did you take? followed my instructions?
To anyone who wants to test if they have recovery, then I recommend using an app from the play store in order to reach your recovery, that way i think you'll avoid wiping your phone if you truly have no recovery anymore after flashing the zip.
Update
So your post has really made me panic as obviously I only have good intentions and feel terrible about your loss of personal data. But I've double even triple checked everything, not much can go wrong, I just tested the zip with TWRP. And I'm still getting a good install with recovery. You do have the D802 yes? as clearly the zip only contains the patched D802 boot only.
I've literally only just started developing for a few months now after a recent uni project inspired me. Building myself a custom rom adding the features I miss but such problems like this scare me of ever sharing them. Too much responsibility.
Again really sorry, would love to know what has gone wrong. I'll leave the link up for now unless a similar problem occurs in which it will be removed.

Maybe he accidentaly flashed lenash's zipfile instead of yours. Then he would lose custom recovery.
Verstuurd vanaf mijn LG-D802 met Tapatalk

if nobody else has had that problem and they followed your instructions unless there are loads with the same problem then its got to be user error,please dont be put off as im sure your confidence will grow with time thanks for bringing this to release and please carry on doing what you do as we need good people like yourselves to keep on doing this stuff, cheers and thanks for sharing

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if nobody else has had that problem and they followed your instructions unless there are loads with the same problem then its got to be user error,please dont be put off as im sure your confidence will grow with time thanks for bringing this to release and please carry on doing what you do as we need good people like yourselves to keep on doing this stuff, cheers and thanks for sharing
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Yeah, I guess your right, I thought I was pretty safe sharing this as like I said it isn't my own work just patched together what the experienced developers have released. But I have work in progress I think people will enjoy. Just didn't realise how responsible i would feel untill i read that message and had a full blown panic haha.

has someone seen any change/improvement vs 20b?
Since kitkat my g2 stutter when playing youtube HD video over wifi when bluetooth is enabled. as soon as I turn it off, it plays smoothly.
I would really like to know if this release fix it before upgrading.

Is there a flashable OTA zip anywhere?

I just wanted to find out if there was a flashable zip for the recent OTA that came out a week or two ago?
If not, what is my option to upgrade and get rooted and also having a functioning wifi tether (hacked /rooted, etc like Autoprimes mod or wifi tether router app?) From my understanding, the OTA borked the tethering but I use it all the time at work. I see Autoprime said he has a test version out for donors and hopefully in a week or so he might have an update to his tethering mod.
Thank you,
Whiteice
Sent from my LG G3.

I also want a flashable OTA update

WhiteiceDMSTech said:
I just wanted to find out if there was a flashable zip for the recent OTA that came out a week or two ago?
If not, what is my option to upgrade and get rooted and also having a functioning wifi tether (hacked /rooted, etc like Autoprimes mod or wifi tether router app?) From my understanding, the OTA borked the tethering but I use it all the time at work. I see Autoprime said he has a test version out for donors and hopefully in a week or so he might have an update to his tethering mod.
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It's doubtful that anybody will publish a rooted OTA because it takes a lot of work. To upgrade, your best bet is to download the full upgraded and rooted stock ROM available here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/tmobile-lg-g3/development/rom-zonerom-07-24-14-deodex-t2827304
Note that there are several ROMS on that page ... but you can stick with the stock one and dirty-flash. Personally, I made the move to ZoneROM and I'm pretty happy for it.
Remember to thank @zone23 for his/her hard work.
...Also tethering is indeed borked.

ailima said:
It's doubtful that anybody will publish a rooted OTA because it takes a lot of work. To upgrade, your best bet is to download the full upgraded and rooted stock ROM available here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/tmobile-lg-g3/development/rom-zonerom-07-24-14-deodex-t2827304
Note that there are several ROMS on that page ... but you can stick with the stock one and dirty-flash. Personally, I made the move to ZoneROM and I'm pretty happy for it.
Remember to thank @zone23 for his/her hard work.
...Also tethering is indeed borked.
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First of all, thanks for the link because that helped me a lot. But I am confused by your first sentence. Isn't the rom in that link exactly what we need? Is it different because the OTA is just a upgrade from a small file while the link has the full rom? And since I am asking so many questions, will that rom work good just dirty flashed in twrp, not changing anything else?

Nate Rules said:
First of all, thanks for the link because that helped me a lot. But I am confused by your first sentence. Isn't the rom in that link exactly what we need? Is it different because the OTA is just a upgrade from a small file while the link has the full rom? And since I am asking so many questions, will that rom work good just dirty flashed in twrp, not changing anything else?
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Yeah, it's not a small OTA, it's the whole ROM. But you can upgrade with it, nonetheless. So yes, it's what you need.
There have been varying reports on the new (m) ROM. My personal experience is excellent with the latest ZoneROM. My screen is fixed (no over sharpening), my battery life is decent, etc. The only issue I've had is tethering and Prime Tether should be out soon (hopefully). In the meantime, other people have had success with one of the tethering apps in the play store.
As always, backup first, then just try it out. If you don't like it, just restore.
Good luck!

Nate Rules said:
First of all, thanks for the link because that helped me a lot. But I am confused by your first sentence. Isn't the rom in that link exactly what we need? Is it different because the OTA is just a upgrade from a small file while the link has the full rom? And since I am asking so many questions, will that rom work good just dirty flashed in twrp, not changing anything else?
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Yeah, it's not a small OTA, it's the whole ROM. But you can upgrade with it, nonetheless. So yes, it's what you need.
There have been varying reports on the new (m) ROM. My personal experience is excellent with the latest ZoneROM. My screen is fixed (no over sharpening), it's faster, my battery life is decent, etc. The only issue I've had is tethering and Prime Tether should be out soon (hopefully). In the meantime, other people have had success with one of the tethering apps in the play store.
As always, backup first, then just try it out. If you don't like it, just restore.
Good luck!

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Yeah, it's not a small OTA, it's the whole ROM. But you can upgrade with it, nonetheless. So yes, it's what you need.
There have been varying reports on the new (m) ROM. My personal experience is excellent with the latest ZoneROM. My screen is fixed (no over sharpening), it's faster, my battery life is decent, etc. The only issue I've had is tethering and Prime Tether should be out soon (hopefully). In the meantime, other people have had success with one of the tethering apps in the play store.
As always, backup first, then just try it out. If you don't like it, just restore.
Good luck!
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Thank you, that was easy to do. I did put a fresh battery in last night and I woke to %10 battery so something is wrong but hopefully I can find the culprit.

Ouch.

ailima said:
It's doubtful that anybody will publish a rooted OTA because it takes a lot of work. To upgrade, your best bet is to download the full upgraded and rooted stock ROM available here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/tmobile-lg-g3/development/rom-zonerom-07-24-14-deodex-t2827304
Note that there are several ROMS on that page ... but you can stick with the stock one and dirty-flash. Personally, I made the move to ZoneROM and I'm pretty happy for it.
Remember to thank @zone23 for his/her hard work.
...Also tethering is indeed borked.
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So, if I use the stock rooted to upgrade, it is indeed already rooted? Do I need to do anything else once I flash to root?
Thank you,
Whiteice

WhiteiceDMSTech said:
So, if I use the stock rooted to upgrade, it is indeed already rooted? Do I need to do anything else once I flash to root?
Thank you,
Whiteice
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There should not be anything else you need to do except reapply any customizations you had. I set my dpi back to 540 and re-enabled my Xposed modules.
... Oh wait... There's a new radio that came out with the m rom. I haven't applied it yet myself, but you may want to hunt it down and flash that as well.
I heard it was available somewhere in the zonerom thread. Again, I just haven't looked, personally.

ailima said:
There should not be anything else you need to do except reapply any customizations you had. I set my dpi back to 540 and re-enabled my Xposed modules.
... Oh wait... There's a new radio that came out with the m rom. I haven't applied it yet myself, but you may want to hunt it down and flash that as well.
I heard it was available somewhere in the zonerom thread. Again, I just haven't looked, personally.
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since we are talking about dirty flash? that means since i have stock rom can i flash zonerom on top without losing any data, or as in any rom we need to factory reset...

BUMP?

Jo_795 said:
BUMP?
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I did with no issues. But results may vary,definitely make a backup and give it a shot. Any issues and you can restore your backup

Stock Roms

Hello all,
I was wondering if we could get a thread started with stock roms that are able to be flashed in TWRP. Stock and if you can a flashable root .zip, or if for some reason that is not possible, then a stock rooted, and non-rooted stock please. Usually each phone has a thread like this, id just like to start one.
Thanks to all!
Stock Roms:
5.0.2 Rooted Stock: https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=24052804347759137 Build#: 1.33.605.15
Apps for Rom above: https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=24052804347759128

Michaelmansour1997 said:
Hello all,
I was wondering if we could get a thread started with stock roms that are able to be flashed in TWRP. Stock and if you can a flashable root .zip, or if for some reason that is not possible, then a stock rooted, and non-rooted stock please. Usually each phone has a thread like this, id just like to start one.
Thanks to all!
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1) this should be in the Q&A thread not the DEVelopment thread.
2) NEO has already done this my friend.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/verizon-one-m9/development/rom-1-33-605-15-t3115651
3) if you are looking for a 100% non roooted non deodexed ROM, ill upload it for you now. give me a bit.
4) you can flash supersu in TWRP after flashing the ROM.zip im uploading now.

that is not stock, its deodexed and has some fc issues, im talking from verizon stock

andybones said:
1) this should be in the Q&A thread not the DEVelopment thread.
2) NEO has already done this my friend.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/verizon-one-m9/development/rom-1-33-605-15-t3115651
3) if you are looking for a 100% non roooted non deodexed ROM, ill upload it for you now. give me a bit.
4) you can flash supersu in TWRP after flashing the ROM.zip im uploading now.
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also how do i move the thread
also thank you so much

Michaelmansour1997 said:
also how do i move the thread
also thank you so much
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need to ask a MOD, uploading a 100% stock ODEX ROM with root. not a single app removed. 100$ stock.

andybones said:
need to ask a MOD, uploading a 100% stock ODEX ROM with root. not a single app removed. 100$ stock.
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thankyou my friend, ive been having issues with NEO's, also sorry for the dumb question but what is the difference between deodex and not deodex.

Michaelmansour1997 said:
thankyou my friend, ive been having issues with NEO's, also sorry for the dumb question but what is the difference between deodex and not deodex.
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please use google
- short answer, ODEX is how it comes from Verizon.
- deodex allows us DEVs to edit the code easier and also for themers to do their thing.
if you want purely stock, however, you will most likely want ODEX as this is how it comes stock.
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I'll post the ROM here for you. It is 100% stock with superuser, no apps removed, and ODEX.

andybones said:
please use google
- short answer, ODEX is how it comes from Verizon.
- deodex allows us DEVs to edit the code easier and also for themers to do their thing.
if you want purely stock, however, you will most likely want ODEX as this is how it comes stock.
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I'll post the ROM here for you. It is 100% stock with superuser, no apps removed, and ODEX.
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thanks!

Michaelmansour1997 said:
thanks!
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sorry, I fell asleep last night. here is ROM
https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=24052804347758794

andybones said:
sorry, I fell asleep last night. here is ROM
https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=24052804347758794
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Just to clarify, this is rooted correct?

jtommyj said:
Just to clarify, this is rooted correct?
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Yes it is!

Michaelmansour1997 said:
Yes it is!
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I've downloaded twice and got a binary error. Anything you can think of?

jtommyj said:
I've downloaded twice and got a binary error. Anything you can think of?
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I m notnhome now but i will see when i get back tonight

Michaelmansour1997 said:
I m notnhome now but i will see when i get back tonight
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No worries.
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andybones said:
sorry, I fell asleep last night. here is ROM
https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=24052804347758794
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Hi Andy- getting a binary update error when I try to flash. Downloaded twice and same thing. Any thoughts? Thanks buddy.

jtommyj said:
No worries.
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Hi Andy- getting a binary update error when I try to flash. Downloaded twice and same thing. Any thoughts? Thanks buddy.
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Try quoting andy and see if he replies, he uploaded it

Michaelmansour1997 said:
Try quoting andy and see if he replies, he uploaded it
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Lol done just before you posted.

I'll check into it tmw

I will be modifying my Semi-Deodexed Stock to a true, VZW deodexed Stock with init.d enabled, unsecured boot, Power saver enabled, and hotspot enabled.
That base I uploaded for you all was a rush order and I had to travel out of town. Now that I have completed my personal project, I will return focus to dropping a true stock base.

Ill try uploading one more time, it has the same updater-script as my Fluent ROM so it should be working, but if not no biggie, Neo has it covered :good:

The reason the Odexed rom throws a binary error on flash, is due to the fact that it exceeds the maximum file size for flashing on our m9's system (which I believe is 2gb Max). For this reason, I believe we will never get a stock odex flashable. Fear not however, I will try again on Monday with a stock deodexed rom. Should the rom however exceed that 2gb compressed file size, I will have to debloat it and offer the remaining bloat as a separate flashable for those of you who miss bogging the system down with junk