I have some trick for hard gaming if you is a trully gamers
First. Use Disable CPU rendering+adrenaline™boost+unlimited™tweak in every rom. Go to setting and then developer option, enable force gpu rendering. If you're using CM9 Go to performance setting, disable surface dithering, enable 16bit transparency. Go to memory management, disable zram and disable allow purging of assets, enable kernel samepage merging(KSM). It will improve your phone.
Trick 1:
If youre using cm9b2 or other rom who based on cm9b2. You can flash adrenaline™engine+boost+KickAssKernelizer+disable cpu rendering. Use forfivo kernel and set to 1.5/1.6/1.7/1.8ghz(test one by one). Choose the clock who made your phone smooth and less lag while hard gaming. Set governor to brazillianwax/smartassv2/ondemandx/lagfree/performance. And dont forget to type 'su' enter and then type 'boost' in terminal emulator before gaming.
Trick 2:
For cm9b3 or other rom who based on cm9b3. I think its no need much script or tweak. Because, its have some bionic tweak. But i have some improvement. Use custom kernel, i preffered to use castagnaIT oc version+adrenaline boost+disable cpu rendering. Set governor to lagfree/brazillianwax/ondemandx/smartassv2/smoothass/performance. And dont forget again to type 'su' enter and type 'boost' before gaming
Trick 3:
For stock CM kernel. Use my conservative governor script+adrenaline engine+adrenaline boost+disable cpu rendering.
Trick 4:
For GB. Use v6 supercharge latest version, set to superUL. And use loopy smoothness, ive not tried this combo. But, some people say this trick will improve your phone performance. And then u can use cow oc kernel, set governor to ondemandx/smartassv2/performance. If you want you can use adrenaline boost
Trick 5:
If you want to play any game without lag or perfect. Try to take your phone, put on your side, and play PS3, i promise you can't see any lag while gaming. Lol
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TRICK 1;
Use Seeder.zip and combine with kernel by hadidjapri, its have a great perform. Set clock to 368mhz-1.0/1.1/1.2/1.3/1.4ghz, and set governors "smartassv2" or "lulzactive" with zen/sio/cfq scheduler.
TRICK 2;
flash seeder.zip! Andd combine with some tweak from pimp my rom;
-Open PMR, go to Dalvik VM Tab
-Change the 'Flags' to v=n(None) o=v(verified only) m=y(yes), Apply!
-Next, turn on the Just-In-Time Compiler
-Go to Kernel Tab
-Apply disable i/o stats and scheduler sysctl tweak
-Go to Android Features
-Turn on Hardware acceleration
-Go to Miscellaneous tweak
-Apply Zipalign
-And then swap your ram
TRICK 3;
Use SeederV7.zip! Combine with the latest version of RTMixManager.
Install all the tweak. After all, go to system/etc/usrsetting then edit VALUE 6 to 2, and VALUE 10 to 0. Finish.
TRICK 4;
Use seederV7.zip! Download Titanium Backup from here (old version). Download sysctl config pro on blapkmarket.cz or blackmart app.
**Odex with TB
-open app
-click menu button
-choose integrate sys dalvik into rom.
-finish
Check using root explorer, go to /system/app. If it work, you will see .odex file on every app
**Open sysctl app, then set;
-dirty ratio = 30
-dirty background ratio = 15
-vfs cache pressure = 50
Next, click advanced. On key bar type this;
1. Type "kernel.sched_latency_ns". Set the value 600000. Click apply
2. Type "kernel.sched_min_granularity_ns". Set the value 400000. Click apply
3. Type "kernel.sched_wakeup_granularity_ns". Set the value 100000. Click apply
4. Type "kernel.sched_features". Set the value 24188. Click apply
5. Finish
**WARNING**
Make sure you are using a kernel that use CFS scheduler (Not CFQ!! Its IO scheduler!! CFS is Complete Fair Scheduler. It is kernel scheduler)
TRICK 5
I recommend you all to use hurtsky kernel. Download SManager, Crossbreeder and this Universal Odex Script . Step by step;
-Flash crossbreeder via cwm
-Open SManager. Go to /etc/crossbreeder.
-Disable all script in there, except "disable crossbreeder"
-Enable Governor Tweak
-Flash Universal Odex Script via cwm
-After reboot, open terminal emulator.
-Type su. Then enter. Type dexo
-There will be appear seven option for odexing
-Choose one. I have been choosed "odex all rom" in term "dexo -all"
-Finish
TRICK 6
There's two option:
--Avcore by LENAROX Download +ram script
--Nx02engine by Pizza_dox Download +ram script
For applying avcore, copy the file to /system/xbin, set permission rwxrwxrwx. Then go to Terminal Emulator type su<enter>avc -h <enter> to see how to install the tweak. But, i recommend to you to set
Su <enter> avc -k -p200 <enter> avc -m -p190 <enter>
For applying nx02engine and ram script, just apply with smanager. Dont forget to set run as root for nxengine, run as root and boot for ram script. Leave nx engine to run in background.
Ram Script : https://db.tt/Ut8WVdtq (thanks to Lenarox for the help)
For More Optimization. Go to this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=33073580 :thumbup:
All of the trick would be awesome if you going PRISTINE firstly.
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Nice trick!
Very helpful thanks
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Nice trick!
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hairspray said:
Very helpful thanks
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My pleasure bro:thumbup:
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LOL trick number 5
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LOL trick number 5
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Hahaha
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Nice share
eryzerz said:
I have some trick for hard gaming if you is a trully gamers
First. Use Disable CPU rendering+adrenaline™boost+unlimited™tweak in every rom. Go to setting and then developer option, enable force gpu rendering. If you're using CM9 Go to performance setting, disable surface dithering, enable 16bit transparency. Go to memory management, disable zram and disable allow purging of assets, enable kernel samepage merging(KSM). It will improve your phone.
Trick 1:
If youre using cm9b2 or other rom who based on cm9b2. You can flash adrenaline™engine+boost+KickAssKernelizer+disable cpu rendering. Use forfivo kernel and set to 1.5/1.6/1.7/1.8ghz(test one by one). Choose the clock who made your phone smooth and less lag while hard gaming. Set governor to brazillianwax/smartassv2/ondemandx/lagfree/performance. And dont forget to type 'su' enter and then type 'boost' in terminal emulator before gaming.
Trick 2:
For cm9b3 or other rom who based on cm9b3. I think its no need much script or tweak. Because, its have some bionic tweak. But i have some improvement. Use custom kernel, i preffered to use castagnaIT oc version+adrenaline boost+disable cpu rendering. Set governor to lagfree/brazillianwax/ondemandx/smartassv2/smoothass/performance. And dont forget again to type 'su' enter and type 'boost' before gaming
Trick 3:
For stock CM kernel. Use my conservative governor script+adrenaline engine+adrenaline boost+disable cpu rendering.
Trick 4:
For GB. Use v6 supercharge latest version, set to superUL. And use loopy smoothness, ive not tried this combo. But, some people say this trick will improve your phone performance. And then u can use cow oc kernel, set governor to ondemandx/smartassv2/performance. If you want you can use adrenaline boost
Trick 5:
If you want to play any game without lag or perfect. Try to take your phone, put on your side, and play PS3, i promise you can't see any lag while gaming. Lol
Have some trick? Shared on this thread
Give THANKS if this trick is useful. Don't be stingy to press Thanks button :beer:
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Thx for your tricks, i'll gibe it a try ^^
Thanks
eryzerz said:
I have some trick for hard gaming if you is a trully gamers
First. Use Disable CPU rendering+adrenaline™boost+unlimited™tweak in every rom. Go to setting and then developer option, enable force gpu rendering. If you're using CM9 Go to performance setting, disable surface dithering, enable 16bit transparency. Go to memory management, disable zram and disable allow purging of assets, enable kernel samepage merging(KSM). It will improve your phone.
Trick 1:
If youre using cm9b2 or other rom who based on cm9b2. You can flash adrenaline™engine+boost+KickAssKernelizer+disable cpu rendering. Use forfivo kernel and set to 1.5/1.6/1.7/1.8ghz(test one by one). Choose the clock who made your phone smooth and less lag while hard gaming. Set governor to brazillianwax/smartassv2/ondemandx/lagfree/performance. And dont forget to type 'su' enter and then type 'boost' in terminal emulator before gaming.
Trick 2:
For cm9b3 or other rom who based on cm9b3. I think its no need much script or tweak. Because, its have some bionic tweak. But i have some improvement. Use custom kernel, i preffered to use castagnaIT oc version+adrenaline boost+disable cpu rendering. Set governor to lagfree/brazillianwax/ondemandx/smartassv2/smoothass/performance. And dont forget again to type 'su' enter and type 'boost' before gaming
Trick 3:
For stock CM kernel. Use my conservative governor script+adrenaline engine+adrenaline boost+disable cpu rendering.
Trick 4:
For GB. Use v6 supercharge latest version, set to superUL. And use loopy smoothness, ive not tried this combo. But, some people say this trick will improve your phone performance. And then u can use cow oc kernel, set governor to ondemandx/smartassv2/performance. If you want you can use adrenaline boost
Trick 5:
If you want to play any game without lag or perfect. Try to take your phone, put on your side, and play PS3, i promise you can't see any lag while gaming. Lol
Have some trick? Shared on this thread
Give THANKS if this trick is useful. Don't be stingy to press Thanks button :beer:
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Is this trick will damage my galaxy wonder ?
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Is this trick will damage my galaxy wonder ?
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As long as i'm using it no problem with my phone. Just if you can don't frequently overclock your cpu (don't if you can) because it could damage the cpu.
The 1.4ghz is already enough for playing some hard games for me and i encounter no lags. If lag try to use tweaks or clear some ram before playing
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nice post dude !! ...
i'm gonna try
wow, txs..
i will try this sooner or later ..:laugh:
what game have you tried?
eryzerz said:
I have some trick for hard gaming if you is a trully gamers
First. Use Disable CPU rendering+adrenaline™boost+unlimited™tweak in every rom. Go to setting and then developer option, enable force gpu rendering. If you're using CM9 Go to performance setting, disable surface dithering, enable 16bit transparency. Go to memory management, disable zram and disable allow purging of assets, enable kernel samepage merging(KSM). It will improve your phone.
Trick 1:
If youre using cm9b2 or other rom who based on cm9b2. You can flash adrenaline™engine+boost+KickAssKernelizer+disable cpu rendering. Use forfivo kernel and set to 1.5/1.6/1.7/1.8ghz(test one by one). Choose the clock who made your phone smooth and less lag while hard gaming. Set governor to brazillianwax/smartassv2/ondemandx/lagfree/performance. And dont forget to type 'su' enter and then type 'boost' in terminal emulator before gaming.
Trick 2:
For cm9b3 or other rom who based on cm9b3. I think its no need much script or tweak. Because, its have some bionic tweak. But i have some improvement. Use custom kernel, i preffered to use castagnaIT oc version+adrenaline boost+disable cpu rendering. Set governor to lagfree/brazillianwax/ondemandx/smartassv2/smoothass/performance. And dont forget again to type 'su' enter and type 'boost' before gaming
Trick 3:
For stock CM kernel. Use my conservative governor script+adrenaline engine+adrenaline boost+disable cpu rendering.
Trick 4:
For GB. Use v6 supercharge latest version, set to superUL. And use loopy smoothness, ive not tried this combo. But, some people say this trick will improve your phone performance. And then u can use cow oc kernel, set governor to ondemandx/smartassv2/performance. If you want you can use adrenaline boost
Trick 5:
If you want to play any game without lag or perfect. Try to take your phone, put on your side, and play PS3, i promise you can't see any lag while gaming. Lol
Have some trick? Shared on this thread
Give THANKS if this trick is useful. Don't be stingy to press Thanks button :beer:
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Hey, nice tricks out there but i've gotta question. What the name of games that you've tried and how many apps in your galaxy wonder right now? i had about 107 apps and gaming it's smooth on galaxy wondeer cm9b4 but sometimes it's a bit laggy and frame rate drop but it's not too bothering me.
Games like real steel,nova3,shadowgun. Now, 112apps.
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Games like real steel,nova3,shadowgun. Now, 112apps.
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There's a lot of apps. Is it all user apps or that 112 apps is combined with user and system app?
Don't hesitate pressing the "thanks" button
reddvilzz said:
There's a lot of apps. Is it all user apps or that 112 apps is combined with user and system app?
Don't hesitate pressing the "thanks" button
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Its combine, maybe.
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Its combine, maybe.
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Didn't you got a fc while playing shadowgun etc? Everytime i install games from gameloft or other that have a big file size / data size everytime i open it after 10 seconds playing it closes it self. Any idea?
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eryzerz said:
Games like real steel,nova3,shadowgun. Now, 112apps.
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shadowgun only playable when i first installed and download. its smooth but just force close if i exit the game launch it the second time. what?! nova 3? it usually lags like hell and its unplayable but you say its playable. wow. hahaha. although bc2 and mc3 runs okay but i think nova 3 is too much for w.. but i would try it with my cm9b4. i will report it soon. thx
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eryzerz said:
Games like real steel,nova3,shadowgun. Now, 112apps.
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anyway i got 107 all user apps
you could check it via titanium backup. when you click batch, there's option to backup all apps but first make sure filtered user only. then the number shows how many user apps
reddvilzz said:
Didn't you got a fc while playing shadowgun etc? Everytime i install games from gameloft or other that have a big file size / data size everytime i open it after 10 seconds playing it closes it self. Any idea?
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Nope. When playing shadowgun i just hate to wait the loading wkwk i dunno. Alhamdulillah, I never got a problem like that hihi-_-v
Anyone can help reddvilzz problem?
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I can even change my io sched with voltage control to the init.d for optimal startup.
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Use system Tuner. It works.
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Most ROMs support init.d
iwasblown said:
I can even change my io sched with voltage control to the init.d for optimal startup.
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To be sure look for /etc/init.d if that is there you have init.d sub-system.
I am using the CM7 KANG Juggernaut V. 5 and can say it has had init.d since inception.
I have had issues with system tuner and writing the script to the folder, but it seems to be an app issue as I have to choose the init.d option a second time and don't get the action failed toast [had me wondering the first time too] Not sure if maybe there is not enough delay to establish SU as it is running its commands or something else [total shot in the dark I have not seen any source for this app.
For most of the tweaks [sdcard included it is best to choose on boot complete in case you have a competing init.d script installed by the ROM you are using [juggernaut sets SDCard values this way and may be why you think you don't have init.d]. Either use a file manager/text viewer to view the scripts and remove any that have sd card tweaks and then re-choose the init.d option in system tuner to have it re-create its script or choose on boot completion.
Also, you may want to review fauxclock [found on XDA boards and not android market 'Play market [same thing]] just use forum search. That is the app I have had better reactions to adjustments to both speeds and voltage [open FauxClock and swipe from right to left to see voltage adjustment screen it is there]. I personally find my phone fully functions at -75mv [global] without any restarts. Take it slow though try 12.5 wait 10 - 20 min for any restarts boot loops as you casually [or not] use the phone and then increment each 12.5mv step while waiting the 10 - 20 min during some usage [otherwise phone may remain idle and you wont see any restarts until you start to tax the CPU and/or GPU and when you may be doing that might be a time you don't want to have a restart ;-) ]
That is to not say System Tuner is not awesome I do also have the pro version of that for the enable all CPUS [on boot complete] and the SDCard Tweaks [again on boot completion]. Combined with Chainfire 3D [again pro and beta egl driver installed there is a free version as well] and the Supercharger V6 memory usage and OOM tweaking script [search XDA forums] my phone screams!
I have double stock battery life [without any data service tweaks like juice defender [cant have data going in and out need it on always], my screen does not have any of the scrolling stutter I sometimes saw when using stock ROM and I am playing GTA3 anniversary and Deadspace at full graphics quality with absolutely no lag and perfect graphics!!
Also, let me stress these tip and tricks are what I HAVE USED ON MY PERSONAL PHONE I CAN NOT GUARANTEE THAT YOUR PHONE WILL WORK EXACTLY THE SAME OR BE 100% ERROR FREE IF YOU COPY MY SETTINGS as WHEN YOU OVERCLOCK EACH INDIVIDUAL DEVICES CAN REACT IN ITS OWN WAY. ALWAYS RUN FULL NANDROID SYSTEM BACKUPS WHENEVER YOU DO ANY CHANGES AND TAKE TWEAKING IN STEPS DON'T JUST GO TO ONE EXTREME OR ANOTHER AND THEN WONDER WHY YOU HAVE ISSUES. TAKE YOUR TIME AND TEST EVERYTHING.
Well, fauxclock will not adjust my CPU speeds at all it is stock at 1350 max and 392 min, whenever I try to move the sliders it bounces right back to the min max. I think this is because of when I first set my CPU speeds with synergy as my kernel. Writing to synergy's init.d was problem less, but after installing faux .10 or darkside rc2 the init.d was totally unstoppable by any program.
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Eugene also mentioned that I'd you are changing the io scheduler to do a hot reboot to prevent lag, which I'd pretty much what my whole concept of writing the CPU gov and io sched to the init.d to prevent an unsettling situation for the io. Oh yeah does anyone have any suggestions to what I should set the cache size to my sd tweaks? Thanx. if anyone knows where to find the sd scripts or the CPU scripts and how to prevent it from applying its own settings and applying the setting from the third party apps like fauxclock, system tuner pro, and xan's voltage control. Also if anyone is having success with another busy box than the ones that are coming with the roms please post the busy box version. I'm beastly at egger end of my wits with the init.d.
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Well I listen to what you said and made three etc/init.d folder permissions writable through root explorer after changing the folder to read/write with the button at the top of the screen. now three only problem I have is the io scheduler, fir some reason the phone is intercepting my attempts to make a script startup change. I impure voltage control had made a error toast sung mkdir read only -p failed, which I have no I idea what that mean or where its located, anybody have any training when it comes to this?
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Did you use the 1000HP script with v6 supercharger, and which oom tweak did you use?
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Which busy box are you using?
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If I see my CPU sometimes rising to 1828 max even though the app says 1350 max should I try to use a different app in replacement to the current one and since you should only use one app.
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am I asking bad questions?
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There are many different ways to tweak a android phone in XDA, here I want to share about what I did to my Gio
1) Rom: CM7 by ItachiSama 20121225 Nightly + U235 Kernel by farzad.u235
2) CM7 Performance setting: Disabled Compcache, surface dithering, Use 16bit transparency
3) CPU setting: 245Mhz - 844Mhz + SmartAssV2
4) Script: V6Supercharger U9RC8.2 & 3G TurboCharger, CronMod-INT2EXT+ for 500MB sd-ext
5) Swap: 64MB swap file in sd-ext
6) Scheduled Fast Engine Flush every 3 hour by Script Manager
7) App Quarantine for Apps that hardly use but keep start itself in the background
I think that's all, any other suggestion?
Usually when i use cm7 i only use these settings
CM7 Performance setting: Disabled Compcache, surface dithering
CPU setting: 245Mhz - 800Mhz + LagFree
And the rom is smooth enough for me
With cm7:
Ondemand + noop
245 min / 864 max mhz
Adrenaline engine (or tweakzv6 + default.prop from adrenaline engine) + cronmod int2ext4+
Init.d: 98netforks_tweak + loopy smoothness + 14enable_touchscreen_1 script
Pimpmyrom apk with only ondemand governor tweaks enabled + entropy set on boot.
And with cm9 I only use supercharger with patched services.jar and with latest cm10.1 no tweaks because lots of problems with patched services.jar and supercharger script and other scripts like mmb or adrenaline engine works only for 50%.
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Thanks for reply~
I suspect that the scheduler in Script Manager drain the battery pretty fast, so I disabled it,
Also I find this link to force GPU to render: http://madteam.co/forum/tutorials/%28tut%29big-performance-increase-on-cm79/15/?PHPSESSID=fnattahs63jq78lie5nd7f6ee3
I tried PimpMyRom before but I think basically it is like a script generator
zivgt2 said:
There are many different ways to tweak a android phone in XDA, here I want to share about what I did to my Gio
1) Rom: CM7 by ItachiSama 20121225 Nightly + U235 Kernel by farzad.u235
2) CM7 Performance setting: Disabled Compcache, surface dithering, Use 16bit transparency
3) CPU setting: 245Mhz - 844Mhz + SmartAssV2
4) Script: V6Supercharger U9RC8.2 & 3G TurboCharger, CronMod-INT2EXT+ for 500MB sd-ext
5) Swap: 64MB swap file in sd-ext
6) Scheduled Fast Engine Flush every 3 hour by Script Manager
7) App Quarantine for Apps that hardly use but keep start itself in the background
I think that's all, any other suggestion?
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Can we get a link on how to for every relevant method.Things like
Swap,scheduling,quarantaine...
Are i think not that common.If there are scrips procedures... The thread will gain a lot of attention
Enthusiastic Gio User
Very glad with the work done
But sometimes a pusher for results( nothing bad intended)
i use tyuxmod + wolf script and myphone is so smooth
dreuzel said:
Can we get a link on how to for every relevant method.Things like
Swap,scheduling,quarantaine...
Are i think not that common.If there are scrips procedures... The thread will gain a lot of attention
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For swap, you can install a app called Swapper for Root,
then use it to create a swap file in sd-ext, then use terminal:
su
swapon /sd-ext/swap.swp
And App Quarantine is just a app.
After trying a whole bunch of tweaks on a whole bunch of roms , i got to the conclusion that it`s not worth it on the long run to use them , my personal opinion only. If the rom has a CPU manager i usually just set the min to 245 and maybe maybe i switch to smartassv2 and that`s all. If the rom doesn`t have that included i just leave it like that , like AOSP roms for example , they are great exactly as they are.
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After trying a whole bunch of tweaks on a whole bunch of roms , i got to the conclusion that it`s not worth it on the long run to use them , my personal opinion only. If the rom has a CPU manager i usually just set the min to 245 and maybe maybe i switch to smartassv2 and that`s all. If the rom doesn`t have that included i just leave it like that , like AOSP roms for example , they are great exactly as they are.
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agreed...after 1 year of using gio and after trying several roms/scripts, in cm 7.2 at least all it is needed to be done: governor smartassv2, 245-800 and nothing, NOTHING else...the phone is as smooth as butter..no swap, no scripts, no overclock, no lag (except for when updating/installing something, but this is normal even in full desktop PCs)
Glisse said:
agreed...after 1 year of using gio and after trying several roms/scripts, in cm 7.2 at least all it is needed to be done: governor smartassv2, 245-800 and nothing, NOTHING else...the phone is as smooth as butter..no swap, no scripts, no overclock, no lag (except for when updating/installing something, but this is normal even in full desktop PCs)
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Yes it is just like a PC, and the more Apps you use and the more resources they require, the more power is needed.
I have 336MB Apps on my Gio(only 3 games, less than 40MB), if there isn't any tweaking available I think I am using a better phone months ago.
Even a simple minfree tweak on a stock 2.3.6 rom by Apps like "AutoKiller Memory Optimizer", the difference is pretty noticeable.
And about the smooth as butter thing, I cannot agree with you, if only you are comparing Gio with something like HTC Hero.
Just sharing my opinion
zivgt2 said:
Yes it is just like a PC, and the more Apps you use and the more resources they require, the more power is needed.
I have 336MB Apps on my Gio(only 3 games, less than 40MB), if there isn't any tweaking available I think I am using a better phone months ago.
Even a simple minfree tweak on a stock 2.3.6 rom by Apps like "AutoKiller Memory Optimizer", the difference is pretty noticeable.
And about the smooth as butter thing, I cannot agree with you, if only you are comparing Gio with something like HTC Hero.
Just sharing my opinion
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I am not using gio as my primary phone, i own an htc one s.. ofc, there is a big difference between a single core 800 mhz and a dual core 1.7 ghz.. still, on gio i have no lag, hence i call it smooth as butter.. no, i am not playing games which most likely are NOT smooth, nor am i using on gio cpu/graphic extensive apps like photoshop or whatever.. i am not one of the guys complaining that their 1000 $ 20 years old car is not able to go from 0 to 100 in 3 seconds like a Ferrari.. yes, starting opera from sd-ext is taking much longer than on the htc, but i was talking about the snappiness of the phone during menus, doing stuffs, how fast reacts to inputs, commands and all that, with stock settings and no scripts and "optimizers".. maybe it matters the specific ROM each one uses? i dont know what the minfree values are in my ROM, but i have no issues with memory, no need to have an autokiller (which by the way is absolutely useless unless you disable the services..it autokills programs which start again right away, i am talking about facebook, google`s one, etc) .. but it is good that we disagree, this is how the world evolves
Glisse said:
I am not using gio as my primary phone, i own an htc one s.. ofc, there is a big difference between a single core 800 mhz and a dual core 1.7 ghz.. still, on gio i have no lag, hence i call it smooth as butter.. no, i am not playing games which most likely are NOT smooth, nor am i using on gio cpu/graphic extensive apps like photoshop or whatever.. i am not one of the guys complaining that their 1000 $ 20 years old car is not able to go from 0 to 100 in 3 seconds like a Ferrari.. yes, starting opera from sd-ext is taking much longer than on the htc, but i was talking about the snappiness of the phone during menus, doing stuffs, how fast reacts to inputs, commands and all that, with stock settings and no scripts and "optimizers".. maybe it matters the specific ROM each one uses? i dont know what the minfree values are in my ROM, but i have no issues with memory, no need to have an autokiller (which by the way is absolutely useless unless you disable the services..it autokills programs which start again right away, i am talking about facebook, google`s one, etc) .. but it is good that we disagree, this is how the world evolves
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I admit I am just trying to push it to the limit
It spends hours to trying/wiping/rebooting to squeeze 1%, many would just go buy a new phone.
And some people are still trying to make CM10.1 fully working on Gio
Some people (like me) are still dreaming for a better phone. So yeah have to live with what i have now (galaxy gio)
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I use Jellybread ROM and it's great enough
Do you guys use Compcache?
the best tweaks that you can install is the combination of fly-on mod 1.4(or later)+Fly-On ram manager gamers edition+ full gpu rendering
Well I use cm 7.2 by mmb team + activospeeder 3.5 + geva's megabass = awesome phone
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Cerux Kernel for TW JB 4.1.2 ROMs:
For Samsung Stock = TouchWiz 4.1.2 ROMs
Features:
Updated kernel to 3.0.66 (will continue updating it as build continues)
OC up 1836 Mhz
GPU OC: 2D 160-266, 3D 266-320 MHz
Kernel msm_thermal control
Force min/max frequency changes for both cores when changes are applied to one core, this is useful for those using built-in performance settings or using a cpu app that changes only core0 while keeping core1 intact. (enabled by default)
Modified ondemand governor with touch boost to have a snappier scrolling/typing, and with a second phase which will go first to configured frequency 1242 MHz before reaching max.
Kernel based mpdecision. This will control CPU secondary core (core 1) hot-plugging and unplugging depending on CPU load
Frandom support
Fixed a bug where phone hard reboot after trying to make a call before device is ready.
Added BadAss governor
Added SmartAssV2 governor
Added Wheatley governor
Added Intellidemand governor
Added V/R scheduler
Added SIO scheduler
Added BFQv6 release 1 (read second post)
Added BLN support (you need software/rom support)
Ondemand is the default governor
BFQ is the default scheduler
Other things I might forgot and will add later
List of commits in 3rd post
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Download link: http://goo.im/devs/elbermu/cerux_kernel_tw_v1.02_signed.zip
Recommend using this ROM and if coming from a different kernel wipe.
ROM: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2249770
Go thanks: @Rushing
Please don't report problems without wiping.
If you get on splash screen after a reboot on any rom try this in recovery:
Code:
adb shell
e2fsck -yfDC0 /dev/block/mmcblk0p25
then reboot.
TricksterMod recommended for the tweaks
Few notes:
To other devs:
Lets play fair, if you are going to use any source of this kernel, make a pull request and/or PM me any findings you have.
To user: don't compare this kernel to other ones, I consider it rude. If you like other, you are free to use them.
No ETAs
No Sweep2Wake... I will look into it later
Don't Hi-Jack my thread...
Source: https://github.com/elbermu/cerux_kernel-touchwiz
Enjoy the kernel.
Since version v1.02 BFQv6r1 has been added and set as default scheduler. Advantages of BFQ:
Low latency for interactive applications - Whatever the background load is, the disk is virtually as responsive as if it was idle. Normally applications experience high latencies or become unresponsive until the workload terminates (especially SSDs)
Low latency for soft real-time applications - soft real-time applications, such as audio and video players or audio and video-streaming applications. These applications do not suffer from almost any glitch due to the background workload.
See a demo here: http://youtu.be/J-e7LnJblm8
Reading and others features of BFQ here: http://algo.ing.unimo.it/people/paolo/disk_sched/description.php
Change log for v1.02: https://github.com/elbermu/cerux_kernel-touchwiz/compare/a337aa0...HEAD
Holy sh*t. INSTALLING NAOH AJSVZIANAHSH16283638
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Thanks... So funny.. I just switched back from embryo to update my carbon nanandroid... gon back to embryo to try... Thanks again
OMG ....GRACIAS ELBERMU...
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Thanks cerux for tw
Phone freeze when trying to pickup
Call then reboot by itself.
Im using badass gov, default freq, and sio.
I have to hard reset to get passed the boot screen.
The kernel back to the default setting (Ondemand gov)
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Love this kernel want to ask does it have fast charge and would love if it come with sweep to wake one day
winga45 said:
Love this kernel want to ask does it have fast charge and would love if it come with sweep to wake one day
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Yes:
https://github.com/elbermu/cerux_kernel-touchwiz/commit/93c2ee845ce21a04de771867cfff52f1986f7f41
Use trickstermod to enable it...
Edit:S2W will come... and maybe screen sweep, not just the keypad
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Yes:
https://github.com/elbermu/cerux_kernel-touchwiz/commit/93c2ee845ce21a04de771867cfff52f1986f7f41
Use trickstermod to enable it...
Edit:S2W will come... and maybe screen sweep, just not the keypad
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Thanks elbermu u rock
usb storage
when connected to computer it doesnt show up but when i flash a diffrent kernel it shows up need to fix usb storage
winga45 said:
when connected to computer it doesnt show up but when i flash a diffrent kernel it shows up need to fix usb storage
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Probably you have fast charge enabled... It works excelent for me.
Check with:
cat /sys/kernel/fast_charge/force_fast_charge
elbermu said:
Probably you have fast charge enabled... It works excelent for me.
Check with:
cat /sys/kernel/fast_charge/force_fast_charge
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Thanks elbermu but what should I do with that sys/kernel/fast_charge/force_fast_charge should I delete it or no
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Thanks elbermu but what should I do with that sys/kernel/fast_charge/force_fast_charge should I delete it or no
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Don't delete it. Just change it to "no".
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android88 said:
Don't delete it. Just change it to "no".
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Thanks android88 but it says 0 should I change it or leave it
winga45 said:
Thanks android88 but it says 0 should I change it or leave it
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0 means it is disabled. Are you testing in windows? I always use Linux, windows just in the office but I will try with it.
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elbermu said:
0 means it is disabled. Are you testing in windows? I always use Linux, windows just in the office but I will try with it.
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I use windows
winga45 said:
I use windows
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Ok, I am out but I will check later when I get home...
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reserved
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Did u got my pm message elbermu
Hey guys.
I have some questions for you.
1. Whats the best rom for xperia play at android 4.x?
For now i am using gimbean 2.3.0 + projectlard v6 scripts. |
Is there a 4.x room with good performance and stability?
I just want play ps1 games (epsxe emulator) , pokemons at GBA emulator (myboy free) and some android games like Trialx2,angry birds,mega jump etc. Good will be when launcher will dont lagging
2. Whats the best android music player for .flac's?
3. Whats the best utility box? I mean for clean cache,kill task etc
4. Whats the best audio drivers for xperia play + superlux HD668b? + can you make a good equalizer settings from me? for a clear bass and good treble's
5. Whats the best performance controller for high overclocking? Now i am using 249-1613ghz with "performance" and i/o sio . Is this good? + whats the max temp for battery?
Sorry for my bad english,im kinda newbie.
There is no best rom. You must test them an choose what's the best for you. And if you want to play it's the best to stay on gb. And 4.x isn't only ics.
I think this questions are not allowed
Also clocking to 1.6 and performance will lock your processor at 1.6 GHz or the max clock speed which will eventually fry your CPU which will mean bye bye xperia
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Best rom is stock gingerbread.
fliperpl said:
Hey guys.
I have some questions for you.
1. Whats the best rom for xperia play at android 4.x?
For now i am using gimbean 2.3.0 + projectlard v6 scripts. |
Is there a 4.x room with good performance and stability?
I just want play ps1 games (epsxe emulator) , pokemons at GBA emulator (myboy free) and some android games like Trialx2,angry birds,mega jump etc. Good will be when launcher will dont lagging
2. Whats the best android music player for .flac's?
3. Whats the best utility box? I mean for clean cache,kill task etc
4. Whats the best audio drivers for xperia play + superlux HD668b? + can you make a good equalizer settings from me? for a clear bass and good treble's
5. Whats the best performance controller for high overclocking? Now i am using 249-1613ghz with "performance" and i/o sio . Is this good? + whats the max temp for battery?
Sorry for my bad english,im kinda newbie.
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Their is no "BEST ROM" and i know how annoyed you are right now,C:, cus EVERY1 Says that, but here you go:
1.) XPlayStation
2.) N7Player
3.) ES Task Manager
4.) AC!D Audio Engine
5.) 249 - Min | U
1209 - Max | Need
IntellDemand2 - Govenor | Lupus
ROW - I/O | 4 This
Pizza_Dox said:
Their is no "BEST ROM" and i know how annoyed you are right now,C:, cus EVERY1 Says that, but here you go:
1.) XPlayStation
2.) N7Player
3.) ES Task Manager
4.) AC!D Audio Engine
5.) 249 - Min | U
1209 - Max | Need
IntellDemand2 - Govenor | Lupus
ROW - I/O | 4 This
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1. I using this rom for now. Seems good and works perfectly with project lard v6. 250mb free ram looks good
2. Thanks! Will try
3. What about "all-in-one" tool box? I am using this and look good for me.
4. Thanks,will try too!
5. What if i dont have the intelldemand2 and ROW? I have this lupus kernel.
fliperpl said:
1. I using this rom for now. Seems good and works perfectly with project lard v6. 250mb free ram looks good
2. Thanks! Will try
3. What about "all-in-one" tool box? I am using this and look good for me.
4. Thanks,will try too!
5. What if i dont have the intelldemand2 and ROW? I have this lupus kernel.
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Then u should use Ondemand Tweaked (comes by deafualt with Project Lard), and set govenor to Ondemand and I/O Scheduler to SIO, C:
Pizza_Dox said:
Then u should use Ondemand Tweaked (comes by deafualt with Project Lard), and set govenor to Ondemand and I/O Scheduler to SIO, C:
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So its a good options for a good performance? I mean not laggy music player and quite good fps.
fliperpl said:
So its a good options for a good performance? I mean not laggy music player and quite good fps.
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Yes, I tweaked the govenor to Scale more frequently and make it stay at higher freqencys a bit more, So in English its Better at Saving Battery when phone isnt in use and Better in Performance when Using It for Things!
Pizza_Dox said:
Yes, I tweaked the govenor to Scale more frequently and make it stay at higher freqencys a bit more, So in English its Better at Saving Battery when phone isnt in use and Better in Performance when Using It for Things!
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Okey.
so,this rom is stable with good performance,OC options works good and those aplication are very usefull. Thanks for helping mate!
fliperpl said:
Okey.
so,this rom is stable with good performance,OC options works good and those aplication are very usefull. Thanks for helping mate!
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Welcome,C:
The Chinese forums got topics on GPU locking and supposedly helping in better game performance.
[ Practical Guide ] the cpu and GPU locked! Daily fluid and energy saving
The cpu and GPU locked in a certain frequency power can be achieved not so serious and be fluent game approach.
The first machine to ROOT then RE Manager to set inside the file!
1 Open the SYS-Devices-system-CPU-cpu0-cpufreq-cpuinfo_block_freq , use a text editor to open, modify the value of 600,000 or 800,000 or 700,000 can which is locked cpu frequency, save and exit after completion of editing,
2 Locate scaling_cpu_lock_nun , a method using phase inside the 0 changed to 4 . It is locked cpu cores. Save and exit editing can! In power management policy settings in a super-power standby.
GPU in accordance with slim post to unlock ! But I set 480000 360000.
Heat is also not so great to play the game is very smooth! Power consumption is not serious enough for everyday use heat is also better!
I charge 100% after setting the screen brightness is not open to the minimum WIFI playing whitewater boats two effects 30 minutes of high power consumption 23% is power! But look at the beep beep miles 720 miles to see 24 minutes of animation power at about 7%! Several times hovering at about 7%.
After rebooting modify things will revert to re-edit
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Source: http://bbs.anzhi.com/thread-8094619-1-2.html
[ Practical Guide ] [share] Xiaoya P6 Unlock CPU / GPU new program, just run the script every boot to unlock
Note: The program closed due Huawei init.d folder automatically lead to unbootable, you must pass the manual method!
I do not engage in Andrews, Andrews I brother is out, I get bored girl to fart. Principle:
Since Android is a Linux-based bottom, I put on a program with the centos pull over with a ~
after script execution: Get SU permissions → Read stored in data files in the partition → Replace the file from the kernel to mount the The CPU / GPU frequency profile
Operation process:
STEP1: ROOT your fart girl a
STEP2: Install terminal emulator and RE File Manager
STEP3: RE Manager ROOT permissions to enter / data, create two folders (folder named GPU0 and GPU1)
STEP4: The following two files are copied into GPU0, indispensable!
Click to download the first file
click to download the second file
STEP5: The following two files are copied into the GPU1, indispensable!
Click to download the first file
click to download the second file
STEP6: The following two files are copied to the data folder
Click to download the first file
click to download the second file
When you need to unlock, please click on the RE Manager UNLOCK.SH, then perform; when you need to re-lock, restart your phone or click LOCK.SH, and then executed. Note: Current CPU locked in 450000, GPU locked in 480000 as Xiangnong lows (you can get low power), you can modify / data/GPU1 the two files
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Source: http://bbs.anzhi.com/thread-8221379-1-2.html
warea said:
The Chinese forums got topics on GPU locking and supposedly helping in better game performance.
[ Practical Guide ] the cpu and GPU locked! Daily fluid and energy saving
Source: http://bbs.anzhi.com/thread-8094619-1-2.html
[ Practical Guide ] [share] Xiaoya P6 Unlock CPU / GPU new program, just run the script every boot to unlock
Source: http://bbs.anzhi.com/thread-8221379-1-2.html
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Can i overclock cpu / gpu to get better gaming perfomance?
BluntP6 said:
Can i overclock cpu / gpu to get better gaming perfomance?
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That's what the linked topics say but i am no expert in this.
warea said:
That's what the linked topics say but i am no expert in this.
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The translate is not best possible... I tried to change cpu_max_frequency (or something like this) from 150000 to more, but it will restore to 150000 right after i change the value. I also changed scaling_cpu_num to 4, but it just reduced my phone perfomance.
warea said:
The Chinese forums got topics on GPU locking and supposedly helping in better game performance.
[ Practical Guide ] the cpu and GPU locked! Daily fluid and energy saving
Source: http://bbs.anzhi.com/thread-8094619-1-2.html
[ Practical Guide ] [share] Xiaoya P6 Unlock CPU / GPU new program, just run the script every boot to unlock
Source: http://bbs.anzhi.com/thread-8221379-1-2.html
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The source links are broken, please reposte them, because we (4pda users) think that you missed something or it is the translator fault?
ryjii said:
The source links are broken, please reposte them, because we (4pda users) think that you missed something or it is the translator fault?
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I used google translator. To access the Anzhi website, see here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2522601
Oh i get it. i missed some download links when google translated. I added them now.
warea said:
Oh i get it. i missed some download links when google translated. I added them now.
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Did you try this method?
Nekrid said:
Did you try this method?
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Nope. I frankly have no clue of all this.
In SYS-Devices-system-CPU-cpu0-cpufreq-cpuinfo_block_freq I have "zero", so I really shoulf change it to 600000?
Also I can't understand the phrase "Replace the file from the kernel to mount the The CPU / GPU frequency profile" from second method.
Not working at all!
For best performance in games. Go to root directory-sys-devices-system-cpu-cpu0-cpufreq/
1.Open file scaling_cpu_lock_num. Change value from 0 to 4. Save.
2. Open file scaling_ddr_block_freq. Change values from 0 to 450000. Save.
3. Open file scaling_gpu_block_freq. Change values from 0 to 480000. Save.
4. In power management set the power mode to normal.
5. Go to settings-application management. Open settings for your desired ( setting were you can chose to move application to sd card ) apk and select the performance mode.
This should help running games smooth. I tried it on nfs most wanted. The difference between stock B119 performance and this mod is huge. But I somehow think that this also has a big hit on battery life. Havent tested yet.
Hope this helps.
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I don't know why, but this helps me to make NFS work better than stock settings:
1. Root
2. Install "No-frills CPU"
3. Set max CPU freq to 1Ghz /not 1.5Ghz/
4. Set governor to K3hotplug
ps - battery drain is lower when Governor is set to "Ondemand", but there is a little lag, which is not a problem when use the phone only for calls.
toxicfly said:
For best performance in games. Go to root directory-sys-devices-system-cpu-cpu0-cpufreq/
1.Open file scaling_cpu_lock_num. Change value from 0 to 4. Save.
2. Open file scaling_ddr_block_freq. Change values from 0 to 450000. Save.
3. Open file scaling_ddr_block_freq. Change values from 0 to 480000. Save.
4. In power management set the power mode to normal.
5. Go to settings-application management. Open settings for your desired ( setting were you can chose to move application to sd card ) apk and select the performance mode.
This should help running games smooth. I tried it on nfs most wanted. The difference between stock B119 performance and this mod is huge. But I somehow think that this also has a big hit on battery life. Havent tested yet.
Hope this helps.
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Pls edit no. 3. 480000 not ddr. This is gpu freq!
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toxicfly said:
For best performance in games. Go to root directory-sys-devices-system-cpu-cpu0-cpufreq/
1.Open file scaling_cpu_lock_num. Change value from 0 to 4. Save.
2. Open file scaling_ddr_block_freq. Change values from 0 to 450000. Save.
3. Open file scaling_gpu_block_freq. Change values from 0 to 480000. Save.
4. In power management set the power mode to normal.
5. Go to settings-application management. Open settings for your desired ( setting were you can chose to move application to sd card ) apk and select the performance mode.
This should help running games smooth. I tried it on nfs most wanted. The difference between stock B119 performance and this mod is huge. But I somehow think that this also has a big hit on battery life. Havent tested yet.
Hope this helps.
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Did not help with Antutu Score. Got only 14000 when using this. In fact Antutu cannot be ran in perfomance mode or it crashes, but score is still low.
BluntP6 said:
Did not help with Antutu Score. Got only 14000 when using this. In fact Antutu cannot be ran in perfomance mode or it crashes, but score is still low.
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This setting not add more points to antutu! But the games running really smoothly.
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toxicfly said:
For best performance in games. Go to root directory-sys-devices-system-cpu-cpu0-cpufreq/
1.Open file scaling_cpu_lock_num. Change value from 0 to 4. Save.
2. Open file scaling_ddr_block_freq. Change values from 0 to 450000. Save.
3. Open file scaling_gpu_block_freq. Change values from 0 to 480000. Save.
4. In power management set the power mode to normal.
5. Go to settings-application management. Open settings for your desired ( setting were you can chose to move application to sd card ) apk and select the performance mode.
This should help running games smooth. I tried it on nfs most wanted. The difference between stock B119 performance and this mod is huge. But I somehow think that this also has a big hit on battery life. Havent tested yet.
Hope this helps.
Sent from my HUAWEI P6-U06 using xda app-developers app
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Game runs very smooth ! But phone temp. goes to 42.0C … is it normal ? Battery drain when gaming is increased but game runs smooth. My battery goes down 8% in 10mins while playing asphalt 8 on high graphics..
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amonev said:
I don't know why, but this helps me to make NFS work better than stock settings:
1. Root
2. Install "No-frills CPU"
3. Set max CPU freq to 1Ghz /not 1.5Ghz/
4. Set governor to K3hotplug
ps - battery drain is lower when Governor is set to "Ondemand", but there is a little lag, which is not a problem when use the phone only for calls.
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Doesn't work. I used FPS meter and in games it gives same result every time (with or without this setting). I think that it's visual effect of smoothing because the proccessor becomes hot slowly and lags appear later than usual.
hannanzikrea said:
Game runs very smooth ! But phone temp. goes to 42.0C … is it normal ? Battery drain when gaming is increased but game runs smooth. My battery goes down 8% in 10mins while playing asphalt 8 on high graphics..
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Only in gaming? Some people said that battery continues to decrease quickly.
Nekrid said:
Doesn't work. I used FPS meter and in games it gives same result every time (with or without this setting). I think that it's visual effect of smoothing because the proccessor becomes hot slowly and lags appear later than usual.
Only in gaming? Some people said that battery continues to decrease quickly.
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When phone is in standby or in very light use it will not decrease quickly, but when you use heavy 3d launcher and watch videos / play games in example, it does. VERY quickly!
BluntP6 said:
When phone is in standby or in very light use it will not decrease quickly, but when you use heavy 3d launcher and watch videos / play games in example, it does. VERY quickly!
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So we really need to use these switchers from first messages.. That's a bit sad.