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Is the Lumia 900 able to upgrade to the Windows Phone 8 OS?

Chances are this info isn't on the first few pages of a search site, besides speculation. But I was hoping a developer or other person in position to, could clarify with potential buyers.
I know it is only logical that it should be able to upgrade but there is a bit of doubt spreading on the web. Logical meaning ~5-8 months till WP8.
If someone finds out please let us know here. I really want a Lumia 900, but I'm not able to purchase one without knowing if OS upgrades will continue for it.

I would love to know that answer as well. They have not said anything specific to my knowledge, but it would be asinine to think they wouldn't make the upgrade available. I would liken WP platform more to Apple's, where devices will be updated in a timely fashion and for a longer period of time.

Seed 2.0 said:
Chances are this info isn't on the first few pages of a search site, besides speculation. But I was hoping a developer or other person in position to, could clarify with potential buyers.
I know it is only logical that it should be able to upgrade but there is a bit of doubt spreading on the web. Logical meaning ~5-8 months till WP8.
If someone finds out please let us know here. I really want a Lumia 900, but I'm not able to purchase one without knowing if OS upgrades will continue for it.
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You know, this info is not out yet, and I doubt it will be soon. If you've seen the leaked Apollo specs, you know windows phone is in for a major upgrade hardware wise. No one will admit that because it would kill any momentum wp has right now. That momentum is needed.
Nokia has made a huge investment in wp. Microsoft is said to be paying 1/2 to 1 billion dollars every quarter to nokia, to make the happen. Their low to mid range devices are nice and being well accepted.. I have a lumia 710, and a Samsung focus s. Both are very nice. They have successfully weaned me from android.
But, the heavy hitter from nokia is due later this month. The 900 is the flagship. I had the pure joy of touching one last week. It was phenomenal. I can't wait.
The flagship device, logically, should see Apollo. Though you may see an Apollo version similar to the mango/tango relationship. I would wager that an upgrade will happen.
Of course, a grain of salt with everything. We should know more by July or so.

Further discussions here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1533604

Windows Phone 7.8!

Having bought the htc hd7 Im very happy that MS has atleast thought of offering something to us first generation guys! I have been wanting to upgrade, but I did figured that windows phone 8 would need new hardware to run it so waiting has been very good. I do feel kind of bad for the Nokia Lumina owners though. The Nokia 900 is an awesome phone, but upgrading into that phone you still had that 50-50 chance. Maybe Nokia can offer a trade-in upgrade program for those people. The 1st and 1.5 gen window phones has some good life in them. Its going to take some time for the win8 phones to evolve and good the good games and such. And Im so happy that MS decided to have an accessible sd slot.

I can't say I am happy we won't get WP8 ...
But I think WP7.8 can be a good compromise.
I need the complete list of the 7.8 upgrade features before make a final judgement.
All I can say is that the GUI change won't be enough to make me happy :/

You'd definitely get the revamped UI.
But, you'd be let down on the future apps section(as they'd be coded in native code). I'd recommend you to sell it, and buy the WP8 devices once it arrives.

Dissapointed in this. But understandable. Why develop a new is which runs on current tech when its not going to be available for a short while. Build it in for the latest tech and look forward.
Still doesn't help my titan, so can only hope this 7.8 update is worth while.
Will we still get this 'smartglass' its a feature im keen to usltilise and im also looking to get a surface once available so would like to be assured of compatibility

Well I am disappointed. I am a student and paid 350€ for a Lumia 800 back in December. So I guess I wont receive the majority of new apps at the end of the year. I planned to keep this device for around 3 years. But now I guess that most of the new apps will be coded for WP8. Another thing is, that the current generation of WPs will drop in price now that it is official that we wont get an update. I'm really frustrated... But I hope that MS and Nokia keep the updates coming.

dragonide said:
I need the complete list of the 7.8 upgrade features before make a final judgement.
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Agreed. We know very little at this stage. Plus I got my Lumia 900 months ago for free. By the time there is a Windows Phone 8 handset that is comparable that is selling for the same price I will be halfway through my contract. I don't mind waiting around for <yr before my next upgrade.
MSFT just needs to come out with a good OS and user experience. It is pointless to shoe horn Windows Phone 8 onto hardware that can't run it. I like the Lumia 900 because of lack of lag. I don't want the experience to be marred.

babu.rajiv2007 said:
You'd definitely get the revamped UI.
But, you'd be let down on the future apps section(as they'd be coded in native code). I'd recommend you to sell it, and buy the WP8 devices once it arrives.
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What we will use instead for the next 6 months if we sell it?

v_garg said:
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What we will use instead for the next 6 months if we sell it?
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A Treo Pro one of my most favorite phones by the way.

So many duplicate threads!
Sorry guys, please continue this discussion in one of the others.
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Lumia owner cheated and angry.

Of the lumia 900 owners, how many of you feel cheated and angry over how Microsoft is handling WP8.
1. Yes
2. No

A little cheated. Glad MS tried with 7.8 but I'm just worried about how that will fare down the line with 22 months left on my contract. Don't think I'll be waiting to find out.

pgsxdjp said:
A little cheated. Glad MS tried with 7.8 but I'm just worried about how that will fare down the line with 22 months left on my contract. Don't think I'll be waiting to find out.
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I believe it's a very good point for the class action against MS and AT&T. Just keep googling for that and be ready to join

Won my lumia 900, and I planed to get an updated wp8 device anyway, so, to answer your question, no I don't feel cheated. I might be angry at myself anyway for buying one knowing dual core was coming in a few months (if I had signed a contract)

Considering all the features coming for WP8 and 7.8 haven't been announced yet, I don't feel cheated at all. I imagine more is coming in 7.8 than they stated today. Joe Belfiore was very specific that they have MANY great things to talk about with consumer features, but that wasn't the point of the conference today.

I'll feel pretty cheated if the only features WP7.8 gets is the new start screen...

pgsxdjp said:
A little cheated. Glad MS tried with 7.8 but I'm just worried about how that will fare down the line with 22 months left on my contract. Don't think I'll be waiting to find out.
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Im going to sell.

The technoweenie in me wants to buy a WP8 when it comes out, but the realistic human in me feels cheated...
I just bought the Lumia 900, and to hear that a new version of the OS is coming out soon and that the product I just bought will be un-supported and development ceased (for the most part) pisses me off...
I'm pissed off enough that I'm still waiting for a purple screen fix, and now this?

If I were a Lumia owner I'd definitely feel cheated.
Looks like the Lumia 900 is going to be the Galaxy S+ of the Windows world.
Thrown to the market and 2 months afterwards you got outdated software because the manufacturer never planned to provide updates.
Not receiving updates seems to get normal in the mobile industry in some way.
This would be the point to switch to Android for me, but I'm not a big WP7 fan I have to admit.
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land.apfel said:
If I were a Lumia owner I'd definitely feel cheated.
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Why? We don't even know the Windows Phone 7.8 features?
land.apfel said:
Thrown to the market and 2 months afterwards you got outdated software because the manufacturer never planned to provide updates.
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We've received two manufacturer updates already. And there have been at least two announced future updates... Tango and Windows Phone 7.8.
dtboos said:
Considering all the features coming for WP8 and 7.8 haven't been announced yet, I don't feel cheated at all.
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This is an interesting concept. So you think we should actually wait and see what updated features we will be getting before criticizing them? Great idea!
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Of the lumia 900 owners, how many of you feel cheated and angry over how Microsoft is handling WP8.
1. Yes
2. No
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Once all Windows Phone 8 and 7.8 are out why don't you ask this question and add a poll to your thread? Make it a good poll with at least one option that says I'm satisfied.

There is still a chance that Nokia will provide WP8 on the Lumia 800/900 isn't there? I wouldn't jump to any conclusions just yet.
Before anyone starts ranting about the announcement, Nokia is not Microsoft. Stop, think. Avoid replying anyway.

at45 said:
There is still a chance that Nokia will provide WP8 on the Lumia 800/900 isn't there? I wouldn't jump to any conclusions just yet.
Before anyone starts ranting about the announcement, Nokia is not Microsoft. Stop, think. Avoid replying anyway.
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I don't know about the Hardware requirements. I haven't watched the keynote, but I don't think they've given a NFC requirement for all phones. Interesting thought. I guess it could happen. I don't think it will, although it would be nice, of course. Then again, maybe WP7.8 will be better than thought. Who knows?

I don't understand what it is people think they will be missing. WP8 brings support for dual core, high def screens, and NFC hardware. Does your phone have any of that? No. So you wouldn't be able to enjoy those features anyway even if WP8 did run on your phone.
Ok so we may not get the true multi tasking and Skype running in the background - we don't actually know yet - but did you buy your phone only on the basis that you would definitely get that one day? Is your phone suddenly going to stop working the day WP8 comes out? Are app developers all suddenly going to abandon the installed base of users for a new OS that doesn't have one yet?

When I got my Lumia two weeks ago, I knew that there was Skype coming with "serious" integration and VoIP API for others. I also knew that Microsoft bought Skype so I was expecting it.
At least that the Lumia 800 was for free.

OndraSter said:
When I got my Lumia two weeks ago, I knew that there was Skype coming with "serious" integration and VoIP API for others. I also knew that Microsoft bought Skype so I was expecting it.
At least that the Lumia 800 was for free.
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Its always been said that skype couldnt work on WP7 due to the way the OS operates and while its not great im still happy they released some sort of app rather then not bother at all

sensboston said:
I believe it's a very good point for the class action against MS and AT&T. Just keep googling for that and be ready to join
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You can't be serious?!

Zero. Give thanks that you get 7.8. Try to image Android users still stuck on Froyo or Gingerbread. Or 3GS or iPhone 4 users moving to iOS6.
Get over it and move to the future. 8 looks to be a fantastic competitor to iOS and Android.

bmstrong said:
Zero. Give thanks that you get 7.8. Try to image Android users still stuck on Froyo or Gingerbread. Or 3GS or iPhone 4 users moving to iOS6.
Get over it and move to the future. 8 looks to be a fantastic competitor to iOS and Android.
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This is different. The Lumia is a flagship that just came out. I'm amazed at how some of you are okay with this.
"Get over it and move to the future."?
Wtf man, what about all the people who got this on contract? You expect them to just "move to the future" and buy a new device off contract this early on?
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LOL... I think Nokia gonna do something to help out the customer who did bought the Lumia product recently... I got what you mean...
Da, it sucks to register for a device for 2 years and then stuck with it (that is why i never sign the damn contract). But i believe Windows Phone 7.8 is actually Windows Phone 8 BUT without all the functions that require the physical hardware to handle.
Time will tell. Personally, i don't feel any lost, i changed phone almost every holiday season of the year. 2010 = First Windows Phone (HD7), 2011 = Mango Windows Phone (Eternity) , 2012 = Windows Phone 8. I am curious about what HTC has to offer for us.

redwhiteandblue said:
I don't understand what it is people think they will be missing. WP8 brings support for dual core, high def screens, and NFC hardware. Does your phone have any of that? No. So you wouldn't be able to enjoy those features anyway even if WP8 did run on your phone.
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I think you may have just described Microsoft's reason for not updating existing phones i.e. not because they are too old or too slow but because they won't benefit enough from the new features to justify the investment.
"Microsoft’s Greg Sullivan revealed the reasons behind the company’s choice not to offer a direct upgrade from Windows Phone 7.x to Windows Phone 8.
Describing some of the latest hardware changes in Windows Phone 8, that we outline here, Sullivan explained that "the nature of the investment [in Windows Phone 8] is primarily in areas that are not exploitable by existing hardware." Windows Phone 8 introduces support for multi-core processors, amongst other things, so the "Lumia 900 getting support for using dual-core or NFC doesn't mean a lot," says Sullivan, "because it doesn't have the hardware to take advantage of that." Microsoft decided to focus its efforts on Windows Phone 8 to make it as good as it possibly could. "To do the work to bring all of those elements to a platform that can't exploit them wasn't necessarily the most efficient use of resource," explains Sullivan."
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Damage control suggestions for Microsoft/Nokia in light of all this?

Although I understand why WP8 will not be compatible with existing devices, the bad PR is not exactly helping Microsoft/Nokia. The consolation prize of WP7.8 is not enough to dispel the Osborne Effect that is very likely to occur between now and the time WP8 devices are released.
So let's use this topic to suggest some damage control possibilities based on what's happening NOW, not what Microsoft coulda/shoulda/woulda done (there are plenty of other topics covering the latter).
I think Microsoft/Nokia/carriers should have a trade-in program: trade in a WP7 device for credit off of a new WP8 device. Depending on the trade-in amount, it may or may not stop the bleeding from the Osborne-inflicted wounds, though.
Any other suggestions?

killerb255 said:
I think Microsoft/Nokia/carriers should have a trade-in program: trade in a WP7 device for credit off of a new WP8 device.
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Why? They gave you a Lumia 900 or free. What more do you want?

An expansion of the "Registered Enthusiasts" program that would give us carrier locked stock images of a stripped down WP8 build or a $100 credit from Microsoft upon request.

sitizenx said:
Why? They gave you a Lumia 900 or free. What more do you want?
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Aside from the word "you" in the second sentence, good point. Many people got the Lumia 900 for free with contract, so it's not like they're being totally shafted.
Other suggestions or rebuttals? Keep in mind that the PR is still bad, and people are not exactly thinking "well, I got a free phone, I should be grateful." They're thinking "OMG, M$ jus skrewd mez!"

Look at the big picture.
The market share wasn't going to get any bigger in the next 3 to 5 months, especially with no new flash ship devices on the horizon.
With Windows 8 and this kernel, there will be a surge of developers. Tons of amazing apps, the market share will explode.
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I think they should stop talking to us as if we're retarded. Just that. Come clean and say "we're not updating you to WP8 because we don't want to". Enough with the "kernel re-write" stuff, it doesn't make sense. It's like saying you can't run Windows 8 on a Windows XP PC with enough power to run it because it has a different kernel.

I think trade in is the way forward. Based on IMEI they would know what phones were sold free, subsidized or full price. Pay the trade in value accordingly.
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I am thinking along the lines of put as many goodies in the WP7.8 build and that way the consumers get a taste of the new OS and then go out and buy a new WP8, Not far from what's already in the pipeline I know but just exactly the way I would now treat this situation, Not everyone will be happy, But then again when is everyone ever happy

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I think they should stop talking to us as if we're retarded. Just that. Come clean and say "we're not updating you to WP8 because we don't want to". Enough with the "kernel re-write" stuff, it doesn't make sense. It's like saying you can't run Windows 8 on a Windows XP PC with enough power to run it because it has a different kernel.
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A better analogy would be comparing Windows 9x (95/98/Millennium) with NT (2000/XP/Vista/7/8). Those have different kernels, but can run on the same x86 processors.
Either way, your point has merit. Windows RT is being written for ARM architecture...why not Windows Phone 8? One possibility could be that current hardware is just too dang slow, and we could have another early-gen Android-like situation, where single-core Android phones that aren't optimized (i.e.: rooted, Wi-Fi turned off, kill unused background apps, etc) run slow.
If the problem is more of a political/financial one, rather than a technical one, then I'm sure the fine cooks here at XDA will eventually come up with a way to run a Windows Phone 8 ROM on existing hardware.
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I am thinking along the lines of put as many goodies in the WP7.8 build and that way the consumers get a taste of the new OS and then go out and buy a new WP8, Not far from what's already in the pipeline I know but just exactly the way I would now treat this situation, Not everyone will be happy, But then again when is everyone ever happy
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Hopefully they release a complete list of updates to be put in Windows Phone 7.8, if for no other reason than to try and pacify the masses.
...of course this is assuming that the complete list consists of more than just the WP8 UI update...
vetvito said:
Look at the big picture.
The market share wasn't going to get any bigger in the next 3 to 5 months, especially with no new flash ship devices on the horizon.
With Windows 8 and this kernel, there will be a surge of developers. Tons of amazing apps, the market share will explode.
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True, but I wonder if Nokia can afford to wait that long...

The start screen isn't the only update in 7.8; its just the only one we KNOW about. Microsoft didn't completely release WP7.8 to the public because they aren't done with it. So don't jump to conclusions because you might just be happy with what's in the update.

If the problem is more of a political/financial one, rather than a technical one, then I'm sure the fine cooks here at XDA will eventually come up with a way to run a Windows Phone 8 ROM on existing hardware.
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Hoping that the current hardware will work on 8... but they could throw all the hardware under the bus... as we saw from 6.x to 7.
Other than us 'enthusiasts', does the casual phone user really care whether their 900 will work with WP8 (other than the availability - or lack therof - of apps)?
The fact that none of the 6.x programs will work on 7 tells you that usoft is in it for the long haul (either that, or they made a SERIOUS miscalculation)! I know... it's a total re-vamp of the software.. had to do it... is 8 going to be as drastic of a change?
At least they are saying 'WP7 programs might have to have a 'minor' tweak' to run on 8... will give WP7 users some hope.
(I'm on the edge of getting a 900 (still running my tilt 2), but I'm not happy about some of the aps that I use on the t2 aren't available for WP7). The developers say 'they are looking into it'...
Tim

Nokia has done trade-ins before. I remember them doing it for at least the last 2 years.
At least this would be an option for those are complaining that they are stuck with the same phone for the remaining of their contract. Plus, it would help generate some momentum when the new devices are introduced. Microsoft is going to need to WP8 users right away and cannot wait multiple years to reach 2%. So give people who were loyal a discount when the phones are launched.
Microsoft, Nokia, and others could very well do nothing like when WP7 replaced Windows Mobile. We also know that there were large numbers of people who left permanently when this happened.

eeeelliott said:
The start screen isn't the only update in 7.8; its just the only one we KNOW about. Microsoft didn't completely release WP7.8 to the public because they aren't done with it. So don't jump to conclusions because you might just be happy with what's in the update.
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Actually, Microsoft have apparently said that WP7.8 is the start screen only. See links below.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLEB8CC228C5239441&v=fTNHgfy7lY8&feature=player_detailpage#t=5052s
http://www.winsupersite.com/article/windowsphone75/windows-phone-78-preview-143476

tim051 said:
The fact that none of the 6.x programs will work on 7 tells you that usoft is in it for the long haul (either that, or they made a SERIOUS miscalculation)! I know... it's a total re-vamp of the software.. had to do it... is 8 going to be as drastic of a change?
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No. WP7 programs will still work on WP8.
tim051 said:
Hoping that the current hardware will work on 8... but they could throw all the hardware under the bus... as we saw from 6.x to 7.
Other than us 'enthusiasts', does the casual phone user really care whether their 900 will work with WP8 (other than the availability - or lack therof - of apps)?
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No.

Can we jailbreak Lumia 900 to change UI and install third party apps?

Hi Folks,
Sorry if this thread is a duplicate. I couldn't find anything on web regarding jailbreaking Lumia 900. I'm really frustrated with W7 mobile OS. Like many of you I moved from apple/android just to try different. But now I'm feeling very bad about my decision and am stuck with this piece for another year. I was wondering if there is jailbreak software available. I just can't download and install anything on this phone. A simple change of theme or font is also restricted. Maybe I'm not aware of techniques which would help. Can someone please tell me how to install new themes, change look of the interface, make it more lively like android or IOS interface? Appeciate your response.
Thanks,
Rookie19

It is rooting, not jail breaking.
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There is no way to get "root" on the Lumia 900 at the moment. Even then all you can really do is add new accent colors to tweak the UI. I don't think font's can be changed, and you certainly can't make it look more like iOS or Android.

exiva said:
There is no way to get "root" on the Lumia 900 at the moment. Even then all you can really do is add new accent colors to tweak the UI. I don't think font's can be changed, and you certainly can't make it look more like iOS or Android.
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Thanks for the response. Hope someone figures out rooting this mobile soon.

It may come, but with the 920 on the Horizon, I'd call it a safe bet that what little interest there seems to be in the dev community on the 900 (None.) will drop even lower.

Agreed ...

exiva said:
It may come, but with the 920 on the Horizon, I'd call it a safe bet that what little interest there seems to be in the dev community on the 900 (None.) will drop even lower.
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well it seems (base on what i have read) that the nokia's bootloader is way locked down. i bought a lumia 900 just to play around with it before the lumia 920 comes out. i was hoping to see some form of development for the 900 but that seems unlikely. which is really sad. i was hoping to learn from some development in the 900 so when i buy the 920 ill be ready. all this lack of development for the 900 (while some of the windows phone like the focus has lots of development. which one dev already cooked up a wp8 rom for) is making me think twice about jumping on the 920 bandwagon. good thing that pawnshop i bought the nokia lumia 900 from does 30days money back guarantee hehe.
i was debating between the 920 and the galaxy note 2. now im leaning more towards the note2. man i really wanted to get a nokia phone (my go to phone brand before the iphone came out).
on the side note: how the heck do you lower the keyboard keys volume down or at least turn them off. its starting to annoy me
edit: found how to turn off keys sound. anyway to just lower the volume in them?

It's under settings/ringtones+sounds.
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It's all about interest
I retired a Samsung Focus that I had a great, and very time consuming, time modifying and flashing. I think there are several things going on here. I believe the type of person who buys the Nokia Lumia 900, in general, has little interest in modifying beyond what the OS provides. In addition, the OS is getting better all the time and eliminating the need to modify. These are just general observations. I know several of you will come back and say, "Hey, I want to flash and modify". OK, great. Most people do not. I no longer have any desire to go beyond what new releases of the OS provides. Why the heck would anyone want to buy a WP7 device to mod it to look like the Android or IPhone OS????? That is absurd. If you want those OS's and UI's, buy them, but don't complain that WP7 won't let you make it look like those other UI's.
I have a Nokia 900 that has never had a reboot, freeze or slowdown in almost a year. I would NEVER go back to the days of custom ROMs and sideloaded XAPs and the slowdowns, feezes and random reboots that come along with the wild, wild west approach. No thank you to that mess. When I was into it I convinced myself I had to do it and it was fun. Now that I have WP7.5 and the Nokia 900, I know I was only fooling myself and I wasted hours a day.
I don't believe there is a chorus of users asking for this, nor developer interest in doing the work to find loophole to take advantage of.

Amen Brother!

Yes, interest
Hi James Allen, hi all
Sorry about my english, I'm from Spain.
In my opinion, you're full in right. If people whant's something else, why don't they by "this" something else.
I'm fully satisfy with my Lumia 900. It's smart, fast, and I did not see one error or bug in the hole month since I bought it.
OS Version 7.10.8779.8
Firmware Version 2175.2503.8779.12301
It just would be nice to could put my self-made xap on it (no third party) I'm programmer. As I red, that the Lumia would approve to run Silverlight-Applications, it was one point more, to get it. I'm working for a project in Silverlight/C# professionally and on my own I have developed many tools in several areas. It just would be nice to get them running on this little fine handy. But for trying and so, it's to much to pay $99 a year just to could put 10 Applications inside. And never know, if they will be something at the end.
Right this tools you named, I was trying last weekend to make them run (hours to find something, and then to see, it's impossible),
ChevronWP7 and WP7 Root Tools to unlock the phone and access the file system.
Like you, I spent mounths with stuff like that, Nokia, Samsung, Wii, Dreambox (I never liked the iPhone), and at the end it just was for waisting time. I never play with my Wii and when, only Mario (with the Game I bought), with the games in Samung Handy, I played about 2 days. and my Dreambox ist empty in a box, cause after bring it to work, when I watch TV, then just a Blu-ray or DVD, so I erased all and putted away. My friends look at me, as would I be an alien
But this time it's different, I want my phone to get running my applications but it seems I have to wait for a custom rom for a long time, or to make my tools get running on the sdk-emulator, and if it seems to be good, to pay this damn $99.
Anyway it was really interesting, to read what you wrote on friday.
If you have some information about to get running the "ChevronWP7" and/or the "WP7 Root Tools" on Lumia 900, every help is really welcome!
Till there is something, I first go on developping
Have a nice Sunday!

JamesAllen said:
I have a Nokia 900 that has never had a reboot, freeze or slowdown in almost a year.
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How's that possible? The Lumia 900 is only 6 months in the market...?