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[Q] Different roms... Vanilla or Sense?

I've been playing with a few different ROMs lately and one thing that I keep coming back to is "why?". Realistically, I like some of the things that come with sense (the dialpad, friendstream, gallery) but I can replace those with market apps.
Is there really a reason to not have sense if you can remove the apps you don't like? I can get really good quadrant scores on both, but I've learned that doesn't necessarily mean great performance. All I really care about is if the phone feels snappy and works like I want it to.
I use launcherpro so the appdrawer and quicklaunch buttons dont bother me at all, which is the majority of what I dont like about sense. I can remove all the other apps I dont use or want, so is there a distinct advantage to using a vanilla rom over a sense one other than personal preference? I keep bouncing back from SR vanilla to Ruby and even Virtuous ROM now and all of them are very awesome. Sorry if this has been asked, but I couldnt find any clear reason why someone would want a pure vanilla ROM over something like SR3 that has most of the crappy stuff from sense removed already.

I believe it truly is just personal preference. What you like, how you want it to look, the widgets you want to use. A big plus to me with Sense was the lock screen controls. But now with ihtfp69 and getting the rotary vanilla lockscreen with music controls on it, I prefer vanilla over sense. But thats me.

I prefer vanilla over Sense also.
The more stripped bare, the better for me.
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I like the vanilla, im running the sr but just tried the sr sense and i got a huge score on the q of 1478!!! Im getting around 1330 on vanilla, I like the layout of vanilla

For me the best advantage of an AOSP rom vs. a Sense/de-Sensed rom is the phone answer screen. With a sense rom I would always accidentally answer the phone when taking it out of my pocket when it was ringing. With AOSP roms the answer slider moves left/right so I never have this problem. I've also noticed that I have a lot more free memory at boot with an AOSP rom then even a de-sensed rom. The stock browser also allows many more simultaneous open windows then a sense based rom, which is limited to 4 windows total.
I just recently switched to Ruby 1.1.1 with the radio layer and bluetooth patch and have been loving it.

For me, you have a few categories.
-Sense
-Sense light (e.g. Best of both worlds)
-AOSP
-MIUI (I know this is an AOSP, but really stands out)
I love the feel off the AOSP ROMS. The dialer and contacts have larger buttons, the answer slide sideways, the messaging, etc. Like you, I use LP, so the Sense widgets are out the door anyway. I kept tasting the new sense roms because of three better continuity of appearance, however. Also, Sense handles the mms apn stuff better. But then MIUI came along. I'm not sure why it's classified as AOSP, when it is really an impressive overlay of android, much as sense is. I don't really knower what I'm talking about, but I can tell you that MIUI changed me. I feel like it is giving me the best of both worlds, and I could go on and on about the little features that make it truly unique and powerful.
Boils down to preference. Try MIUI if you haven't already. Be sure to use v0.3. The newer v0.4 has some kinks.
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[Debate]What rom and why?

Alright.. so we all probably use virtuous rom, gingervillian,cyanogen or miui.
I wanna know why everyone chooses each one.. I've flashed all and am just curious to why everyone else chooses the roms they do.. what really makes you stay with the rom you have??
I run miui. To me cyanogen lacks full customization. And has no benefitial features over miui. I get same battery life and phone runs smoothly at 1ghz as it would on any other rom. ONLY issue is random reboots. Which is a theme issue not a rom issue.. And I don't care for sense roms.. to me they slow the phone down.. although I am waiting for cm7 to become stable before my first flash.
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Currently I am running MIUI. I'm still getting used to it but overall I like it. I love the UI. It looks clean and it's quick.

Stock post ota deodexed.... because every other rom gives me some sort of problem that there is no guide to fixing and I don't have the time to troubleshoot the bull****

Whats deodexed mean??
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The 1.2Ghz clock speed from the God speed thread.
Anything higher than that affects my battery and I don't see any obvious benefit as I don't play any games that need a higher CPU.

virtuous because of eye candy and htc streams are awesome!!

which rom saves battery most?

I use CM6.1.1
I previously tried Virtuous because I always wanted a Sense phone but realized Sense actually sucks, well the messaging, gallery and dialer at least.
I use my phone heavily for A2DP bluetooth streaming and apperantly cyanogenmod is pretty much the best rom for bluetooth audio quality, also the added equalizer feature is awesome. Its just like the stock rom whish I loved since my nexus days but with just the right amount of customization.
MIUI looks annoying as hell, why not just buy an iDevice if your into that UI?

shady503403 said:
Whats deodexed mean??
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When you install an app, sometimes it comes with an odex file (i believe it's an extension of some sort to the app) When you are de-odex'd, it merges the extension (dot odex file) with the apk. The only reason I wanted this rom was to use themes for stock roms. I also found that it boots the phone up a hell of a lot faster.
Highly recommended for people who want the stock feel but like small mods here and there.
curbsam said:
The 1.2Ghz clock speed from the God speed thread.
Anything higher than that affects my battery and I don't see any obvious benefit as I don't play any games that need a higher CPU.
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That's not a rom...
that's a kernel........... *facepalm*

I run Virtuous for a few reasons:
1. camera - the stock Android camera app is abysmal. Few options and not easy to use in the least.
2. music player - genre support is a big one for me
3. Sense - I use LauncherPro, but I prefer the sense contacts and other features.
4. I installed the 3D gallery from stock, so I have access to both. One other small benefit of the otherwise useless Sense gallery is a scrollable 'share' pop-up. On stock ROMs (or CM), if you have too many options in this menu, you can't scroll so you can't access them. Sense lets you scroll the 'share' list.

ungarisch said:
I use CM6.1.1
I previously tried Virtuous because I always wanted a Sense phone but realized Sense actually sucks, well the messaging, gallery and dialer at least.
I use my phone heavily for A2DP bluetooth streaming and apperantly cyanogenmod is pretty much the best rom for bluetooth audio quality, also the added equalizer feature is awesome. Its just like the stock rom whish I loved since my nexus days but with just the right amount of customization.
MIUI looks annoying as hell, why not just buy an iDevice if your into that UI?
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Not everything about miui is iphonish... and even the parts that are you have options.. the menus? I turn those to the standard grid. the icons? Not all are uniformed "squares" all thou the theme is use they are. But I actually am I fan of uniformed icons. I think it looks cleaner.. imho. What about miui looks annoying?? I admit the original launcher is lame. But I don't use it.. I think docks and notification bars are lame. I don't use either and rock adw.. swipe down for notifications and up for apps. plus you can't tell me miui lock screen isn't sexy..
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[Q] Cm7 or sense

Hi i am a new owner of wilfire buzz.
i want a stable phone! So what do you longtime buzz users think
what is better CM7 or sense

i use/love cm7 it has some cliches from time to time but its the best imo, f you want custom rom use cm7 or some 2.2 sense roms or just root the stock one flash oc kernel and you are done

You are going to get a totally split opinion here (Many love CM, but, some hate the dialer app, the messages app, and its looks, and so on and so forth). Honestly, just use both, and stick with the one that suits YOU.

Depends what you like, cm7 is way way way way more customizible IMO, and also not full of junk i never use so I'm definitely on the cm7 side of the fence, I'm not knocking sense for all you sense lovers out there it is good at what it does and if you use all the things in it its perfect. its just I like to decide what is on my phone and how it looks
But I agree with 3xeno test em all, it took me 3 months to decide to stick with cm7.
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I agree wit u both 3xeno and Scratch... test all the ROMs and decide yourself...
For me CM7 is best wen cam to performance and customization, but lacks all the UI stuff that a sense ROM gives... the intelli dialer, camera, sense feel...so on...

Cm7? The thing i love in it is its versatility and capabilities. And ofcourse if you are a dev, you should use it, but sense is eyecandy, ofcourse i use some elements from sense rom, like gallery and camera in my cm7, and uninstalled some default app from cm7 and replaced some with market app, ( like slow adw launcher with launcher pro) and trying to inter breed cm7 and sense.
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There is no good or bad... CM7 uses adw launcher. So download it and test if you like it more than sense.
My Wildfire have sense.
I just like it more than adw. (dont ask me why!)

Agree with Scratch0805 It depends on what you like really, me personally i enjoy CM7 more cause of the speed, higher OS, more things i can customize on...
I got my wildfire last october but i finally decided to flash it just last week

I'm still on 2.2 mainly to test my applications against it, but what I'd miss with CM7 is that when the phone rings I can just flip it over and it'll STFU. That's really helpful when I'm at work. Also, when it rings and I pull it out of my pocket it lowers the volume a bit. But it also has useless junk like Footprints and Friend Stream.

Fastest rom without launcher (aosp)

Hi guys. basicly my favourite roms are miui and ilwt350 but I would like to make them even faster by using aosp. Is there a way to do this? Or roms that are aosp are bad and i really need launcher?
I am leaning towards ilwt350 but it comes with adw launcher/go launcher and I am not really into one or another, so It wouldnt hurt to try it aosp if there is a way

HiCZoK said:
Hi guys. basicly my favourite roms are miui and ilwt350 but I would like to make them even faster by using aosp. Is there a way to do this? Or roms that are aosp are bad and i really need launcher?
I am leaning towards ilwt350 but it comes with adw launcher/go launcher and I am not really into one or another, so It wouldnt hurt to try it aosp if there is a way
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ok, i don't know if AOSP ROMs can run without a launcher... but try this: in ILWT, theres an ILWT.txt file, you can edit that file to make the flashing not install any launcher... (launcher=none)... try it, but i don't think it'll work though
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it don't work. Rom doesnt start then

That's only there in case you want to install a custom launcher using the function to install custom apps. You're saying you want to install the AOSP launcher?
If so, courtesy of martonikaj:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=995353
Make sure to hit the thanks button in his post if it helped you.

I don't think the OP understands what the Launcher does in Android? Or what AOSP means?
Not to rag on you, but just want to clear these things up before we go any further.
The long answer:
AOSP: Short for "Android Open Source Project"; it's like the complete vanilla version of what Android was designed to be. Minus all the skins (Sense, Blurr, Touchwiz, etc...) and carrier bloat, it is the essence of what the AndroidOS is.
Launcher: The GUI (Graphical User Interface) of Android, the stock (AOSP) version of Android has this to access the various parts of the OS (Phone, App Drawer, Contacts, Apps, etc...). There are various other kinds of launchers out there with different features (ADW Launcher, LauncherPRO, GOLauncherEX, etc..) and carrier themed versions (Sense, Blurr, Touchwiz, etc...).
The short answer:
The lightest weight launcher that you could possibly use is the stock AOSP launcher. Android cannot function (graphically) without a launcher (to my knowledge).

ok thanks. I think I needed an explanation of some kind even tho i thought I know what it is
I am asking for pure android launcher. There is always, sense, touchwiz, launcherpro or adw.
Or shouldnt I even bother? I am kinda used to sense but can't find any "perfect" version. best sense for Z is 2,1 but virtuous sense 2.0.0 have this major problem and don't keep apps in memory after I go to home screen. Listening to music, pause, check messages, go back and pause is reset to start of the song (or 3hour podcast and then I have to search where Ive finished listening)
games are constantly restarting every minute like plants vs zombies.
I guess that You will advise me to use launcher. What is fastest with ilwt then? stock adw?
also another question. hd videos are working great on sense 3,5 roms while I have to oc to hell on every other rom and they stil jitter. Why is that? Other than default player doesnt help.
Thanks for help

I'm using the paid version of ADW, which is ADW EX. It's totally worth the money and it is A LOT SMOOTHER than the free counterpart. If you can spare a tiny amount of money it's definitely worth buying!
By HD you mean videos that are at about 1280x720, right? If so have you tried MX Video Player? If not then download it from the market (it's free).
Works very smooth at 1,1GHz, try this video as a preview http://www.tools4movies.com/Droid/nfs_hp_2010.mp4

Yeah. I am talkinga about .mp4 720p video, like trailers or movies.
I have 3 movies as my preview and those work just like every other move, no stuttering or whatsoever on sense 3,5 but on any other system, they fail. on cm350 ilwt, Gallery doesnt see tham and MX video player play them only software. HW is not even avaible

Try downloading the MX Player NEON codec. It's in the market.

HiCZoK said:
Or shouldnt I even bother? I am kinda used to sense but can't find any "perfect" version.
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I had the same problem as you. I am currently running G2Slim. It's the fastest and smoothest/fastest 'vanilla like' rom you can find and it has SUPERB battery life! I mean you get like 200+ free ram after booting The only price you pay is that it's ugly and it misses some of the great sense things like the dialer application.
If you just cant say farewell to sense, in this post I've listed some ROM's that have sense elements but not the Sense launcher (ROSIE). So basically they are senseless ROM's that still have sense (like the dialer etc).
P.S. The smallest launcher, to my knowledge, is ZEAM Launcher. You can grab it from the market or you can find the original post by the author here

I've been on several different launchers for GB now:
Stock
ADW
LauncherPRO
GOLauncherEX
Sense
MIUI (I know this is a ROM itself, but talking more about the UI)
Of the launchers, for AOSP ROMs, I would ALWAYS ditch the stock launcher (whether it be Stock, ADW or LauncherPRO) for GOLauncherEX. It comes with the majority of the conveniences of Sense without the RAM hogging bloat. For me, it seems to be the best balance of functionality and speed. There were features that were missing in the other launchers (Resizing any widget, full screen calendar widgets, etc...) that I really couldn't live without.
I would suggest trying them out if you have the time. Spend about 5-7 days with each launcher and figure out which suits your needs the best. My setup was always Virtuous G-Lite with GOLauncherEX and it worked out perfectly for me. Insane battery life (talking 3 days on a single charge with moderate use with the stock battery) and great speed (no lockups or lag).
Good luck!

Thanks for reply guys. I am still checking thing out. I want to do some good couple of days testing witch each rom.
Right now i am ditching cm7 ilwt350. Its kinda glitchy. Especially screen not rotating or only half of screen rotating etc.

HiCZoK said:
Thanks for reply guys. I am still checking thing out. I want to do some good couple of days testing witch each rom.
Right now i am ditching cm7 ilwt350. Its kinda glitchy. Especially screen not rotating or only half of screen rotating etc.
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CM7 ILWT 333 not 350... the 350 one has some bugs
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crestofawave said:
I'm using the paid version of ADW, which is ADW EX. It's totally worth the money and it is A LOT SMOOTHER than the free counterpart. If you can spare a tiny amount of money it's definitely worth buying!
By HD you mean videos that are at about 1280x720, right? If so have you tried MX Video Player? If not then download it from the market (it's free).
Works very smooth at 1,1GHz, try this video as a preview http://www.tools4movies.com/Droid/nfs_hp_2010.mp4
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I agree.
I do not always eat gingerbread, but when I do, I prefer ADW Ex.

Jelly bean lockscreen!

as it took sometime to totally port jellybean for us..lets get fun to the lockscreen first
maybe someone dindt know this thing yet so im sharing it to you
Simple and fast lock screen replacement, based on stock Jelly Bean lock screen.
Holo locker is not a theme for Go Locker or others, it is the real Jelly Bean lock screen app.
MOBINT SOFWARE offer us this oppurtunity
this is the link : https://play.google.com/store/apps/...t=W251bGwsMSwxLDMsImNvbS5tb2JpbnQubG9ja2VyIl0.
im a paranoidandroid user....so for those who is using tablet mode..switch this to 128DPI ...it will fit enough
enjoy

Threre is already a thread about this lockscreen here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1771843

This sucks really bad... fails all the time and a lot of other bugs. Much better changing frameworks.

marcellocord said:
This sucks really bad... fails all the time and a lot of other bugs. Much better changing frameworks.
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I dont know what rom and settings are you are using...never had a single problem on this lockscreen
sent from my lovely phone....hmmm wait its a tablet...waaa i dont really know.....im PARANOID NoW!