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[Q] Different roms... Vanilla or Sense?

I've been playing with a few different ROMs lately and one thing that I keep coming back to is "why?". Realistically, I like some of the things that come with sense (the dialpad, friendstream, gallery) but I can replace those with market apps.
Is there really a reason to not have sense if you can remove the apps you don't like? I can get really good quadrant scores on both, but I've learned that doesn't necessarily mean great performance. All I really care about is if the phone feels snappy and works like I want it to.
I use launcherpro so the appdrawer and quicklaunch buttons dont bother me at all, which is the majority of what I dont like about sense. I can remove all the other apps I dont use or want, so is there a distinct advantage to using a vanilla rom over a sense one other than personal preference? I keep bouncing back from SR vanilla to Ruby and even Virtuous ROM now and all of them are very awesome. Sorry if this has been asked, but I couldnt find any clear reason why someone would want a pure vanilla ROM over something like SR3 that has most of the crappy stuff from sense removed already.

I believe it truly is just personal preference. What you like, how you want it to look, the widgets you want to use. A big plus to me with Sense was the lock screen controls. But now with ihtfp69 and getting the rotary vanilla lockscreen with music controls on it, I prefer vanilla over sense. But thats me.

I prefer vanilla over Sense also.
The more stripped bare, the better for me.
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I like the vanilla, im running the sr but just tried the sr sense and i got a huge score on the q of 1478!!! Im getting around 1330 on vanilla, I like the layout of vanilla

For me the best advantage of an AOSP rom vs. a Sense/de-Sensed rom is the phone answer screen. With a sense rom I would always accidentally answer the phone when taking it out of my pocket when it was ringing. With AOSP roms the answer slider moves left/right so I never have this problem. I've also noticed that I have a lot more free memory at boot with an AOSP rom then even a de-sensed rom. The stock browser also allows many more simultaneous open windows then a sense based rom, which is limited to 4 windows total.
I just recently switched to Ruby 1.1.1 with the radio layer and bluetooth patch and have been loving it.

For me, you have a few categories.
-Sense
-Sense light (e.g. Best of both worlds)
-AOSP
-MIUI (I know this is an AOSP, but really stands out)
I love the feel off the AOSP ROMS. The dialer and contacts have larger buttons, the answer slide sideways, the messaging, etc. Like you, I use LP, so the Sense widgets are out the door anyway. I kept tasting the new sense roms because of three better continuity of appearance, however. Also, Sense handles the mms apn stuff better. But then MIUI came along. I'm not sure why it's classified as AOSP, when it is really an impressive overlay of android, much as sense is. I don't really knower what I'm talking about, but I can tell you that MIUI changed me. I feel like it is giving me the best of both worlds, and I could go on and on about the little features that make it truly unique and powerful.
Boils down to preference. Try MIUI if you haven't already. Be sure to use v0.3. The newer v0.4 has some kinks.
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[Q] What would you like the Chefs to make??

As a developer myself, just no in the tech field, I find it helpful to know what other want so that I can produce the best. I'm sure that most of you do this because it's something that YOU personally want and or like. I deeply appreciate the work that has gone into such wonderful ROM's and I can't wait to see more.
As for me, I've tried out RR, CM, SR, Frank, Jager, ASOP, and a few other odds and ends.
It seems to me there should be a blend. A blend between Sense and well....nonsense.
Currently, I'm on the Ultimate ASOP. This ROM has been amazing because of the ability to customize. Like every ROM, there are quirks or just small things that bother me, but it's SOOOO close to greatness, IMHO. I like a lot about a lot of ROMS but if they're lacking Sense then I miss that. If they have Sense, I miss the customizing of the Non Sense. My question is, can the two be made to be CommonSense?
What I'm talking about is a ROM that combines a little bit of the HTC Sense side with the applications and setting and customization of the Non HTC Sense ROMs. For instance, the email application in the Driod root IMHO opinion is much better then the Sense one. You can easily check multiple emails and the default background is back. What if you could have Sense, but change the lock screen to something different and be able to add different themes easily? There are several instances where the two could be combined to make CommonSense. And, if you have some ideas please share!
I guess i'm just looking for ideas from others that I can take a pitch to a Chef along with a few $$$ to make a ROM that'll do just that. Is there anyone else that thinks the same or I am the only one riding the HellaNoSense boat?

check out IncDoes AOSP. but you should have posted in q/a or general for future reference

This incredible forums is in desperate need for vanailla Roms AND ASOP kernels
DESPERATE NEED
VANILLA ROMS ARE THE BEST performing and give the most memory
we have great phones and we havent taken full advantage imo from what i have seen so far

i prefer a sense based rom with virtually every sense component gutted aside from dialer and contacts (and other key vital stuff). most users use launcher pro, yet most devs seem to focus their [sense] work around modified rosie. Which doesnt seem to make a ton of sense to me. im sure the launcher pro dev would allow the use of his work cooked into roms with his permission right?

SLOflatlander said:
i prefer a sense based rom with virtually every sense component gutted aside from dialer and contacts (and other key vital stuff). most users use launcher pro, yet most devs seem to focus their [sense] work around modified rosie. Which doesnt seem to make a ton of sense to me. im sure the launcher pro dev would allow the use of his work cooked into roms with his permission right?
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actually no. LP isnt open source. thats also whay CM uses ADW rather than LP

How about a JD froyo MASH-UP! That wud b hot! You know, cause a phone that won't boot gets the best battery life
Edit: I LOVED SR vanilla, but it's a little long in the tooth... at least for now. I still have issues with AOSP stability. But I haven't flashed anything new in a month so maybe I'm full of it.

DS36 said:
This incredible forums is in desperate need for vanailla Roms AND ASOP kernels
DESPERATE NEED
VANILLA ROMS ARE THE BEST performing and give the most memory
we have great phones and we havent taken full advantage imo from what i have seen so far
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Yeap. This.

Minimalism.
Bare bones, minimal special effects, no clutter.
Basically a tiling WM or Openbox layout with basic text menus or no menus with touch commands.
Hopefully I'll be able to get into cooking whenever I get my machine in order. I've been wanting to actually contribute to some coding/hacking projects but I've never found anything of interest that would motivate me... until now :3

BigTSetter said:
... For instance, the email application in the Driod root IMHO opinion is much better then the Sense one. You can easily check multiple emails and the default background is back......
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FYI: the new Sense lets you multi select in the mail widget...Desire HD/Z

I love sense but need a landscape homescreen! I wish rosie could do this because adw and LP drive me nuts! Currently ruining SR. 3.3.3 but will make the switch when I find something that suits my needs...the reason...I frequently use a car dock and I'm on the road for at least2 hours a day
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All I would like is someone to modify the bluetooth stack to support bluetooth keyboards (I have an old iGo keyboard).

I'm still hoping for a webOS port even though that's probably not gonna happen ever
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lexdad86 said:
I'm still hoping for a webOS port even though that's probably not gonna happen ever
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Want. I just wish android took more looks from webOS. It is so beautiful!

The look & feel of the new Sense UI (The Desire Z ROM specifically), the fastest and most optimized speed possible, working camera w/ 720p video (only thing wrong with Desire Z ROM, imo), lots of free memory, clear of all the bloatware apps, aaaaaaaaaaaaand.... Ability to quickly change theme settings (transparency, selection colors, etc).
Oh, and great dev support.

ToyTank said:
How about a JD froyo MASH-UP! That wud b hot! You know, cause a phone that won't boot gets the best battery life
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Bahahaha!!

DS36 said:
This incredible forums is in desperate need for vanailla Roms AND ASOP kernels
DESPERATE NEED
VANILLA ROMS ARE THE BEST performing and give the most memory
we have great phones and we havent taken full advantage imo from what i have seen so far
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http://www.droidforums.net/forum/lithiummod/89559-lithium-mod-returns-more-devices.html
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My perfect rom would be:
Sense based Vanilla rom
htc keyboard
htc camera
htc gallery
htc contacts
either HTC facebook or contacts syncable with market facebook.
emmc working properly
adw built in
customizations avalable in cyanogen's latest rom
power widget built in to notification pull down.
figure out how to change the answer/silence to tabs
reboot option in power menu
6 signal bars
htc battery icon with %
keep the colored sense settings menu icons.
tab or rotary music controls (hidden when not in use)
thats all i can think of.

Having tried just about every ROM out there (and a couple of them a number of times) I think the problem I run into is there are little things here and there that I like about each.
All of our tastes are different, thus we like different things. Some people like the circle battery mod, some people like the rotary lock screen, etc etc...
What would be really cool is if there were a way to easily choose the specific mods you wanted... kinda like picking out options on a new car.
Ultimately, I think the answer is a dev that is willing to build you a custom ROM to your exact specifications. Of course, this would come with a price tag, but hey, it's exactly what you wanted (and it would be worth it IMO... any takers LOL).
In the meantime, I'm trying to figure out how to get what it is that I want and experiment. It's been fun, frustrating at times, and I still don't have everything I like, but at least we have lots of options to choose from, and I'm learning something new in the process

Is it not possible to build a Rom with a bunch of on off switches that allow you to select sense or no sense , or give you the option for circle battery vs stock ....
IMO.... this would be the ULTIMATE Rom .....
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@ The OP: Maybe you should initiate a poll.

[Debate]What rom and why?

Alright.. so we all probably use virtuous rom, gingervillian,cyanogen or miui.
I wanna know why everyone chooses each one.. I've flashed all and am just curious to why everyone else chooses the roms they do.. what really makes you stay with the rom you have??
I run miui. To me cyanogen lacks full customization. And has no benefitial features over miui. I get same battery life and phone runs smoothly at 1ghz as it would on any other rom. ONLY issue is random reboots. Which is a theme issue not a rom issue.. And I don't care for sense roms.. to me they slow the phone down.. although I am waiting for cm7 to become stable before my first flash.
Sent from my G2.

Currently I am running MIUI. I'm still getting used to it but overall I like it. I love the UI. It looks clean and it's quick.

Stock post ota deodexed.... because every other rom gives me some sort of problem that there is no guide to fixing and I don't have the time to troubleshoot the bull****

Whats deodexed mean??
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The 1.2Ghz clock speed from the God speed thread.
Anything higher than that affects my battery and I don't see any obvious benefit as I don't play any games that need a higher CPU.

virtuous because of eye candy and htc streams are awesome!!

which rom saves battery most?

I use CM6.1.1
I previously tried Virtuous because I always wanted a Sense phone but realized Sense actually sucks, well the messaging, gallery and dialer at least.
I use my phone heavily for A2DP bluetooth streaming and apperantly cyanogenmod is pretty much the best rom for bluetooth audio quality, also the added equalizer feature is awesome. Its just like the stock rom whish I loved since my nexus days but with just the right amount of customization.
MIUI looks annoying as hell, why not just buy an iDevice if your into that UI?

shady503403 said:
Whats deodexed mean??
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When you install an app, sometimes it comes with an odex file (i believe it's an extension of some sort to the app) When you are de-odex'd, it merges the extension (dot odex file) with the apk. The only reason I wanted this rom was to use themes for stock roms. I also found that it boots the phone up a hell of a lot faster.
Highly recommended for people who want the stock feel but like small mods here and there.
curbsam said:
The 1.2Ghz clock speed from the God speed thread.
Anything higher than that affects my battery and I don't see any obvious benefit as I don't play any games that need a higher CPU.
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That's not a rom...
that's a kernel........... *facepalm*

I run Virtuous for a few reasons:
1. camera - the stock Android camera app is abysmal. Few options and not easy to use in the least.
2. music player - genre support is a big one for me
3. Sense - I use LauncherPro, but I prefer the sense contacts and other features.
4. I installed the 3D gallery from stock, so I have access to both. One other small benefit of the otherwise useless Sense gallery is a scrollable 'share' pop-up. On stock ROMs (or CM), if you have too many options in this menu, you can't scroll so you can't access them. Sense lets you scroll the 'share' list.

ungarisch said:
I use CM6.1.1
I previously tried Virtuous because I always wanted a Sense phone but realized Sense actually sucks, well the messaging, gallery and dialer at least.
I use my phone heavily for A2DP bluetooth streaming and apperantly cyanogenmod is pretty much the best rom for bluetooth audio quality, also the added equalizer feature is awesome. Its just like the stock rom whish I loved since my nexus days but with just the right amount of customization.
MIUI looks annoying as hell, why not just buy an iDevice if your into that UI?
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Not everything about miui is iphonish... and even the parts that are you have options.. the menus? I turn those to the standard grid. the icons? Not all are uniformed "squares" all thou the theme is use they are. But I actually am I fan of uniformed icons. I think it looks cleaner.. imho. What about miui looks annoying?? I admit the original launcher is lame. But I don't use it.. I think docks and notification bars are lame. I don't use either and rock adw.. swipe down for notifications and up for apps. plus you can't tell me miui lock screen isn't sexy..
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[Q] what limitations does a sense rom have as oppose to a ASOP rom?

I have read that sense roms have limitations on them and i was just wondering what are the of mods can you do on an Asop rom vs a Sense rom? T.I.A.

Opinions vary widely here - I'll attempt an objective explanation.
Sense is the layer of goodies HTC puts onto the device - like the neato weather animation, the Rosie (launcher, at the most basic level) at the bottom, etc.
VZW, while not HTC or part of Sense, also puts stuff on the device.
AOSP has (in most cases) none of the 'value added' goodies from HTC Sense or VZW.
The AOSP ROM is built from the source code for the device - hence the acronym - AOSP=Android Open Source Project.
Most widgets from Sense do not work on AOSP - a couple Sense apps do, like the flashlight, FM Radio, a few others. I suppose this could be labeled a limitation, but that's opinion. Conversely, many of the apps or widgets emulating certain Sense functions are available in the market.
All that said, users form their own opinions/experience based on what they utilize from Sense, VZW, and AOSP itself.
Try on an AOSP ROM and see what you think - there's Froyo and Gingerbread flavors available.

smtom said:
Opinions vary widely here - I'll attempt an objective explanation.
Sense is the layer of goodies HTC puts onto the device - like the neato weather animation, the Rosie (launcher, at the most basic level) at the bottom, etc.
VZW, while not HTC or part of Sense, also puts stuff on the device.
AOSP has (in most cases) none of the 'value added' goodies from HTC Sense or VZW.
The AOSP ROM is built from the source code for the device - hence the acronym - AOSP=Android Open Source Project.
Most widgets from Sense do not work on AOSP - a couple Sense apps do, like the flashlight, FM Radio, a few others. I suppose this could be labeled a limitation, but that's opinion. Conversely, many of the apps or widgets emulating certain Sense functions are available in the market.
All that said, users form their own opinions/experience based on what they utilize from Sense, VZW, and AOSP itself.
Try on an AOSP ROM and see what you think - there's Froyo and Gingerbread flavors available.
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All of this is very true.
From a user-perspective this is what you'll see differently.
1. Camera/Camcorder/Gallery - This is generally better on Sense ROMs for our phone because they were made for our phone. And as for gallery, I prefer the 2d Sense gallery vs the 3d gallery in AOSP ROMs that often are buggy for me.
2. Dialer - I like to be able to use the T9 to type in my contacts names (yes I know there are 3rd party programs that do this, I'm talking strictly AOSP).
3. Rosie Launcher - Like stated before, the launcher is good if you use the widgets and stuff, I personally don't use it though.
4. Smoothness vs Snappiness - In my experience, AOSP ROMs are snappier, which means there is more "raw power" feel to it. Sense is very smooth, some things might take milliseconds longer to load, but it feels very smooth and I think the overall feel is nicer.
Basically, our phone was designed in mind to have HTC Sense on it. With AOSP ROMs, some of the features feel "botched" (in my opinion, the camera/camcorder is botched the most). But there are really no "limitations" to either, they are both android after all.

TheWhiteBandito said it very well.. that was essentially my experience with everything. i stayed away from AOSP for a while because i really liked the sense camera/camcorder, gallery app, dialer, calculator, and a few little things. I think i used launcher pro so rosie didn't matter much for me.
Now i'm on MIUI which is AOSP but it has some SERIOUS customizations. it has its own camera and gallery apps which are similar to the sense apps. the dialer i think is better than AOSP and Sense dialers. it also offers tons of other customizations which are really great. check it out

The only thing I think I would miss from Sense is the fact I miss so many widgets.

You could try widgetsoid from the Market. I really liked the Sense Widgets, but widgetsoid is actually more advanced. You can make all sorts of custom widget bars and even load into the notification pull down. I also run Launcher Pro instead of Sense launcher. It works better and you can do a lot more with it. Rosie was an improvement when all you had was stock Donut, but these days there are better options and HTC has not really kept up.
That being said, I still like a lot about Sense. In particular, the Mail app, Facebook sync and photo posting, Camera, Gallery, and overall aesthetics. It would be hard to give these up.
(Oh, and download the Gingerbread keyboard from the Market.)

As others have said its not necessarily limitations but more the look and feel of the OS. Honestly, while I do love the Sense flip clock, the only two widgets I really missed were the full page calendar and friends. Now that I'm on CM7 I use LauncherPro Plus and the full page widgets are almost exactly the same look and function of the Sense ones. Play around with different combinations of both Sense and AOSP and see what you think.
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thanks everyone, all that was very informative. currently using inc re-engineered z and liking it a lot but i might try MIUI for an ASOP rom since it sounds like it doesn't have problems with the camera/camcorder

gemitero said:
thanks everyone, all that was very informative. currently using inc re-engineered z and liking it a lot but i might try MIUI for an ASOP rom since it sounds like it doesn't have problems with the camera/camcorder
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MIUI is indeed cool, but stay away from the newest (3.18) if you want to use 720p video recording. Until something happens to get us the drivers for our camera on gingerbread, that capability will be unavailable.

I actually have MIUI GB version on my SD card. I was planning to try it out but I'm so amazed how this miui rom is so diiferent from sense. Its like I need to learn how to use my dinc all over again lol. Thanks for the heads up. Ill eventually flash the GB version to try it out but I'm enjoying this one right now
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Thats the best way to go about it is try for yourself. Every dinc is slightly different from other dinc's some are great some are good some are bad. So try try try and you will find the flavor that suits you and your dinc the best.

[Q] Best Sense battery life?

Currently on InsertCoin Data++ and while it's beautiful and smooth, the battery life is quite poor (I've found...). Looking for a ROM with a far better battery life.
It needs to be sense really. I basically love the dialer/sms/mail apps. I've tried a couple of AOSP ROMS with reputedly great battery life (namely Oxygen and Redux) but I just don't like the feel of them beyond the home screen. I suppose I wouldn't mind a "stripped sense" ROM as that would keep the apps I like, would it not?
Any pointers would be appreciated.
Cheers

Not quite the answer you are after but you could always use a stripped ROM and LauncherPro which has some sense-like widgets.
The Go Contacts/SMS/Weather/Dialer etc seem like decent replacements too.
I gave up on Sense a long time ago.

I wouldn't mind that, I'd just need the actual apps too. Are they present on stripped sense roms?
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Well I use GingerVillain which is Gingerbread.
LauncherPro
Go SMS
Go Contacts
Go Dialer
Go Weather
Beautiful Widgets
..... all available on the market
you will have to purchase the full version of LauncherPro (a couple of quid) for the widgets but its well worth it.

I'll take a look at those apps now then...thanks

OK after a few minutes of fiddling about with those, they're definitely worthy replacements thanks for that.
Dyou know of any good gallery/mail*/calendar apps too?
*I currently have both ExchangeActiveSync and Gmail accounts, both in the native "Mail" app

LauncherPro has a great Calendar widget built in.
GMAIL i use the standar google app to be honest
Gallery wise I use the gallery app built into GingerVillain which i think is called 3D Gallery.
Id also recommend
BattStatt
Make Your Clock Widget

Thanks...I've just flashed Oxygen so we'll see how it goes
Is it possible to get the Sense Keyboard dyou know?

cgmorris89 said:
Thanks...I've just flashed Oxygen so we'll see how it goes
Is it possible to get the Sense Keyboard dyou know?
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hmmm. you may be able to download it somewhere but the Gingerbread Keyboard is decent enough.
'Go' also do a keyboard that you can skin but i will admit im not keen on that one

K. Thanks for your help

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K. Thanks for your help
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no probs. Have fun Flashing