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[Q] Pros and Cons? Non-sense vs. sense roms

Hi all!
Basically....iv used mainly sense roms...tried a few and im with leedroid at the moment...seems very stable and quick and i like the htc goodies....mainly the htc phone, messaging, music and gallery.
Iv also tried CyanogenMod but i didnt get on with it without the sense goodies.
Is there good alternatives for the htc stuff? or did i not give non-sense android a chance? I'm thinking of doing a full wipe and going to opendesire.
What are the advantages in your opinions between sense and non-sense roms???
Advice much appreciated!

djs_90 said:
Hi all!
Basically....iv used mainly sense roms...tried a few and im with leedroid at the moment...seems very stable and quick and i like the htc goodies....mainly the htc phone, messaging, music and gallery.
Iv also tried CyanogenMod but i didnt get on with it without the sense goodies.
Is there good alternatives for the htc stuff? or did i not give non-sense android a chance? I'm thinking of doing a full wipe and going to opendesire.
What are the advantages in your opinions between sense and non-sense roms???
Advice much appreciated!
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Guess you got your Desire because of Sense, or you could buy a N1
I like HTC stuff, though a UI revamp is likely planned for Gingerbread, so you still shouldn't drop stock Android off yet.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

For me the biggest disadvantage to non-sense roms is the lack of a decent T9 dialler (where you press the number buttons to substitute for letters and it filters your contacts). There is the Dialler One app available but it's nowhere near as good as the Sense one.
If the Sense dialler could be put into a vanilla rom then I would probably be happy.
Using Defrost at the moment.

mshaw03 said:
For me the biggest disadvantage to non-sense roms is the lack of a decent T9 dialler (where you press the number buttons to substitute for letters and it filters your contacts). There is the Dialler One app available but it's nowhere near as good as the Sense one.
If the Sense dialler could be put into a vanilla rom then I would probably be happy.
Using Defrost at the moment.
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Yeh i agree...i use that feature all the time!

K900 said:
Guess you got your Desire because of Sense, or you could buy a N1
I like HTC stuff, though a UI revamp is likely planned for Gingerbread, so you still shouldn't drop stock Android off yet.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
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Yeh that is true i surpose

mshaw03 said:
For me the biggest disadvantage to non-sense roms is the lack of a decent T9 dialler (where you press the number buttons to substitute for letters and it filters your contacts). There is the Dialler One app available but it's nowhere near as good as the Sense one.
If the Sense dialler could be put into a vanilla rom then I would probably be happy.
Using Defrost at the moment.
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How is defrost??
compared to cm and opendesire?

djs_90 said:
Yeh that is true i surpose
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Though CM6 with Fancy Widget- OnOff widgets and ³ player worked fine for me. I still missed the dialer, though. If you only want some stock-ish feeling, go install ADW.Launcher
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

With LeeDrOid sense rom i never used the htc clock and used switchwidget pro with launcher pro...so homescreen wise im not bothered by....its just the dialer, gallery and music mainly.
Also any facebook contact sync apps that are good for contact pictures?

djs_90 said:
With LeeDrOid sense rom i never used the htc clock and used switchwidget pro with launcher pro...so homescreen wise im not bothered by....its just the dialer, gallery and music mainly.
Also any facebook contact sync apps that are good for contact pictures?
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Facebook contact sync is built in to FroYo... I think, if it isn't then it is when you download the Facebook official app.

I havnt tried the facebook app since some updates, but before it didnt work too well

Sense rom = More widgets(htc widgets) , pinchout to select home screens , good dialer.
Non sense rom = More free ram , no htc widgets , no htc sync.
But both of them good with Desire,because Desire is superb

kubilay.demir said:
Sense rom = More widgets(htc widgets) , pinchout to select home screens , good dialer.
Non sense rom = More free ram , no htc widgets , no htc sync.
But both of them good with Desire,because Desire is superb
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Haha i agree with that
how about battery life with the both?

djs_90 said:
Haha i agree with that
how about battery life with the both?
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Both are good with battery life.But for my option non sense is a little better.

Like Mshaw03 HTC dialer and selecting text Copy-past on browser. It's really great on sense. But I prefer the froyo lockscreen, the gray status bar other way I prefer the froyo look and feel.
I'm on OpenDesire 4.0.4
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

Graphics performance is better with non-Sense ROMs because of newer kernel...
just..try it) play Asphalt 5 on Sense ROM then on Non-Sense ROM like OpenDesire...
WITHOUT OC and smth

I love sense too much for it's keyboard, clock and alarm
And HTC sync

Sense roms have better UI, useful apps, widgets and implements but they work slower (according to Quadrant scores)
Non-sense roms work faster(again, according to Quadrant scores), have a little extended battery life. But they have some important lacks. Gallery 3D works slow imo and there is no alternative. They have very basic UI(Google have to do something about that). There is no copy/paste like HTC's. bla bla..
I love both of them but non-sen roms need some time imo.

I just tried opendesire then defrost....defrost has the cm options which i prefer over opendesire. And it feels so much quicker than sense roms.
Does anyone know if n1 cm themes would work with cm rom for desire...hense then work for defrost since it is cm basically???

I use t-mod, an Australian variant of Leedroid. I really dig it, buy I would get rid of Sense in an instant as it does little but slow down Froyo. The only advantages for me are the Data on/off widget, and the fact that it doesn't have the oj and headphone jack death bug. I love the horizontal caller id slider - the Sense up/down one kept answering or declining in my pocket until I got widget locker, which is a great workaround but you have to slide open widget locket before you get to the caller id screen. As soon as the oj death issue is fixed I will change over, no typing app is accurate enough to do without it imho, and none even have forward delete to make it even slightly tolerable.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

Oh, to elaborate, I tried Opendesire, but as I understand it, all non- sense roms have the oj death bug.

[Q] some questions for cm6 users...

hey guys.
i moved on to cm6 final last friday and i'm enjoying the rom.
however, there are a couple of things that are bothering me.
1) the images are way oversaturated. both in the contacts and in the gallery. the color needs to be toned down...is there a way to do that?
2) the thumbnails are HORRIBLE. i like my nice screen and when i call people have their picture show up nicely. in sense the picture would be clear and much bigger. here the picture is tiny and looks like the image was scaled down incorrectly - very jagged and ugly........is there a way to fix this?
3) is there a more sense-like dialer? i dont like the look of this one, yet i prefer it over Dialer One...i really liked the htc dialer
4) im not adjusting well to the vanilla lockscreen. is there an alternative lockscreen? i'm specially interested in a froyo-like clear lockscreen if possible.
any CM6 mods, apps or tricks i should know since i'm coming on to the game so late?
thanks!

Have you tried any sense roms with an AOSP look?
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Really can't bring "sense" into CM6 ... however you can bring some aosp touches to "sense". There are several roms that might be what you're looking for, or you can add some of the apk's yourself for a more custom look.

1) Get the nightly. Has an improved camera.
2) Dunno about this, but opening a ticket in the issue tracker might get some answers.
3) Dialer One is the only thing I've found, which has worked quite well for me.
4) "Froyo-like"? You mean, Sense Froyo? Because this is 100% AOSP right here; it is the Froyo lockscreen... Sooo, dunno what you're looking for here. :/
For tricks, try out the Snap 7.6BFS kernel and play with SetCPU a bit. Might notice your battery life go significantly up.

wmdunn said:
Really can't bring "sense" into CM6 ... however you can bring some aosp touches to "sense". There are several roms that might be what you're looking for, or you can add some of the apk's yourself for a more custom look.
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i wanted to try the full aosp experience. and i like it. i just wish a couple of things could be changed. i dont understand why non-sense apps have to look so non-sense, if you get what i mean.
JuggZaPoppiN said:
Have you tried any sense roms with an AOSP look?
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didnt get to. i have bugless beast on the phone when i bought it (used), then moved on to ava v7 i think, then omj v3.1 for a long time, then quickly ava v9 and that convinced me to take the plunge to cm6...and the way its running and the way i have it looking i think it fits me well.
drmacinyasha said:
1) Get the nightly. Has an improved camera.
2) Dunno about this, but opening a ticket in the issue tracker might get some answers.
3) Dialer One is the only thing I've found, which has worked quite well for me.
4) "Froyo-like"? You mean, Sense Froyo? Because this is 100% AOSP right here; it is the Froyo lockscreen... Sooo, dunno what you're looking for here. :/
For tricks, try out the Snap 7.6BFS kernel and play with SetCPU a bit. Might notice your battery life go significantly up.
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1) sorry i wasnt clear enough. i dont mean pictures taken with the camera...i mean images in general that i have on my sd from before. they didnt look as saturated before moving on to cm6...
4) yes i mean sense...oops.
and i already have the snap kernel and set cpu and i do agree my battery life is making me happy

Max_Pain said:
i wanted to try the full aosp experience. and i like it. i just wish a couple of things could be changed. i dont understand why non-sense apps have to look so non-sense, if you get what i mean.
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I totally understand ... but aosp isn't for everyone. For me, it has a clean, basic, no frills look ... which I like. I actually prefer the aosp dialer, and especially the aosp browser. It's just that there are some non-negotiables, and one of them is the dialer. Sounds like you prefer the "Sense" look, so do a nand backup of CM6 and give a couple of the hybrids a try. TJohnson makes a particularly good one, along with Virus "Airbourne", and VaelPak. Whenever I need a "Sense" based rom, I use MikFroyo, which I have customized with aosp browser, music, launcher pro and a few other apps. Amikam is a very creative guy graphically.
edit: almost forgot, Frost rom by Barnacles ... also, quite good.

[Q] I Really like MIUI but...

There are some things from Sense that I find myself missing. I am hoping that the masses can assist in getting my tweaking right. The reason I am really excited about it is the speed. It seems leaps and bounds faster than any Sense rom I have run.
I am currently running version v.0.12.11.1.
City ID: I assume this is what gives me the City and State info when a call comes through.
LauncherPro. I can't deal with the way MIUI does the home screens, and Launcher Pro seems to fit the bill for the most part.
Weather: I am totally in love with the weather widget in the clock on sense, how it gives you the weather effects over your home screen. Is there a way to get this without the clock? I am going for a clean home screen but would like that weather.
Facebook contacts:Whenever I tell facebook to connect with my contacts, and only with ones already in my phone book, it still adds people. I want it to import only with contacts already in my list. Is there a way to get this to work right?
The other MIUI features I guess are not a huge deal to me. The lock screen is pretty awesome, it comes with the FM radio app for my incredible which is great. I really hate not having the app drawer. Overall the speed is what got me.
Is there a fast sense rom out there I should use instead? I assume I could mod things like the dialer and lock screen if I wanted right?
Any opinions and suggestions are appreciated and welcomed. I just can't sit still on a rom!

Redemption 2.3 is a VERY nice Sense ROM

Shiftyshadee said:
Redemption 2.3 is a VERY nice Sense ROM
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I have used it before, but it just seems sluggish compared to something like MIUI. Could this be true?
Forgive the noobish questions, but are there different kernels you can run with a rom for more speed?

I believe MIUI is somewhat of an AOSP based ROM (someone correct me if I'm wrong) and Sense based ROMs will always feel slightly slower than those.
HeyItsLou has a few kernels that he made that work well with his ROMs try 'em out

[Q]Which rom suits me the best?

Yo, I am looking for a rom for DZ that has:
- Friendstreamlike twitter/facebook notifications
- Radio app
- good battery life
- HTC clocklike clock
- Advanced power managing(like in MIUI).
Which rom should I choose or should I stick with sense?

I think Sense would be your best bet. (I don't even like Sense, hehe)
I don't know if cyanogen can do friendstream, but it can do twitter and FB notifications. I love MIUI, but a radio app isn't developed yet. Any ROM can have the HTC clock with the Beautiful Widgets app.
Give cyanogen RC4 a shot with beautiful widgets and lose the friendstream. Your phone will probably run a lot faster too =)

You don't have to lose the friend stream. If you're going to Cyanogen, you could always install LauncherPro. It has a nice Facebook widget that's pretty much identical to friend stream except it's just Facebook.
It also has ones for Twitter and Flickr as well, they're just not all combined. If you only really use one this would be a great option for you.

Hmm, decided to stick with the Sense ROM. Another question: should I use the gingebread senserom or virtuous?

They are both great. Try each for a couple of days and see which one you miss more when you switch, perhaps. It's what I do....all the time
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA App

sense is definitly best choice for you, i think you might like gingerbread sense a bit more. Nothing super different, but it's the little things.

If you've made your choice, let us know your findings.

Hmm, decided to stick with the GingerSense. Virtuous eats my battery, and I don't use the additional features... and gingersense is kinda better looking

[Q] CM7 vrs Stock on the DHD

Hey guys,
So I'm getting a little impatient with waiting for Gingerbread on my DHD and was thinking of going to CM7 now that its Final. Previous Custom ROMS so far havn't really done it for me. I kinda like the reliablility and battery life etc of the stock build.
Has anyone tried CM7 on the DHD who could maybe give a little account of how it worked out (battery life etc)?
Thanks

jamieboy88 said:
Hey guys,
So I'm getting a little impatient with waiting for Gingerbread on my DHD and was thinking of going to CM7 now that its Final. Previous Custom ROMS so far havn't really done it for me. I kinda like the reliablility and battery life etc of the stock build.
Has anyone tried CM7 on the DHD who could maybe give a little account of how it worked out (battery life etc)?
Thanks
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Battery life is superb on CM7 and much better than the Gingerbread Sense ROMs. I take it you have tried the latest Desire S builds? I recommend RCMix if you haven't. If you are wanting the pure Google experience though, you have nothing to fear with CM7.
Regards.

Stock rom offers a better connection between all the social networks, better stock widgets and htc sense camera app. hmmm i did have CM7 for while and i loved it but its just the camera app that did it for me, i guess im just too used to HTC sense !

I had no problems with CM7 either. Very nice rom. Camera App is nice. Audio is great. Having or not having HTC Sense is a big decision maker. Once or if you get bored of Sense, then you will really enjoy a rom like CM7 for all its other differences. If it could have the Sense Weather animations and clock, Touch Input keyboard and HTC Reader 2.0 - it could be my ideal rom at this point.
Although I'm a relative noob with trying the many Android roms.

Grant Barker said:
I had no problems with CM7 either. Very nice rom. Camera App is nice. Audio is great. Having or not having HTC Sense is a big decision maker. Once or if you get bored of Sense, then you will really enjoy a rom like CM7 for all its other differences. If it could have the Sense Weather animations and clock, Touch Input keyboard and HTC Reader 2.0 - it could be my ideal rom at this point.
Although I'm a relative noob with trying the many Android roms.
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The clock, albeit not with the flip function, can be found all over the internet. Search for Fancy Widget (Sense Clock) to find it. If you can't and desperately need it, I will pm you the apk upon request, although will have to dig it out first. Keyboard? I'm confused as to exactly what you mean, but you can use the HTC keyboard on CM7 as well as numerous other replacements. HTC Reader??!! No way! Aldiko and Laputa both make HTC's attempt look poor. Not to mention Kindle.
Personally, the slight nuances of pure Android are what I find hard to resist. The transition animations, which were present on the Donut Sense UI but inexplicably left out since 2.1, are a big one. I know you can find ROMs which include the different animations or use Launcher Pro, but they never operate 100% and stutter/glitch at random moments. Even the way the keyboard bounces onto the screen rather than just "appearing" gives a more polished feel. The clean simple UI, which lacks the clutter and plethora of menu's that Sense incorporates is a dream to navigate, and the overall speed of the OS is unrivalled. I guess for the "average user", Sense is a comfortable, intuitive blanket which makes Android accessible for the masses. In the Windows Mobile days and arguably when Cupcake/Donut were still in use, it was a necessity. Since 2.1 however, I feel it is no longer needed as the Android UI has evolved to a point where it should appeal to anyone.
Regards.
EDIT: Just seen your website Grant! Forgive the app recommendations, I see you are already well versed in alternatives.

Thanks guys!!
Im still not sure! I wasn't the interface i was worried about! I've given the customs a whirl and its been more the reliability and performance that have brought me back to the stock ROM. I've downloaded the CM7 zip! might give it a chance over the weekend before the week starts over! Ill always have my back-up for when HTC decide to give us an official release of 2.3.3.
Maybe ill never go back once i try CM7!
cheers

if your a gameloft gamer, i suggest sticking with a sense 2.2 rom. if your a audiophile, cm7.

So using it now! Love the look and feel except I find that its a big sticky when swiping between homescreens. Any suggestions?
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jamieboy88 said:
So using it now! Love the look and feel except I find that its a big sticky when swiping between homescreens. Any suggestions?
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Try a different launcher. Launcher Pro is one of the smoothest.
Regards.

The Regina 3D Launcher is one I've only just heard of - thanks to Pocketnow.com.
For anyone who hasn't tried CyanogenMod 7 - there are some screenshots here.
I've only tried 3 Roms so far on Android. It would be nice to have an ongoing poll based on member's records or vote or something to see which ones are the most popular.

Grant Barker said:
For anyone who hasn't tried CyanogenMod 7 - there are some screenshots here.
I've only tried 3 Roms so far on Android. It would be nice to have an ongoing poll based on member's records or vote or something to see which ones are the most popular.
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One thing I found missing is the ability to hide certain albums within the gallery. A nice feature when you've lots of crap on you SD card! Also having the GPS issue that seems pretty widespread.
Other than that, battery life = more awesome than Stock!