I started this thread because of the increase in battery bulging/swelling/failure I have noticed in our threads. I hope this will help educate others (as well as myself) of things we unknowingly do day to day, that may be causing our batteries premature failure.
Do you, by chance, carry your phone around in your pocket? If so, you may see a bulge in your pants that you weren't expecting!
I have seen an increase in bulging batteries and premature failure in these threads. I have been using the OEM battery since release day of the phone. My son bought his E4GT and mine the same day. He carries his phone in his pocket, and I carry mine in an open holster. Besides this, the only real difference to how he and I use our phones are...
I'm a flash-a-holic, he's not so much. I charge my battery for the sake of charging it (never know when the next leak/ROM update will be) , he typically waits until charging is necessary.
About 5 months ago, or so, his battery started bulging and draining very fast. A couple months ago he had to replace his battery due to it not keeping a charge more than a couple hours (even when not in use). My battery size and discharge time hasn't seemed to have changed much, if even at all.
I have a hunch that premature battery death is largely due to the extra heat to the phone your body generates while your phone is in your pocket, along with no air movement to keep it cool..... just my 2©
I know there are many other factors to consider when addressing an issue such as this. Please feel free to post anything else that may HELP someone with their battling battery bulge and excessive drainage.
If you have experienced the bulging battery phenomenon, please let us know if you carry your phone in your pocket or in a holster, as well as anything else that may have contributed in your experience. This may help others in preventing premature battery failure.
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And more great advice to prevent premature battery failure from our friends on XDA. Please thank them if they have helped you.
THANK YOU
Listed by page in the order received...
MiguelHogue- #2 excessive heat
BluesRulez- #5 cases that cover all edges
Patrao_n- #6 multi layer cases
bleyten- #9 car charger
MoHoGalore- #12 inconsistent or under/over charging from cheaper travel chargers
tuscani1821- #20 article link
MoHoGalore- #22 increasing temperature during charging
RainMotorsports- #30 hard impacts can destabilize a lithium ion cell
tuscani1821- #34 partial charging often
If I have missed any, please bring it to my attention, it wasn't intentional. OP still under construction..Thank you
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I carry my phone in my pocket all the time as well since the day I got my phone.. But now I will try to start using a holster.. But thinking about it now I do think heat is a huge factor to these bulging batteries going bad especially in the hotter months
-TeaM VeNuM Like A Boss
MiguelHogue said:
I carry my phone in my pocket all the time as well since the day I got my phone.. But now I will try to start using a holster.. But thinking about it now I do think heat is a huge factor to these bulging batteries going bad especially in the hotter months
-TeaM VeNuM Like A Boss
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That's what I'm thinking too. I know some people tether and have their screens brightness turned way up etc.. That cause the phone to heat up too.... but they don't do that all day. I'm thinking one could get away with heat to the battery in small doses, but the extra body heat for extended amounts of time may be what puts on that last straw.
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This was a good read. After many weeks of my sister complaining about her phone over heating after ICS update whenever it's in her pockets this kind of makes sense. The other night I fell asleep with my phone in bed and I happened to roll on top of it. When I awoke my phone was really hot till I sat it on my night stand for a few. Didn't even have to power it off. So maybe some of our phones are overheating and killing batteries while in tight spots with no air circulation. This is strange to me since I have never experienced it on GB. My sister has a Evo3D running ICS so maybe it's an ICS issue? Either way from now on I'm keeping my phone out in the open.
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Also the cases would cause this. My case used to seal all edges.
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I would also think having a multi layer case such as ballistic would be bad too. As you said you have a holster. Does your phone have a case and then clips in? I would think the layers on the back would also help build heat.
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That's what I'm thinking too. I know some people tether and have their screens brightness turned way up etc.. That cause the phone to heat up too.... but they don't do that all day. I'm thinking one could get away with heat to the battery in small doses, but the extra body heat for extended amounts of time may be what puts on that last straw.
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I was reading a something at battery university, and to the extent they said to put your battery in the fridge every once in a while to help preserve the battery.. Not like freeze it or anything extreme like that.. Just for maybe a few minutes or so.. Away from wet items as well
-TeaM VeNuM Like A Boss
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I would also think having a multi layer case such as ballistic would be bad too. As you said you have a holster. Does your phone have a case and then clips in? I would think the layers on the back would also help build heat.
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Yes, unlike a pouch, my holster wraps around the back of the phone and clips to the phone (always attached and easily detached) and it clips into the quick release holder on my belt, face toward body.
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FWIW, the Spirit store told me the biggest contributor to overheating batteries causing them to go bad is the car charger.
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Do you, by chance, carry your phone around in your pocket? If so, you may see a bulge in your pants that you weren't expecting!
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I almost stopped reading after that. Thinking it was a dirty joke
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FWIW, the Spirit store told me the biggest contributor to overheating batteries causing them to go bad is the car charger.
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Why would that do it???
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Why would that do it???
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Inconsistent or under/over charging from cheaper travel chargers have been issues for phones since they were made.
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djjosh said:
I almost stopped reading after that. Thinking it was a dirty joke
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I just thought that approach would spark interest in reading thru..
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FWIW, the Spirit store told me the biggest contributor to overheating batteries causing them to go bad is the car charger.
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Inconsistent or under/over charging from cheaper travel chargers have been issues for phones since they were made.
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More good advice.. thank you
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I think this bulge is kind of just a placebo affect. Complaints never came until JB was released with big battery drains.
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I think this bulge is kind of just a placebo affect. Complaints never came until JB was released with big battery drains.
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Again, only from my experience.. my son mentioned in OP has never ran JB on his phone, but I do as a daily driver. He has only recently switched to ICS from GB. So I'm not so sure that the JB based ROMs are to blame for the physical battery bulging so much that one can barely keep the back on the phone.
JB battery drain= yes
JB battery bulge= not so much
As far as placebo.. That's one awesome thread in general... check it out.. you'll love it's effect :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1748208
"PROJECTLACEBO" - For E4GT Optimization
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hrffd said:
I think this bulge is kind of just a placebo affect. Complaints never came until JB was released with big battery drains.
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Not that i completely disagree, but look at the life span of the phone and the timing of usable jb builds.
Coincidental timing for the life of the existing battery usage maybe?
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MoHoGalore said:
Not that i completely disagree, but look at the life span of the phone and the timing of usable jb builds.
Coincidental timing for the life of the existing battery usage maybe?
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Just what I was thinking, but couldn't have said it better myself. Totally agree with that statement.
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Just what I was thinking, but couldn't have said it better myself. Totally agree with that statement.
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It would be hard to point the finger at any build in my opinion.
How would you quantify a battery life cycle with not knowing build date, x's charged/discharged, etc.
New phone users, used phone users, 1 time owners have posted this very issue.
But i digress; I'm of the opinion that mass produced, non ISO certified manufactures are just as much to blame as a 5 dollar charger you can get at 7/11. But seeing as how i work for the only remaining source lead smelter in the US, i get a first hand knowledge of manufactures issues. (Speaking generally, not about nicad or lithium directly. An overall assessment. Manufacture process.)
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I came across this article. Has some useful info
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/safety_circuits_for_modern_batteries
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Quick question, I've got a bricked evo that I have'nt touched in months. The battery has been useless inside the phone's box since then but a couple of days ago I noticed the battery looks like it expanded or exploded from the inside. Any idea of what could of caused this?
Very curious.
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If it was never charged for a while and left on a cool environment I would say that the battery was just bad, if you had it on a hot place like on the glove compartment inside your car then it overheated. Either way I hope you discard it.
Any lump on a battery means you need to dispose of it..I've heard of some crazy stuff lol.
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Dispose of it immediately. If you try to use it or charge it, it will likely explode.
Oh I would never attempt to use it again, I was just a little curious as to why this would happen. Thanks all!
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Oh I would never attempt to use it again, I was just a little curious as to why this would happen. Thanks all!
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old batteries tend to do that...
Well I have been working on getting a new job, which is why I have been away recently. And with the new job come a new iPhone 4S and iPad 2. This will be the first time I have ever played with apple products for an extended period. So I am looking forward to trying something new. But from the little I have played with them both I really wish it were a pair of android devices.
I will be the first to say congrats on a new job in this tough economy. I am sure it will be fun and from the sounds of it rewarding too.
On my Epic mobile phone.
This is a good ipad 2 video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwV_KNAx00Y&feature=youtube_gdata_player
We need a way to install android on apples devices.
What's your new job?
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their hardware is great. The only thing that gets me is the locked down OS. Do you plan on jailbreaking either one?
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And then a little late you will wish that Android has that one app you have on your I pad/phone. It won't be enough to make you like ios better, but it certainly will annoy you. And by you I mean me lol
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their hardware is great. The only thing that gets me is the locked down OS. Do you plan on jailbreaking either one?
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The iPhone 4 took a year and a half for untethered jailbreak for the most recent ios. To me, that is unacceptable. I hope you're making lots of money because the app store will certainly be taking lots of it. One suggestion i will make to anyone with that phone is, go to best buy and get the mophie juicepack plus. It's $100, but it's a good case with a 2000ma battery built in to complement the phone battery. Keep the switch on all the time to top off charge the phone battery all day. If you notice the battery percentage dropping but it still has the plug icon on the battery, turn the switch off then on and that will fix it. You might think that a hundred is crazy to pay for a case/battery. Let me put it to you this way, you can hammer on the phone all day and night with heavy everything usage and the phone will not go dead. Games, internet, streaming, videos, movies, whatever, you will be hard pressed to have the phone die on you. It makes the phone bigger and heavier but with 19 hours on and using the phone a lot and still have 40-60% battery left, that's pretty awesome in my book. That setup puts our extended life replacement batteries to shame!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56T_dpKmKBU&feature=youtube_gdata_player
You'll get longer battery run time if you let the mophie top off charge the already charged phone battery all day. If you do it like it is explained in the video, your run times between charges will be less.
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The iPhone 4 took a year and a half for untethered jailbreak for the most recent ios. To me, that is unacceptable. I hope you're making lots of money because the app store will certainly be taking lots of it. One suggestion i will make to anyone with that phone is, go to best buy and get the mophie juicepack plus. It's $100, but it's a good case with a 2000ma battery built in to complement the phone battery. Keep the switch on all the time to top off charge the phone battery all day. If you notice the battery percentage dropping but it still has the plug icon on the battery, turn the switch off then on and that will fix it. You might think that a hundred is crazy to pay for a case/battery. Let me put it to you this way, you can hammer on the phone all day and night with heavy everything usage and the phone will not go dead. Games, internet, streaming, videos, movies, whatever, you will be hard pressed to have the phone die on you. It makes the phone bigger and heavier but with 19 hours on and using the phone a lot and still have 40-60% battery left, that's pretty awesome in my book. That setup puts our extended life replacement batteries to shame!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56T_dpKmKBU&feature=youtube_gdata_player
You'll get longer battery run time if you let the mophie top off charge the already charged phone battery all day. If you do it like it is explained in the video, your run times between charges will be less.
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I wish we had that for our phone lol
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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kc_exactly said:
I will be the first to say congrats on a new job in this tough economy. I am sure it will be fun and from the sounds of it rewarding too.
On my Epic mobile phone.
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Thank you very much. I appreciate that.
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Android300ZX said:
What's your new job?
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Director of IT.
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eao1991 said:
their hardware is great. The only thing that gets me is the locked down OS. Do you plan on jailbreaking either one?
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Most definitely. It looks like the jailbreak will be released in about a week. That is about the time I get my devices so it should be good timing.
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And then a little late you will wish that Android has that one app you have on your I pad/phone. It won't be enough to make you like ios better, but it certainly will annoy you. And by you I mean me lol
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Lol
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The iPhone 4 took a year and a half for untethered jailbreak for the most recent ios. To me, that is unacceptable. I hope you're making lots of money because the app store will certainly be taking lots of it. One suggestion i will make to anyone with that phone is, go to best buy and get the mophie juicepack plus. It's $100, but it's a good case with a 2000ma battery built in to complement the phone battery. Keep the switch on all the time to top off charge the phone battery all day. If you notice the battery percentage dropping but it still has the plug icon on the battery, turn the switch off then on and that will fix it. You might think that a hundred is crazy to pay for a case/battery. Let me put it to you this way, you can hammer on the phone all day and night with heavy everything usage and the phone will not go dead. Games, internet, streaming, videos, movies, whatever, you will be hard pressed to have the phone die on you. It makes the phone bigger and heavier but with 19 hours on and using the phone a lot and still have 40-60% battery left, that's pretty awesome in my book. That setup puts our extended life replacement batteries to shame!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56T_dpKmKBU&feature=youtube_gdata_player
You'll get longer battery run time if you let the mophie top off charge the already charged phone battery all day. If you do it like it is explained in the video, your run times between charges will be less.
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Fortunately it looks like a jailbreak will be released before I get the devices. Also since this is for work there are only a couple of apps that I will need. I will still have my beloved E4GT for all the fun stuff. And thanks for the advice. I will check that out.
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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LOL. And sorry for the late responses. I went to bed shortly after I posted.
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My friend has that snap on battery case on his iPhone. He said he can't get through the day on the iPhone battery alone (funny my ET4g can) he loves the fact that it has a micro USB port to charge so he can use my charger or anyone else's, when he needs it. The case does look like a good case for the phone, I'd get one if they made one for mineo
Director of IT can't decide to use Android? Strict bosses?
Regardless, I wish you the best, and thank you for all you've done for the community.
Are u still gonna develop on Android? Btw Congrats man. Awesome job bro.
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cds0699 said:
Director of IT can't decide to use Android? Strict bosses?
Regardless, I wish you the best, and thank you for all you've done for the community.
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I could probably sway them but everyone in the company uses those devices and I am new so no need to rock the boat. And thank you that is appreciated.
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Are u still gonna develop on Android? Btw Congrats man. Awesome job bro.
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Definitely. I still have my phone and love it.
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So how do batteries get "out of calibration" (if they do)? It would seem to be an issue of the phone not recognizing when a battery is fully charged, so it would not charge completely when...well...charging... Would using the ever-popular "reboot" feature lead to that?
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Cluefree said:
So how do batteries get "out of calibration" (if they do)? It would seem to be an issue of the phone not recognizing when a battery is fully charged, so it would not charge completely when...well...charging... Would using the ever-popular "reboot" feature lead to that?
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Lithium Ion batteries need no calibration. That was a big thing when Nickel Batteries were being used.
Some people sware by it and say it works. But I believe its a placebo effect. If your having battery issues its probably just a bad battery, that tends to happen from time to time.
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Speedin07si said:
Lithium Ion batteries need no calibration. That was a big thing when Nickel Batteries were being used.
Some people sware by it and say it works. But I believe its a placebo effect. If your having battery issues its probably just a bad battery, that tends to happen from time to time.
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I fully appreciate that battery calibration wouldn't be affecting the batteries per se...was wondering if it was really more of calibrating how the phone itself measures or tracks the charge state. I certainly appreciate your position though..since I've often thought that too. In the end....I really don't know.
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I wish I could find a link to the article I read, but Lion batteries have circuitry in them that prevents them from over charging, the battery reports what it has.
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It seems like there are a lot of smart people with opinions on this...
May be time for me to just buy a new battery...they don't look too expensive online...
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Cluefree said:
It seems like there are a lot of smart people with opinions on this...
May be time for me to just buy a new battery...they don't look too expensive online...
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Get the gs2 1850 mah batteries they fit right in stock cover and charge normally as well. I've had this phone since first release and let me tell you I have 2 batteries since release and 2 newer ones and I get way shorter life on the older batteries.
http://www.androidcentral.com/wiping-battery-stats-doesnt-improve-battery-life-says-google-engineer
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http://www.androidcentral.com/wiping-battery-stats-doesnt-improve-battery-life-says-google-engineer
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So I have never cleared my battery stats as they were talking about in that article (and the million comments with it)... I have done the fully charge and then discharge cycles....which I always had thought was a waste of time with lithium ion batteries... There was a lot of...interesting dissenting comments in that article...
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Thanks
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Just got my 3800mah battery in the mail and I'll be posting stats and screen shots comparing the two. Everyone else feel free to do the same or share your experience with the two.
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Absolutely love my 3800mah battery. All day, no matter what the usage. Wouldn't trade it and it's huge backside for anything lol
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Absolutely love my 3800mah battery. All day, no matter what the usage. Wouldn't trade it and it's huge backside for anything lol
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I can't, can't, can't, for the life of me get with those fat backs! It's just such an eye sore... And this phones so sleek. I'm curious to kno what's the largest (mah) battery you've seen without the aftermarket back?
I thought I was gonna hate the huge back too but had to try it and I gotta say... not that bad.... kinda like it even. I feel less likely to drop it.
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RussellEstridge25 said:
I thought I was gonna hate the huge back too but had to try it and I gotta say... not that bad.... kinda like it even. I feel less likely to drop it.
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Same here, it's like having a dinner slip grip . I think there's a 2100 that fits under the stock back plate
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I think its easier to hold with the back and I can get well over 6 hours screen time with the brightness up to about 75%. I got mine last weekend and I'm still amazed how long I use it and I get paranoid about the battery then look at it and its still all the way charged. I got the trexcell and its awesome so far. I'm at 13 hours on my charge right now with 1 hour and 2 minutes on the screen all web browsing and its at 75%.
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I think its easier to hold with the back and I can get well over 6 hours screen time with the brightness up to about 75%. I got mine last weekend and I'm still amazed how long I use it and I get paranoid about the battery then look at it and its still all the way charged. I got the trexcell and its awesome so far. I'm at 13 hours on my charge right now with 1 hour and 2 minutes on the screen all web browsing and its at 75%.
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Nice!!!
I'm in that same boat. I have a full comparison to. My girl has a stock battery in hers and my big ole battery lasts three times as long as hers lol
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I was just sick of battery being an issue for me on most Roms... And our phones are so slim already a little bulk don't hurt.
Which battery specifically did you get? I'm thinking of getting one myself actually, almost got stuck in the middle of a totally unknown location because my battery was almost dead. Not a fun predicament, I'll say that much.
Lol I usually never complain about any ROM cause I know my extended will still get me through the day any day
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Same here, it's like having a dinner slip grip . I think there's a 2100 that fits under the stock back plate
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This would be good to have... where can it be purchased?
I got the Hyperion on amazon.
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I thought I was gonna hate the huge back too but had to try it and I gotta say... not that bad.... kinda like it even. I feel less likely to drop it.
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The bellybutton where the camera lens used to be is sexy too!
(I just carry a spare battery in my wallet and have a wall charger. I get 3600mah w/o the baggage)
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kingsway8605 said:
The bellybutton where the camera lens used to be is sexy too!
(I just carry a spare battery in my wallet and have a wall charger. I get 3600mah w/o the baggage)
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That sounds like baggage to me I don't have to carry a wall charger or an extra batter
kingsway8605 said:
The bellybutton where the camera lens used to be is sexy too!
(I just carry a spare battery in my wallet and have a wall charger. I get 3600mah w/o the baggage)
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I second that opinion. I got two batteries and a wall charger for the batteries(outside the phone) for like $20 on amazon. Very happy with them and keep it slim and sexy.
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I think its easier to hold with the back and I can get well over 6 hours screen time with the brightness up to about 75%. I got mine last weekend and I'm still amazed how long I use it and I get paranoid about the battery then look at it and its still all the way charged. I got the trexcell and its awesome so far. I'm at 13 hours on my charge right now with 1 hour and 2 minutes on the screen all web browsing and its at 75%.
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Which one did u buy?
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Which one did u buy?
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The brand on it is qcell. I've had them about 4 months and they are easily as good as the OE battery. Though I believe they are advertised as 1950 as opposed to our 1800. For $20 you can't go wrong.
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I have 2 batteries so I get to enjoy my slim and sexy Epic 4G Touch without all the junk in the trunk.
Charge one to 100% then swap it and charge to other to 100% and there's no need to carry a charger with me when I leave the house.
It's not that hard to pop the back off and swap batteries...
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That sounds like baggage to me I don't have to carry a wall charger or an extra batter
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I don't carry the extra charger silly!
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I use my phone a LOT. Everyday, I end up charging it from around 30% to fully charged about two or three times a day.
How is this going to affect the life of my battery? How long should I expect my battery to last at this rate? I've never given it much thought before, as I've always had a removable battery, making replacement cheap and easy, but the LGOG just has to be different...
Dude stop being so OCD. A battery is good for about 2 years and by then who cares if the battery goes bad.
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Ya you'll have a new phone by then!
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Thanks. I didn't consider it being OCD. As I said, I've never really thought of it before, and I was just curious. Thanks again!