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Deck vs Vaelpak GB ROMs

I have seen a number of threads comparing and analyzing the different ROMs. I have extensively used two of the leading contenders for "best GB ROM" - Deck's GB ROM (1.2 stable released yesterday) and Vaelpak 0.2.1 (released a few days ago). Here is a list of pros and cons that I noticed - I may have missed some so please jump in and add to the list in this thread. Maybe we can put together a comprehensive list of differences (knowing, of course, that it is always a moving target).
Please note that I ran both ROMs with Tiamat 4.0.5-sbc kernel. Results may be different with different kernels.
Also, by no means am I saying that these are the best ROMs out there. These are just the two that I have extensively used and can therefore compare/contrast first hand.
So here goes ...
Deck's GB ROM v1.2
1. Minimalist and lightweight ROM - default Android Launcher.
2. Minimalist themes, no special wallpapers, fonts, icons, etc.
3. GPS works out of the box (was a problem with earlier versions of the ROM).
4. Wifi, BT and 4G work without issues, except ...
5. Wireless tethering works, but sometimes stops playing well with 4G. i.e. you will be tethered, and even with 4G on you will be getting 3G speeds. This is not consistent behavior - sometimes tethering works great with 4G.
6. I have not experienced any wakelock issues.
7. About 10% more battery life with Tiamat kernal than Vaelpak.
8. ROM is very stable - very few app FCs, practically no reboots.
9. Netflix works.
Vaelpak 0.2.1
1. Comes packaged with Go Launcher.
2. More inbuilt themes, wallpapers, fonts, widgets.
3. GPS, Wifi, BT, 4G and tethering work without any issues.
4. Less stable than Deck's ROM (Note - the developer does explicitly state that this is a work-in-progress, so things should improve on this front). There are some random reboots, wakelock issues.
5. Comes packaged with CPU profiles and undervolting scripts. You can underclock/overclock and undervolt without SetCPU or vipermod scripts. A big plus. (Note - it is possible to do all of this on Deck's ROM, just needs a few additional steps by the user).
6. Comes packaged with DT apps2sd. Again, a big convenience removing the need to do this manually.
7. Packaged email app does not support "Select All". Had to point this out since it is a rather big negative for me. (Note - this is in the dev's list of planned enhancements).
8. No packaged FM radio app.
9. Netflix works.
So in essence, as of today the Deck ROM is more stable and "safer", but Vaelpak has enough packed in features to make it quite formidable.

Default launcher in Decks is ADW (free), I believe.

Prugor said:
Default launcher in Decks is ADW (free), I believe.
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The default launcher in Decks is Launcher 2.
I tried out Vaelpack preview last week and it was really nice but lacks a few things i enjoy. Deck as striped the rom to the point that you have to install a lot more then desired. Both are great roms hand down. I'm just going to wait for VP to get a more stable beta going and once he adds the theme chooser i might just jump ship

i would have to say deck because he updates his thread alot and always adds new things.
im not 100% on this but when was the last time Vaelek put out a new rom or updates his previous work?

Joey_UFC said:
i would have to say deck because he updates his thread alot and always adds new things.
im not 100% on this but when was the last time Vaelek put out a new rom or updates his previous work?
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Actually Vaelek's GB ROM (Vaelpak4 v0.2) was released on May 31, and v0.2.1 was released June 20. He is also very active on his forum, and maintains a public list of items/fixes that he is currently working on. Very informative, and will give you a great picture of what is coming soon.

Having not used either, but being familiar with both Dev's ROMs, I can say right now Decks, because it's been out longer and had more testing, etc.
I didn't know Vaelpak was putting a GB ROM together, but I promise you, when he get's it finalized, it will be amazing.
His Senseless ROM was a daily driver for me for a long time. Every detail gets paid attention to in his ROMs.

peterpunn said:
Actually Vaelek's GB ROM (Vaelpak4 v0.2) was released on May 31, and v0.2.1 was released June 20. He is also very active on his forum, and maintains a public list of items/fixes that he is currently working on. Very informative, and will give you a great picture of what is coming soon.
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on XDA?
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HipKat said:
Having not used either, but being familiar with both Dev's ROMs, I can say right now Decks, because it's been out longer and had more testing, etc.
I didn't know Vaelpak was putting a GB ROM together, but I promise you, when he get's it finalized, it will be amazing.
His Senseless ROM was a daily driver for me for a long time. Every detail gets paid attention to in his ROMs.
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i would have to agree with this but i was more of a KushDeck user for a long time lol
I tried 1 of Vaeleks roms and i can't think of any issues but it was a long time ago.

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http://vaelek.com/index.php?/forum/47-vaelpak-gingerbread-aosp/

peterpunn said:
http://vaelek.com/index.php?/forum/47-vaelpak-gingerbread-aosp/
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thats why i haven't seen it. he is no longer posting on xda

VP hands down

many vpgb .2.1 preview (not even beta yet) users like myself, who read and ask for solutions find them simply and as a result find this current version of the preview to be very stable and very quick, plus it looks great. i can't wait til it actually hits the beta stage because right now it is more final than a lot of final roms i've used.
ropodope

Vaelpak! Any arguments that the developer hasn't updated or anything like that are mostly incorrect. He just hasn't updated anything on XDA, because he's not on XDA anymore. He runs his own site and his own forum, and he's very active there.
Heck, try them both for a few days and see which YOU like best. They're free.

you didn't? any look at his official forum would have told you this some time ago. come on over, get involved. http://www.vaelek.com
ropodope

SilverZero said:
Vaelpak! Any arguments that the developer hasn't updated or anything like that are mostly incorrect. He just hasn't updated anything on XDA, because he's not on XDA anymore. He runs his own site and his own forum, and he's very active there.
Heck, try them both for a few days and see which YOU like best. They're free.
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yeah i didn't know that. because xda has a community of 4 million people. virus and other devs have their own sites but still post on here. so i thought if your not on xda then your not doing work anymore lol obviously i was wrong.
i will try out Vaelek new work when i get the chance. im loving the alliance rom right now

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you didn't? any look at his official forum would have told you this some time ago. come on over, get involved. http://www.vaelek.com
ropodope
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but will i get infected

I used Deck's for a while and later switched to Vaelpak's. I like Vaelpak's much more because of its features and community. Even though it's in its preview stage, it is VERY stable. The community is so responsive and helpful. Another thing is that Deck finished his ROM, Vaelpak started just like 2 months ago and already has a beast of a ROM.

Just to chime in here...
XDA does have a massive user base yes. But with that, comes a massive idiot base, over-inflated egos, and too many people that can't be bothered to read an OP in its entirety.. I do come back to post here when there is something worth posting about. The users at my forum are MUCH more well mannered and helpful overall. If you want to be told to search, RTFM, stop being a noob, read through 300 pages to find the answer, then XDA is the place to be. The main reason there is no post for my GB preview here is because as of right now there is no public source available and I don't need the XDA police breathing down my neck or editing my posts because of it.
On another note, thanks for the props to those that have been giving them to my preview

VP is the best. Jim you are the best in my book

vaelek said:
Just to chime in here...
XDA does have a massive user base yes. But with that, comes a massive idiot base, over-inflated egos, and too many people that can't be bothered to read an OP in its entirety.. I do come back to post here when there is something worth posting about. The users at my forum are MUCH more well mannered and helpful overall. If you want to be told to search, RTFM, stop being a noob, read through 300 pages to find the answer, then XDA is the place to be. The main reason there is no post for my GB preview here is because as of right now there is no public source available and I don't need the XDA police breathing down my neck or editing my posts because of it.
On another note, thanks for the props to those that have been giving them to my preview
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THIS
Head over to Vaelek's forums if there was doubt in if his work is supported and ongoing. Extremely responsive on his forums, you would be hard pressed to find any lengthy span of days where Vaelek hasn't answered questions or posted fixes to issues brought up in the forums on his site. The guy is machine constantly helping out his user base.
Now for the roms, I actually originally suggested to vaelek using Decks rom as base for his work (but there is no public source). Decks rom is great but the added features and amazing dev support is what keeps me going back to Vaelpak roms.

[Q] Looking to root for the first time (stickies read)

I've had my EVO since late last year and have finally gotten around to deciding it is time to root my phone. I picked up my new microSDHC card the other night and have a few questions. Following the sticky's advice I am asking what ROM you would recommend based upon what I am looking for in a ROM:
- General day-to-day functionality. I wont be upgrading my ROM every week. It may be upgraded once a month or two so I need it to be reliable and more or less functioning at or near full capacity at this point. I understand that nothing is perfect with ROMs but I do need something reliable.
- GPS. The stock GPS has been nothing but trouble for me. I need it to actually work better than the stock GPS system does. It appears there are script changes that can be done here to improve GPS functionality but I am not too familiar with how to approach this with custom ROMs.
- FLAC/misc audio support. I would like to be able to play my music. My big goal is to be able to play music and use my GPS at the same time without my music skipping or my GPS flaking out on me. This currently happens now and is likely due to needing to do a hard reset but why not improve what I've got while I fix it?
- Better 3G functionality. Currently my 3G speeds (San Diego/Carlsbad region) are absolutely horrible. I honestly question whether or not I'm on dial up some of the time. I know this has to do with PRL/Script tweaks but I figure I need to start somewhere.
- Free wireless tether capability. It would be nice to have the option.
- A functioning camera. I am not too concerned about the HD recording issues I've read about CM7 but I am interested in the camera improvements that I have heard that go on in custom ROMs.
- 4G isn't a necessity as its barely in my area right now. It wouldn't hurt to have but I don't require it.
My other questions are:
- Is there really that big of a difference between Sense & AOSP? Sense is a UI system and the graphics that go along with it correct? What is AOSP and aside from using less memory is there really that big of a difference?
- Is there anything else I should do besides getting Nandroid & Titanium back-up prior to going the rooting route?
- Will there be adverse effects in modifying scripts on ROMs? I'm speaking in regards to http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1227269. I understand that I must be very careful as some of these are powerful adjustments.
- What other threads should I be thoroughly looking at in order to have a better rooting experience?
I understand that I am asking a few long questions but I am hoping to have all my questions answered here so I can properly utilize my phone. I've done my best to look through the stickied threads and answer my others questions but these are the ones that have stuck with me and that I feel need clarification for me to actually understand them. Linking to threads/posts for me to read is highly encouraged.
Your help in helping me helping myself is much appreciated.

Aosp is Straight Google code while sense is HTC's code. There is a huge difference with performance and UI. Aosp is straight forward while sense is..I guess themed and pleasing to the eye?
I personally use sense and the current ROM I'm using is mikg 2.5.best overall IMO. I hardly use gps but when i have, this ROM Delivers.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1038967
Now, I recommend using sense if you are new to flashing but if you want to try out an aosp then use kushdeck ROM. Its super fast and has all the gps fixes or whatever the problem you may come up on within the thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1078558
Both roms should have wireless tether built in. 3g speeds are shown to true potential 3g or 1x on both roms. Music shouldn't stop on either ROM. You shouldn't worry much about scripts until you try out your roms. But if you do, check out zepplinrox scripts.
Hope this helps you out.Oh btw I recommend using amon ra recovery. Wipe wipe wipe. Multiple times just for kicks. Titanium backup is probably the best app for a rooted phone. Will help out a lot in the long run. ROM manager is good for a beginner but for the advanced or avid user, its sorta pointless. Hope I covered everything. Enjoy !
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First of all before you root update your PRL and profile in the updates section of the menu, that should help your 3g speeds hopefully, I am currently using Synergy RLS1 non-godmode by myn http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1144447 its pretty clean another rom id recommend is EVOlved rom r3charg3d by EVOlvedandroid http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1221703 this is a very good rom and everything works on both of them but for some reason I keep on going back to Synergy. I have warms theme and I can't live with out it. Hope I helped

- GPS. The stock GPS has been nothing but trouble for me. I need it to actually work better than the stock GPS system does. It appears there are script changes that can be done here to improve GPS functionality but I am not too familiar with how to approach this with custom ROMs.
Check out this thread regarding FasterFix. It worked for me on CM7.
- Free wireless tether capability. It would be nice to have the option.
Many ROMs have it either built in, or have the Sprint app unlocked. I would recommend Android Wifi Tether and you can read more here.
My other questions are:
- Is there really that big of a difference between Sense & AOSP? Sense is a UI system and the graphics that go along with it correct? What is AOSP and aside from using less memory is there really that big of a difference?
The driving force for me was the Bluetooth HID support found in CM7 (AOSP) that wasn't supported with Sense 1,2,3. May not seem like a big deal, but now I can play my playstation1 emulator via FPSE and pair my PS3 DualShock3 controller to my phone. It definitely turns heads in the office. PM me if you want the app. Demo
- Is there anything else I should do besides getting Nandroid & Titanium back-up prior to going the rooting route?
Export your contacts. No joke...lol
- Will there be adverse effects in modifying scripts on ROMs? I'm speaking in regards to http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1227269. I understand that I must be very careful as some of these are powerful adjustments.
I checked out that thread. It worked for me (call mod).
By the way, I bolded my comments so that it's easier for you to read my section. Not yelling or anything lol

CM7, why so popular

With the flurry of ROMs available, but not alot of time to really tinker, evaluate, troubleshoot etc, I'm looking for a real no brainer ROM to flash. CM7 seems to be so popular, but I cant understand why since I hear of so many things that are "broken" like GPS, etc.
I'm obviously a noob to this, wondering why CM7 is such a winner in the community?

giograves said:
With the flurry of ROMs available, but not alot of time to really tinker, evaluate, troubleshoot etc, I'm looking for a real no brainer ROM to flash. CM7 seems to be so popular, but I cant understand why since I hear of so many things that are "broken" like GPS, etc.
I'm obviously a noob to this, wondering why CM7 is such a winner in the community?
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Cm7 and other aosp roms are the way to go If you want the best battery life possible and there is a fix for GPS
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Personally never had a gps issue, but CM7/AOSP offers the bets battery life and performance.

I tried every possible fix and only one temporarily worked. The ##clrxgps# or however it was expressed from sense trick. Others have had the regular flashable zips work though. Cm7 was great until I actually needed GPS..sadly made a wrong turn because of this "GPS currently lost signal" every few blocks..got into in accident the next day...not cm7 fault but..had I been on a stable ROM (GPS-wise) I wouldn't be a laughing stock right now lmao. MIUI has very reliable GPS. Just saying.
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I also heard BT was flaky as well.
Is it too much to ask for a ROM with CM7 battery life but fully working 4G, GPS, BT, and WiFI? lol
Anyway, Thanks for the feedback all. I guess if battery life is your number one priority, its the way to go.

jacoballen22 said:
I tried every possible fix and only one temporarily worked. The ##clrxgps# or however it was expressed from sense trick. Others have had the regular flashable zips work though. Cm7 was great until I actually needed GPS..sadly made a wrong turn because of this "GPS currently lost signal" every few blocks..got into in accident the next day...not cm7 fault but..had I been on a stable ROM (GPS-wise) I wouldn't be a laughing stock right now lmao. MIUI has very reliable GPS. Just saying.
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I use GPS Status from the market. run that every few days and everything is gravy. i use my phone to track my bike rides... so yeah gps mos def ain't broke
to answer the original question cause CM7 is the best

As far as the gps goes, browse around the forums here, plenty of options of fixes...but I recently went to the evo deck rom, its another aosp running 2.3.7, found it to be much cleaner and less buggy than cm7, and it still offers the different theming which imo is what makes cm7 legit.

I've only been rooted for a couple of weeks and went with CM7.1 stable because of its notoriety and large set of peers. That way there are a lot of people in your shoes if you run into issues, though I've had things go really smooth so far.
I flashed the GPS fix and that was easy. I can't really think of anything else that was "broken." Since then, I've flashed a Tiamat kernel and replaced the CWM Revolutionary recovery with the new Amon_RA recovery (3.08). It's very fast and stable in my experience... plus it looks really nice.

CyanogenMod include native theming support (also known as the "T-Mobile Theme Engine"), a codec for the Free Lossless Audio Codec (FLAC), a large Access Point Name list, an OpenVPN client, a reboot menu, support for Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, and USB tethering, CPU overclocking, soft buttons and other "tablet tweaks", toggles in the notification pull-down (such as Wi-Fi, Bluetooth and GPS), as well as other interface enhancements. CyanogenMod is also stated to increase performance and reliability compared with official firmware releases.
CyanogenMod is developed as free and open source software based on the official releases of Android by Google, Inc. together with original and third-party code.
Although only a subset of total CyanogenMod users elect to report their use of the firmware,as of 7 December 2011, CyanogenMod has recorded over 900,000 active installs on a multitude of devices.
Cyanogenmod has some of the top devs around the world working on it from top to bottom.

[Q] Help with ROM please

realizing the "official" ICS update may never come (at least for a long time), I have played around with a few ROMs so far - both ICS-based and GB. For some reason, each and every ROM I have tried offers some kind of glitch - at least on my phone - sometimes the phone won't boot back up, some ROMS won't connect to certain T-Mobile services, etc.
While I certainly realize that the DEVs work feverishly to cook these things (which I definitely appreciate), does anyone out there have any recommendations for a pretty solid ICS ROM for the T989?

I have been on Darkside Beta 5 for over a week, in my opinion it is very stable, no call echo and the rotation is clean. There is the Wi-fi issue, but then again every ROM has that problem.
Everyone will have different opinion's but it is my preferred ROM.

Darkside UCLE2 Beta 6 is the least buggy out of all of them from what I have experienced. If u want GB then Digital Warfare is by far the best for battery and overall smooth operations. Since I use my GS2 for work day in and day out - I prefer to just run Digital Warfare 2.7..

Beta 6 like the last guy said. We'll get official sometime, but it won't be as good as tdj's
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Yes DARKSIDE.UCLE2::[BETA06] soon to be 7 install today with Blaze radio nothing went wrong and even tried that lc8 just for fun both work where i live can turn 4g on and off fast nice even install S voice from the Gs3

Questions go in the Q&A section

terrapin69 said:
realizing the "official" ICS update may never come (at least for a long time), I have played around with a few ROMs so far - both ICS-based and GB. For some reason, each and every ROM I have tried offers some kind of glitch - at least on my phone - sometimes the phone won't boot back up, some ROMS won't connect to certain T-Mobile services, etc.
While I certainly realize that the DEVs work feverishly to cook these things (which I definitely appreciate), does anyone out there have any recommendations for a pretty solid ICS ROM for the T989?
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Official ICS is coming in 9 days bro, be careful saying "never"

[Q] Questions re: Incredibly(^<Paranoid2.19.30Final, Sense-based ROMs

Long time lurker, first time poster (which means I can't post in the actual ROM thread). If my thread is inappropriate, please feel free to revise/delete as necessary. If additional information is needed from me, please advise.
By way of background: I have experience with flashing on this phone dating back to Gingerbread with IncredibleHD and MikRunny from "another site". I came over from a Samsung Fascinate where I was also flashing ROMs. So while not an expert in the actual development of the device, I would like to think I am somewhat experienced with flashing ROMs at least.
Incredibly(^<Paranoid2.19.30Final Questions:
With my current flash of Incredibly(^<Paranoid2.19.30Final, I am not running any themes and installation should be basically standard (though I did have to flash the October GApps package over it because there was no way to set up a Google account).
1. Aroma: The Revised OP still talks about the Aroma installer (I know that there have been two versions of the ROM zip in the past). When I flashed 2.19.30, there was no Aroma installer. Bad download or mistake in OP? Answered in Post #4.
2. Camcorder: Regular camera and FFC are working correctly. The OP says that the camcorder has 720p enabled at this point. However, I do not see anywhere in the settings to change the quality of the camcorder, and the camcorder is currently recording at 480p. How do I change the camcorder to 720p? Answered by The Man himself in Post #14.
3. Bluetooth in Car: With the various AOSP ROMs, when connecting the phone to my car via Bluetooth (not A2DP, just a headset profile), I get sound but it is garbled beyond belief while ringing. For any music buffs, the sound is basically the first chord of "I Believe In a Thing Called Love" by The Darkness...as the sound of a phone ringing. Per Rushead's post #710, it appears that Bluetooth headsets and in-call voice are not functional, which is a known issue in AOSP ROMs under ICS and JB with no fix. Has this been resolved in this ROM since "everything" works but LED camera flash? Answered in Post #9 via OP for Incredibly(^<Paranoid Collection.
4. Status Bar Clock: I want to eliminate the clock in the status bar. I go in to the AOKP settings via Settings > ROM Control > Clock > Clock Style and select "No Clock". This removes the clock from the status bar. However, when the phone goes to sleep, and I come back through the lock screen, the clock is back. Going back in to the settings as referenced above, the "No Clock" option is still selected...and yet there is a clock there. If my memory serves me, in Aeroevan's CM10 the option would be under Settings > System > Status Bar, but there is no option for the clock there in Incredibly(^<Paranoid. Obviously not a huge deal, but just curious if anyone has a suggestion. Answered in Post #9; works fine in CM10 so who cares.
Any information or assistance would be greatly appreciated.
VenomINC 1.3.1 Question:
While my primary questions are related to Incredibly(^<Paranoid as I am digging JB at the moment, as I am already running up my technical support bill I figure I will ask a VenomINC question as well.
I have tried the various Sense-based ROMs under ICS (but VenomINC in particular...same thing, standard install, no themes) and have a giant issue that does not seem to have popped up in that thread: everything works perfectly, with one exception: no audio comes out of the headphone jack. I have tried an aux cable in the car, regular headphones...nothing. This makes the Sense ROMs unusable for me personally, as I spend a good amount of time in the car for work and listen to podcasts/music.
As best I can tell, I believe that this only happens with Sense 4 based ROMs (UKB, ViperINC, EclipticSense over on "another site") but not with Sense 3.6 ROMs (Ascension, the Nitsuj ICS leak) or with CM based ROMs (including Aero's CM10). I will note that I have not tried changing the kernel - I understand that Viper is using the Chinese kernel, while some of the other ROMs have the leak kernel.
The issue was raised in the ViperINC thread by user artcotto in post #s 615, 634, 689, 691, and 693 with no resolution beyond Nitsua98 helpfully suggesting that maybe his headphones were broken (they were not). I have flashed the various updates to ViperINC since November and the issue has not gone away. Any information on this would be appreciated as well as I am a bit of a flashoholic and would likely go back and forth between Sense and AOSP (even though as noted above JB is pretty awesome).
Thank you for the great community and for any information and assistance you can provide. Thanks to all the developers for all the hard work you have done for our phone (which was apparently ancient and incapable of upgrade by HTC the second we bought it) allowing me to have a current phone without needing to buy a NEW phone.

Re: ViperInc headphones
VenomINC 1.3.1 Question:
While my primary questions are related to Incredibly(^<Paranoid as I am digging JB at the moment, as I am already running up my technical support bill I figure I will ask a VenomINC question as well.
I have tried the various Sense-based ROMs under ICS (but VenomINC in particular...same thing, standard install, no themes) and have a giant issue that does not seem to have popped up in that thread: everything works perfectly, with one exception: no audio comes out of the headphone jack. I have tried an aux cable in the car, regular headphones...nothing. This makes the Sense ROMs unusable for me personally, as I spend a good amount of time in the car for work and listen to podcasts/music.
As best I can tell, I believe that this only happens with Sense 4 based ROMs (UKB, ViperINC, EclipticSense over on "another site") but not with Sense 3.6 ROMs (Ascension, the Nitsuj ICS leak) or with CM based ROMs (including Aero's CM10). I will note that I have not tried changing the kernel - I understand that Viper is using the Chinese kernel, while some of the other ROMs have the leak kernel.
The issue was raised in the ViperINC thread by user artcotto in post #s 615, 634, 689, 691, and 693 with no resolution beyond Nitsua98 suggesting that maybe his headphones were broken (they were not). I have flashed the various updates to ViperINC since November and the issue has not gone away. Any information on this would be appreciated as well as I am a bit of a flashoholic and would likely go back and forth between Sense and AOSP (even though as noted above JB is pretty awesome).
Thank you for the great community and for any information and assistance you can provide. Thanks to all the developers for all the hard work you have done for our phone (which was apparently ancient and incapable of upgrade by HTC the second we bought it) allowing me to have a current phone without needing to buy a NEW phone.[/SIZE]
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great questions. i am in the same situation...a little experience but not enough forum-cred to post in dev.
i'm currently running ViperInc 1.3.1, just plugged in my el-cheapo RCA headphones and they work fine. sorry bro :-/
i'd love to see some answers to your 2.19.30 questions.

johannvonperfect said:
Long time lurker, first time poster (which means I can't post in the actual ROM thread). If my thread is inappropriate, please feel free to revise/delete as necessary. If additional information is needed from me, please advise.
By way of background: I have experience with flashing on this phone dating back to Gingerbread with IncredibleHD and MikRunny from "another site". I came over from a Samsung Fascinate where I was also flashing ROMs. So while not an expert in the actual development of the device, I would like to think I am somewhat experienced with flashing ROMs at least.
VenomINC 1.3.1 Question:
While my primary questions are related to Incredibly(^<Paranoid as I am digging JB at the moment, as I am already running up my technical support bill I figure I will ask a VenomINC question as well.
I have tried the various Sense-based ROMs under ICS (but VenomINC in particular...same thing, standard install, no themes) and have a giant issue that does not seem to have popped up in that thread: everything works perfectly, with one exception: no audio comes out of the headphone jack. I have tried an aux cable in the car, regular headphones...nothing. This makes the Sense ROMs unusable for me personally, as I spend a good amount of time in the car for work and listen to podcasts/music.
As best I can tell, I believe that this only happens with Sense 4 based ROMs (UKB, ViperINC, EclipticSense over on "another site") but not with Sense 3.6 ROMs (Ascension, the Nitsuj ICS leak) or with CM based ROMs (including Aero's CM10). I will note that I have not tried changing the kernel - I understand that Viper is using the Chinese kernel, while some of the other ROMs have the leak kernel.
The issue was raised in the ViperINC thread by user artcotto in post #s 615, 634, 689, 691, and 693 with no resolution beyond Nitsua98 suggesting that maybe his headphones were broken (they were not). I have flashed the various updates to ViperINC since November and the issue has not gone away. Any information on this would be appreciated as well as I am a bit of a flashoholic and would likely go back and forth between Sense and AOSP (even though as noted above JB is pretty awesome).
Thank you for the great community and for any information and assistance you can provide. Thanks to all the developers for all the hard work you have done for our phone (which was apparently ancient and incapable of upgrade by HTC the second we bought it) allowing me to have a current phone without needing to buy a NEW phone.
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Have you tried earlier versions of ViperInc? I am using 1.0.2 and have none of the issues I was having with 1.3.1 (which were not your issues - just lag). Another question would be - and I'm not sure this would really affect the jack - have you flashed the firmware?

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Question number 1: that was a kind of op misunderstanding, a previous version included aroma, while the best one does not, your download was fine
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brymaster5000 said:
Have you tried earlier versions of ViperInc? I am using 1.0.2 and have none of the issues I was having with 1.3.1 (which were not your issues - just lag). Another question would be - and I'm not sure this would really affect the jack - have you flashed the firmware?
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I have not tried going back to prior versions of ViperINC, though I believe I have used from 1.1 onward and had this issue. I didn't mention in my original post, but yes, I have flashed the ICS firmware with the 0320 radio. Maybe 1.0.2 would be worth a try (though I'm not sure there is a way to get old versions of the ROM).

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This might sound odd. I've been on viper the longest. No lag. I installed super su n un installed their SU. Also got a busy box installer from the market n updated the phones busy box. I'm also running defensed but made sure I popped in rosie, but it's frozen n I'm running nova. Night n day I tell ya.
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johannvonperfect said:
I have not tried going back to prior versions of ViperINC, though I believe I have used from 1.1 onward and had this issue. I didn't mention in my original post, but yes, I have flashed the ICS firmware with the 0320 radio. Maybe 1.0.2 would be worth a try (though I'm not sure there is a way to get old versions of the ROM).
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fwiw, i also have 0320 radio with headphones working fine. i was previously on ViperInc 1.2.0 and EclipticSense and it also worked fine.
Can you think of anything else you did with your phone around the time you first started experiencing the headphone issue?

vikrantislav said:
fwiw, i also have 0320 radio with headphones working fine. i was previously on ViperInc 1.2.0 and EclipticSense and it also worked fine.
Can you think of anything else you did with your phone around the time you first started experiencing the headphone issue?
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Not that I'm aware of. As I mentioned above, I don't think it's a "hardware" issue, in the sense that even now I have no problems with CM 10, Incredibly(^<Paranoid2.19.30, etc. My best thought was that it may be something with the way the Sense 4 ROMs interact with the hardware, i.e. maybe the kernel on my particular phone? But I have no idea. At some point I will try flashing the "leak" kernel over the VenomINC install.
What I'm more interested in at this point is 720p recording on Incredibly(^<Paranoid2.19.30Final (And I am looking forward to Chilly throwing together a CM10 ROM).
If we keep going back and forth we can rack up enough posts to start posting at the grown-up table :good:

So the revised OP for what is now the Incredibly(^<Paranoid Collection answered a couple of the questions.
Bluetooth phone calls do not work in any of Chilly's ROMs.
I flashed his CM10, and the issue with the clock in the status bar is resolved. This leads me to believe it is an AOKP/PA issue; I am fine with CM10 anyway so no big deal there.
However, when I flashed CM10, the same issue exists with the camcorder. FFC and regular camera work great for photos; there is no option to change the camcorder to 720p.
Re: ViperINC issue: I flashed ViperINC 1.3.1 again, and this time I flashed the "leak" kernel over it. Still no audio through the headphones. I tried turning Beats Audio on/off, did not do anything.

Only issues I have with Viper is it will not connect to my media server via the native apps. I also have been experiencing lag but I think it's mainly due to lack of ram as a reboot usually clears it up. Also if you toggle gps off it doesn't work unless you reboot.

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Re: ViperINC issue: I flashed ViperINC 1.3.1 again, and this time I flashed the "leak" kernel over it. Still no audio through the headphones. I tried turning Beats Audio on/off, did not do anything.
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that reminds me, i also have the Sony XLoud disabled in ViperINC

vikrantislav said:
that reminds me, i also have the Sony XLoud disabled in ViperINC
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I did not install XLoud in the Viper Installer, just went with Beats. As I said in the OP, I know that my issue was previously mentioned but it does not seem like anybody ever found out the cause.
Bluetooth phone calls are not a dealbreaker for me. At this point, if the 720p recording is actually working, I would be happy with CM10 as a daily driver (though I may check out Evervolv as well to see what 4.2 can do). I just can't find the setting...

So what I think I pieced together: the Chilly collection of ROMs does not have 720p recording. When he was talking about the camera being fixed 99.999% except for flash, he was talking about FFC only, and the ROMs do not have 720p recording. I am hoping I am wrong but confirmation would be appreciated.
It may be a situation like the DKStunna thread, where it was proudly proclaimed at the top that "EVERYTHING WORKS", except for the stuff that didn't that you were just supposed to know hadn't been fixed. When Chilly said in Post #875 that "Lol FFC can works ..led flash works but not with taking pictures...video etc works" that does not appear to mean that 720p recording works.

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johannvonperfect said:
So what I think I pieced together: the Chilly collection of ROMs does not have 720p recording. When he was talking about the camera being fixed 99.999% except for flash, he was talking about FFC only, and the ROMs do not have 720p recording. I am hoping I am wrong but confirmation would be appreciated.
It may be a situation like the DKStunna thread, where it was proudly proclaimed at the top that "EVERYTHING WORKS", except for the stuff that didn't that you were just supposed to know hadn't been fixed. When Chilly said in Post #875 that "Lol FFC can works ..led flash works but not with taking pictures...video etc works" that does not appear to mean that 720p recording works.
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I had got 720p working but it caused problems so I removed it u caught the thread before the revamp
Currently working on most my roms is
FFC with recording
Tethering with 3party app
I will be implementing fixes for led flash
Blue tooth works but has some bugs
Mostly everything works with fixes that I will be implementing
The pa I upped has fixes already baked in ..I'm yet to try BT yet
Once fixes have been baked the roms will be fully functional minus 720p
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chillybean said:
I had got 720p working but it caused problems so I removed it u caught the thread before the revamp
Currently working on most my roms is
FFC with recording
Tethering with 3party app
I will be implementing fixes for led flash
Blue tooth works but has some bugs
Mostly everything works with fixes that I will be implementing
The pa I upped has fixes already baked in ..I'm yet to try BT yet
Once fixes have been baked the roms will be fully functional minus 720p
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That must have been what happened...I have kept up with the thread fairly regularly and thought I saw that 720p had been figured out, but as you said that must have been before it was pulled. I was confused why nobody was mentioning it in the thread considering it would have been big news.
Chilly, thanks for the response, and thanks for all the hard work you do to make the phone feel like new. We're lucky to have such talented devs keeping our device relevant. Keep doing what you do! :highfive:
To the Mods: that should wrap up this thread if you want to lock it. I do not believe there is an answer to my remaining question about ViperINC and audio through the headphone jack.

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Hehe even the mods have moved on...
Once everyone leaves this device Verizon will update it like the thunderbolt.
Sent from my Nitsy CM7.

I don't think it was mentioned, but did you try a reflash / redownload?
Probably not going to do anything, but worth a shot.

brymaster5000 said:
Hehe even the mods have moved on...
Once everyone leaves this device Verizon will update it like the thunderbolt.
Sent from my Nitsy CM7.
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Sweet. I'm locked in my phone till November so I'll be like 1 outta 12 people left with the phone rocking ICS. Sounds exciting

Can usb tethering be done in cm10. I saw the WiFi app thread but nothing on usb.

Not to bump an old thread, but since I still can't post in the actual development thread: Chilly said in Post #1369 of his ROM thread that "No such thing as 100% but yes everything should work other then rotating hard keys bust out the champagne!"
Therefore my question is, once again: how do you change video recording quality to 720p in the camcorder? There still doesn't seem to be an option for it. Any info would be appreciated.