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Am I the unluckiest hardware owner ever? (VZW hate incoming)

Anyone ever have just... an Incredibly (no pun intended) bad time with hardware?
Here I am on my 4th device in 13 months.
It started when I allowed a best buy mobile rep talk me into the moto x2.
Phone #1 had a bum USB dock that wouldn't transfer data.
X2 numero dos had a proclivity to stutter all the time...root fixed that but then the headphone jack comes loose and all is broken.
X2 #3 same as #2 for headphone jack issues.
I fought long and hard and vzw offered me a slew of 4g devices which I chose a droid charge from.
But oops, cannot change a 3g device for a 4g device on warranty so now I get to choose from a myriad of garbage moto phones (wow a droid 3 or original x!) Or an incredible 2.
Now here I am with an incredible 2.
This came after I was offered and early upgrade over Christmas which I said no to, because I was five months invested in my current phone, why should I spend another $200 five months in??
Instead I called retentions and complained loudly and I got a pre owned incredible 2.
This phone has been an absolute dream. Even stock it is faster than than the x2s dual core CPU.
But getting this device in January I was warned that I am still in the moto x2 warranty period ending July 5th.
July 6th my phone started overheating and my screen will not light up with any images,just a dull black which I can still unlock answer etc.
Yeah. Freaking July 6th.
Now it happens just having it in my pocket.when it cools down all is good again...
As a last resort today being out of warranty anyhow I took the phone apart entirely, I took the motherboard assembly off and used compressed air to blow as much as I could behind the heat sync but this is just a broken phone I suppose because after reassembly it still isn't working.
So..long story longer, I went to a corporate store and they tell me I have two options, pay $500+ for a new device or get a second line and change to share everything for $50 more per month...
Or call 611.. which I do.
They tell me that I can pay $500+ or add a line (it'd be an extra $600/year I remind him) and he says sorry.
He can offer me an early upgrade that I'm asking for in March.
I said to him gee thanks, you are not really helping me, the website tells me exactly the same thing. Derrrrr. Dumb.
Basically, i was offered an early upgrade in December by a lackwitted tier 2 tech support agent and now because I didn't have $200 for a phone I knew would be severely updated I am being shaken down for a new handset.
I'm pretty upset to be honest, as I spend over $130/month with these guys and they just won't work with me.
So the conversation ends with me saying that since att has their own 4g where I live and that makes them an option for me, let's do math:
See, previously Verizon was the only service here that worked well. now I hear that att 4g covers here quite well...
$230 to cancel Verizon early
$200 for a brand new phone on att
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$430
Vs the $569.00 for a galaxy nexus I wanted to get for $99 early upgrade.
Actually less after I get $50-$100 for spare parts on eBay for this incredible 2...
Assinine and no way to do business at all.
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So I bought this on August 7th and have had no issues with it. I plan to use it until its dead (2 or 3 more years). I love my dinc 2.
I don't see a good reason to upgrade, even if I could. The newer phones are just faster, and have better displays, NTM the short battery life and that they break in 6 months.
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stevenjcampbell said:
Anyone ever have just... an Incredibly (no pun intended) bad time with hardware?
Here I am on my 4th device in 13 months.
It started when I allowed a best buy mobile rep talk me into the moto x2.
Phone #1 had a bum USB dock that wouldn't transfer data.
X2 numero dos had a proclivity to stutter all the time...root fixed that but then the headphone jack comes loose and all is broken.
X2 #3 same as #2 for headphone jack issues.
I fought long and hard and vzw offered me a slew of 4g devices which I chose a droid charge from.
But oops, cannot change a 3g device for a 4g device on warranty so now I get to choose from a myriad of garbage moto phones (wow a droid 3 or original x!) Or an incredible 2.
Now here I am with an incredible 2.
This came after I was offered and early upgrade over Christmas which I said no to, because I was five months invested in my current phone, why should I spend another $200 five months in??
Instead I called retentions and complained loudly and I got a pre owned incredible 2.
This phone has been an absolute dream. Even stock it is faster than than the x2s dual core CPU.
But getting this device in January I was warned that I am still in the moto x2 warranty period ending July 5th.
July 6th my phone started overheating and my screen will not light up with any images,just a dull black which I can still unlock answer etc.
Yeah. Freaking July 6th.
Now it happens just having it in my pocket.when it cools down all is good again...
As a last resort today being out of warranty anyhow I took the phone apart entirely, I took the motherboard assembly off and used compressed air to blow as much as I could behind the heat sync but this is just a broken phone I suppose because after reassembly it still isn't working.
So..long story longer, I went to a corporate store and they tell me I have two options, pay $500+ for a new device or get a second line and change to share everything for $50 more per month...
Or call 611.. which I do.
They tell me that I can pay $500+ or add a line (it'd be an extra $600/year I remind him) and he says sorry.
He can offer me an early upgrade that I'm asking for in March.
I said to him gee thanks, you are not really helping me, the website tells me exactly the same thing. Derrrrr. Dumb.
Basically, i was offered an early upgrade in December by a lackwitted tier 2 tech support agent and now because I didn't have $200 for a phone I knew would be severely updated I am being shaken down for a new handset.
I'm pretty upset to be honest, as I spend over $130/month with these guys and they just won't work with me.
So the conversation ends with me saying that since att has their own 4g where I live and that makes them an option for me, let's do math:
See, previously Verizon was the only service here that worked well. now I hear that att 4g covers here quite well...
$230 to cancel Verizon early
$200 for a brand new phone on att
------
$430
Vs the $569.00 for a galaxy nexus I wanted to get for $99 early upgrade.
Actually less after I get $50-$100 for spare parts on eBay for this incredible 2...
Assinine and no way to do business at all.
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Welcome to Verizon my friend, I had to literally swear at a Verizon rep to replace my 3rd Droid X2 with the Inc2 and this was after they said they didn't have any available and I called them out because they had started a promo on their website THAT SAME DAY for inc2's. I swear they train their employees to not help customers at all.

Thanks so much for the replies guys.
honestly I love the phone...I wanted a galaxy nexus, and am offering to start my co tract over again on their new terms where it isn't unlimited.
These people should be happy that they get me on another two years of my life and now get to charge me more money for service.
You all would love how I ended the call;
(After pointing out they encouraged me to cancel vs helping me)
" Well I honestly hope that for quality reasons this call was recorded and you made notes so tomorrow when I call back they can know exactly why I'm cancelling service. Thanks for having me be a part of Verizon wireless and have a great day!"
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Was the X2 really that bad of a phone?
I had to choose from the dinc 2 or the X2. I made a great choice
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i had an almost identical experience with a past phone. this is my last vzw phone. their network is ok, but i resent having to root my phone to get rid of their garbage apps, their prices are absurd, and their customer service is a nightmare. im switching to a gsm iphone and going prepaid.

joefrog1996 said:
Was the X2 really that bad of a phone?
I had to choose from the dinc 2 or the X2. I made a great choice
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The x2 had major memory management issues for all of the 2.2 releases. It would not stream music, or play any music for that matter without skips, crackles, hiccups and pops.
The tegra 2 had NOTHING to do with it, aside from some pretty looking games (that always get ported to other devices) it would not use the second core anyhow as android 2.2 and 2.3 as far as i know do not use multi core cpus efficiently.
the hardware issues killed me. The headphone jack coming unsoldered TWICE is a poor build quality.
I've no idea if Google intends to put their name on a product that Moto makes after purchasing the mobility department but they should think twice because the ONLY phone i have read good reviews on is the Aria HD and thats one phone out of what... four years worth of handsets?
funky_snowman
i had an almost identical experience with a past phone. this is my last vzw phone. its ok, but i resent having to root my phone to get rid of their garbage apps, their prices are absurd, and their customer service is a nightmare. im switching to a gsm iphone and going prepaid.
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My problem is that I live in a largely rural area, but a town of around 20,000 that is covered by whatever Reno has.
If reno NV has LTE, we have it. If they have 3g, we have it.
But in lake tahoe you cannot build a new cellular tower due to environmental concerns, therefore you work with what you have.
Verizon has a great deal with the casinos in the area and therefore has coverage EVERYWHERE.
Like i said, i was TOLD that att and their LTE is much better than their 3g was, but i know for a fact people around here on ATT hate it.
Tmobile is a joke and works only on main drags of streets, and sprint is about as bad as Tmobile.
So as all the new networks come online they cannot build new towers here, just work with what they got. The broader spectrum of LTE seems to help the signal for ATT, and the coverage VZW has due to being the first provider gives them the best network over all.
Sucks... but yea.

Had 4 Droid x2s before my incredible2. Music always popped and phone would reboot randomly all the time. So glad I pushed Verizon until they gave me this phone. The problems it has are very little when compared to x2.
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Yea the X2 had amazing potential but in the end it failed, locked boot loader, couldn't play music for sh*t, the 2nd core wasn't utilized very well, low graphic memory, etc, etc

That sucks man. I would look more into ATT if I were you. If it seems like the people you know have just as bad of experiences with them then i would just keep calling VZW until they offer you something better. I usually use a line like "I've been dealing with this issue for x amount of time and nobody that I have spoken with has even acknowledged the problems that I have already gone through! What can you do to make me feel like I should stay with your company?" Don't waste your breath on the regular care reps, the can't do much for you. Talk to loyalty/retentions. That line got me $400 worth of free products and movie channels when dish network lost amc and has worked on many other occasions. Shift the focus to all of the problems you have had with your phones and the fact that you don't feel like a valued customer instead of focussing just on the phone you have now.
Best of luck man. I hope this helps!
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I don't think you have bad luck...I have replaced quite a few devices myself and never abuse them.
I do buy the insurance though thru vzw because I live in Vegas. It gets hot here and puts stress on the phones. I also change my synthetic oil every 5k instead of 8k because of the weather.
The good news is that if you want to stay on vzw you can buy on Craigslist to save a bit of money. Eventually when I feel there is a more solid phone I will do this (the latest phone has never been important to me)
Verizon has been terrible as of late. Another one of my family lines also has insurance and I don't even want to begin with the last issue i had with that claim.
In Vegas we have shops that can actually fix phones for you...have you considered this route?
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I've been pretty fortunate, going from a D1 (that is still working - gave it to a friend in need) to the Inc2, and (knock on wood) have had no issues.

tincbtrar said:
I don't think you have bad luck...I have replaced quite a few devices myself and never abuse them.
I do buy the insurance though thru vzw because I live in Vegas. It gets hot here and puts stress on the phones. I also change my synthetic oil every 5k instead of 8k because of the weather.
The good news is that if you want to stay on vzw you can buy on Craigslist to save a bit of money. Eventually when I feel there is a more solid phone I will do this (the latest phone has never been important to me)
Verizon has been terrible as of late. Another one of my family lines also has insurance and I don't even want to begin with the last issue i had with that claim.
In Vegas we have shops that can actually fix phones for you...have you considered this route?
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Yes and no... I can't be without the handset and have no other phone.
I remember Vegas. Cellular depot on sahara was great for fixing phones.
Yeah, I'm in lake Tahoe now. There aren't any repair shops here so sending out is what happens.
If this was an att phone popping a sim out would be easy.
Perhaps a trip to reno would find me a repair person... in the past I'd spend hours with the company arguing my point. Now I don't have time between work and family.
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if anyone is still looking
So here are the end results.
1. Verizon did offer me an early upgrade last november or december.
-- And now because they "lost too much money" they have decided to stop early upgrades for users. So basically I am screwed in this regard. I found it laughable and even told the rep how Verizon posted over a BILLION DOLLAR PROFIT recently, she seemed like she had no idea what that even meant.
2. Even retentions is not willing to work with me on this. The circumstances are not allowing for it, according to the rep I spoke to (pretty much his exact wording)
3. They are offering this:
OPTION #1 - Get a certified pre owned device for $329 (this would be a motorola razr or less money would give me a bunch of garbage options)
OPTION #2 - Add a line, and this will give me the ability to get a new phone as a new contract phone. But of course adds about $600/year to my contract
OPTION #3 - Buy a new device off the internet, beware of stolen phones, apparently verizon keeps a blacklist of stolen devices.
OPTION #4 - Spend the $500+ on a new device from VZW new retail in box.
I am so frustrated. Guess that i am screwed. They dont care.

id probably leave verizon in your situation. though, id leave anyway, so maybe that suggestion is a little bit slanted.
if you aren't going to leave, id try to find something on ebay.

stevenjcampbell said:
OPTION #3 - Buy a new device off the internet, beware of stolen phones, apparently verizon keeps a blacklist of stolen devices.
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Yeah anytime a phone is reported lost or stolen the esn is blacklisted. If you buy one local (like Craigslist) make the person meet you at a VZW store so you can have them check the esn before you pay for it. If you buy one online make sure the place you buy it from is reputable and has some buyer protection built in.
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cstone1991 said:
Yeah anytime a phone is reported lost or stolen the esn is blacklisted. If you buy one local (like Craigslist) make the person meet you at a VZW store so you can have them check the esn before you pay for it. If you buy one online make sure the place you buy it from is reputable and has some buyer protection built in.
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I didn't know this. I'm glad I haven't bought one off eBay yet. That's got the potential for bad day.
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SuFuS01dier said:
I didn't know this. I'm glad I haven't bought one off eBay yet. That's got the potential for bad day.
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If you do buy from eBay just make sure that you buy it from someone with a lot of good feedback and ask lots of questions.
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cstone1991 said:
If you do buy from eBay just make sure that you buy it from someone with a lot of good feedback and ask lots of questions.
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I'll definitely be wary, but I'm satisfied with my phone for now. That might change by tomorrow though as I often feel the need for change
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SuFuS01dier said:
I'll definitely be wary, but I'm satisfied with my phone for now. That might change by tomorrow though as I often feel the need for change
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Don't buy a phone that doesn't list the status of the esn. Just leaving that out is grounds for suspicion.
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Verizon Galaxy Nexus Update Response

After an e-mail to Verizon to complain about the treatment of the Galaxy Nexus, I actually received a response, so I thought I would share it here. The takeaway is that Verizon lists their policy for updates, blames Samsung and Google, and says there is no update in the works for the next month. Probably makes no difference, but couldn't hurt for everyone to also e-mail a complaint.
I am so sorry to read of your frustrations with Verizon and the lack of updates for the Galaxy Nexus. I definitely understand your annoyance with not getting the updates for it and no information available for the next update. I have a phone that feels like I waited forever to get it updated to Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich, and it drove me mad that there was not information about when it would be released.
Not only as a company but also as your personal Verizon representative we want to provide you with any and all information. We realize that cell phones have become our lifeline to communication whether it’s through apps, calls, text, or email; and want to match sure that your device has all the software updates to work. I reviewed Verizon Wireless New Software Upgrades to be released this month and there is no indication that there will be an update for the Nexus.
The updates that Verizon provides are for the sole purpose of enhancing the way the phone works and communicates with Verizon towers and network. When a software update is sent out in relation to the operating system, which is done so by the Manufacturer. The plans and action to update the software are done with either Google (Android developer) or my Samsung (User Interface developer).
We absolutely want you to have the most up to date software for your phone and if there is anything we can do to get that to you, we definitely will. Something that you can try to see if there is an update hanging around is going to:
• Settings
• About Phone
• System Updates
We appreciate your loyalty with Verizon Wireless through all these years, and certainly don’t want to see you go. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to go over this information with you.

with the 'leaked' Verizon update from Google's servers, I'm not in that big of a hurry. IMM76K was pulled from Google's servers long before Verizon pushed it. They're obviously working on it since we have a Google url for the jb update and it was sent to a test phone.

They are dicks at Verizon. They don't update phones and a lot of their phones don't function as well as their GSM counterparts. If you want to stay on their network you are going to have to deal with their garbage. You will never have a full Android experience on Verizon.
Going GSM unlocked was the best mobile decision I ever made. I am saving about $400 per year, I get updates and I am not locked to a carrier or its BS.
Straight Talk Sim Att may not have as good a network as Verizon, but its pretty darn close. Way worth it for me.
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All I have to say is LOL!!!! Glad I did the 4.1.1 leak when it came out. I am starting to have flashbacks to my days with the Droid X. Luckily this is a Nexus and I have more control of my phone.

Having worked as a customer service rep for a tech company, this letter is what they trained us to do.
Step 1 - show you understand the customers complaint by repeating it back to them.
Step 2 - show the customer empathy by telling them you've faced a similar issue and can understand their frustration.
Step 3 - politely let the customer know we as a company care about them and want to resolve their issue. If the issue can be resolved, resolve it. If it can not be resolved explain to them we are working on said issue and it is not the fault of the company but some other company/factor.
Step 4 - thank the customer for their feedback. Let them know they've been heard and are a valued customer.
Step 5 - ask if there is anything else you can do for them. And wish them a nice day.
You can now all work in customer service.
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Its funny cause Verizon doesn't update this phone. Stop blaming them.
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Smokeey said:
Its funny cause Verizon doesn't update this phone. Stop blaming them.
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Curious where you get that as an absolute...
Google says Verizon does control when it pushes
Verizon says Google has absolute control of it
Seems someone is fibbing, and Verizon has a worse track record...

I'm sorry but just root your phone.
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DSinfinite said:
I'm sorry but just root your phone.
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There are reasons that some of us can't root our phones and still use them with corporate networks.

amaddux said:
There are reasons that some of us can't root our phones and still use them with corporate networks.
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That's one reason.
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Hate to break it to you guys, but Verizon will never be able to (or try to) update its phones as quickly as the update that comes directly from google to the GSM models. Sorry, but that's just how it's going to be. This isn't some big revelation. If you buy any Verizon device expecting hasty updates, you're sadly going to be disappointed. I'm really tired of people complaining about this at this point.
Also, do you really expect some random CS rep at Verizon to give you a different response than the standard corporate line that you've been fed over and over again? I mean really, cmon guys. You're just grasping at nothing at this point.

Root your phone. Install jellybean. Good to go. If you want something go get it and do it yourself. Also new radios are out.
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martonikaj said:
Hate to break it to you guys, but Verizon will never be able to (or try to) update its phones as quickly as the update that comes directly from google to the GSM models. Sorry, but that's just how it's going to be. This isn't some big revelation. If you buy any Verizon device expecting hasty updates, you're sadly going to be disappointed. I'm really tired of people complaining about this at this point.
Also, do you really expect some random CS rep at Verizon to give you a different response than the standard corporate line that you've been fed over and over again? I mean really, cmon guys. You're just grasping at nothing at this point.
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Turns the iPhone is updated on Verizon with the rest of the iPhones. Even the LTE iPad is updated with the rest of the Apple products. So, possible yes, likely for anything else, probably not.
Nope, I got most of the result I expected from the Verizon rep and was just surprised at his exact words. I also thought it would be useful to share with other Verizon users that it doesn't appear to be coming in the next month either. I am actually sorry for positing it though. I thought I was sharing something useful. Clearly, I'm the only one that thought it was useful.
Again, rooting my phone does not work for me. I use two apps that check for root and do not work if rooted. One for work (no you can't use an app that hides root from it, that does not work) and one from my cable company. I have rooted an android phone in the past, and I know how to flash a phone. I know its asking a lot, but please do not post rooting as the answer again in this thread.

You just gotta drop Verizon. They are a joke. There phones are damaged and outdated before they even come out.
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The Verizon Nexus will get every update that the GSM model has coming to it (as long as Google doesn't push an update that is solely meant for the GSM model)
You just have to wait a little longer.
That's the way it works. And in my opinion, it's a decent compromise to make vs the GSM model. With the LTE Nexus, you get the extra 16GB of internal storage, LTE data speeds, and the fact that you're on probably the best network in terms of voice coverage.
And being a Google supported and updated Nexus device, you will get all the updates you have coming to you (until Google decides to stop pushing them, ala the Nexus One).
It might take 3 weeks. It might take 3 months. But you'll get them. The traditional method of device updates, where the carrier requests an update from the OEM, the OEM builds a new version of Android for the device, customizes it with their own UI, adds their apps, tests it, sends it to the carrier where they add their own network and bloatware apps, tests it, sends it back to the OEM for additional testing...doesn't apply.
Keep in mind that updates for other devices are also only updated if the carrier feels it's worth the time and money, as usually they have to pay the OEM for the update. If a device sells poorly, or if the carrier just has a policy where they won't request major updates after a set period of time regardless if the international versions of the device are well updated....you won't be getting an update. This is one of T-Mobile's business practices and why I left them after being a customer since their very beginning. The Samsung Vibrant I had was the only Galaxy S device in the world to never be updated to Gingerbread, and that's because only 5 months after the phone came out, they re-released it with a front facing camera and support for their 42Mbps network. Those were the only two changes as it was the same exact phone otherwise. After 8 months of the Vibrant's release, it was EOLed and never went past Froyo.
Look, Verizon so far as had two devices that Google is in charge of updating direct from AOSP...the Xoom and the Galaxy Nexus. The Xoom had gotten every single incremental Honeycomb update that the WiFi model received. It got ICS, albeit after a bit of a delay. The LTE Nexus, mind you, was the first to get 4.0.2 right out of the gate, and it also received 4.0.4, after a bit of a delay as well. Looking at it another way, both the LTE Xoom (which didn't sell very well) and the GNex have already gotten more updates than most devices do in their typical 2-year lifespan.
Looking at it objectively, all things considering, it's really not as bad as people are making it out to be. It's not like the carrier is refusing to keep the device updated. It's not like the OEM has to go through hoops to keep the device updated. Both devices are and will continue to be extremely well-supported by Google. You just have to wait a little longer than their GSM counterparts. And also keep in mind, official Google builds of both devices get leaked early all of the time. So, there's that.

Not to be a Negative Nancy, but LTE cuts your battery life in half, makes the phone thicker, and so far the LTE Nexus is 2 months behind the actual "Nexus". I wouldn't count on an update being in Verizons immediate plans. They could care less. And how many LTE Nexi have been sent back because of broken parts compared to the Google Play one. I learned to love Android again after I left Verizon, because they were ruining the entire experience for me.
Verizon does have its merits, but they are not worth all crap you have to go through with them. Verizon has the best coverage no doubt about it, but ST-Att coverage is still pretty good, just a little slower. I have had 1 dropped call and 1 data drop out in farm country in past 4 months. There is absolutely no reason to choose Verizon unless it is the absolute last and only choice one has for a mobile provider, which is probably only about 5% of the people in the country.

amaddux said:
Curious where you get that as an absolute...
Google says Verizon does control when it pushes
Verizon says Google has absolute control of it
Seems someone is fibbing, and Verizon has a worse track record...
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Absolute? You obviously haven't seen the OTA links then. You must be new.
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stelv said:
Not to be a Negative Nancy, but LTE cuts your battery life in half, makes the phone thicker, and so far the LTE Nexus is 2 months behind the actual "Nexus". I wouldn't count on an update being in Verizons immediate plans. They could care less. And how many LTE Nexi have been sent back because of broken parts compared to the Google Play one. I learned to love Android again after I left Verizon, because they were ruining the entire experience for me.
Verizon does have its merits, but they are not worth all crap you have to go through with them. Verizon has the best coverage no doubt about it, but ST-Att coverage is still pretty good, just a little slower. I have had 1 dropped call and 1 data drop out in farm country in past 4 months. There is absolutely no reason to choose Verizon unless it is the absolute last and only choice one has for a mobile provider, which is probably only about 5% of the people in the country.
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LTE does not cut your battery life "In half". That's a lie, or an opinion, either way it's wrong. On average (From what I have read) GSM GNexus users get around 3 1/2 hours of screen on usage, while I get about 3 with my LTE GNexus on Verizon. We could do more tests, but I bet you would rather just bash it some more.
I believe both GSM and LTE Nexus have both had a plethora of issues, to point out one but not the other is silly.
Android is the same on either phone, stock Android. It didn't change when you switched over.
I have never had a dropped call on my Gnexus (Had it since December), and only 1 or 2 data drops.
Verizon offers me unlimited data, at 20mb down, and 10mb up for $45. They have coverage damn near everywhere I go, and have always given me great customer service. Of all the bad things I have heard about the other three, I am glad to be on Verizon and have the chance to own a Nexus device through them, and I hope they offer another as I will be more than happy to buy that one too.
Sorry to hijack a bit OP but got tired of the baseless bashing.

miketoasty said:
LTE does not cut your battery life "In half". That's a lie, or an opinion, either way it's wrong. On average (From what I have read) GSM GNexus users get around 3 1/2 hours of screen on usage, while I get about 3 with my LTE GNexus on Verizon. We could do more tests, but I bet you would rather just bash it some more.
I believe both GSM and LTE Nexus have both had a plethora of issues, to point out one but not the other is silly.
Android is the same on either phone, stock Android. It didn't change when you switched over.
I have never had a dropped call on my Gnexus (Had it since December), and only 1 or 2 data drops.
Verizon offers me unlimited data, at 20mb down, and 10mb up for $45. They have coverage damn near everywhere I go, and have always given me great customer service. Of all the bad things I have heard about the other three, I am glad to be on Verizon and have the chance to own a Nexus device through them, and I hope they offer another as I will be more than happy to buy that one too.
Sorry to hijack a bit OP but got tired of the baseless bashing.
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Ok I guess I was misinformed about the battery. Didn't know you could get 3 hrs screen on time. We can get more like 4 on GSM. The GSM Nexus doesn't have a plethora of issues, just yellow screen and horrible camera that all Nexi have. Android is not the same on the VZW one because the GSM one is on a newer version and is updated. Granted, wonderful things can be done with root. One selling point of a Nexus is speedy updates, and the VZW doesn't get them.
20mb down is great but most people have to use tiered data on Verizon's now, so that means nothing. And I pay $45 total for unlimited everything (2-3gbs data) on Atts network with Straight Talk, Not $90-$100 for cell service bound to a 2 year contract.
I am not trying to start an argument. I am just trying to let people know that there are much much better options out there than contracts and Verizon, even if Verizon tries to trick you into believing that they are the only "reliable" network or option.

Verizon also has had huge problems with the newer batch of nexus phones they put out. We get tons at work with signal cutting out on them. Verizon probably is trying to fix that before an update or then people will be really mad if it doesn't fix the signal issue.
All in all its Verizon trying to cover themselves as long as they possibly can.
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Which Company Will You Choose?

I'm just curious as to which company everyone will be getting their GNote2 on? I am undecided between AT&T and Big Red (Verizon). I know Verizon will have bootlock GNote2, but Im sure someone will figure out around it. My mane concern is service, data speeds... Who do you think has the best... Sprint and T-Mobile are not even an option for me.
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mi2gurlz said:
I'm just curious as to which company everyone will be getting their GNote2 on? I am undecided between AT&T and Big Red (Verizon). I know Verizon will have bootlock GNote2, but Im sure someone will figure out around it. My mane concern is service, data speeds... Who do you think has the best... Sprint and T-Mobile are not even an option for me.
Thanks
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U.S. Cellular all the way! CDMA rules the land.
While GSM is nowhere to be seen.....

ima get sprint anyways i will flash it to boostmobile i got great speed on the galaxy s3 flash to boostmobile as long i can watch youtube video with buffering im good i dont need all the speed most of the time i be on wifi i got both wifi at work and home and for 50 dollar unlimited you cant go wrong
it just gona cost me i will preoder from amazon so i can put they insurance

1st Verizon
2nd T-Mobile
Sprint - Came from there and not going back.
AT&T - Unethical company that's always leading the industry with ripping off consumers.

Going verizon. Wife's getting my s3. Opening 2nd line for note 2. Freaking can't wait
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sprintuser1977 said:
Going verizon. Wife's getting my s3. Opening 2nd line for note 2. Freaking can't wait
synergized and Ikilling
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i'm excited myself.... its so close yet so far away

Verizon then T-Mobile. Right now I have unlimited data and I buy my devices outright anyway... So the speeds here Verizon > T-Mobile. 60mbps vs. 8mbps.

Getting mine through Sprint!
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I'm currently on AT&T, and have been for 4 years or so. My plan is up in Feb, but I'm really looking forward to the Note 2, so if they don't allow me to early upgrade, I may just eat the ETF, and look around for a different carrier. I'd like to pay a little less than the 98 a month i'm paying now for unlimited data + 450 minutes +1500 text. It's murdering me.
Do you guys think it would be worth it to buy the phone un-subsidized and go to a cheap plan? I see people mentioning stuff like 50 a month unlimited data and stuff... That blows my mind.

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I see people mentioning stuff like 50 a month unlimited data and stuff... That blows my mind.
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That would be me, but no it's a plan they no longer offer. If they axe my plan I will probably switch too. But apparently I'm pretty tick off about Verizon CFO right now about the "Unlimited is just a word" thing.

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I'm currently on AT&T, and have been for 4 years or so. My plan is up in Feb, but I'm really looking forward to the Note 2, so if they don't allow me to early upgrade, I may just eat the ETF, and look around for a different carrier. I'd like to pay a little less than the 98 a month i'm paying now for unlimited data + 450 minutes +1500 text. It's murdering me.
Do you guys think it would be worth it to buy the phone un-subsidized and go to a cheap plan? I see people mentioning stuff like 50 a month unlimited data and stuff... That blows my mind.
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I did that with the og note. would do it again but can't afford it outright again this time. If you can afford it I recommend it
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T-Mobile for me, I've always gotten good service and low prices for my plans from them.

I will be getting this beast on the Yellow network...

Im currently on the tmobile $30 plan - and after going all in with google voice it's been great. I'll probably stick with tmobile and either get the international note 2 or the tmobile version (as i think it'll be a pentaband phone)

I currently have the note and service with AT&T... I left sprint to get this phone and I won't get anything else if it's not the note 2 or 3...
I will be paying the ETF on AT&T and head over to Verizon.... AT&T doesn't provide LTE in my area and Verizon does...
Just a bit of information on someone that don't currently have the note.... You will be using this phone for pretty much everything... So for that reason I would advise you guys to look into your areas and go with a provider that offers LTE..... Only if you can afford it.... I stream pretty much anything I want.. Movies, sports, using slingbox as well and the big screen is just amazing to watch these things...
So there you have it... Don't get discourage on the screen size.... At first you will be like, what did I do? But believe me, after a coupe of days you will not put it down.....
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Getting mine on Sprint!

Not sure. I was planning to just upgrade on my ATT line; since I have unlimited data. But T-Mobile is looking very appealing. I'm such a noob to android though. I'm wondering if one will have more development than the other.

sticking with UK vodafine in the UK, I've got 12 months laft on my existing note contract, they said they would offer me the note 2 at £280, my mates offered me the same for my note, so thats a no brainer really. Although I cant actually order until Monday 01/10/2012.
I'll let you guys know when its in my hand!
What colour are people going for, im gonna get the dark one, I'm just not a fan of white electronic devices, its all a bit poser'ish pour moi.
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futurama said:
What colour are people going for, im gonna get the dark one, I'm just not a fan of white electronic devices, its all a bit poser'ish pour moi.
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Going with the grey for sure. Never did like white as well. Wish it was Satin Black though, maybe matte.

AT&T for me. Been with them since 1997 so I have unlimited data. Best LTE network I have seen in Texas. (Have Verizon for work). I get a great corporate discount on my rate plan so I cannot wait for the GN2!
Titanium Grey for me. Never had a white phone and see no reason to start now.

[Q] No nexus 4, now what?

Hey guys, mainly asking for your opinions so just let them fly.
I currently have a Thunderbolt and my contract is up at the end of November now I am trying to decide what to do next. I was fully anticipating going with the nexus 4 (I was prepared to never buy a non nexus device as long as Google keeps making them). Now that the nexus 4 will not be on Verizon and switching to at&t isn't an option since I get 25% off my bill through work, what would you guys do if you were in my situation? The Gnex is going to be cheap as hell when am eligible for an upgrade and am still considering it, should I be? Do you think Gnex development will slow down dramatically any time soon? I'd also hate to buy a phone with outdated hardware...do you guys run into hardware limitations withe the Gnex?
The only other phone that intrigues me is the galaxy s3. Mainly because it is so popular that I see there being a huge development opportunity there? I looked through the thread for the GS3 and it looks like there plenty of aosp roms and it looks to me like there will be quick updates for it as well. The biggest things I hate about the GS3 are the hardware buttons, I love the customisable soft keys in aosp and think that hard keys are so pointless anymore.
I'm pretty much against moto but if you really think I should look at something they have to offer, let me know.
Any thoughts and opinions are appreciated, thanks in advance.

pmr5019 said:
Hey guys, mainly asking for your opinions so just let them fly.
I currently have a Thunderbolt and my contract is up at the end of November now I am trying to decide what to do next. I was fully anticipating going with the nexus 4 (I was prepared to never buy a non nexus device as long as Google keeps making them). Now that the nexus 4 will not be on Verizon and switching to at&t isn't an option since I get 25% off my bill through work, what would you guys do if you were in my situation? The Gnex is going to be cheap as hell when am eligible for an upgrade and am still considering it, should I be? Do you think Gnex development will slow down dramatically any time soon? I'd also hate to buy a phone with outdated hardware...do you guys run into hardware limitations withe the Gnex?
The only other phone that intrigues me is the galaxy s3. Mainly because it is so popular that I see there being a huge development opportunity there? I looked through the thread for the GS3 and it looks like there plenty of aosp roms and it looks to me like there will be quick updates for it as well. The biggest things I hate about the GS3 are the hardware buttons, I love the customisable soft keys in aosp and think that hard keys are so pointless anymore.
I'm pretty much against moto but if you really think I should look at something they have to offer, let me know.
Any thoughts and opinions are appreciated, thanks in advance.
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My advice? Wait and watch. See how the N4 actually pans out as a device itself. It could be a hardware flop for all we know at this point. There were certainly fun hardware issues with the Gnex.
Then wait a bit longer for the HTC DNA. It might turn out to be a barnburner, or something to burn the barn with.
Then make a decision.

I'm not sure if the Moto RAZR i or HD is a good option or not for you.
Its up on you dude. go out & explore something new and one more thing that the GS3 is a pretty good option.
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I would wait if I where u. If u really need a new phone I would say the galaxy as 3 is a good choice. I have the gnex with Verizon and I love it. I dont have no issues at all my signal is always good i dont drop any calls or never go into 3g lol. (Must be my area i live in) Only problem I see u having is the storage capacity. The gnex on Verizon is now offered with only 16GB. No more 32GB. But as stated before, wait it out a few more months and see what's around the corner. If anything get a used nexus from craigslist for like 250 bucks to hold u over. That way up don't waist your upgrade on a phone u might regret
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25% off of Verizon's prices is still more expensive then Straight Talk or T-Mobile prepaid.... why not get a Nexus 4 anyway and stop signing contracts?

c0LdFire said:
25% off of Verizon's prices is still more expensive then Straight Talk or T-Mobile prepaid.... why not get a Nexus 4 anyway and stop signing contracts?
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The answer for most people? Coverage.
Coverage, Coverage, Coverage.

If you have a Thunderbolt, that means you still have unlimited data right? So if you're planning on buying a Nexus anyway, you might as well just find an unlocked one (i've seen used ones for ~$150-250) so that you won't have to upgrade. If I remember correctly (and I might be wrong), but Verizon only takes away the unlimited data when you try to upgrade.

No offense, but then he'd be stuck with T-Mobile's network and current lack of LTE. I root for T-Mobile; however, I was miserable when I was using them in suburban Denver, due to relatively inconsistent/slow data.
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davisbs999 said:
No offense, but then he'd be stuck with T-Mobile's network and current lack of LTE. I root for T-Mobile; however, I was miserable when I was using them in suburban Denver, due to relatively inconsistent/slow data.
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You can use AT&T's towers via Straight Talk if T-Mobile isn't great for your area. AT&T's HSPA+ network is pretty expansive.
Also, he wouldn't be "stuck" with anything - he could take the SIM card out and flush it down the toilet if the service bothers him. That's the beauty of not having a contract

I had the gnex on Verizon and loved it, except for one crucial issue-battery life. Sure, this was remedied somewhat by getting spare batteries, but this got to be a pain in the ass.
I currently have the Verizon SIII and love it (I find the dev community to be more than adequate). Yet I agree that it is worth waiting for the inevitable next greatest thing. The DNA does look to be badass
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Yeah the main reason why I stay with Verizon is coverage and my discount. At&t is the only other viable option, all the others are spotty at best around where I live.
Yeah I never thought of trying to get a gnex off contract. That would probly be the best option seeing that I'm getting married in June and will most likely have to revamp my plan for me and the wife anyway.
My friend just got the s3, he doesn't root or anything like I do but I can still bug him about the battery life at least.
My Thunderbolt has spoken.

Step 1: Buy Straight Talk AT&T Sim
Step 2: Buy Nexus 4
Step 3: Drop Verizon
Step 4: Save money
Step 5: ????
Step 6: ... CONTINUE TO SAAAAVE
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iArtisan said:
Step 1: Buy Straight Talk AT&T Sim
Step 2: Buy Nexus 4
Step 3: Drop Verizon
Step 4: Save money
Step 5: ????
Step 6: ... CONTINUE TO SAAAAVE
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I've only ever dealt with Verizon so can you include a few more details? Isn't straight talk sprint, but you're saying at&t sim?
My Thunderbolt has spoken.

The only way I'll be buying a Nexus 4 is if it's gifted to me.
I honestly want to wait it out for MWC and HTC's 2013 lineup.

davisbs999 said:
I had the gnex on Verizon and loved it, except for one crucial issue-battery life. Sure, this was remedied somewhat by getting spare batteries, but this got to be a pain in the ass.
I currently have the Verizon SIII and love it (I find the dev community to be more than adequate). Yet I agree that it is worth waiting for the inevitable next greatest thing. The DNA does look to be badass
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I'm not real big on the next best thing, the S3 would be in that category for me. Do you stick with touchwiz ROMs or aosp (or aokp)?
I have a sour taste in my mouth for HTC and I'm sick of waiting. I thought I waited for the next best thing with the Tbolt when I was coming from the OG droid. Samsung at least gets it right with their flagship devices. They don't come out with almost an identical phone but with more bugs worked out 3 months later.
I'll wait till Christmas and see what all comes but that's as long as I'll wait.
My Thunderbolt has spoken.

Smokeey said:
The only way I'll be buying a Nexus 4 is if it's gifted to me.
I honestly want to wait it out for MWC and HTC's 2013 lineup.
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How do you buy something gifted to you?

pmr5019 said:
I've only ever dealt with Verizon so can you include a few more details? Isn't straight talk sprint, but you're saying at&t sim?
My Thunderbolt has spoken.
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Straight talk offers an AT&T SIM that gives you unlimited* everything for $45/mo. I think it's actually their most popular plan.
*2-5gb of data before they start to nag, depending on how the stars align for you. Since, you know, unlimited is never actually unlimited in the US anymore...

If you are only with verizon because of the discount, try calling up another phone company and see if they can match the offer or sweeten the pot for you. My brother gets a corporate discount with Bell (here in Canada) and so he called up Rogers (who he's with), and told them that he can get such and such plan for such and such price and asked if he can match it otherwise he'd switch. I forget the specifics of what he got but he was able to get a discount because of it.
Otherwise, just wait like many others said. Perhaps you can get a sweeter phone than the nexus.

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How do you buy something gifted to you?
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don't be annoying like that
To OP: I'm in a similar situation actually, except that I use a GNex right now instead of a TurdBolt. Nobody knows if a Nexus 4 will come to VZN, but I'd probably just buy a GNex until something better rolls around later. And if you do have unlimited data, DO NOT UPGRADE! I cannot fathom losing my unlimited data at this point of my spoiled-data-consumption life. And the development for the VZN GNex is pretty healthy actually. Nothing to complain about, especially when you know you have a reliable connection at the end of the day.

I'm in agreement there, I dumped my tbolt for a gnex and it was a huge step up. You can grab one for fairly cheap off contract now too. I have little to complain about besides battery being a moderate problem. It still beats the tbolt for battery life by quite a bit though, and has given me better data reception. My main urge to upgrade is called 'upgraditis'. For now I'll be trying to treat the symptoms.

Bought it......Sold it. $475 For those still on the fence re N7100 vs SGHi717 .

I should have listened to my instincts and went of the N7100. I really wanted to like the ATT version. I got the device. immediately rooted it and flashed the CleanLite Rom. There were a couple things I missed too much and the additional $30 a month was not worth it since we do not have LTE and if we did the speeds are really only realized when downloading ir uploading huge files. Regular browsing is still website dependent,
However the phone is always seeking LTE. No way to turn it off. Having been on Mediat Net UL data was nice but I never used more than 700mb and that was when I was steaming TuneIn radio just to try it out. (I was listening to the same shows we have locally.at different times) I am a talk radio junkie. I love all the gad fests, from Kim Komand to Rush Limbaugh. I am plugged in all day at work.
I need the FM Radio and I did not want to pay $15 more a month for it and have to get a 3GB plan.Not to mention the battery use for radio is far less than streaming wifi or carrier data. So I called ATT and Provisioned my International Note 1 for Smartphone data ( I had to convince them I had a smart phone because you cannot have two dumb phones on a family share plan and the wife International SGS II i9100 shows up as a dumb phone to get the Family Shared 1GB plan. Now we have messaging as well which we did not have and unlimited calling which we did not have. and I will buy an N7100 when the prices drop below $600. Funny all these years I was under the radar. they "discovered " my Note a a smart phone and I always had to call to switch it back to MediNet. Now I had to convince them it was a smart phone...Funny how things work.
The international development is very much further as well. although a few "ported" ROMs are showing up on this side of things.
Love the form factor of the Note 2 and it was very fast. The additional processing and RAM were clearly noticeable.
S Pen much better. Notification LED nice. There is a reason to upgrade for sure. In my case the N7100 is the better choice.Warranties mean little to me since I root the devices out of the box,
I posted this for those who are on the fence and may have similar needs.

Thanks for the post, man. I'm fighting myself over whether I want to go grab a Note II today (been thinking about it non-stop all weekend). Heck, I was cussing when I saw your post in the MP and I missed out! I'd have bought it in a heartbeat (and saved a couple of hundred $$$ in the process).
I've already got the AT&T GSIII, so I'm not sure how much of an upgrade the Note II would be for me. I mean, I KNOW it would be an upgrade in some areas, but I'm just trying to figure out if it warrants the $$$ (and the money isn't a problem for me...I'm just debating myself as I always do on large purchases). I'd be buying off-contract (as I did with the SIII), so it's not a small amount of money.
I usually get my phones, the off-contract ones at least, from Best Buy because of their generous 30-day return window and their price matching. I guess I could always grab a Note II and give it a go for a couple of weeks. Then I'll know for sure whether it's a worthy upgrade or not and if not, I can always return it without a restocking fee.
Glad to see you got things figured out. Sorry I missed out on buying your Note II, but glad to see you got it sold quickly! :good:

KentuckyHouse said:
Thanks for the post, man. I'm fighting myself over whether I want to go grab a Note II today (been thinking about it non-stop all weekend). Heck, I was cussing when I saw your post in the MP and I missed out! I'd have bought it in a heartbeat (and saved a couple of hundred $$$ in the process).
I've already got the AT&T GSIII, so I'm not sure how much of an upgrade the Note II would be for me. I mean, I KNOW it would be an upgrade in some areas, but I'm just trying to figure out if it warrants the $$$ (and the money isn't a problem for me...I'm just debating myself as I always do on large purchases). I'd be buying off-contract (as I did with the SIII), so it's not a small amount of money.
I usually get my phones, the off-contract ones at least, from Best Buy because of their generous 30-day return window and their price matching. I guess I could always grab a Note II and give it a go for a couple of weeks. Then I'll know for sure whether it's a worthy upgrade or not and if not, I can always return it without a restocking fee.
Glad to see you got things figured out. Sorry I missed out on buying your Note II, but glad to see you got it sold quickly! :good:
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We have pretty good LTE coverage here...and I do use it..and I also had my time with 3 of the G3's...when they worked that is..
Looking at things objectively...is the Note 2 a upgrade worthy enough to leave the G3...IMHO...you bet it is especially if you like big screens...and can use the S-pen...
If those 2 things aren't enough to sway you...then maybe you should wait for the G 4 to come out...I would never go back to a G3 after using this one...to me it's leaps and bounds above them and custom roms will come...hell the sys dump for the ATT version just happened on the 6th of this month...so...IMHO...go get one and use it for a while...at least you will have a time with it to see what all the hubbub is about... and since they are still in short supply in many places...I don't think you will have any issue selling it if you don't like it..
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I don't regret leaving my gs3 one bit. You either want a bigger screen or you don't and the internals are certainly a bump up. Getting the note 2 was a little intimidating now I don't think I could go back to the gs3.

about att and international note 2 choices, basically the question is: LTE & warranty or lots more custom rom
I choose att version only because i like LTE. and i am sure the att version will have its asop, cm 10/11, miui, and some kernel.

vista1984 said:
about att and international note 2 choices, basically the question is: LTE & warranty or lots more custom rom
I choose att version only because i like LTE. and i am sure the att version will have its asop, cm 10/11, miui, and some kernel.
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The problem with ASOP with the Notes is the S pen apps don't always work as they are Samsung apps and Samsung has been hoarding their drivers as well. The FM Radio did not work in Cyanogen. Needed a $10 app to make it work Spirit UL I think it was. I like the Samsung stuff well enough and eliminate the Social apps so I stick with the Stock Samsung ROMS. Especially since I am not a flashaholic and prefer to stick with a good ROM that only gets updated when there are major updates.
OP;us I am running 4..1.2 now and the ATT Note was a step back as far as Multiview etc went. Roms will be coming but like with the Captivate most of the good stuff will be ported from the N7100 developers

I dont get it. You bought it and sold it. So you save 30 a month? Did you buy it out right or sign contract. Contract arent you IN contract so you pay anyway? Full price?
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carhigh said:
I dont get it. You bought it and sold it. So you save 30 a month? Did you buy it out right or sign contract. Contract arent you IN contract so you pay anyway? Full price?
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I bought it for $239 an signed a contract for two years I have been with ATT since Wireless began. I don;t plan on changing Carriers. We have had two upgrades for the past four years. I burned one to try the ATT version. Since I rooted it I don't feel right bringing it back and sold it instead made a few dollars toward the N7100 With the sale iof My Note either way it was going to cost me $300 to buy the N7100. Now it will be "free" or at most $100 more. I will use my wife's upgrade next year.
I buy her used International phones. She loves the SGS II i9100 and will be using that until it fails. Then I will find her a well used international SIII to keep her on the $30 non smartphone plan.
We pay $115 a month for two phones with UL everything except for the 1GB data Same as we were paying for two mediaNEt UL data phones with no messaging and 700 minutes. I don;t use a lot of carrier data with the FM radio especially.

Disregard me please. Im totally lost even more now. Att has a 1gb plan? I didnt know
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Thanks for the info
For me, its an easy choice. LTE. I live about 30 miles from AT&T headquarters, so LTE speed is amazing. As far as custom rom's go. I create my own stuff, so that does not concern me the slightest.
CM will come. Ive already setup the device tree, I just need to figure out the RIL stuff and defconfig in the kernel, to enable to qualcomm modem.

carhigh said:
Disregard me please. Im totally lost even more now. Att has a 1gb plan? I didnt know
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Yeah they have a family share plan with UL talk and messaging with 1 GB data shared. One smart phone and one dumb phone would be $115 a month. They charge $40 plus $30 for the "dumb" phone and $45 for the smart phone. If my wife were to get an ATT smart phone the bill would go up nearly $200 a year. $15 more a month Still sharing 1GB. Not worth it. I would go back to MediNet and two "dumb" phones. We have a couple old dumb phones we stick the SIM cards in when calling ATT. Except now I have declared a smart phone to get UL talk and messaging.
With 4GB shared the bill would be $15 more Her phone would Still be $30 the plan would go to $70 and my phone would drop to $40 Basically I would get 3GB more for another $25 a month. I would rather pay the extra $15 for 2GB if i should use over 1GB. Without LTE there is no way I would be using 2GB.
LTE is great. but for basic web browsing 4G is fine. Downloading huge ROM files would be nice at home with 30MPS LOL I would use the Carrier before the cable internet. But I don;t want to become dependent on high carrier speeds. Its like the carriers are drug dealers. they get you hooked then you pay pay pay.....

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Thanks for the info
For me, its an easy choice. LTE. I live about 30 miles from AT&T headquarters, so LTE speed is amazing. As far as custom rom's go. I create my own stuff, so that does not concern me the slightest.
CM will come. Ive already setup the device tree, I just need to figure out the RIL stuff and defconfig in the kernel, to enable to qualcomm modem.
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this is the best news i heard today