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Ok so what is the go with tegra 3 support, does htc manage the firmware or does nvidia have control over the updates that will be coming to these devices over the future ??.
Also do any games outside of tegra games actually support gpu acceleration or are they all cpu coded only for a wider support of devices ??.
I don't believe there are any CPU-rendered games out there that you should be worried about. If there are any at all, the quad-core can power through it. Saying that though, there are some games that are not optimized for T3 yet. One noticeable game is Small Street. Oh gosh that game lags so badly my eyes hurt... HTC does manage the firmware, but nVidia is still in charge of any driver updates for the SoC itself.
Below are the videos that I have made myself on my SGS3 running chainfire 3D Nvidia Plug-in.
Riptide GP (Tegra 3 optimized)
This video is to show you how enchanted graphics looked like for Nvidia Tegra 3 games on galaxy S3 without having Tegra 3 processor but a better processor
The advance detailed graphics, the water, water splashing effect and blurring of screen on applying boost is only because of these Nvidia Plugin. Use chainfire 3D on non-Tegra 3 devices to have graphics like Tegra 3 devices for Tegra 3 optimized games.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taWqyNpi74Y
N.O.V.A 3 (Tegra 3 Optimized)
This video is to show you how enchanted graphics looked like for Nvidia Tegra 3 games on galaxy S3 without having Tegra 3 processor but a better processor
The fire, smoke and falling object from sky are all because of this chainfire 3D and without this plug you would not get this funtionality.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncwiDEDdOdo
Sega Sonic 4 Episode II THD (Tegra 3 only Game)
This video is to show you how enchanted graphics looked like for Nvidia Tegra 3 games on galaxy S3 without having Tegra 3 processor but a better processor
This game works only on Tegra 3 devices and it is not out yet for non-Tegra 3 devices. If you do not have Tegra 4 device then install chainfire 3D drivers and Nvidia Plugin and it would run like a charm especially if you have a beast like Galaxy S3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEvCGpZuA8w
Max Payne (Tegra 3 Optimized)
S3 running Max Payne using chainfire 3D Nvidia plugin. However you can play these game without chainfire but as this game is optimized for Tegra 3 so it should show better graphics with chainfire drivers as this game is also optimized for Tegra 3. This way you would get better antistropic texture filtering and lighting effects.
http://youtu.be/hc5-2W4lfsU
GTA 3 (Tegra Optimized)
S3 running GTA3 using chainfire 3D Nvidia plugin. However you can play these game without chainfire but as this game is optimized for Tegra 3 so it should show better graphics with chainfire drivers as this game is also optimized for Tegra 3. This way you would get better antistropic texture filtering and lighting effects.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=por6KMuul7w
I would upload more videos here if I installed more games and have time to make more videos.
Nice! Can you test if Galaxy on Fire 2 works? Been waiting ages to get to play this game.
I was waiting for this, how does chainfire work? I thought it didn't on the S3 can you make a howto please?
I though that chainfire 3d couldn't do tegra3 games, but only tegra2 with the current nvidia plugin... what changed?
i can't find any tegra 3 plugins, i thought chainfire 3d only support tegra 2 games?
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I though that chainfire 3d couldn't do tegra3 games, but only tegra2 with the current nvidia plugin... what changed?
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Not all Tegra 3 exclusive games work. The Riptide GP, Max Payne, GTA 3 are made for all processors but optimized for Tegra 3 so these games works on galaxy S3 but you can enhance graphics (which they made for tegra 3) using chainfire 3D.
I have tested 2 Tegra 3 exclusive games Sonic 4 Episode II THD and Shadow Gun THD (Tegra 3 only) and Sonic works but Shadowgun does not work and just when you are about to download additional files it gives error that Tegra 3 enable device needed.
So chainfire 3D does work on Galaxy S3 for many Tegra 3 optimized games. Samurai Vengeance THD also works but it is a Tegra 2 game. I would try to test more Tegra 3 only game and I would report if anymore would work.
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Not all Tegra 3 exclusive games work. The Riptide GP, Max Payne, GTA 3 are made for all processors but optimized for Tegra 3 so these games works on galaxy S3 but you can enhance graphics (which they made for tegra 3) using chainfire 3D.
I have tested 2 Tegra 3 exclusive games Sonic 4 Episode II THD and Shadow Gun THD (Tegra 3 only) and Sonic works but Shadowgun does not work and just when you are about to download additional files it gives error that Tegra 3 enable device needed.
So chainfire 3D does work on Galaxy S3 for many Tegra 3 optimized games. Samurai Vengeance THD also works but it is a Tegra 2 game. I would try to test more Tegra 3 only game and I would report if anymore would work.
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I think you're confusing things. Shadowgun, gta3, max payne and more are tegra2 games, hence the plugin works with them. Sonic 4 episode II might be a tegra 3 game, but it's still compatible to tegra2 devices, hence again why the plugin works. Shadowgun THD is a tegra3 *only* game. It wont work on Tegra 2 devices and so far there's no plugin for chainfire that can work for it.
In other words, the current nvidia plugin can only work for tegra2 games.
can ı do it with the S2... galaxy on fire 2 tegra 3 worked well on my S2 device with chainfire 3d
Is this with the experimental driver or just normal installation?
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pennzoilgtr said:
i can't find any tegra 3 plugins, i thought chainfire 3d only support tegra 2 games?
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I am using same plugin. There is no new plugin. Not all Tegra 3 only games work some work like Sonic 4 Episode II works but Shadowgun THD (Tegra 3 only) does not work. Other games I have tested is not Tegra 3 only and run on other processors also but they are optimized for Tegra 3. Good thing is that these optimizations do work on Chainfire 3D which is good thing. At least you can play games in better graphics (enhanced for Tegra 3)
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Is this with the experimental driver or just normal installation?
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I have installed the experimental drivers as well but it should work without experimental as well because experimental drivers are required if you want to change the MSAA settings to 4x or 16x. The Riptide GP video that I have shot is using 16x MSAA however without 16x MSAA it still looks as awesome as this.
Galaxy on Fire 2
zombie112 said:
Nice! Can you test if Galaxy on Fire 2 works? Been waiting ages to get to play this game.
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I am downloading it now and I would report shortly whether it is working or not.
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I think you're confusing things. Shadowgun, gta3, max payne and more are tegra2 games, hence the plugin works with them. Sonic 4 episode II might be a tegra 3 game, but it's still compatible to tegra2 devices, hence again why the plugin works. Shadowgun THD is a tegra3 *only* game. It wont work on Tegra 2 devices and so far there's no plugin for chainfire that can work for it.
In other words, the current nvidia plugin can only work for tegra2 games.
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You might be correct but Sonic 4 Episode II is Tegra 3 only at the moment. They would release the Tegra 3 version shortly. I am not confusing it and if you read my posts then I am saying that I am testing those game which works on other processors (beside Tegra 3) but enhanced for Tegra 3. So if you play N.O.V.A 3 on galaxy S3 then you would not get fire, smoke, burning objects falling from sky, lighting effects and other cool effects. You get these effects on Tegra 3 devices but with chainfire 3D you can get these effects. Same is true for Riptide GP. You would water splashing effects, better water effects and blurring effect on turbo boost using Chainfire 3D only. If you check both these games are optimized for tegra 3 games. Check the photos and description in the market for both these games. You don't get these effects on even Tegra 2 devices.
Also in GTA 3 the textures and cars are more detailed using chainfire 3D and I am not sure about GTA 3 whether it is optimized for Tegra 2 or Tegra 3.
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I think you're confusing things. Shadowgun, gta3, max payne and more are tegra2 games, hence the plugin works with them. Sonic 4 episode II might be a tegra 3 game, but it's still compatible to tegra2 devices, hence again why the plugin works. Shadowgun THD is a tegra3 *only* game. It wont work on Tegra 2 devices and so far there's no plugin for chainfire that can work for it.
In other words, the current nvidia plugin can only work for tegra2 games.
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I said earlier that I am more interested in games which are optimized for Tegra 3 to get the visual enhancement. Shawdowgun THD is totally a different game to for download for only Tegra 3 devices and the download for additional files is blocked if you are not using Tegra 3 device. I would check other Tegra 3 only game beside Sonic 4 Espisode II as well whether they work or not but to me the visual enhancement for Tegra 3 optimized (not Tegra 3 only) is good enough reason to install chainfire 3D and I give full credit to chainfire and thank him to make it happen for non-Tegra devices as well. I wish if he can update the drivers to fool the shadowgun THD as well then it would be cool. There is no doubt S3 has better GPU than Tegra 3.
How to install and configure chainfire 3D
Mafiatounes said:
I was waiting for this, how does chainfire work? I thought it didn't on the S3 can you make a howto please?
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I can do the how to video but it is already covered here on XDA forum before. Please search on the forum. The installation is same as on every other mobile i.e.
1-Root your mobile phone
2-Install Chainfire 3D from market (buy pro version if you want per app setting)
3-Once installed, download 3 plugins (you can search through google) Nvidia, Qualcomm, Power PVR
4- Put these three file on your SD Card and install them from within the chainfire 3d application by going to install plugin/shaders
5- once installed open default OpenGL settings and click on use plugin. Chose Nvidia and go back. You are done and start playing game.
6-If you have pro-version then you can do per app settings instead of using default GL settings. Per app settings is also needed if any one of your particular game does not work with these drivers and you can setting plugin to none for that particular game.
I hope it helps.
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Nice! Can you test if Galaxy on Fire 2 works? Been waiting ages to get to play this game.
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I have tested and the game Galaxy on Fire 2 THD works fine Below is the link where you can see this game on Galaxy S3. The video I have made is crappy and jurky but the game works totally smooth. I think it is Tegra 2 game. I am uploading the video on the below link and in 12 minutes it would be up and running:
http://youtu.be/0SHQ_eVb4xk
Thanks for pushing the thanks button. I appreciate that
Shadown Gun THD is not working on SGS2 with chainfired 3d.. it might not work on SGS3 as well, I guess.
Im now deleting the max paynes mali gpu data files and pasting the tegra 3 s data files.. I hope it will work from my last saved game Im just experimenting.
and can you send me the tegra sd files of riptide gp and the .apk file or tell me which version are you using ?.. because I couldnt find the proper thd version of riptide gp.
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Thanks for pushing the thanks button. I appreciate that
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Thanks to you I can play the greatest mobile game ever!
Guess it's time to root then...
saadi703 said:
I can do the how to video but it is already covered here on XDA forum before. Please search on the forum. The installation is same as on every other mobile i.e.
1-Root your mobile phone
2-Install Chainfire 3D from market (buy pro version if you want per app setting)
3-Once installed, download 3 plugins (you can search through google) Nvidia, Qualcomm, Power PVR
4- Put these three file on your SD Card and install them from within the chainfire 3d application by going to install plugin/shaders
5- once installed open default OpenGL settings and click on use plugin. Chose Nvidia and go back. You are done and start playing game.
6-If you have pro-version then you can do per app settings instead of using default GL settings. Per app settings is also needed if any one of your particular game does not work with these drivers and you can setting plugin to none for that particular game.
I hope it helps.
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Thanks a lot, it is the normal procedure then like it was for the S2 just wanted to make sure I will apply it as soon as i get my blue S3!
will loading the nvidia plugin cause the game to detect a tegra processor and automatically download the files for it or do i have to find them for each game and manually paste them in?
Hello, i palyed nova on my desire hd and it was ok, a bit laggy. Now i started plaing on nexus 7 and its... more laggy with hiper ultra graphic.... is there any way to turn graphic a bit down? I know on order and chaos its enaught to change optimozation=1 to optimizaton=3 in phonelist.txt but i have no idea for nova. My nexus is all stock.
Smexi-Nexi
What battery life you got when playing? As I find all my games lag under 25-30% really strange
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Its the same with 80 as 25 or 50. Just bad. OR gameloft didnt optimized yet nova 3...
Smexi-Nexi
Gameloft did not optimize the game for Tegra3.
Combine that with the fact that tegra3 has an abysmal memory bandwidth and a weak GPU.
The only reason google chose tegra3 for N7 is because it's the cheapest quad core SoC available.
So i hope in nexus 10 with S4 quad...... but forn now.... didmt gameloft said they will optimize nova3, mc3 and few other games specificly for n7?
Smexi-Nexi
Tarhaomenapuu said:
So i hope in nexus 10 with S4 quad...... but forn now.... didmt gameloft said they will optimize nova3, mc3 and few other games specificly for n7?
Smexi-Nexi
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you gotta root your N7 and install the clemsyn kernel to get the most out of gameloft titles. you don't even need to oc the cpu it's what he has done with the gpu that matters. clemsyn has two different versions a 650mhz gpu that i use and a 700mhz gpu just released either one will make nova3 play with no issues. you can also play asphalt7 with the high rez maps enabled which are off by default. trust me the clemsyn kernels are gaming kernels and they WORK.
cheers
The tegra 3 isn't slow by any means. Its that the game is not optimized at all. Its specifically related to Gameloft games. Phones with weaker gpus run it fine. The tegra 3 has plenty of power to run it.
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runs fine here with any kernel ive tried with the stock, aosp, or rasbean jelly roms. try redownloading the game data.
Sorry but i dont mean changing kernel or rom.... not on freash fully supported device...
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Tarhaomenapuu said:
Sorry but i dont mean changing kernel or rom.... not on freash fully supported device...
Smexi-Nexi
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no, dont change the kernel or rom, try redownloading/reinstalling the game/data.
blackhand1001 said:
The tegra 3 isn't slow by any means. Its that the game is not optimized at all. Its specifically related to Gameloft games. Phones with weaker gpus run it fine. The tegra 3 has plenty of power to run it.
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+1 my gs2 runs it like a champ as well as my buddys metropcs esteem
Ok, ill redownload, i have to change tab due to omfg screen lift anyway.
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darkchazz said:
Gameloft did not optimize the game for Tegra3.
Combine that with the fact that tegra3 has an abysmal memory bandwidth and a weak GPU.
The only reason google chose tegra3 for N7 is because it's the cheapest quad core SoC available.
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ok for memory bandwith,but i don't think the tegra3 gpu is "weak".i can play good games with a power vr 540 on mine 2 gnex,with the tegra3 gpu i have wonderful graphic,especially with tegra optimized games.honestly s3 mali apart,i think geforce ulp is the best ATM .don't think adreno 225 is better that ours..only a rivisited 220 with directx support.and the fact of have tegra optimized games for me it'a good think.i was totally unsatisfied with tegra2 Soc,but with tegra3 in a device like n7,i'm good to go.i play nova without problem,not have like op sad
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ok for memory bandwith,but i don't think the tegra3 gpu is "weak".i can play good games with a power vr 540 on mine 2 gnex,with the tegra3 gpu i have wonderful graphic,especially with tegra optimized games.honestly s3 mali apart,i think geforce ulp is the best ATM .don't think adreno 225 is better that ours..only a rivisited 220 with directx support.and the fact of have tegra optimized games for me it'a good think.i was totally unsatisfied with tegra2 Soc,but with tegra3 in a device like n7,i'm good to go.i play nova without problem,not have like op sad
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Yeah, and the tegra 3 does a great job with the 2d rendering of android 4.0+. The adreno accelerates very little of the interface and the Mali (friends epic 4g touch) while fast was never as smooth as my nexus on cyanogenmod even with that low res screen.
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Nova 3 and most other Gameloft games have always run like dodo on my N7 and Prime (both tegra 3 devices), its not your hardware, custom kernels do help a little but not nearly enough to provide an enjoyable game experience, I'm gonna assume most who say Nova 3 runs fine with no lag, are more casual gamers rather then hard core gamers, this group generally accepts that anything over 15 FPS is "smooth gameplay to them", which is hardly smooth to me, as i'm in the group labelled hard core gamer. To me smooth is 60 FPS and above, the higher the FPS the smoother the gameplay is gonna feel, also micro stutters/freezes and pauses is not smooth, the term smooth is subjective...granted there isnt a FRAPS type utility for android however if you are a experienced hard core gamer you can generally estimate the FPS your getting, Nova on my N7 along with most other Gameloft games I'd say runs anywhere between 15- 40 FPS, if it was optimized it would alot smoother much like shadowgun dead trigger run, or Dark Meadow on the Unreal 3 engine.
casual gamers or hardcore gamers like you,when a person play a games and say that it's smooth,it's smooth and stop,i don't know why we should be hardcore gamers only to see if a games lags or not.Anyway i'm triyng few games of gameloft (not tegra optimized) and i admit that nova 3 it isn't perfect,need a bit of optimization yet.on mine gnex instaed runs very well,with power vr sgx 540 overclocked at 512 mhz
New Anti-Lag Apk
djkinetic said:
Nova 3 and most other Gameloft games have always run like dodo on my N7 and Prime (both tegra 3 devices), its not your hardware, custom kernels do help a little but not nearly enough to provide an enjoyable game experience, I'm gonna assume most who say Nova 3 runs fine with no lag, are more casual gamers rather then hard core gamers, this group generally accepts that anything over 15 FPS is "smooth gameplay to them", which is hardly smooth to me, as i'm in the group labelled hard core gamer. To me smooth is 60 FPS and above, the higher the FPS the smoother the gameplay is gonna feel, also micro stutters/freezes and pauses is not smooth, the term smooth is subjective...granted there isnt a FRAPS type utility for android however if you are a experienced hard core gamer you can generally estimate the FPS your getting, Nova on my N7 along with most other Gameloft games I'd say runs anywhere between 15- 40 FPS, if it was optimized it would alot smoother much like shadowgun dead trigger run, or Dark Meadow on the Unreal 3 engine.
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I recently put together an Anti-Lag mod of this game which you can download form here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L40UZCTDC0
Hey guys, many of you will know that most games you play lack in FPS, most commonly in NFS most wanted or real racing 3, heck ive even see people say Temple run lags.
Some people say, Developers need to make the games work with the 16 core GPU as its not that common.
I looked it up, and it turns out that even though its a 16 core GPU it isnt even nearly as good as the Adreno 320 found in the nexus 4, Xperia Z etc and that the CPU Isnt as good as last years processors ( SD S4 Pro, Nvidia Quad core Tegra 3 )
to be fair I already knew that the Processor wasnt that good, but for anyone who says that their games arent running well its because of that.
I have to give a hand to Huawei though, in there recent firmware updates the benchmark scores have been getting higher, which is great meaning the processor, RAM and GPU are all working a little bit better then they were before.
Im just curious as to how long they can keep updating it to be better, it wont take long until mainstream games require a minimum of the equivalent of the Adreno 330.
Ive also read that the Huawei Ascend P6 + is it? The phablet version will have a better processor clocked at 1.6ghz and maybe a better GPU?
Anyone got any more info? or do games run well enough for you not to care?
Let me know
- Jack
The gaming performance is mixed. See this video: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HH8LskTQQWA
As you can see, some high graphics demanding games work well while others not. I don't game on mobile so didn't try any gaming except two days ago with Shadowgun: deadzone. I use B118. While on the video above, it only complains about glitches on panning, but for me oddly the whole graphics was corrupted and unplayable. Maybe someone with B117 or B116 Roms could check if shadowgun works better.
But I still doubt its a problem with the processor. Because the benchmarks are close to the Nexus 4 and S3. I doubt also there are any games made that would not be compatible with those devices and hence if it can work on that, it should work on the P6. It would take another year atleast before game developers plan to ignore Nexus 4 and Samsung S3.** Hence problem seems to come down to optimization.* (Also, with the shadowgun updating itself a week ago, they have officially said that the new update has problem with all Samsungs devices cause of its GPU and they would come with a fix. This could be the same issue with P6 that these games haven't been made to optimize for Vivante GC 4000.)
Furthermore, I also think that the unique abilities of the Huawei like the 64bit memory etc are not being taken advantage off because of other processors lacking it.
As for news on K3V3 and K3V2 Pro processor and the new P6S, see:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2487791
It's not a good gpu, never has been, it is not optimized for almost anything, because there are only 2 phones that use this gpu. The cpu isnt that fast either. A Nexus 4 (Which costs as much as P6) is way better in performance, support, user customisations, stock rom etc.
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It's not a good gpu, never has been, it is not optimized for almost anything, because there are only 2 phones that use this gpu. The cpu isnt that fast either. A Nexus 4 (Which costs as much as P6) is way better in performance, support, user customisations, stock rom etc.
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The nexus 4 is almost half the price at £159 for the 8gb and the huawei ascend P6 retails at £329 ( although its gone down from £329 too £309 to £279 )
The nexus 4 seems like the better option, ive had one, they're quick, good looking but the battery sucks and so does the camera.
Honestly, the only reason i want a P6 is the amazing build, i want a metal phone so badly ! and apparently the camera isnt half bad
Optimization seems to be the problem. Agreed. But can it be solved by firmware updates ? Or is it totally dependent on game developers ? Android 4.4 brings better optimizations including for games supposedly. So that would be one option im looking forward too. So if android is better optimized maybe soon the super power processors would get tough to differentiate on usage performance and would become less important.
If the GPU is inherently bad, then how can the likes of real racing 3, asphalt 8, modern warfare 4 work perfectly fine on it ?
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If the GPU is inherently bad, then how can the likes of real racing 3, asphalt 8, modern warfare 4 work perfectly fine on it ?
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I just played Asphalt 7 on the P6...lagging in menu's and in gameplay...
Engineers at HUAWEI screwed up a bit when chosing the GPU for otherwise pretty nice chip. While the GPU has an ok performance, since its olny present on very few devices, devs aren't showing much love. This is understandable, because I can see why devs wouldn't want to spend resources on optimizing their app for a GPU noone really has.
Since I don't use my device for gaming, I'm quite satisfied with my purchase.
Performance comparison of the GPU: http://tieba.baidu.com/p/2671145379?lp=5027&is_bakan=0&mo_device=1
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Shadowgun: Deadzone works like this on my B118.
Any idea why the green man walking in screen happens ? I get in black too. And odd part is that i have seen users getting this problem when they play temple run even though there are other users including online reviews that find temple run working very smooth and fluid.
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Shadowgun: Deadzone works like this on my B118.
Any idea why the green man walking in screen happens ? I get in black too. And odd part is that i have seen users getting this problem when they play temple run even though there are other users including online reviews that find temple run working very smooth and fluid.
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i have the solution delete cache of the game this is because the game try to save textures in sd card or something like that
Hi, lags in games are because Huawei runs a QEMU'd "Android Emulator" called Goldfish. Its same emulator as used by Android SDK on our computers
They also patched the Kernel for avoid flickering. Witch is needed if using real GPU in Goldfish.
Both in that mix are Horrorful for whole system Performance.
U can see this really bad on Benchmarks and heavy 3D Games.
GPU is faster as Tegra 3 (May about 30%) belive it or not
Traace said:
Hi, lags in games are because Huawei runs a QEMU'd "Android Emulator" called Goldfish. Its same emulator as used by Android SDK on our computers
They also patched the Kernel for avoid flickering. Witch is needed if using real GPU in Goldfish.
Both in that mix are Horrorful for whole system Performance.
U can see this really bad on Benchmarks and heavy 3D Games.
GPU is faster as Tegra 3 (May about 30%) belive it or not
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Yea must say im disappointed with GPU power on my P6 :/. My old SII is better in games :/
Is it really? I have no problem with graphics on it. If I want to play a game I generally use my PC. The P6 plays the little games perfectly.
Even Qualcomms new mid range 1.4ghz quad core processor is getting better antutu scores
http://androidcommunity.com/qualcom...rocessor-aimed-at-mid-range-devices-20131101/
I hope trace is right in that the kernal and so on are messed up by Huawei and hence the Huawei processors underperforming than what it really can. But more than games im actually looking out for the processor doing something special using up its unique capabilities like 64bit memory, more cores, and so on. Thereby allowing features like touchless control and advanced programming capabilities, better user interface performance and better battery management. Phones like Moto x and iPhones seem to perform much advanced even though they don't carry the highest end specs. And I would like such smart performance.
4 part series in-depth look into Vivante GPU:
http://semiaccurate.com/2013/09/11/vivante-gpu-tech-2d-uis/
Another review:
http://hothardware.com/Reviews/Vivante-Challenging-the-Status-Quo-In-Mobile-GPUs/
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4 part series in-depth look into Vivante GPU:
http://semiaccurate.com/2013/09/11/vivante-gpu-tech-2d-uis/
Another review:
http://hothardware.com/Reviews/Vivante-Challenging-the-Status-Quo-In-Mobile-GPUs/
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Nice.
P6 has 64bit Memory Hardware, but its scaled down to 32bits while processing cause Java cant use
Phone Hardware is a beast even if GPU based on Adreno200. This is 16Core, orginal Adreno200 is 1-2Core.
Dual sim version
Is huawei ascend P6 dual sim version released???
This GPU is really good in physics, better then my wifes optimus g with adreno 320. And if u run YouiLabs Shader Test, adreno wont even start the BALL test. Looks like adreno cant handle it. So this gpu seems be great in shaders and physics.
Hello,
I would like to ask about overclocking my device - Zenfone 2 ZE550ML 720p (1,8GHz/2GB RAM). Im playing games on my phone a lot when Im on the trips and later the newest games are started lagging like.. Order and Chaos 2, Dungeon Hunter 5 or Eternity Warriors 4 arent running flawlessly either.
I wanted to ask if I can overclock my CPU and GPU to higher values to get better performance since CPU model is Z3560 (1,8GHz) is almost the same as Z3580 with 2,3GHz and Z3570 got highest GPU frequency with 640Mhz - we got 544MHz or so?)
Samsung Note 5 or Iphone 6 can run these games without any issue why our device cant? :|
Also dungeon hunter 5 looks really awful like on my old Mali 450 device and my friend with S6 got a lot better graphics .. (resolution looks like 480p on mine - textures are really bad)..
Is there any way how to overclock CPU/GPU or its locked by Intel? Should I try custom ROM to get better performance in games or it would make it even worse?
Zenfone 2 got highest GFX Bench values for GPU its over S6/Note5/Iphone6/OneplusOne.. but games are running better on these devices..
Thank you for your help.. my device isnt roother either flashed to another rom Im running on stock but I have no problem rooting my device as long as I can play games without lag.
Intel needs optimisation i think...
Anyone please answer ?
Thanks
The iPhone 6 and Galaxy S6 have better GPUs. The ZenFone 2 uses the same GPU as the iPhone 5S, and it's slightly better than the Adreno 330 used in the Galaxy S5 and the LG G3.
For GFXBench, makes sure you're comparing the "Offscreen" scores.
Well thank you for the answer but I didnt ask for this.. I know what GPU CPU RAM ROM etc.. this phone got. I wouldnt buy it if I didnt do little research. Why I should check Offscreen values when I got 720p display ? Its just nonsense or games are rendered for 1080px in default? Cannot be true..
Onscreen value is the one that we should compare. And there are only 2 phones that can beat Zenfone 2 ZE550ML... so why games are lagging.. while it doesnt on other phones.
Its not overclockable until today. Kernel can set higher clockspeed but the SOC (GPU&CPU) will not run faster than spec clock.
Laggy games
what there is experience if we play the game, then zenfone 2 will feel the heat and the games that we play becomes laggy? does anyone have a solution?
Thank you.
Check Project T. They have an under/overclocked kernel. It goes up to 2ghz. It's not much, but makes a difference. Only read about it, so I don't know if they overclocked the gpu as well.
Rageweawer said:
Well thank you for the answer but I didnt ask for this.. I know what GPU CPU RAM ROM etc.. this phone got. I wouldnt buy it if I didnt do little research. Why I should check Offscreen values when I got 720p display ? Its just nonsense or games are rendered for 1080px in default? Cannot be true..
Onscreen value is the one that we should compare. And there are only 2 phones that can beat Zenfone 2 ZE550ML... so why games are lagging.. while it doesnt on other phones.
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You were comparing to the Note 5 and iPhone 6, both phones have much more powerful GPUs.
And the offscreen scores just give you a uniform comparison for different GPUs.
But Note 5, Edge and S6 got 2K display my Zenfone ZE550ML is 720p so there isnt any way why this phone would need stronger GPU. When I benchmark GFXBench Im at the same values or at better values than these phones.. its not really about the stronger GPU.. I dont want to be rude guys but Im complete newbie in this and I think that I got more knowledge than all of you. When you are playing game then onscreen value is counted you arent playing on 2K when you have only 720p display.. thats why ZE550ML with 720p display got bigger 3D score than 1080px version ZE551ML.
As i said, this is a intel chip and the Houdini conversion must probably still have some improvement.
For me, this is a software issue....
Rageweawer said:
But Note 5, Edge and S6 got 2K display my Zenfone ZE550ML is 720p so there isnt any way why this phone would need stronger GPU. When I benchmark GFXBench Im at the same values or at better values than these phones.. its not really about the stronger GPU.. I dont want to be rude guys but Im complete newbie in this and I think that I got more knowledge than all of you. When you are playing game then onscreen value is counted you arent playing on 2K when you have only 720p display.. thats why ZE550ML with 720p display got bigger 3D score than 1080px version ZE551ML.
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wow.. but in reality those devices still beats us.. blame the x86 or intel chipset then.. maybe the games is slower because it needs to be translated from ARM to x86 in zf2.. and another thing, our CPU antutu score is only around 46-48k for ze551ml, you cant compare S6 with 60k antutu.. CPU influences GPU performance too..
cangcan said:
wow.. but in reality those devices still beats us.. blame the x86 or intel chipset then.. maybe the games is slower because it needs to be translated from ARM to x86 in zf2.. and another thing, our CPU antutu score is only around 46-48k for ze551ml, you cant compare S6 with 60k antutu.. CPU influences GPU performance too..
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Btw these are becoz, games are not well optimised for power vr gpu and x86 sadly... Gameloft optimize much for mali gpu, as they teamed up, while many games optimized for adreno
And graphics benchmarks using cpu and gpu not just gpu.. So the scores they scored are including cpu, gpu.. .
Well Im gonna wait for Snapdragon 820 and then I will buy a new phone.. or I will pick Meizu 5 Pro with Exynos 7420.. I though Zenfone 2 will be good device for another 2 years in case of gaming but I got this device for 6 months and games started lagging.. because this phone isnt strong enough thats so sad.. I even skipped ZE551ML for only ZE550ML to have 720p display so FPS in games would be better.. but this phone cant even run newest games on full fps.
Can someone verify if its only my problem that games are lagging or its because of the low power of this device? (Maybe someone who got CM12.1 can check if there is better performance?)
Games:
Dungeon Hunter 5
Order and Chaos 2
Eternity Warriors 4
Asphalt 8 (started lagging little bit too after last update on highest settings)
Every game from this list is play-able but for example Dungeon Hunter 5 got really bad graphic and feels like 15 FPS, same goes for Eternity Warriors 4 and Order and Chaos 2 is running normally like 60 FPS and then lag for a second and making it really awful to play.
Thanks
Rageweawer said:
Well Im gonna wait for Snapdragon 820 and then I will buy a new phone.. or I will pick Meizu 5 Pro with Exynos 7420.. I though Zenfone 2 will be good device for another 2 years in case of gaming but I got this device for 6 months and games started lagging.. because this phone isnt strong enough thats so sad.. I even skipped ZE551ML for only ZE550ML to have 720p display so FPS in games would be better.. but this phone cant even run newest games on full fps.
Can someone verify if its only my problem that games are lagging or its because of the low power of this device? (Maybe someone who got CM12.1 can check if there is better performance?)
Games:
Dungeon Hunter 5
Order and Chaos 2
Eternity Warriors 4
Asphalt 8 (started lagging little bit too after last update on highest settings)
Every game from this list is play-able but for example Dungeon Hunter 5 got really bad graphic and feels like 15 FPS, same goes for Eternity Warriors 4 and Order and Chaos 2 is running normally like 60 FPS and then lag for a second and making it really awful to play.
Thanks
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Not to be rude or anything. But I guess it goes with the saying... "you get what you paid for".... Technically and almost often, the more you pay the more you get. Ip6 and s6 are not eligible comparison to zf2 for 3 reasons.
1. Specs
2. Price
3. They both belong to high end high price phones while zf2 belongs to the mid range.
Just my two cents.
I have never noticed these game stutters and problems other people seem to have. I don't game on my phone much these days, but my 550 and my memo pad 7 me572 (same ram and same atom 3560 as the 550 but 1200p display) have had no trouble with games when ever I have.
If u are in stock rom just go to power saver app and use the customized mode ..... Use high performance and extend battery standby by choosing only the apps u wantbto give uodates in background in notification panel
Performance will improve and no change in battery
livewire168 said:
Not to be rude or anything. But I guess it goes with the saying... "you get what you paid for".... Technically and almost often, the more you pay the more you get. Ip6 and s6 are not eligible comparison to zf2 for 3 reasons.
1. Specs
2. Price
3. They both belong to high end high price phones while zf2 belongs to the mid range.
Just my two cents.
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Well I would never buy iPhone 6 or S6.. because S6 here in Czech republic (Europe) cost over 1000 USD while Meizu 5 Pro will cost around 500-550 USD and performs better than S6 with the same hardware.. I got my ZE550ML almost the first day that it was released for 260 USD. I was doing a big research especially about the gaming performance and I found that Zenfone 2 is out performing every mobile phone even One Plus One - the flag ship killer. Because its 720p display ZE550ML had the most FPS in every syntetic 3D benchmark. There simply wasnt stronger phone at the time I bough this phone for 3D performance.
Thats why I also dont get it why games laggs on this phone while FPS is so high... S6 got 2k display and got lower onscreen FPS values than Zenfone 2 onscreen. Why is game lagging then. I had no problem to pay 500USD for a phone that could run every game flawlessly for around 1,5 year.. and I though Zenfone with these FPS values was enough so why would I buy 1000 USD or 500 USD phone when Zenfone for 260 USD had the most FPS ? If zenfone 2 had 20 FPS average and 500 USD phone had 60 FPS I would definetly buy 500 USD phone.. but when ZF2 had 35 FPS in TRex and 500 USD phone had 30 FPS.
Thats why I didnt get any MT6752/3 phone with Mali T760 / 720 (MP2?) because they are getting like 7 FPS and cost 150-200USD (almost same as ZF2 - they got even higher antutu because of the CPU but GPU is just trash in MTK SoC).
I will get new Letv/Meizu/Xiaomi for 450 USD that should be released in about 2 months I hope so.. but now Im finding if there is a way that ZF 2 can be capable of playing these games without lags.
- Overclock
- ROM change
- Factory reset ? (I guess it wouldnt help)
- ??
android lover 2000 said:
If u are in stock rom just go to power saver app and use the customized mode ..... Use high performance and extend battery standby by choosing only the apps u wantbto give uodates in background in notification panel
Performance will improve and no change in battery
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There is zero performance incerase even if I play games in ultra power safe mode they are just running the same as in performance mode.. looks like placeholder for "newbie" people.
Hmm... in this case, something is wrong with your phone. On mine, its a clear difference.