Is the sad truth that our phones will never be as smooth as it was while running gingerbread?
is it just me or will our phones ever live up to the stability of GB? I have used every ROM since I bought this phone..and GB is the "pinnacle" of software for our phone.
Now this is my first Android phone but is this the case with other phones? I.e. the software shipped with the phone is the best suited version.
Just trying to see if anyone feels the same way as I do...
Well the phone was built around that OS. Guess its like having a PC that came with XP and wanting to throw on a custom made Windows 8 OS on it.
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I'll have to politely disagree
I actually have have my phone feel more smooth on ICS and even more smoother on jelly bean.. I was on ginger bread stock for the longest time before I found out about xda and my experience has been way better since then... I even reverted back recently to try a GB Rom and felt like my experience was still better on ICS /JB
But I understand where u coming from. Every one has different experiences
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Cm9 is awesome.
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Sure, I agree that ICS and JB are way better than GB..much "sexier" to have. Matter fact, JB has sucked me back in to loving my phone. However, the argument is that no matter how hard the devs try, who do a damn good job, GB will be far and away the best OS for our phone. This includes stability, dependability and of course battery life, among other things :good:
Its not our phones fault sprint gave us a jacked ota :/
Gb wasn't always 'perfect' but ics, and eventually jb we'll most likely be just as pleasing as gb, If not more, with more features. Just give her time
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Is the sad truth that our phones will never be as smooth as it was while running gingerbread?
is it just me or will our phones ever live up to the stability of GB? I have used every ROM since I bought this phone..and GB is the "pinnacle" of software for our phone.
Now this is my first Android phone but is this the case with other phones? I.e. the software shipped with the phone is the best suited version.
Just trying to see if anyone feels the same way as I do...
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Its just you. I've had an amazing experience since Ff09 or whatever that leak was
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thegoodrat said:
Is the sad truth that our phones will never be as smooth as it was while running gingerbread?
is it just me or will our phones ever live up to the stability of GB? I have used every ROM since I bought this phone..and GB is the "pinnacle" of software for our phone.
Now this is my first Android phone but is this the case with other phones? I.e. the software shipped with the phone is the best suited version.
Just trying to see if anyone feels the same way as I do...
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Just you. Here I am rocking CM9b1.
I totally feel what your saying..cuz other phones on sprint have smooth stock ics other than ours..we can go back and fourth but the fact of the matter is samsung and sprint released a half a** update for ics ..and god bless the developers trying to improve the ics experiance!
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Could not agree more. I am back on gb after using ics for a while its insane the stability and smoothness of this phone on gb. Ics is smooth but gb just destroyed it on our phone!
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ICS is working fine fine with me.
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I also agree that Ics does not match gb YET. But they are making progress fi03 has shown us hope of that. It looks a little smoother and showing major improvement I'm both battery and signal. So Sammy is listening and working to smooth out ics. Keep in mind that there is even a newer build that we don't have yet fi06 who knows whats fixed in that. And I am willing to bet we will get some more drops this month of they continue with this pattern . So let's try and stay optimistic Sammy definitely has the financial backing now to afford good support for there devices. And since the s2 is still selling very well Sammy is continuing support and with Motorola making such a public announcement about there jb support you know sammy is gonna compete with that. So even of ics doesn't become perfect they will probably get it right in jb. Either way a little patience and optimisim will go a long way the future looks bright for our phone.
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I also agree that Ics does not match gb YET. But they are making progress fi03 has shown us hope of that. It looks a little smoother and showing major improvement I'm both battery and signal. So Sammy is listening and working to smooth out ics. Keep in mind that there is even a newer build that we don't have yet fi06 who knows whats fixed in that. And I am willing to bet we will get some more drops this month of they continue with this pattern . So let's try and stay optimistic Sammy definitely has the financial backing now to afford good support for there devices. And since the s2 is still selling very well Sammy is continuing support and with Motorola making such a public announcement about there jb support you know sammy is gonna compete with that. So even of ics doesn't become perfect they will probably get it right in jb. Either way a little patience and optimisim will go a long way the future looks bright for our phone.
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Damn like this totally made me think this was an election gig and your looking for a vote haha ..RIGHT ON!!
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I honestly never had an issue with ICS even with the past leaks besides the Wimax bug which is now fixed. Maybe phones have different effects to software. Idk but that emmc bug never affected me and I used the stock recovery to wipe more than once on several occasions lol..
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You guys must not be doing clean installs with full wipes and just doing the ota update. I haven't had any issues with ICS or JB, but I always do a thorough wipe before flashing anything and I only use aosp based roms, like AOKP or PA. I'm not a fan of TWiz so I only run it long enough to do PrL and Profile updates :shrug: if you're having issues with ICS or JB I recommend doing a thorough wipe and then flash a rom and start fresh, left over data and incompatible apps can cause all kinds of issues. I think the only reason the carriers don't wipe data on OTAs is cuz its easier to listen to ppl ***** about the update sucking than it is to listen to em ***** the update erased all their games and apps . They should just force data wipe on OTA and use the Google sync function to restore most data after a clean install, but still people would complain they lost their texts and other assorted crap that if its honestly that important should be getting saved to their external SD cards anyways, cuz if the phone breaks you're gonna lose your sh!t atleast if its on the external SD you can salvage it :thumbup:
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Yes I do every time. Try flashing back to el29 run it for a day or two then flash back to ics and tell me you don't see the difference. It's pretty night and day. I am willing most people that are satisfied with ics are either just happy that's it's a little but better than the ff18. **** we were given or aren't comparing it to el29 maybe cause they never ran it or it's been So long they forgot what it feels like. When you flash back to el29 coming from ics that actually feels like the upgrade. Especially on ph 4.1
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Cm9 is a smoother experience to me at least. Also I'm getting even better battery life than on calks 3.0
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Its not our phones fault sprint gave us a jacked ota :/
Gb wasn't always 'perfect' but ics, and eventually jb we'll most likely be just as pleasing as gb, If not more, with more features. Just give her time
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This is my thought exactly. We had what, 3 or 4 official builds of GB before they got it right? And we are on number 2 for ICS.
And with that being said, I am not having any problems with ICS. The last two leaks are running great and I don't miss GB at all.
Everybody has there own experience and opinions, this is just mine.
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I agree with the OP. GB was a much more stable experience. I've flashed dozens of roms both clean and keeping user data and while ICS/JB are definitely improvements to the OS feature-wise, they tend to fail at stability including bugs, battery life, reception, and performance. I've only found one ICS rom that has actually managed a better battery life than calk's EL29 GB and that's re-calked 1.9. As far as reception goes, I get 0-1 bar on ANY ICS/JB rom/kernel/modem combo I've tried here at work and I always get 1-3 bars on GB combos such as EL26 or EL29. Performance is much better on GB for the simple reason that there's less stuff and the improvements in OS efficiency are not enough to offset the increased resource usage of all those cool new features. I also have yet to find an ICS/JB rom that handles scrolling as well as GB... with 4.x when you scroll it's either manually by holding your finger and dragging slowly to pan down or it's superobnoxiously fast and you go from top to bottom but have a hard time scrolling to anywhere just shy of the top or bottom without manually panning to those points. On GB the scrolling is slower so on a long page it may take a while to get to the bottom but at least you can scroll to any point fairly easily once you get used to the scrolling speed. ICS/JB roms have bugs too... mostly minor little annoyances that aren't worth asking a dev to fix. App compatibility is another huge hit for 4.x roms as is the major wifi bug that every 4.x rom I've tried has had which causes the wifi to show as connected after a wakeup but you can't even access google.
Yes, there are certainly some features about ICS/JB which I really enjoy and this is why I keep flashing more roms in the hopes that maybe eventually I'll stumble across the perfect rom/kernel/modem combo to make my phone uber. Re-Calked 1.9 with Agat's 5.4 and FH23 has so far been a decent step in that direction but it's still not perfect as the wifi problem still exists and scrolling is still ICS scrolling but one of these days I'll find the perfect non-GB rom.
Well it seems some people arent understanding my post. Sure, cm9 is great. Ive been running pa cm10 for the past week cause its been so fun. But the best GB ROMs have given me the best experience even it wasn't as "fun"
Maybe idk how to flash properly or my phone sucks lol
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Like the title said, I finally jumped on board. I got the Evo at launch, and used it until October. I saw the Epic when it came out, but I thought it was too big, so I decided to wait for the iPhone. Well, long story short, it was a mistake lol. Small screen, locked-down software, etc etc. Well now that bad boy's gonna be up on craigslist and I'm back in the world of Android.
So far, I'm very pleased.
Any rom recommendations? I use to run Calkulin's Evo rom for a while, and I see that he has an Epic rom, so I guess I'll give that a spin first
Just try out his rooted fb17 build with the fb15 modem I've been using it as my daily since it was dropped.
Ics is super awesome on this phone just for the love of god DO NOT USE CWM TOUCH RECOVERY. i don't wanna see another i bricked my phone thread lol.
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I would advise against using any of the ICS roms as they are not daily driver status yet (I'm running an fb21 setup so I know).
Go with Blazer 4.0, until more work is done on the ICS ones, this will be your best bet for battery life, stability, and smoothness. I ran Calkulin's for a long time and his rom is good but Blazer definitely gets better battery life.
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Try them all but some good advice is until you get comfy with flashing and the little changes from the OG Evo to the Epic, I would just flash stock custom roms and leave those ICS roms alone like the poster above me just said. No need to bork your new phone so fast incase you do something wrong. Also stay away from the Touch recovery until they do some more testing on it... Just my opinion
I'd recommend both Calkulin's ROM, and Blazer ROM at the current time (And they're both excellent developers, so i'd think their future releases will be good also)... not to say the other ROM's available aren't good, I just personally haven't used them so I can not speak on something I haven't experienced. I expect a lot of ROM's to be released soon based on ICS, so the ROM recommendation might change soon.
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Thanks for all the recommendations. Honestly, I haven't had much of a reason to root the device. The main reason I rooted the Evo was to get rid of Sense, and increase battery life.... needless to say I have neither of those problems on the E4GT.
I'll probably just root but stick with the current ROM I'm running so that I don't have to start from scratch. Once the ICS roms become more stable, I'll look into those.
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I'll probably just root but stick with the current ROM I'm running so that I don't have to start from scratch. Once the ICS roms become more stable, I'll look into those.
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Honestly, that's what I am doing. I have a stock ROM with root and CWM... and I'm observing the ICS progress and waiting for a decent, stable ROM/Kernel/Recovery then I'll make a change. My phone is important to me, so I observe to watch the testing and such before diving in.
I kept it stock myself and its been very well.... Bought my et4g about a week ago also for 200 bones... Frekaing steal basically
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There are several Alpha/Beta ICS roms out right now but I would strongly suggest using the older ones for now. Too many people are bricking their phones trying to run ICS. If you must do ICS I would suggest completely restoring your phone back to 100% stock and then installing ICS to a stock/unrooted rom.
I personally am using Calkulin's EL29 (v.2.8.1) rom with the EL29 Kernel and EL29 baseband. It is Gingerbread 2.3.6 but it is insanely stable, extremely responsive; especially if you don't use the TouchWiz but instead use GoLauncher.
I rooted mine so i could delete twiz and all the bloat, then i found team nocturnals dark ics blend rom and flashed it and the fb21 modem and life is good, got rid of all the ugly colors and twiz and fb21 modem increased my 3g data from 100kbps to 1mbps now when i use my og evo it looks dirty from the lower screen quality and its sooooo laggy compared to thia beast
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Cm9 ftw! It's a few more steps at the moment to flash and get some fixes for gps and ext sd to work, but it's so beautiful on this phone. I can't stand tw and all the bloat.
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I don't know :/ Initially everything I read about it suggested that it used some form of hardware acceleration to make phones run much smoother. However, after seeing many speed tests between the Droid Razr and the Galaxy Nexus (both using TI OMAP4 chips, razr has GB and GN uses ICS) the Razr smokes the Nexus in every aspect. And I understand there are many other factors involved that could play into that, but in general it seems people's experiences with ICS point to it being much more bogged down then GB ever was. I don't know, anyone else have thoughts on this :/
Honestly I don't think it is that great. For me it is the eyecandy and a couple of cool new features that make ICS so interesting. But after running ICS for a while I went back to GB and was astonished by how good GB was. By no means is ICS bad, I just don't think that it is on GB level of performance.
It probably just depends on optimization and other stuffs. Processor doesn't determine everything, although it does help. I personally like the TW ICS and it's pretty smooth to me.
Ics gapps like youtube is one of the big big reasons why I stay and its just something different from gingerbread.
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Honestly I don't think it is that great. For me it is the eyecandy and a couple of cool new features that make ICS so interesting. But after running ICS for a while I went back to GB and was astonished by how good GB was. By no means is ICS bad, I just don't think that it is on GB level of performance.
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Pretty much my experience as well. It seems they tried to make ICS very perty. And it is, it's got lots of nice transitions and neat features and a nice UI, but after going back to GB I realized how slow ICS actually is.
Perhaps that's why Google has already started Jelly bean, because they realized ICS isn't that great? :/
ICS on my phone is a minimum upgrade that works good for me but when my tab went from Honeycomb to ICS it made a much larger impact. I think ICS brings all the capable devices together and Jellybean will be the one that solidifies Android.
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We all love something new, and we all love eyecandy.
If GB is working fine for you right now, you won't gain much at all moving to ICS.
The only thing I like about ICS is that elastic scrolling of a zoomed in page works.
Samsung GB is a mess. Doubletap on any content and scroll in 1 direction, it's all over the place with no elastic snap on either X or Y axis.
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The only thing I like about ICS is that elastic scrolling of a zoomed in page works.
Samsung GB is a mess. Doubletap on any content and scroll in 1 direction, it's all over the place with no elastic snap on either X or Y axis.
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So out of all the new features, elastic scrolling is most important to you?
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So out of all the new features, elastic scrolling is most important to you?
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[fwiw, I really dig MIUI. It's my go-to.]
I haven't experienced much in ICS (leaks) that has really improved much over what we already had. Gallery is better, but Gallery ICS+ is in the market for 2.3.
*shrug*
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Pretty much my experience as well. It seems they tried to make ICS very perty. And it is, it's got lots of nice transitions and neat features and a nice UI, but after going back to GB I realized how slow ICS actually is.
Perhaps that's why Google has already started Jelly bean, because they realized ICS isn't that great? :/
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Google is on a yearly release schedule for major Android releases. Jelly Bean or whatever it'll be called was planned well before ICS was shown to the public.
And ICS on skinned devices isn't much of an upgrade, especially with the mess that is Touchwiz. This is due to the (correct) belief on Samsung's part that Android is more complicated and "ugly" than the average user wants/expects. Some of their feature enhancements are useful, but the visual is just awful. On its own, Touchwiz isn't worse than vanilla GB, but you can't use Touchwiz on its own. There are always elements of vanilla GB that show and that makes the entire thing an uncoordinated mess.
Android has reached a point where Google can work on refining the OS with small features. More importantly, ICS is the start of a unified and unique theme that can set Android visually apart from iOS and WP7 which look much better than any Android phone shipping with GB.
Of course, none of that matters since OEMs insist on skinning their phones. I had hoped Samsung would've followed HTC and toned down the skinning for the new version of Touchwiz, but that was a pipe dream considering the number of SGSII's they sold. My biggest problem with Touchwiz is that it doesn't mesh with the Holo theme at all which I hope app developers would use, allowing for a more unified Android look.
What I'm trying to say is: No, ICS is not that much of an upgrade from GB. But, ICS is that important to Android and its future.
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[fwiw, I really dig MIUI. It's my go-to.]
I haven't experienced much in ICS (leaks) that has really improved much over what we already had. Gallery is better, but Gallery ICS+ is in the market for 2.3.
*shrug*
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I actually love ICS especially the last few leaks. Everything seems so fast and efficient to me
Oh and my friend finally solved 4g on Miui so be on the lookout for that sometime in the near future
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Oh and my friend finally solved 4g on Miui so be on the lookout for that sometime in the near future
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now THATS interesting news!
the one thing that's really kept me from playing with miui.
and, in general, i could not disagree with many of the responses here more. (and agree with JC)
ics runs smooth, quick, and the gapps are a Major upgrade, worth it alone, imho.
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now THATS interesting news!
the one thing that's really kept me from playing with miui.
and, in general, i could not disagree with many of the responses here more. (and agree with JC)
ics runs smooth, quick, and the gapps are a Major upgrade, worth it alone, imho.
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Yeah Miui with 4g will be huge! He solved it on NS4G and is building a ROM now. After that (or maybe already) other Miui.us guys like TCP should have access to his code or changes to the code
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I had some serious battery issues, but I didn't tweak much and didn't want to. I wanted to see the experience Android/Samsung intended us to have.
My favorite aspect of ICS: the ability to disable built in apps. I don't use media hub. I don't use social hub. I don't use Sprint bloatware. ETC. I love having the option of disabling crap I don't use but being able to restore it if it causes OS problems.
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in its stock form hell yea
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I had some serious battery issues, but I didn't tweak much and didn't want to. I wanted to see the experience Android/Samsung intended us to have.
My favorite aspect of ICS: the ability to disable built in apps. I don't use media hub. I don't use social hub. I don't use Sprint bloatware. ETC. I love having the option of disabling crap I don't use but being able to restore it if it causes OS problems.
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How do you do that?
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Well, I had it switched from the touchwiz launcher to the stock launcher. I don't think that makes a difference though. Manage apps> all> select an app> if it's a stock app instead of the uninstall option, it'll have disable. Beats the greyed out block that's on GB.
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Yes ics is awesomee it's still being worked on and im surprised how nice it is. But like others say if u like GB then stay on it. if u want to try ics do it if u don't like it go back no big deall
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Yes ics is awesomee it's still being worked on and im surprised how nice it is. But like others say if u like GB then stay on it. if u want to try ics do it if u don't like it go back no big deall
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Totally agree with you, and I did the latter because of the battery life and I'm waiting for them to polish out the bugs I found. The title of the thread is asking for peoples opinions and evaluations of ICS. You have to understand that some people are not going to share your point of view.
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Lolz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKHaoQ-QfrQ&list=FLLflYUVRnJN5YGTjFEzdaNA&feature=mh_lolz
The question I have is, how does the stock ICS release rate in terms of battery life and performance as compared to TDJ's and Whitehawk's releases? If its not any faster or runs longer, why bother until TDJ/WH release tweaked versions?
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Aarons a pretty cool dude lol battery life on the new tmo release didn't cut it for me but others reported good bat life. Give it a go and see how it flows for ya.
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When I had my SII, ICS was cool and all but the performance and battery life just weren't as good as the GB builds. I always ended up going back to GB
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should probably wait until TDJ releases the new version with his own kernel.
I am quite underwhelmed with the performance. Speed, smoothness, battery life, all better with GB. Not sure what they were thinking in this upgrade. Why send it something that makes the phones perform worse with no noticeable added features. Wasn't this supposed to be the upgrade to really show off the dual core processors?
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You people serious? The update literally not even been out 48 hours and you're all complaining about battery and performance? For one, that's not enough time to judge battery, two, did you really think a stock build would be some epic thing? Any one with any sense was excited for what it meant for custom ROMs.
FWIW, I ran stock until last night. That was when TDJ posted his first stock but tweaked and debloated ICS ROM from all things official. That said, the battery did just fine on tmo stock for the whole 16 or so hours that it ran on a single charge. Yeah, no tweaks, nothing crazy going on, just stock as it was installed through Kies.
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You people serious? The update literally not even been out 48 hours and you're all complaining about battery and performance? For one, that's not enough time to judge battery, two, did you really think a stock build would be some epic thing? Any one with any sense was excited for what it meant for custom ROMs.
FWIW, I ran stock until last night. That was when TDJ posted his first stock but tweaked and debloated ICS ROM from all things official. That said, the battery did just fine on tmo stock for the whole 16 or so hours that it ran on a single charge. Yeah, no tweaks, nothing crazy going on, just stock as it was installed through Kies.
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Its not just the performance that is the problem. Its the fact that they have the keys to making this phone great and are paid well to do so and our amazing unpaid devs have to clean up the mess that the tmo devs left behind. I mean srsly? Releasing a stock rom with shutdown and reboot hang? WORSE battery life? i had to flash a camera fix to make it EVEN WORK. PERIOD. Idk if they even fixed wifi calling but im leaning toward no. Bottom line its pretty lackluster and our devs here are our saving grace.
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I don't understand the people on this forum sometimes, you people make my head hurt.
I wholeheartedly agree. Devs spend their time fixing more than enhancing. To anyone complaining about people complaining.
NOT EVERYONE WILL HAVE THE SAME EXPERIENCE YOU DO.
Me being one of those people. Ucle2 runs much better, smoother with 20+ hours of bat life with 3+ hours of screen on time. With the tmo release I got lag, screen glitches and battery life not even half as good as tdjs evo 7.1.
...yet there are people that have absolutely no issues. Understand that the people with no issues are the minority. Not everyone wants to mod their phone. The amount of tmo gs2 owners on this forum are the minority compared to the millions of average users without knowledge of rooting.
...how do you think ics will run on their gb equipped handsets??
Leave the minority alone unless you have helpful info on changing their experience. If not, I and the rest of the ****ed updaters don't want to hear your 2 cents.
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I wholeheartedly agree. Devs spend their time fixing more than enhancing. To anyone complaining about people complaining.
NOT EVERYONE WILL HAVE THE SAME EXPERIENCE YOU DO.
Me being one of those people. Ucle2 runs much better, smoother with 20+ hours of bat life with 3+ hours of screen on time. With the tmo release I got lag, screen glitches and battery life not even half as good as tdjs evo 7.1.
...yet there are people that have absolutely no issues. Understand that the people with no issues are the minority. Not everyone wants to mod their phone. The amount of tmo gs2 owners on this forum are the minority compared to the millions of average users without knowledge of rooting.
...how do you think ics will run on their gb equipped handsets??
Leave the minority alone unless you have helpful info on changing their experience. If not, I and the rest of the ****ed updaters don't want to hear your 2 cents.
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It's not complaining about the complaining. It's shock at the naivety that a stock ROM would offer anything remotely close to what the GB customs offered let alone what the ICS customs will bring us very soon. I didn't expect anything out of TMO's ICS other than, hopefully, that tasty ICS look. TMO had other plans though so my one dream was shattered.
As for any issues with the TMO stock? I had only one. The wifi calling delay was still present for me. Aside from that, it did everything it should have. I understand as well that every experience is different but, again, the TMO release isn't the climax here. That is still to come.
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It's not complaining about the complaining. It's shock at the naivety that a stock ROM would offer anything remotely close to what the GB customs offered let alone what the ICS customs will bring us very soon. I didn't expect anything out of TMO's ICS other than, hopefully, that tasty ICS look. TMO had other plans though so my one dream was shattered.
As for any issues with the TMO stock? I had only one. The wifi calling delay was still present for me. Aside from that, it did everything it should have. I understand as well that every experience is different but, again, the TMO release isn't the climax here. That is still to come.
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Of course in a month or 2 this phone will surpass anything gingerbread gave us. Can't wait!
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Im happy with the update make sure to do a factory reset a lot issues get resolved like this. It did help to root and removed all tmobile bloat ware. Tmobile really needs stop putting useless apps on their phones
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Lolz
The question I have is, how does the stock ICS release rate in terms of battery life and performance as compared to TDJ's and Whitehawk's releases? If its not any faster or runs longer, why bother until TDJ/WH release tweaked versions?
DK
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My g/f and I both have the t989. Her's is rooted with stock GB, and I was running Juggernaut. There was a profound difference in battery life between the two phones. So far, my battery life with Mr. X's stock/rooted ICS looks to be about the same as Juggernaut. She is running stock ICS now, but it is too soon to say how her battery compares. It should be the same, unless getting rid of the t-mo bloat makes a significant difference. I don't think it will for battery life, though.
About 2 weeks ago something happened with my phone and the Juggernaut install was corrupted. I flashed back to stock GB and I couldn't get a full 24 hours. With Juggernaut I can get about 3 days.
I really hated the t-mo version of ICS with all the bloat, but with it rooted, I used TB to freeze all the bloat away. Much cleaner phone now.
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Its not just the performance that is the problem. Its the fact that they have the keys to making this phone great and are paid well to do so and our amazing unpaid devs have to clean up the mess that the tmo devs left behind. I mean srsly? Releasing a stock rom with shutdown and reboot hang? WORSE battery life? i had to flash a camera fix to make it EVEN WORK. PERIOD. Idk if they even fixed wifi calling but im leaning toward no. Bottom line its pretty lackluster and our devs here are our saving grace.
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You are thinking about this from the perspective of the phone owner and android and enthusiast. Think about it from their business perspective.
1) This is the last OS update for this phone. Their emphasis at this point is probably on the next 'latest and greatest' android phone.
2) They aren't interested in making this phone the 'best' it can be. They are simply aiming for better than adequate (that would be for your regular user grade android phone), they are aiming for above average, but not superlative. If they aimed for (and achieved) superlative, you might not be as interested in buying their next 'latest and greatest' android phone. You know "Hey, no need to upgrade now, because, with this latest update, this phone rocks."
3) Finally, judging by all the bloat, another major goal the company has set for the programmers is to develop built in apps, etc. that tempt customers into paying for additional fee based services, thus adding additional income streams.
I'm just glad that it is so relatively easy to root this phone and create custom roms for it. I'm also very thankful there is a talented community dedicated to that undertaking.
I've heard it has a lot of glitches so i'm really skeptical about updating. I care a mostly about battery life and performance. Are those two effected a lot? Is worth it? I don't plan to root, just stay on stock.
can someone please reply with the pros and cons?
Personally i would flash thederekjays evolution 3 v7. Experiences vary, but i had bad luck on 5-6 ics roms including 100% stock. Evo3 v7 is so far a bit faster and just as stable as GB. Plus, the bennies of ics (Google ics vs gingerbread if you want all the city details).
But as i said experiences vary.
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Worth the plunge....I say do it...you won't look back.... Gb is old news. Why would a new version of an OS be worse than it's predecessor?
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I didn't notice any difference in battery life vs gb and the upgrade made my phone run better IMHO. I just couldn't stand touchwiz anymore and opted for aokp. Besides, keeping gb when there's an available upgrade it like running windows 3.1 on you computer...... why would you do such a thing
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If you are happy about GB, stay with GB.
Once you go ICS, you can't go back... since you dont want to root.
It's probably the same honestly. No one is going to give you a stock gb vs stock ICS because no one cares about reviewing stock ICS. It is what it is.
2 weeks ago I would've said stick with GB, but then I tried ICS/CM9 & I absolutely love it. My battery life has improved drastically & it's more stable than the GB rom I was on before. Now that the ICS kernels are out, things will only keep getting better. I can't really think of any cons, aside from a slight learning curve due to some menu items being rearranged.
Why don't you want to root? By rooting you can try out ICS without being stuck with it if you don't like it.
i sold my phone couple of day before the ics update was released but i heard many ppl report that the stock ics was alot faster and better that gb. but in the end you will have to flash and try it for yourself to see if you prefer ics or gb
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ICS is the way to go....Always go with the latest and greatest when OS' are concerned. ICS has been out long enough for Google to iron out any kinks. I would also go with Darkside Evo3v7. TDJ's new Venom kernel is incredible and being about to OC to 1785mhz is a bonus. I usually underclock for battery life. ENJOY
If you go stock, I recommend you wipe it before you flash it. I didn't the first time and had lag issues, to the point that I was regretting updating. I have since wiped, and used Odin to put on the stock Tmo ics and am happier.
I just pulled the trigger on ics with Kies. I had not gotten the ota update. But with the fix figured I'd try it. I'm not impressed. Some silly minor interface tweaks. Stronger anti alias. Face detect. Wooo.
Chrome sucks. The rendering engine doesn't reflow text. It uses twice as much memory at idle. It's horrible with no pluses that I can see. And of course the battery drain. It's pretty much just a pig with lip gloss.
Am I missing something? At this rate I'm going back to gb. I wouldn't want ics ona galaxy s 4. Is this typical of Android upgrades?
Gingerbread has been my favorite os for android since having it on my og Tmobile g1, ICS just seems like a cluttered battery hog.
Hopefully jellybean fixes the mess that is ics and key lime pie blows away all previous versions with a complete ui overhaul, not impressed with ics ui.
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ICS/JB UI = Meh
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well i guess i'll chime in. gb blows compared to ics/jb on every aspect. dont use stock roms, there are plenty of straight vanilla/CM builds of either version to fit anyones liking. GB is old, blocky, and slow compared to newer versions of android. Don't base your opinion of an updated OS off of what samsung gives you.
You're not going to see many ui changes when using a mfg skinned os. If you want to see the major changes try an aosp build, like pure aosp, cm, or aokp. And most of your issues are because you didn't do a clean install and more than likely have an app not updated to work on ics causing a wakelock which eats ram and battery. Try doing a full clean install of cm9 or aosp ics and then comeback and say there were no major changes over GB
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OK. I went back to el29 which of course required a wipe and backup. And as soon as I got back, I got the ota notification. I figured well I just wiped and have everything backed up sooooo. I'm back with ics but on a pretty fresh platform. Chrome seems better now. But I am thoroughly annoyed by the lack of reflow.
Oh and I didn't unroot so now I have no root and a useless su button. No harm there right? And I did goof around with some other launchers including straight ics. It is a tad less of a resource pig now. Is ics more sensitive to app shutdowns than gb?
To get the ICS look which I recommend go to settings,apps then hit all, go down to twlauncher and clear defaults hit the home key and select twlauncher I set it as default you can change the icons at the bottom of the home screen to whatever you want since you probably don't want the sprint id on the bottom. There is a lot of killer things in ICS it is much improved over GB in my opinion.
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OK. I went back to el29 which of course required a wipe and backup. And as soon as I got back, I got the ota notification. I figured well I just wiped and have everything backed up sooooo. I'm back with ics but on a pretty fresh platform. Chrome seems better now. But I am thoroughly annoyed by the lack of reflow.
Oh and I didn't unroot so now I have no root and a useless su button. No harm there right? And I did goof around with some other launchers including straight ics. It is a tad less of a resource pig now. Is ics more sensitive to app shutdowns than gb?
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Chrome has reflow, check the settings
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Dolphin browser beta has been working great for me on ics
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Dolphin seems to be a battery drain for me although I like it pretty well. It doesnt reflow either on ics, so it's obviously employing the same rendering engine as stock/chrome. Where might I find the reflow setting? It works tolerably with autozoom, but I had gotten used to reflow where I could view any page in full at any zoom.
Its working reasonably well after the reset/install, but I'm overall not particularly impressed with the interface vs. gingerbread. I can see how some might think it more ios-like. But if I valued looks over function . . . .
And yes, I have played with the native launcher, ADW, and Launcher Pro, as well as Nova. For some reason, Pro and Nova crashed a bit, but ADW has been stable and is my default for now.
The upgrade to ICS from GB was great for me. I admit I had a few issues in the beginning, but most were shortly resolved by custom roms such as CM. I am now on a CM10(Jelly Bean) based rom and love it. Project Butter is amazing. I would take ICS or JB over GB any day, even with the annoying battery problems. I carry a spare with me anyways because of my crazy schedules. One can never be too careful.
Just received a replacement from samsung because I sent mine in for repair after bricking a while back. Long story short my repair was placed on hold for two weeks waiting on parts, they sent me a BNIB Epic 4G Touch for the wait.
It came pre-loaded with FF18 and I'll say, this thing is running smooth. I have no issues at all. GPS locks with 6 meter accuracy within 5 seconds, battery life is fine, chrome works no problem, etc.
Perhaps you need to do a clean install...
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I started off only flashing leaked updates. I was scared to brick my phone with anything truly custom,but i just couldn't resist cM10. I tried it because I felt limited by touchWiz and now I realize hide truly right I was.
Do not judge Android updates based on a manufacturer skin. they are going to make sure they keep a consistent look and feel. JB offers a ridiculous amount of customization and google now is just too much fun.
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