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[Q] What do you use the internal memory for?

Since getting my incredible I've struggled with how to best use the 8 gigs of internal storage on the phone... especially since many apps still don't recognize/use it.
Currently I only use the internal storage for pictures taken by the phone and manually copied videos (I found mVideoPlayer can be setup to index files within /emmc).
My question is really one of personal preference... how do you use those 8 gigs? What apps have you found that make use of that storage? Have you found any work arounds to trick a program that doesn't support the internal storage to store files there anyhow?

I don't use it for a thing. Lol, I have a 16GB SD card. and three 2GB SD cards haha.

just put some music on it today, mostly that and pictures

5GB of Music/pictures. SDCard is mostly for nandroid backups

I only put custom ringtones and apps on Internal.. Everything else i.e. movies, mp3's, etc go on the 16 Gb SD Card.

For those of you that put music on the internal storage do you use an app to sync the music? Manually copy the music?
I currently use TuneSync because I love the wireless sync, but it only syncs to the sdcard.

How safe is it to use the internal memory for pics? (I know this area is untouched if I wipe and flash a new ROM). But should I be worried about losing my pics?

I don't use my internal storage just so I can see my incredible complain that there is no space left...

Issemann said:
How safe is it to use the internal memory for pics? (I know this area is untouched if I wipe and flash a new ROM). But should I be worried about losing my pics?
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I wouldn't be I use my internal storage for videos and my camera pics and have had no problems

Keep ext sd card clean if unwanted files

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I want my extra sd card to only have my media...no and secure or data or any other app crap placed on it
I try and keep everything on the internal 16 GB storage. This way my 64 GB sd card only has my games and movies.
What I have noticed is I can delete them off my sd card...remove it...and restore the app data with titanium back up and I am all good. But after a few days they sneak onto my SD card and take up about 1 GB of space. In effect the files are duplicated on my internal memory and my sd card.
This is inefficient...does anyone know how to prevent this ?
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If I understand you correctly and I believe I do, you want to maintain all of your External SD cards space for your media, and if its a 64gig card you want ALL 64gigs free for the media of your choice.
The simple fact that your phone formats that card so it can use it sould tell you that your phone placed data on your SD so not all 64gigs are free. Formatting in general takes some space away from the media for the format to reside. So on a 64gig card, you may end up with like, 62.3gigs or a bit less after format.
I use a 32gig but only 29.8gigs are useable due to format. just saying...hope I'm correct and that I helped you.

rdisanza said:
If I understand you correctly and I believe I do, you want to maintain all of your External SD cards space for your media, and if its a 64gig card you want ALL 64gigs free for the media of your choice.
The simple fact that your phone formats that card so it can use it sould tell you that your phone placed data on your SD so not all 64gigs are free. Formatting in general takes some space away from the media for the format to reside. So on a 64gig card, you may end up with like, 62.3gigs or a bit less after format.
I use a 32gig but only 29.8gigs are useable due to format. just saying...hope I'm correct and that I helped you.
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Not what I meat.
What bothers me is my phone sees two sd cards ...one is the 16 GB internal memory and the other is the ext sd card.
When downloading an app that installs to sd by default the phone will randomly throw it on my ext sd card if It is plugged in...but if I take the card out it will put it on the 16 GB memory
What bothers me most is all the extra folders and the fact that somethings are in one place and not the other or both.
There needs t be a way for the phone to leave my sd card alone
It gets confusing because the so called 16 GB internal memory on the phone is treated like a sd card by the system and is not part of the system rom....the system rom where most apps is installed is seperate
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Trev186 said:
I try and keep everything on the internal 16 GB storage. This way my 64 GB sd card only has my games and movies.
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WTF, I thought these phones were only 32GB capable..........?

AVAH0LIC said:
WTF, I thought these phones were only 32GB capable..........?
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SanDisk and KingMax have new 64GB MicroSD cards out that the Galaxy and others work on. The problem for me is the price......like ~$150.
To the OP .....Maybe it is the card as I have a couple of Samsung 32gb class 10 and don't have that problem. Whatever I put on my ext. SD card stays there.

7harper said:
SanDisk and KingMax have new 64GB MicroSD cards out that the Galaxy and others work on. The problem for me is the price......like ~$150.
To the OP .....Maybe it is the card as I have a couple of Samsung 32gb class 10 and don't have that problem. Whatever I put on my ext. SD card stays there.
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I have no problem with what I put staying on my card..it is the app folders and android secure data that my phone seems to duplicate onto my sd card as well as the included internal card.
Check you app directory you will see an android secure folder on your internal and ext sd card...chances are you have duplicate data in each...
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AVAH0LIC said:
WTF, I thought these phones were only 32GB capable..........?
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There is nothing limiting phones to 32 GBs ...that is just sales material.
I put this sd card in an og droid and n1 and it worked.
Fat 32 can read large drives on a pc so nothing stops iron android either. I have a 2 TB hardrive formatted as fat 32 at home.
Fyi SDXC will allow for up to 2 TBs on your cell phone within 5 years. Prototypes of the micro sdxc @ 2 tb have already been developed.
Hence why the whole nexus internal memory only is bs
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Trev186 said:
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I want my extra sd card to only have my media...no and secure or data or any other app crap placed on it
I try and keep everything on the internal 16 GB storage. This way my 64 GB sd card only has my games and movies.
What I have noticed is I can delete them off my sd card...remove it...and restore the app data with titanium back up and I am all good. But after a few days they sneak onto my SD card and take up about 1 GB of space. In effect the files are duplicated on my internal memory and my sd card.
This is inefficient...does anyone know how to prevent this ?
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Did you ever figure out a way to keep data on the phone only? I have a BIG problem with Evernote (free). I love the program as it holds small bits of data that I cannot remember (e.g. license plate numbers, birthdays, drivers license numbers, etc) but are too personal to not worry about. I only use 1/2 MB (yes, that is right, 1/2 MB) so paying for the premium version is much too expensive for what I store.
What I recently found however, has me ready to stop using it. The program stores all the 'cards' on the SD card of my Samsung S3 phone. And if you pull out the card, pop it into a computer and go to the Evernote folder, they store the data IN PLAIN ENGLISH! So even if I lock my phone anyone who can get the card out can read all this information. I even told the program not to store the data for offline access and cleared the cache/history but it still remains on the SD card if the program is running. I need a way to prevent the program from storing the data on the SD card. I thought I had it fixed - completely remove the program, delete all stored data and folders, pull out the SD Card, reinstall and download my 1/2 MB of data from the cloud (forcing it to phone storage), then rebooting with the SD back in. IT PUT THE DATA BACK ON THE SD CARD! This is a BIG security risk and now I am looking for a way to prevent it.
So, back to your original thread, any luck?
Frank

Trev186 said:
Not what I meat.
What bothers me is my phone sees two sd cards ...one is the 16 GB internal memory and the other is the ext sd card.
When downloading an app that installs to sd by default the phone will randomly throw it on my ext sd card if It is plugged in...but if I take the card out it will put it on the 16 GB memory
What bothers me most is all the extra folders and the fact that somethings are in one place and not the other or both.
There needs t be a way for the phone to leave my sd card alone
It gets confusing because the so called 16 GB internal memory on the phone is treated like a sd card by the system and is not part of the system rom....the system rom where most apps is installed is seperate
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I am having this issue too, I think it had something to do with going from Blazer ROM (GB) to Paranoid Android (JB), and the difference in the way they handle partitioning the ext SD card
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[Q] Is there a way to get rid of "internal" SD on Galaxy E4GT?

Ok i'm a bit of a noob so bare with me here... i have a 32GB SD card i'm using on my Galaxy E4GT but it only shows up as a folder in my "internal" SD so i cant really use it other then dead storage to make space.. i want the internal SD to be gone and just be phone memory so then my External SD card can be my other main memory .. so in a nutshell i guess i'm asking to be able to get rid of the "internal" SD and give its space to the actual phone and for the only other memory to be my External SD.. can this be done? and how?

I really don't understand what you're trying to ask, but I think you're confused about how external storage is being stored.
For starters, the internal SD can not be deleted. It's not even an option, it's like, taking the transmission out of a car. The car won't work. Your phone needs it's internal storage.
Your external storage is *mounted* (Google it) as /sdcard/external_sd/, meaning Android conveniently creates a "shorcut" folder to your external SD in your internal SD. Very similar to how when you plug in your phone to your WIndows computer, you see a new "Drive" in "My Computer".
Now that I re-read your message, I believe you're thinking your /external_sd/ folder is limited to the size of the internal SD (which is 16 GB). Like I explained, it's simply a shortcut for you. You're *not* limited to the size of the internal SD. In there is your 32GB external SD.
Hope I helped.

I think his problem is kind of what I was asking in my music thread. On the OG epic everything downloaded went straight to external sd storage. While I know it didn't have dual storage like this phone. This phone seems to not use the link to the external storage correct.
For example everytime I DL music from a playlist no matter what app it goes to the internal memory, not to the external memory. It seems that there needs to be a way to have the external memory link not sit inside a place in the internal memory so that downloads go there. Right now most of the time they sit in .../sdcard rather than find there way to .../sdcard/external_sd (or whatever it is).
I saw a link somewhere for a different device to swap internal and external but didn't get a chance to read it yet. that may solve the problem but i'm not sure. I wish it worked as easy as the OG epic so I could put my music playlists onto external and have them play/show up correctly.
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StormGlove I
Hit the nail on the head.. Thats exactly what I'm talking about... The phone turns your External SD Card into dead storage space.. You can't run anything from inside it (Like Music or Games) and you can't make it your main SD Memory. What I want to know is how can I merge the "Internal SD" with the "Phone's Memory" to make them one.. So that the only two forms of memory on the phone are "Phone Memory" and "External SD Card".
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you can't... it wouldn't make sense to want to be able to do that..
you could, through some hackery, switch the mount points and make external show as /sdcard and internal as /sdcard/external_sd for whatever reason.. but without repartitioning your phone... you aren't going to be able to do much more..
im still kind of lost on what is wrong with the internal sd?
btw music plays just fine from the external, and you can install games to and from the external.. i think you may have a misunderstanding of how it works..

EnVy MoNtOyA said:
StormGlove I
Hit the nail on the head.. Thats exactly what I'm talking about... The phone turns your External SD Card into dead storage space.. You can't run anything from inside it (Like Music or Games) and you can't make it your main SD Memory. What I want to know is how can I merge the "Internal SD" with the "Phone's Memory" to make them one.. So that the only two forms of memory on the phone are "Phone Memory" and "External SD Card".
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What? I am able to play all my music stored on the /external_sd/music folder without issues. I am using poweramp though
I guess if you could modify the fstab file you might be able to have it in a way so it ignores the 'internal SD' and links it directly to the real SD card. Now if the phone will be able to work properly afterward is another issue but I don't see why not.

I understand music plays fine one moved there. I haven't tried poweramp yet. But for instance with double twist or Amazon mp3 when you sync playlists or any song it saves to internal memory without any option to sync to external. If you move the music to external the playlist won't work anymore. Yes the song will play but no playlist without remaking it.
I have no problems with using internal but it fills up pretty quick. As far as games I don't have any comment as I just leave those on internal memory. Thanks for the responses though. And maybe I'll try and use power amp to sync playlists.
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stormglove said:
I understand music plays fine one moved there. I haven't tried poweramp yet. But for instance with double twist or Amazon mp3 when you sync playlists or any song it saves to internal memory without any option to sync to external. If you move the music to external the playlist won't work anymore. Yes the song will play but no playlist without remaking it.
I have no problems with using internal but it fills up pretty quick. As far as games I don't have any comment as I just leave those on internal memory. Thanks for the responses though. And maybe I'll try and use power amp to sync playlists.
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Yeah, moving it after youve sync'd it most definately won't work, if it's saved to that location then you move it from that location, it's going to keep looking for it in the original location.
I've never used Amazon Mp3 or DoubleTwist, so I can't say maybe you guys are missing an option. Make sure you throroughly read and check all available settings in both programs.
All I know is that the externsl SD does not become dead storage, as I use mine everyday and play music, videos, view pictures, move/zip CWM backups, everything.
Maybe you can try uninstalling Amazon Mp3 /Doubletwist, reinstall, then before running it even once move it to your external SD. Then run it/set it up once it's in your external SD. Maybe that'll force it to save to your external SD.

I know its not dead space, haha. I wasn't completing about that, and I searched all over, its those apps. Google music is the same. There were numerous complaints on all there websites about not having a choice where to DL to, making the extremal in dual storage phones like ours, become useless when trying to get playlist off our computers onto them.
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Ok as for music i use Google music and my offline music wont show when moved to External SD.. games is the same.. they just dont look for the External SD directory... im assuming that there is just one big hunk of memory in the phone and its partitioned into two parts (Phone Memory and Internal SD). If i can get rid of the partition that separates the two and just make it so that its all just phone memory without Internal SD.. the phone would be faster wouldn't it? and when i use my SD card it will just show up as SD card leaving only two sources to save or move things around to? again i could be way off and totaly wrong.. im only a noob at this point but im open to wisdom and learning as much as i can since im going to be a android user FOREVER

I am using "Media Monkey", and have no problems copying to the external SD. As a matter of fact, all of my music is sitting on the external. Its also (I think) the best music app available...
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I guess my question is the 500mb of RAM just partitioned off the mass storage sd internal like the 2gb of memory for apps? Or is it 500mb chip in there seperate some where? Which im guessing it ia since it would have to run at a faster clock than the internal sd can
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bluefire808 said:
I guess my question is the 500mb of RAM just partitioned off the mass storage sd internal like the 2gb of memory for apps? Or is it 500mb chip in there seperate some where? Which im guessing it ia since it would have to run at a faster clock than the internal sd can
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Its my understanding that the memory used by the applications and RAM is shared on the same chipset that it's separate from the storage (internal SD) chipset. Checking the teardowns on http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Samsung-Epic-4G-Touch-Teardown/6481/2 shows that 16GB chip being separate but the one that holds the RAM and internal app storage is not described there.

Actually what the op is asking can work. It would need kernel changes tho and mappings of partitions changed. So that the primary partition (where the OS is installed) becomes say 1gb. Then the rest goes to internal storage (where all apps go.) Then nothings left for a "internal SD." Then the SD card can be used as the only storage.
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Shoulon said:
Actually what the op is asking can work. It would need kernel changes tho and mappings of partitions changed. So that the primary partition (where the OS is installed) becomes say 1gb. Then the rest goes to internal storage (where all apps go.) Then nothings left for a "internal SD." Then the SD card can be used as the only storage.
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OMG! YES! Finally someone who truly understands what im saying... you said it much better then i did for sure.. but yes thats exactly it.. i heard of someone doing work on this but i cant find the thread anymore.. it was called "*something* partition Mod" but it was for some other phone... if this could be done it would truly make my day and my phone would be perfect! im willing to help make it happen how ever i can ... unfortunately i dont know anything about coding or kernels but if there is another way i can help jus let me know.

I agree this phone does handle memory in a retarded way. Like for example when you move apps to sd it shows your available internal space but when you switch the app it goes to the actual sd card. So you'll notice that as you're switching them the amount available in internal is not decreasing but when you check your sd space you'll notice its memory decreased. However all my music is on the sd and I have no issue with it playing or creating playlists. Maybe you moved the files to sd and you had created the playlist while it was on internal so now it can't find it.. For the most part you can go into most apps setting and change between which memory you want to store internal or sd.
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Yes I can create playlist and play them on the external. The problem is I have Some big playlists on my comp I want to put onto external without having to recreate them. So far I've been unsuccessful. I do need to try media play still though.
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[Q] Device says it's low on space but memory card is not close to full

I just turned on the phone and it says it's low on space. There is 13GB avaliable of the 14GB memory card. Is the actual phone memory being used up and how do I clear this?

You clear it by uninstalling apps
Best way to avoid this is by using partitioning your sd card and using link2sd- GOOGLE IT and you'll see what it is
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Your internal memory is getting filled up. Shift majority of your apps to the SD card. Better yet, if you have root, I suggest Link2SD. Xperia Blog wrote up a nice tutorial a while back. (I now have virtually unlimited space XD )

In order to clear which memory is low, check following address:
Settings --> Applications --> Manage applications
the first tab (downloaded), Internal storage is shown. see if there is enough free space on below tab.
on the third tab (On SD card), SD card storage is presented and you can see if it has empty space.

Missing storage space

So I'm using converted to GPE 16GB HCT One.
I have 32GB SD card and where possible apps load data to the SD (Google Music, Voice recorder etc.)
If you look at the picture I have 8GB available of internal storage but the graph shows less than 40% free (this does not add up)
Also why apps take internal storage if everything is cached to SD
Last time I had to factory reset because I have run out of storage for some reason and despite removing 3GB i was still low on storage.
Anyone can help?

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So I'm using converted to GPE 16GB HCT One.
I have 32GB SD card and where possible apps load data to the SD (Google Music, Voice recorder etc.)
If you look at the picture I have 8GB available of internal storage but the graph shows less than 40% free (this does not add up)
Also why apps take internal storage if everything is cached to SD
Last time I had to factory reset because I have run out of storage for some reason and despite removing 3GB i was still low on storage.
Anyone can help?
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look for an app called FolderMount in the play store

Thanks bit the app doesn't work for me. I don't have root
Moreover, I don't have any data stored from Google music or voice recorder on internal memory. It's all on the sd card and it still takes up the space of the internal storage.

MattSkeet said:
Thanks bit the app doesn't work for me. I don't have root
Moreover, I don't have any data stored from Google music or voice recorder on internal memory. It's all on the sd card and it still takes up the space of the internal storage.
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Try the DiskUsage app from the play store. It will tell you EXACTLY what is stored on your phone and where it is. I use it myself. It's a great app to have.
Here is a link to the app.

none of this works
Again:
1. music and voice recordings are stored on micro sd card (they do not show up on the internal storage)
2. Google music and voice recorder data reports taking internal storage (see first screenshot)
3. using DiskUsage app there is nothing on the internal storage yet the graph shows less than 40% of 12GB avail (that would be around 4-5GB) but I have actually over 60% free which isnt expressed on the graps
So, somehow android is incorrectly reporting available storage, but then even if I remove something the graph still stays at the same level.

MattSkeet said:
none of this works
Again:
1. music and voice recordings are stored on micro sd card (they do not show up on the internal storage)
2. Google music and voice recorder data reports taking internal storage (see first screenshot)
3. using DiskUsage app there is nothing on the internal storage yet the graph shows less than 40% of 12GB avail (that would be around 4-5GB) but I have actually over 60% free which isnt expressed on the graps
So, somehow android is incorrectly reporting available storage, but then even if I remove something the graph still stays at the same level.
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graps?
You do realize that the ROM is on internal storage as well, right? Sense based ROMs are around 1.5gb

xunholyx said:
graps?
You do realize that the ROM is on internal storage as well, right? Sense based ROMs are around 1.5gb
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Did you look at the photos and what I have been saying?
I'm running GPE stock (full convert)
Yes I know that from 16GB storage you get around 12GB usable due to OS installation and formatting.
Look at the graph again. you have 8GB free of 12GB available. The graph shows that only around 40% is available (8/12 is not 40%!!!!). If I cache music onto my micro SD card, for some reason that data is counted towards internal storage.