Ok i'm a bit of a noob so bare with me here... i have a 32GB SD card i'm using on my Galaxy E4GT but it only shows up as a folder in my "internal" SD so i cant really use it other then dead storage to make space.. i want the internal SD to be gone and just be phone memory so then my External SD card can be my other main memory .. so in a nutshell i guess i'm asking to be able to get rid of the "internal" SD and give its space to the actual phone and for the only other memory to be my External SD.. can this be done? and how?
I really don't understand what you're trying to ask, but I think you're confused about how external storage is being stored.
For starters, the internal SD can not be deleted. It's not even an option, it's like, taking the transmission out of a car. The car won't work. Your phone needs it's internal storage.
Your external storage is *mounted* (Google it) as /sdcard/external_sd/, meaning Android conveniently creates a "shorcut" folder to your external SD in your internal SD. Very similar to how when you plug in your phone to your WIndows computer, you see a new "Drive" in "My Computer".
Now that I re-read your message, I believe you're thinking your /external_sd/ folder is limited to the size of the internal SD (which is 16 GB). Like I explained, it's simply a shortcut for you. You're *not* limited to the size of the internal SD. In there is your 32GB external SD.
Hope I helped.
I think his problem is kind of what I was asking in my music thread. On the OG epic everything downloaded went straight to external sd storage. While I know it didn't have dual storage like this phone. This phone seems to not use the link to the external storage correct.
For example everytime I DL music from a playlist no matter what app it goes to the internal memory, not to the external memory. It seems that there needs to be a way to have the external memory link not sit inside a place in the internal memory so that downloads go there. Right now most of the time they sit in .../sdcard rather than find there way to .../sdcard/external_sd (or whatever it is).
I saw a link somewhere for a different device to swap internal and external but didn't get a chance to read it yet. that may solve the problem but i'm not sure. I wish it worked as easy as the OG epic so I could put my music playlists onto external and have them play/show up correctly.
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Hit the nail on the head.. Thats exactly what I'm talking about... The phone turns your External SD Card into dead storage space.. You can't run anything from inside it (Like Music or Games) and you can't make it your main SD Memory. What I want to know is how can I merge the "Internal SD" with the "Phone's Memory" to make them one.. So that the only two forms of memory on the phone are "Phone Memory" and "External SD Card".
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you can't... it wouldn't make sense to want to be able to do that..
you could, through some hackery, switch the mount points and make external show as /sdcard and internal as /sdcard/external_sd for whatever reason.. but without repartitioning your phone... you aren't going to be able to do much more..
im still kind of lost on what is wrong with the internal sd?
btw music plays just fine from the external, and you can install games to and from the external.. i think you may have a misunderstanding of how it works..
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StormGlove I
Hit the nail on the head.. Thats exactly what I'm talking about... The phone turns your External SD Card into dead storage space.. You can't run anything from inside it (Like Music or Games) and you can't make it your main SD Memory. What I want to know is how can I merge the "Internal SD" with the "Phone's Memory" to make them one.. So that the only two forms of memory on the phone are "Phone Memory" and "External SD Card".
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What? I am able to play all my music stored on the /external_sd/music folder without issues. I am using poweramp though
I guess if you could modify the fstab file you might be able to have it in a way so it ignores the 'internal SD' and links it directly to the real SD card. Now if the phone will be able to work properly afterward is another issue but I don't see why not.
I understand music plays fine one moved there. I haven't tried poweramp yet. But for instance with double twist or Amazon mp3 when you sync playlists or any song it saves to internal memory without any option to sync to external. If you move the music to external the playlist won't work anymore. Yes the song will play but no playlist without remaking it.
I have no problems with using internal but it fills up pretty quick. As far as games I don't have any comment as I just leave those on internal memory. Thanks for the responses though. And maybe I'll try and use power amp to sync playlists.
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I understand music plays fine one moved there. I haven't tried poweramp yet. But for instance with double twist or Amazon mp3 when you sync playlists or any song it saves to internal memory without any option to sync to external. If you move the music to external the playlist won't work anymore. Yes the song will play but no playlist without remaking it.
I have no problems with using internal but it fills up pretty quick. As far as games I don't have any comment as I just leave those on internal memory. Thanks for the responses though. And maybe I'll try and use power amp to sync playlists.
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Yeah, moving it after youve sync'd it most definately won't work, if it's saved to that location then you move it from that location, it's going to keep looking for it in the original location.
I've never used Amazon Mp3 or DoubleTwist, so I can't say maybe you guys are missing an option. Make sure you throroughly read and check all available settings in both programs.
All I know is that the externsl SD does not become dead storage, as I use mine everyday and play music, videos, view pictures, move/zip CWM backups, everything.
Maybe you can try uninstalling Amazon Mp3 /Doubletwist, reinstall, then before running it even once move it to your external SD. Then run it/set it up once it's in your external SD. Maybe that'll force it to save to your external SD.
I know its not dead space, haha. I wasn't completing about that, and I searched all over, its those apps. Google music is the same. There were numerous complaints on all there websites about not having a choice where to DL to, making the extremal in dual storage phones like ours, become useless when trying to get playlist off our computers onto them.
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Ok as for music i use Google music and my offline music wont show when moved to External SD.. games is the same.. they just dont look for the External SD directory... im assuming that there is just one big hunk of memory in the phone and its partitioned into two parts (Phone Memory and Internal SD). If i can get rid of the partition that separates the two and just make it so that its all just phone memory without Internal SD.. the phone would be faster wouldn't it? and when i use my SD card it will just show up as SD card leaving only two sources to save or move things around to? again i could be way off and totaly wrong.. im only a noob at this point but im open to wisdom and learning as much as i can since im going to be a android user FOREVER
I am using "Media Monkey", and have no problems copying to the external SD. As a matter of fact, all of my music is sitting on the external. Its also (I think) the best music app available...
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I guess my question is the 500mb of RAM just partitioned off the mass storage sd internal like the 2gb of memory for apps? Or is it 500mb chip in there seperate some where? Which im guessing it ia since it would have to run at a faster clock than the internal sd can
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I guess my question is the 500mb of RAM just partitioned off the mass storage sd internal like the 2gb of memory for apps? Or is it 500mb chip in there seperate some where? Which im guessing it ia since it would have to run at a faster clock than the internal sd can
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Its my understanding that the memory used by the applications and RAM is shared on the same chipset that it's separate from the storage (internal SD) chipset. Checking the teardowns on http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Samsung-Epic-4G-Touch-Teardown/6481/2 shows that 16GB chip being separate but the one that holds the RAM and internal app storage is not described there.
Actually what the op is asking can work. It would need kernel changes tho and mappings of partitions changed. So that the primary partition (where the OS is installed) becomes say 1gb. Then the rest goes to internal storage (where all apps go.) Then nothings left for a "internal SD." Then the SD card can be used as the only storage.
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Actually what the op is asking can work. It would need kernel changes tho and mappings of partitions changed. So that the primary partition (where the OS is installed) becomes say 1gb. Then the rest goes to internal storage (where all apps go.) Then nothings left for a "internal SD." Then the SD card can be used as the only storage.
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OMG! YES! Finally someone who truly understands what im saying... you said it much better then i did for sure.. but yes thats exactly it.. i heard of someone doing work on this but i cant find the thread anymore.. it was called "*something* partition Mod" but it was for some other phone... if this could be done it would truly make my day and my phone would be perfect! im willing to help make it happen how ever i can ... unfortunately i dont know anything about coding or kernels but if there is another way i can help jus let me know.
I agree this phone does handle memory in a retarded way. Like for example when you move apps to sd it shows your available internal space but when you switch the app it goes to the actual sd card. So you'll notice that as you're switching them the amount available in internal is not decreasing but when you check your sd space you'll notice its memory decreased. However all my music is on the sd and I have no issue with it playing or creating playlists. Maybe you moved the files to sd and you had created the playlist while it was on internal so now it can't find it.. For the most part you can go into most apps setting and change between which memory you want to store internal or sd.
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Yes I can create playlist and play them on the external. The problem is I have Some big playlists on my comp I want to put onto external without having to recreate them. So far I've been unsuccessful. I do need to try media play still though.
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I am having problems with my internal memory dropping below 50MB remaining internal memory and even though I uninstalled several apps (or moved them to my SD card) my internal memory remains nearly the same.
I am wondering if there is some sort of "back-up" folder on my internal phone storage that is taking up a lot of unneeded storage space.
I am running SleeperROM 3.0.0 and have seen some "back-up" folders on the SD card, but don't know where to look on my internal phone storage. I did not have these memory problems when I was running SleeperROM 2.1.0 (or whatever the last version was) even though I had the same number of apps on the phone.
Does anyone know where files cached from internet, e-mail, back-ups are located?
A few apps that updated recently are larger. All apps are stored in data partition on the phone not the Sd card.
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A few apps that updated recently are larger. All apps are stored in data partition on the phone not the Sd card.
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I see that even though I move apps to the SD card, there is still some remnance on the phone. But is there any folder(s) out there that may be storing documents or data from e-mail, web, etc...?
Certain apps, more like games, use the SD card for saving data like many Gameloft titles like Gun Bros save over a gig of data onto the card so that the actual app doesn't take up too much room. The only problem is that our phones use that internal storage for everything and I was wondering if there was a way to switch apps from using my internal card to using the external as a default.
My external card is a 32GB and the internal is a 16GB so I have plenty of room.
The search feature is really awesome...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2068251
Believe me, I tried searching for hours on Google and with this forum and other forum's search engines. But thanks.
So I'm using converted to GPE 16GB HCT One.
I have 32GB SD card and where possible apps load data to the SD (Google Music, Voice recorder etc.)
If you look at the picture I have 8GB available of internal storage but the graph shows less than 40% free (this does not add up)
Also why apps take internal storage if everything is cached to SD
Last time I had to factory reset because I have run out of storage for some reason and despite removing 3GB i was still low on storage.
Anyone can help?
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So I'm using converted to GPE 16GB HCT One.
I have 32GB SD card and where possible apps load data to the SD (Google Music, Voice recorder etc.)
If you look at the picture I have 8GB available of internal storage but the graph shows less than 40% free (this does not add up)
Also why apps take internal storage if everything is cached to SD
Last time I had to factory reset because I have run out of storage for some reason and despite removing 3GB i was still low on storage.
Anyone can help?
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look for an app called FolderMount in the play store
Thanks bit the app doesn't work for me. I don't have root
Moreover, I don't have any data stored from Google music or voice recorder on internal memory. It's all on the sd card and it still takes up the space of the internal storage.
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Thanks bit the app doesn't work for me. I don't have root
Moreover, I don't have any data stored from Google music or voice recorder on internal memory. It's all on the sd card and it still takes up the space of the internal storage.
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Try the DiskUsage app from the play store. It will tell you EXACTLY what is stored on your phone and where it is. I use it myself. It's a great app to have.
Here is a link to the app.
none of this works
Again:
1. music and voice recordings are stored on micro sd card (they do not show up on the internal storage)
2. Google music and voice recorder data reports taking internal storage (see first screenshot)
3. using DiskUsage app there is nothing on the internal storage yet the graph shows less than 40% of 12GB avail (that would be around 4-5GB) but I have actually over 60% free which isnt expressed on the graps
So, somehow android is incorrectly reporting available storage, but then even if I remove something the graph still stays at the same level.
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none of this works
Again:
1. music and voice recordings are stored on micro sd card (they do not show up on the internal storage)
2. Google music and voice recorder data reports taking internal storage (see first screenshot)
3. using DiskUsage app there is nothing on the internal storage yet the graph shows less than 40% of 12GB avail (that would be around 4-5GB) but I have actually over 60% free which isnt expressed on the graps
So, somehow android is incorrectly reporting available storage, but then even if I remove something the graph still stays at the same level.
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graps?
You do realize that the ROM is on internal storage as well, right? Sense based ROMs are around 1.5gb
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graps?
You do realize that the ROM is on internal storage as well, right? Sense based ROMs are around 1.5gb
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Did you look at the photos and what I have been saying?
I'm running GPE stock (full convert)
Yes I know that from 16GB storage you get around 12GB usable due to OS installation and formatting.
Look at the graph again. you have 8GB free of 12GB available. The graph shows that only around 40% is available (8/12 is not 40%!!!!). If I cache music onto my micro SD card, for some reason that data is counted towards internal storage.
I have a 64 GB card I swapped in to the G7 from an Optimus G Pro, and everything seemed good. Now, I'm finding that when looking in the camera roll I"m seeing a lot of black squares, where it seems that the images are lost. Going into Google Photos, they are missing from there as well. I'm seeing a lot of black squares with no photos. Sounds like the card is failing. I'll see about sending it back to Sandisk...
So, I ended up buying a Sandisk SDXC Ultra 128 GB card to replace the failing card. Do I just put it into the phone when it arrives, or do I need to format it in a PC first? Does it need to be formatted in the phone. Do I need to set cluster size, format it as Fat32 or NTFS, etc... I did notice that there were no formatting tools on the phone itself...the only switch I could find was to mount/unmount the card.
Also, is there some way to direct the phone to send all photos that I take to the card and not to internal memory? Same question with downloaded music. I think (but I'm not sure) that I want to keep the phone's internal memory mostly for apps.
Do I want or need multiple partitions or anything else???
Any suggestions?
Put the card in the phone, I'll do the rest. If not, go to storage in the phones menu and select to format the card. The camera should also ask if you want to save to the memory card.
You'll do the rest?
From doing some reading on the subject, I think I'm going to set it up as Portable Storage, and not Internal Storage. I'm hoping that 64 gigs of built in storage should be enough for apps and whatever resides in the phone and not on the external storage.