The EVO carries some great specs and gets some good benchmark scores through various tests but I always felt that it seemed kind of clunky with just navigating through the OS. 2.2 has helped a bit but I still feel the same way.
I was recently supplied with the HTC Aria through the company I work for. Now I know this phone is a more entry level android set, but I am really blown away with how quick this thing feels. Benchmark scores aren't as high as the evo, but the phone just feels so much faster and more fluid through the OS.
I am not trying to start any sort of flame war. I came from the Nexus One and now have the Evo and Aria. Anyone else notice this?
EDIT: Also I did a camera and video comparison. The picture and video quality is just better on the Aria. Maybe it's just my Evo.
booloobunny said:
The EVO carries some great specs and gets some good benchmark scores through various tests but I always felt that it seemed kind of clunky with just navigating through the OS. 2.2 has helped a bit but I still feel the same way.
I was recently supplied with the HTC Aria through the company I work for. Now I know this phone is a more entry level android set, but I am really blown away with how quick this thing feels. Benchmark scores aren't as high as the evo, but the phone just feels so much faster and more fluid through the OS.
I am not trying to start any sort of flame war. I came from the Nexus One and now have the Evo and Aria. Anyone else notice this?
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It's the Damn FPS LOCK! My parents have the incredible and that also feels sooo much smoother. Come on HTC give us a factory fix instead of leaving it to the Devs again! They will fix it! But they shouldn't have to!
P.S. we don't call the Android op sys OS 2.2 its not an iphoney....its froyo ....just messn with Ya I couldn't resist
Is that really what makes it feel that way? I didn't know.
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Is that really what makes it feel that way? I didn't know.
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100% absolutely.
Very much so yes.
I went from CM6 with a 53 FPS avg to test Fresh 3 with the stock HTC kernel with 29 FPS avg. Night and day difference navigating around the phone. It really is that bad. It's a shame HTC is stonewalling on the situation.
-NO fps lock
That's it... I'm running CM-1 with netarchy fix I think... anyway, it's NIGHT and DAY difference. Do yourself a favor and get a rom/kernel with a fix.
Mine benchmarks just fine now... infact, with Cm6 + Snap kernel, I benchmark a bit better than most snapdragon phones.
30.3 on neocore, HOLLA'.
Its not just the fps lock, it also has alot to do with the graphics accelerator. For one HTC didnt include the proper drivers for the graphics to run at full speed and not only that but it is not an indipendent G.A. it is "intergrated". In other words, if youve ever bought a new graphics card for your computer because most of us nerds know that most comps. bought out there have "intergrated" fx cards. They are built into the motherboard, therefor sucking more energy and resources from all the other parts of the computer. Its the same way with this phone, another thing is the HDMI output. Just like a computer if you want to have a nice vid card and also have a tv tuner or another output you would need to take up 2 slots, well you can only fit so many slots in a phone.
The FPS hack is not the answer lol. Ever heard of placebo.. not the band the effect. I am running CM6 and in linpack getting scores of 39.???. My phone is current and runs smooth. However when it comes to changing screens or anything like that its not any less or any more smoother then when it was set to 30fps. I will say this though games do play smoother and that is definitly noticiable.
These people claiming the FPS unlock makes there phone snappier lol what a joke seriously guys? Dont guess things, read up and learn something. Word of mouth isnt always the correct answer.
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The FPS hack is not the answer lol. Ever heard of placebo.. not the band the effect. I am running CM6 and in linpack getting scores of 39.???. My phone is current and runs smooth. However when it comes to changing screens or anything like that its not any less or any more smoother then when it was set to 30fps. I will say this though games do play smoother and that is definitly noticiable.
These people claiming the FPS unlock makes there phone snappier lol what a joke seriously guys? Dont guess things, read up and learn something. Word of mouth isnt always the correct answer.
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not just placebo. Like others have noticed there are Android phones that do not have the fps cap that do run smoother and are equal or less as far as processor and gpu specs go. I have been building pc gaming rigs for the last 8 or so years so I do know the difference not going by word of mouth and also agree with BALeR's post that its not just the fps cap. I didn't mention the gpu in my earlier post because I have used the incredible and it does run smoother loaded up, Not rooted than my evo was stock. Yes might be using different drivers also. The majority of the peeps who use the fps hack can't all be seeing placebo effects. There is some truth to the matter might not be huge but enough non the less for a noticeable difference. Not flaming or saying you are wrong, just defending what I posted.
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The FPS hack is not the answer lol. Ever heard of placebo.. not the band the effect. I am running CM6 and in linpack getting scores of 39.???. My phone is current and runs smooth. However when it comes to changing screens or anything like that its not any less or any more smoother then when it was set to 30fps. I will say this though games do play smoother and that is definitly noticiable.
These people claiming the FPS unlock makes there phone snappier lol what a joke seriously guys? Dont guess things, read up and learn something. Word of mouth isnt always the correct answer.
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I would have to disagree. When I first started using netarchy's kernel for my evo it felt like butter
If the FPS unlock is a placebo than so is Chemo for cancer patients.
lol. yeah SERIOUSLY. I've gone back and forth from stock to Netarchy a dozen times, and I can instantly tell which is which.
My girlfriend has an EVO as well. She wasn't convinced either, so we took both phones, stripped our Sense "Scenes" to "Clean Slate", removed battery covers (I have carbon fiber on the back of mine.) and I had to guess who's was whos.
All I had to do was swipe once or twice and I knew which phone was mine vs hers. we did that probably a dozen times and I got it every single time.
I wasn't going off of some blemish or marking that my phone had that hers didn't, it was solely based on a BLANK screen. (default background of course.) and swiping back and forth.
No, but you're right.. it's make believe, like Toothpaste and the female orgasm.
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The FPS hack is not the answer lol. Ever heard of placebo.. not the band the effect. I am running CM6 and in linpack getting scores of 39.???. My phone is current and runs smooth. However when it comes to changing screens or anything like that its not any less or any more smoother then when it was set to 30fps. I will say this though games do play smoother and that is definitly noticiable.
These people claiming the FPS unlock makes there phone snappier lol what a joke seriously guys? Dont guess things, read up and learn something. Word of mouth isnt always the correct answer.
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LOL,the nerve of some people..So its a Placebo that I and 100's of other people see a huge difference in the over all "snappyness" of the phone when using a fix?...You can't be serious...placebo,lol....Linpack and CM6 isn't all that's out their sir.Seems like you need some real world experiences with other roms and unlocking FPS before posting.
The Evo running at 30hz is awful, running at around 55hz on CM6 rom (used the T2 hack before), and it is WAY WAY WAY WAY better.
I lol at people who lost their root and can't do it... they can whine all they want
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The Evo running at 30hz is awful, running at around 55hz on CM6 rom (used the T2 hack before), and it is WAY WAY WAY WAY better.
I lol at people who lost their root and can't do it... they can whine all they want
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Exactly, it feels so much better. FYI. fps, not hz. two totally different things.
30hz would strain your eyes, possibly and REALLY be annoying.
God imagine that.. 30fpx lock AND 30hz. what a POS that would be.
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Exactly, it feels so much better. FYI. fps, not hz. two totally different things.
30hz would strain your eyes, possibly and REALLY be annoying.
God imagine that.. 30fpx lock AND 30hz. what a POS that would be.
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I believe the display is locked at 30hz, it's not a CRT.
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I believe the display is locked at 30hz, it's not a CRT.
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I can't find actual specs for the screens refresh rate. (excluding the fps cap)
But, I believe the reason we feel so much lag is that the screen is capable of 60hz, which, all LCD screens are now a days. but the cap of 30fps is allowing the screen to refresh 2 times before another frame is drawn, giving us that feeling a lag.
again, this is just my thought on the whole thing as I can't find solid specs of the device, only a bunch of sites that say the 30 fps is a cap on the screens refresh rate. which, ...don't have to be the same thing.
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The FPS hack is not the answer lol. Ever heard of placebo.. not the band the effect. I am running CM6 and in linpack getting scores of 39.???. My phone is current and runs smooth. However when it comes to changing screens or anything like that its not any less or any more smoother then when it was set to 30fps. I will say this though games do play smoother and that is definitly noticiable.
These people claiming the FPS unlock makes there phone snappier lol what a joke seriously guys? Dont guess things, read up and learn something. Word of mouth isnt always the correct answer.
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Wholly inaccurate. Netarchy's kernel shows a dramatic improvement in touch response in addition to improved framerate when scrolling. It's not just a placebo and it's borderline irresponsible to say otherwise.
CyanogenMod wins agian!
I'm actually thinking about the Epic if it gets CM6 support...
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The FPS hack is not the answer lol. Ever heard of placebo.. not the band the effect. I am running CM6 and in linpack getting scores of 39.???. My phone is current and runs smooth. However when it comes to changing screens or anything like that its not any less or any more smoother then when it was set to 30fps. I will say this though games do play smoother and that is definitly noticiable.
These people claiming the FPS unlock makes there phone snappier lol what a joke seriously guys? Dont guess things, read up and learn something. Word of mouth isnt always the correct answer.
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Come back to us when you compare a Stock Nexus One or Incredible and a Stock Evo.
Again, scrolling between screens and apps... one can see a BIG difference.
The 30fps cap puts a TOUCH INPUT LAG. This makes it feel like the phone is lagging behind you. You swipe across the screen and the phone actually registers it around half a second after you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szOje7dcRlo
Looks like someone's a pretty big hypocrite... Twilk, you need to do some reading and learning.
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On top of that, I put the Cm6 Snap Kernel on top of the Cm6-RC1...
I get higher 3d benchmarks. For example...
-16.8 fps on Nenamark (formerly... 10'ish fps)
-30.3 fps on Neocore (formerly 25'ish)
-43 fps on GL Benchmark HD 1.1 (formerly 28'ish)
Install a Custom Rom, Netarchy's latest kernel and then Launcher Pro. You will notice a big difference
Has anyone looked in to this to see if it is something that we could possibly port over/modify to work on our phones and benefit from?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=749495
I did a search and didn't see any topics started on this so I figured it was worth asking.
It increased the quadrant scores tremendously for the Galaxy S.
Non applicable.
Galaxy class phones have serious lag problems due to installation of apps on slow sd.
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If someone wants to compile a new kernel with the "fix" implemented, sure. You would need a class 6 sdcard to see any benefit from it though. The EVO guys are doing it and seeing numbers over 2000. There's no reason it wouldn't work. Though, you probably wouldnt notice any practical difference in the phone in regular use. I'm assuming the quadrant increase is due to the read write speeds being much higher using a card that fast, thus increasing the I/O score on quadrant.
What people don't seem to realize is that quadrant score is an average of the different tests, and not just a blanket score to use for comparisons...on the galaxy s it does fix the lag problem they have. Watch one do a quadrant test. The I/O test takes over a minute. A nice aide effect of the fix is that it inflates quadrant scores. The incredible is far from laggy, so you'd basically be doing it just to see a higher quadrant score.
You'd also have to figure out a way to use the Amon-RA recovery instead of clockwork, as only it can partition the sdcard in the correct way to implement this...
I'd actually love to see people try more things with the kernels, the ones we have are nice, but pretty basic. The EVO guys also have one that actively adjusts the cpu voltage based on speed and temperature, it's supposed to really increase the battery life. I guess that's probably due to the EVO not having the same supply shortages, and the fact they gave out a ton of them free to developers at the google conference, lol.
After racking my brain recently thinking that possibly my evo was somehow screwed up internally, I found the culprit.
Here's what happened....
I got bored and curious so I flashed a CM7 nightly to assure myself I have been missing nothing. Did the usual battery of testing after I update all my apps. Pathetically slow. I was left wondering how people could be bragging of 1600+ quadrant scores on aosp roms while I was barely getting over 1000. On VP I was accustomed to getting high 1400's. It seemed smooth enough but I wanted my VP back. I did a fresh install after a few wipes, same routine, updated apps and found I was getting 951 on the quadrant score, topping out at maybe 1100. That is 400 points below what I was getting before using the same kernel etc!
This has gone on for days now, been reading xda, even bugged a developer to see if he had insight. Thought I was onto something earlier when people reported problems with DarkTremors a2sd since I had upgraded to latest beta 4. So I wiped no less than 7 times, even once in the bootloader. Installed VaelPak2.3a and my scores were back! Thought I solved it but nope. Installed VaelPak3.1 found my scores back to normal. Did update 2, scores still normal. Upgraded apps. Scores dropped 300+ points.
Pulled the Quadrant from the VaelPak rom, and guess what? My scores are back to normal! So, am I the only one who has upgraded Quadrant and seen a difference in scores?
[quadrant version 1.1.5 is the good working version, 1.1.7 currently in the Market is causing the low scores]
Damn you're right, I was getting 1800+ before and now with 1.1.7 it's down to 1500+. Not quite the drop you were getting but it's still a significant difference.
Is it possible that newer Quadrant is supposed to give lower scores now on same hardware because it takes into account better hardware/newer phones? Idk, just posing the question
The most recent quadrant update apparently shows lower score results. Same thing happened with Linpack awhile back, they say it's more accurate now :/
same here, dropped by almost 200.
I can't say for sure whether they wanted the drop to "be more accurate" since the change log for 1.1.7 only claims gingerbread compatibility fixes. If you notice, the comparison chart levels have not changed along with the result ranges. A standard EVO is still something like 1200 or 1250 like it has always been. So, I do not see these numbers being more accurate if I am scoring significantly less than a stock unrooted phone.
I guess what I am saying is that if a benchmark decides to adjust their rating scale, the comparison scale should follow suit.
Don't you hate it when you spend time trying to fix something and here it not you at all? Like the the sound goes out on the TV. Then you spend the next 10 min. reseting receivers your TV and every device in your house. Just to find you its the cable company. Man I hate that.. let the bashing of cable companies begin...
Also:
I used to run those kinds of tests on my video cards on my pc all the time. Then they started making them for better cards and my scores kept going lower and lower. Eventually I got board with it because I knew I had a good card. It was just their POS software was making it look bad. Haven't ran that app since. Hope that doesn't happen to quadrant.
no wonder, and i cant get 1.1.7 to work on my g1. can anyone kindly share me 1.1.5's apk?
googled for it but couldnt find any
thanks!
I know the Evo is an older phone but it still hold it's own and is sometimes the standard in which a benchmark has been made. I ALSO know that the quadrant score is just a placebo and not really something you go by to define your phones abilities.
That being said, I noticed on the quad test in the video area I was getting single to LOW double digit frame-rates. I didn't try this with the stock but I get the same results on Warm and on CM7. I use the quad test just for my personal use and a small ruler just to see what might have changed from Rom to Rom. The CM7 Rom on nightly 30 is fantastic but the video score is pushing out a 1000 quad score BELOW the Evo 2.2 marker. It also did the same when I tried out 26(maybe 25) so I know this is phone related somehow.
I'm not worried about speeding up the phone because it's snappy, I was more curious as to what the deal is with the video processing. Is this standard or fixable?
As you already stated Quadrant is a bit of a placebo. The bigger problem is that it is highly inaccurate with Gingergread. CM7 will get around 1000 because of this alone. This is not because of the graphics. Flash back to CM6 and rerun it, I was hitting 1700s with early Savage kernel (pre-zen-merger), the graphics scores aren't much better: the planets maxes around 45-50fps but the others rarely crack 20.
Another interesting thing I found. Run it twice. 2nd will always be higher. Might be a true score. Not sure why this is. I'm on CM7 but I did this on other ROMs.
You'll get higher scores on anything but CM7, but honestly the scores don't measure your performance.
I agree they don't and again I am not saying "why are my scores low". I am actually watching the video test and seeing FPS 9-18. I could care less what the end result is, I'll put my phone up to anyones phone in the same ballpark and I know it will blow away or hold it's own.
Is there another standalone more accurate video test?
I am coming from a Vibrant which was sick and I don't expect the same picture but 9FPS is not good for any phone.
Using my Optimus G Pro (E980 AT&T) and running the various benchmarking tests found on this page:
http://www.fonearena.com/blog/74596/lg-optimus-g-pro-benchmarks.html
...I am able to get pretty identical results for most of the major test apps such as Quadrant, Antutu etc...
HOWEVER, the one huge difference is the Nenamark2 frames-per-second test, which shows the OGP as being able to get around 59fps on average, whereas I have run it dozens of times now and always get absolutely horrible results around the 30fps range.
Would a few people here be able to run this quick test (under a minute) and post their results?
I'm not sure why I'd be getting similar results for the other tests but such horrendous ones for Nenamark 2.
Thanks to anyone who can help...
I ran the Nenamark 2 test 3 times. My results were 59.2, 59.8 and 60.0 FPS. I took screenshots of them as well if you wish to see them. But I should note that I have rooted my phone, use ROMToolbox to remove all AT&T based apps on the device. So I have personally removed the bloat from my device. Not sure if that makes this much of a difference, but figured I would say that just so you know that I am not completely stock.
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I ran the Nenamark 2 test 3 times. My results were 59.2, 59.8 and 60.0 FPS. I took screenshots of them as well if you wish to see them. But I should note that I have rooted my phone, use ROMToolbox to remove all AT&T based apps on the device. So I have personally removed the bloat from my device. Not sure if that makes this much of a difference, but figured I would say that just so you know that I am not completely stock.
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Thanks for taking the time to help test and report these results, I appreciate the effort and assistance. After I used Titanium Backup and disabled some root applications which must have been interfering, I too am now getting consistent results in the 59-60fps range. I am running stock as well though rooted with minimal modifications. So not too dissimilar a setup overall.
Cheers and thanks again for chiming in!
No problem. It was no problem to install those few apps and run some tests. Glad that removing some of the bloat solved the issue.
I got 60.0 fps running stock no root. All I did was disabled some ATT bloatware. First test I got 42.5 fps because I got an SMS in the middle, but the second one I got 60.0 fps.