I've wanted to create my own ROMs for a while since I had my old Evo but didn't get around to it. I know that the easiest and most common way for newbies is through the Android Kitchen but I've read that the kitchen is meant mostly for HTC phones and the initial list that I saw here on XDA (updated in Summer 2012) does not include our Galaxy SIII. It does include almost all of the other Galaxy models. I also read something about YAFFS having something to do with the kitchen too, that most high-end devices don't include this which is a reason why the program doesn't support our devices.
Anyway, I have read that there is a possibility that it was supported or there was a file that I could use for it. So I was wondering if this was a method through Android Kitchen or another way of creating a custom ROM.
Do some research on "Aroma Installer". Also, pm a developer of a rom that you find stable. Ask them if you can use their rom as a base. That is a great place to start. Even before you ask, just download a rom. You can load it on your device, modify it on your phone, and zip it up. Just do not post it for anyone else's use without asking the developer. If you don't want to use another developers work, start with stock as your base. I strongly recommend that you start there, gain some knowledge, do a ton of reading, and report back after. For the most part, developers are very friendly and willing to help. However, they don't want to teach you the basics or the lingo. I build my own roms, just for me. If you have any questions, feel free to ask.
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Do some research on "Aroma Installer". Also, pm a developer of a rom that you find stable. Ask them if you can use their rom as a base. That is a great place to start. Even before you ask, just download a rom. You can load it on your device, modify it on your phone, and zip it up. Just do not post it for anyone else's use without asking the developer. If you don't want to use another developers work, start with stock as your base. I strongly recommend that you start there, gain some knowledge, do a ton of reading, and report back after. For the most part, developers are very friendly and willing to help. However, they don't want to teach you the basics or the lingo. I build my own roms, just for me. If you have any questions, feel free to ask.
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Thank you very much for the helpful post! I kind of figured it was just modifying existing ROMs. But I'll check out that Aroma Installer and see what I come up with.
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Thank you very much for the helpful post! I kind of figured it was just modifying existing ROMs. But I'll check out that Aroma Installer and see what I come up with.
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Well alot of the times people join a team and get taught the ways of making a rom!!!!!! Im going to be doing a team memeber Search soon. alot of Team rejectz memebers are still in SGS2 section and we need some over in this thread
That's something I thought about doing lately. I've been flashing roms for years but never attempted to build a rom. Maybe time to do some research!
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Well alot of the times people join a team and get taught the ways of making a rom!!!!!! Im going to be doing a team memeber Search soon. alot of Team rejectz memebers are still in SGS2 section and we need some over in this thread
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I actually have an idea for you guys. If you want my help, I'm willing. Create an amazing stable rom, and create themes for the most popular NFL teams. Then, package it as the NFL lovers rom and include nfl apps and game watching tools. That's a big market.
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Well alot of the times people join a team and get taught the ways of making a rom!!!!!! Im going to be doing a team memeber Search soon. alot of Team rejectz memebers are still in SGS2 section and we need some over in this thread
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I would love to learn! I'm eager to! pm me.
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I think part of being a developer is knowing what forum section to ask a questions. LOL.. Just saying
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I actually have an idea for you guys. If you want my help, I'm willing. Create an amazing stable rom, and create themes for the most popular NFL teams. Then, package it as the NFL lovers rom and include nfl apps and game watching tools. That's a big market.
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Lol thats what i was doing for football season Ugh lol you let the cat out of the bag. I have a rom out Called "The Ultimate Rom" which will change with the seasons. But for Thanksgiving I was going to drop an Update called the "Turkey Bowl", Where Im dropping Icons, and colors to match your fav team
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I've seen these teams across various communities and scenes but I'm curious in what sorts of ways do each member in team contribute to the overall project? Is it like a construction site where you have a welder, crane operator, etc. where each person does a different job or is it something different?
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I actually have an idea for you guys. If you want my help, I'm willing. Create an amazing stable rom, and create themes for the most popular NFL teams. Then, package it as the NFL lovers rom and include nfl apps and game watching tools. That's a big market.
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That sounds easy enough. Thank you!
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I've seen these teams across various communities and scenes but I'm curious in what sorts of ways do each member in team contribute to the overall project? Is it like a construction site where you have a welder, crane operator, etc. where each person does a different job or is it something different?
well i look at it like this, Im the founder of Team Rejectz but this isn't a pyramid or some type of dictatorship, nor will you be judged for being new. we're more like family and all though some of us have our own projects we still look out for each other and teach each other what ever we learn or know. Its always good to know that if you ever need help with something, there's a teammate a text a way or call, to help you out and make sure your getting the right info and not some imitation developing.
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bcparker over at sdx-developers has created a simply amazing samsung moment theme called minimal elegance. Anyone interested in porting it? I tried using some of the autoporting scripts with no luck so far.
I'd post a link but I don't have permission yet... haven't been a member of the forum long enough.
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That's one sexy theme. Can't post links either sorry.
I particularly like the dialer.
I can always be persuaded 2 people wanting the same thing use not enuff
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That's a nice theme. I'd request this too.
nice i want
Me want this as welll. Pretty please
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Thanks to everyone expressing interest. If any of you could post the link to the sdx board (like I said can't yet) that might help drum up some interest.
Much thanks!
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here is your link sir
http://forum.sdx-developers.com/theme-files/(bcparker)-minimal-elegance-v4-released!/
looks really nice!
with all the recent b/s going on with my theme i choose not to dev, port anything for android anymore.
@venumx
Thanks for the link!
@mysteryemotionz
I'm very sorry you had a poor experience. My quick search didn't find the issues you referred to, but I have seen instances of members acting ungrateful in the ROM/customization community, and it upsets me every time. The developers are creating all this and giving it to the users for free. There's no reason for complaints. If I don't like something, I simply don't use it. I still appreciate someone took the time to give me another option. If that wasn't your experience I apologize on behalf of everyone involved. Much thanks for what you did contribute before you were convinced otherwise.
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@venumx
Thanks for the link!
@mysteryemotionz
I'm very sorry you had a poor experience. My quick search didn't find the issues you referred to, but I have seen instances of members acting ungrateful in the ROM/customization community, and it upsets me every time. The developers are creating all this and giving it to the users for free. There's no reason for complaints. If I don't like something, I simply don't use it. I still appreciate someone took the time to give me another option. If that wasn't your experience I apologize on behalf of everyone involved. Much thanks for what you did contribute before you were convinced otherwise.
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look in my themes thread. also look in the baked snack thread where it all started.
not everyone is like you and expect everything for free. use devolpers do this has a hobby and dont ask for a dime. yes we have donation links but we dont force you to donate to use are product. ive s[ent well over 30 hours alone working on my theme and thats with the help i recived from others. why should i continue my work if people are going to be un gratefull about it
does look pretty
In regards to what happened with strongsteve earlier this evening, I hope that you will come to the realization that you made a mistake. I know that you are attempting to work it out with Steve directly, but that resolution could, and should, be an admission of your misstep and immediate correction of the error.
I don't think anyone on here would argue with your logic in breaking the forums up into general topics. But in this case, the area was gray at best. If all of Steve's users and supporters knew his work and his information to be in the Dev section, what is the harm in leaving it in the Dev section? Instead, you so insulted a great contributor to the point that he felt compelled to shut his project down. I would strongly argue that that is far more harmful than having Steve's work appear in the Dev section of the forum.
I'm not suggesting that the notion of sub-forums be removed. We can't have chaos here. But in the case of something so gray, something so questionable, you made a bad call. Hell, I'm sure it is just a matter of time before this thread gets moved. But I wanted Steve and his supporters to read this, and this is the sub-forum they are trolling.
So I ask you to simply right your wrong. Because if you don't, a great many of us are going to miss out on some fantastic DEV WORK that Steve is doing.
So what I miss?
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So what I miss?
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Mod:
This is clearly a themed ROM - using a base that is a deodexed base of the stock ROM. This is not an Original Development ROM, but is a themed ROM - so it is moved to Themes & Apps. It is entirely appropriate to place themed ROMs in the Themes section.
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Steve:
I will no longer be supporting these roms or developing any more odexed modded roms since they are not considered worthy for the Dev section
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Just read his threads. His work is original development. Go read a dictionary for "develop" ... Jerdog is in the wrong. Taking away CIQ is not a theme either lol. He was the first to have it odexed, it is original
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I can't believe nobody has started to flame this thread for being posted in the Dev section... lmao
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I can't believe nobody has started to flame this thread for being posted in the Dev section... lmao
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I'm more civilized compared to others when it comes to moving threads. It's the internet,nbd lol
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Also in regards to "original" development. This isn't the international thread for the galaxy s2. They have separate sections for original development and the other normal development. We have one, it's called development, and the developer was only developing
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just read the thread, and if thats the case, every rom here is a direct copy of samsung/sprint
These guys are rough.
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just read the thread, and if thats the case, every rom here is a direct copy of samsung/sprint
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Not to troll but I'm sure this thread will be closed in a few so I'd like to comment about this situation.. I don't know the full jist but I would think that we as a community would do anything in our power to keep these devs happy cause without them we got NOTHING...Well maybe Rootzwiki but Like I just said....NADA!!! So I support Steve all the way!!!
Considering how few roms have been developed so far we should be embracing all that we have. Looking over the thread I can see how this decision by the mods is heavy handed.
What ROM did Steve make?
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Considering how few roms have been developed so far we should be embracing all that we have.
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Agree with this.
one less dev. not cool.
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I think you missed the point here - no one is saying what has been done here isn't worthy - quite the contrary. This is an effort to move things that are original development and separate them from things that are MOD's and Themes. There is a difference between creating a ROM from scratch and theming someone else's work by taking pieces from here and there, making changes and then zipping it up into an update.zip.
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This is ridiculous. Has anyone here made a rom from scratch?!? I'd love to meet a dev who can create their own rom without ANYTHING from samsung and sprint. Steve's odexed roms are top notch and some of the best roms I've used. No los, no problems. As for people who say you can flash separate mods, you can to some extent but I've found even trying to flash the stock kernel to be a pain for some roms. Steve may have used other elements such as the ICS theme but he gave credit for whom it was due and he made one of my fav roms. Leave it in the DEV section!
This is not a school we are grown people that are subpose to make a community of something we enjoy since when did everyone get there panties In a twist and further more I like to see the moderator Dec anything cause last time I check every rom has sprints of base and everey. Rom thread has thank yous to other devs. Tweaks . Let us work together cause if stuff like this keeps happening people are gonna start jumping ship to rootswiki it ppc. And that's my 2 cents VERY DISAPPOINTED XDA!
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This is ridiculous. Has anyone here made a rom from scratch?!? I'd love to meet a dev who can create their own rom without ANYTHING from samsung and sprint. Steve's odexed roms are top notch and some of the best roms I've used. No los, no problems. As for people who say you can flash separate mods, you can to some extent but I've found even trying to flash the stock kernel to be a pain for some roms. Steve may have used other elements such as the ICS theme but he gave credit for whom it was due and he made one of my fav roms. Leave it in the DEV section!
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Yes, you can flash separate mods if you are deodexed, but Steve odexed some of those mods that otherwise were only meant to be used on deodexed roms by their original developers. As I understand, he was working on odexing others as well. In addition, the other roms on here include all sorts of mods created by others. The all also give credit where credit is due, Steve included as stated previously.
Please leave Strongsteve's roms in the dev section as he has created the only odexed roms with the goodies we all want to have and was continually adding more as he revised the original mods to be compatible with an odexed rom.
PLEASE!! be nice to Strongsteve's he does deserve the respect..... at the same time I wanna give a shoutout to Strongsteve's for all the great job he has done. I thank you very much.
I totally agree with this and feel they are way off base. I support strongsteve fully.
It takes a lot to admit being wrong but that is what needs to happen here from mods.
It was nice to finally see odexed getting some respect not to mention the dev section for this phone finally getting a good amount of activity.
A good thing has been taken away. Please reconsider.
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I've been a "watcher" too long in this community. It's time to contribute back what I can.
I have a server doing nothing, and I'd love to waste as much bandwidth as I can.
If you're a developer for a ROM, and you'd like to have PHP, FTP, perl, sql, etc support, please reply to this thread or message me directly, and I'd be more than happy to get things set up for you ASAP. This is a new device, with a fantastic development community, and I think every developer deserves a chance for success. An email address, along with a website will help accomplish this for determined individuals. I don't plan on ever letting go of the domain names, or the server that I have.
Cheers you guys.
P.S. > Also, if someone wouldn't mind helping keep this thread active by posting articles or links to publishers with books available to teach me how to develop, that would be fantastic. I know this fits a little closer with "General", but its important, I think, that developers get involved in this, because of the huge possibility of misinformation.
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Great idea.
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Here's a good article to get started, from the man himself
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=667298
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Good idea +1
I was really, really hoping this thread wasnt going to be moved to general, because now it is probably never going to be read by the developers. If by any chance you know someone who is developing roms for the sgsii, or how to get ahold of people who are, i would love to spearhead this project and get their hosting up asap. I would love to have a website for your rom, a central hub for tools, resources, and links, but i dont have any of the web development knowledge or background to even know what cms software would work best. Ive installed hundreds of vbulletin boards back in the day (when pirating vbulletin and ipb was fun). I know how to use cpanel very well, how to modify apache and php settings, and how to setup mysql, but i guess ive been out of the loop too long. Help me out guys. Lets get a website going for these awesome developers.
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Okay, perhaps a new approach. Would someone like to try and help me get a website going with all the important files for the 989? (ODiN, radios, stock roms, drivers, etc).
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Okay, perhaps a new approach. Would someone like to try and help me get a website going with all the important files for the 989? (ODiN, radios, stock roms, drivers, etc).
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If your looking for someone to gather and upload and get descriptions and such I would be happy to. If your looking more for someone to make zips and such that is a little out of my league.
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If your looking for someone to gather and upload and get descriptions and such I would be happy to. If your looking more for someone to make zips and such that is a little out of my league.
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I think I'm going to need to install some sort of software on my server to host the downloads. Then the guides and descriptions all fall into place. I'm just not sure. I think it'd be a good idea.
I suggest posting on skyrockets (I727 sister device nearly identical) forum as well, in order to really stir interest...
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I was really, really hoping this thread wasnt going to be moved to general,
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you might have not noticed, but the DEVs do read the General forum as well
in fact we keep asking people to keep the comments on General, unless they are of development value, then they should reply back to the DEV topic
but as usual newbies never listen
So I have been wondering for awhile now and maybe someone can explain it to me but what are the teams about? Isn't XDA one big team? I do not understand why people break up into little groups. Wouldn't it be easier\better if everyone was all on the same team sharing info and knowledge?
Not trying to bash anyone for being on a team or saying they are bad I am just curious.
I think its just that there's certain individuals that decide to pursue one side of developing and other individuals who pursue another. Where their interest don't meet they seek others. There's small competition which will always lead to innovation. And they brand it a team for rightful acknowledgment and credit. They don't keep info from others they share it when asked I'm sure.
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So I have been wondering for awhile now and maybe someone can explain it to me but what are the teams about? Isn't XDA one big team? I do not understand why people break up into little groups. Wouldn't it be easier\better if everyone was all on the same team sharing info and knowledge?
Not trying to bash anyone for being on a team or saying they are bad I am just curious.
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Well I started TeAm VeNuM because I am self taught. I wanted to teach and help those that wanted to learn. Most developers are secretive, arrogant and egotistical. I wanted a TEAM that would help each other and place "WE" before "I". Because in all the years I've been doing this I have yet to learn everything. But people on our team are constantly helping me learn, live and grow... "There is strength in numbers."
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lmfaoo
rujelus22is right if all share knowledge alot can me accomplish like makign more cool roms and more tweaks etc! SHARING IS CARING
but then again there is competition
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Well I started TeAm VeNuM because I am self taught. I wanted to teach and help those that wanted to learn. Most developers are secretive, arrogant and egotistical. I wanted a TEAM that would help each other and place "WE" before "I". Because in all the years I've been doing this I have yet to learn everything. But people on our team are constantly helping me learn, live and grow... "There is strength in numbers."
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Well that is good to hear. I have always had good experiences with TeAm VeNuM. I have like you said though run into a lot of the other type of teams that are secretive, arrogant and egotistical.
mrej its often not about competition. Not everyone has the time to help every single person. It takes more time to write a good thread than it does to assist one person. But we applaud both.
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ROTFLMFAO!!! What a GREAT analogy iSaint!! Bravo!!! Lmfao
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iSaint you are a crazy S.O.B. But This forum would be almost boring without you around. Lol.
Teams are just that. I want to grow and learn new things. Its very hard when you are all alone. To have other people there to help you when u need it is a great asset. I would help anyone who needed it dont get me wrong but I like the fact i got numerious people on my side. Other devs are kinda self centered. I was getting that way my self then I realized it didnt make any sense to go at this alone.
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I think of all the guys at team Mik as my mentors.. its who you learn from that you stay loyal to. There are several little niches or specialties.
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Well see now I read all of that and I feel all lonely by myself now.
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Well see now I read all of that and I feel all lonely by myself now.
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Seems like your thread is full of outstanding team mates.. Mark for one..
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Seems like your thread is full of outstanding team mates.. Mark for one..
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We're great cheerleaders just not quite ready for prime time (i.e. know little to nothing about creating ROMs, themes, etc) but he definitely has our support!
I'd love to start learning just have to find the time to get started and stick with it, for now I just ride the bench and root him on.
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Well I started TeAm VeNuM because I am self taught. I wanted to teach and help those that wanted to learn. Most developers are secretive, arrogant and egotistical. I wanted a TEAM that would help each other and place "WE" before "I". Because in all the years I've been doing this I have yet to learn everything. But people on our team are constantly helping me learn, live and grow... "There is strength in numbers."
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Team ERA started out sorry of the same way on the OG epic by ksmullins. There was a bunch of us who wanted to give back so we started working together, pretty much self teaching each other other new things all the time until we finally got some ROM's going. Unfortunately After a while some of us moved to different devices and kind of fell off the charts, but i think we are starting to get back together at least when we have time. It would be nice if we had some more of the OG epic guys come over here with us but we try and make due and are always taking help when we can. Without help from other teams, devs, and xda members we wouldn't be anywhere. I can't vouche for any other forums but the OG epic and this one really are great communities for all members to learn and create great products.
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We're great cheerleaders just not quite ready for prime time (i.e. know little to nothing about creating ROMs, themes, etc) but he definitely has our support!
I'd love to start learning just have to find the time to get started and stick with it, for now I just ride the bench and root him on.
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Once I get the time to finish up my guides maybe this will change.
ACS is really a great team to be on. XDA gets big. If I need guidance or want to learn an aspect of things I know who to go to. Sometimes you can move faster within a team. Also sometimes teams create the need for a project and in the end everyone's a bit better at what they did or learned something completely new.
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So I have been wondering for awhile now and maybe someone can explain it to me but what are the teams about? Isn't XDA one big team? I do not understand why people break up into little groups. Wouldn't it be easier\better if everyone was all on the same team sharing info and knowledge?
Not trying to bash anyone for being on a team or saying they are bad I am just curious.
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If you had a team you wouldn't have to theme every app in your great ROM your themes or amazing but as you know there are alot of black on black text that you can't see if you had a team that might get worked out faster
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Well see now I read all of that and I feel all lonely by myself now.
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You could have your pick of teams. I don't think anyone would refute that
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I think the teams are more like the brand name.. like stated a lot of devs from the og epic and even from this device has since moved on to other devices but im sure still speak and help eachother out and still consider themselves part of that team. but everybody has a name.. team venum, rogue, era, etc.. but i agree, all these different teams and individual devs should help eachother as much as possible not sure what happens behind the scenes though so i have no idea how each is personally.. dont have no reason to interrupt a dev but i can vouch ruje let me test a few betas of his rom and no other dev has
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because you cant have organization without teams, and without organization, nothing gets accomplished. you're thinking of teams in the sense of sports where teams play against eachother. that isn't true in this case. here, teams work alongside each other with a common goal: to enhance devices. it's no different than a store having different departments; the departments aren't working against each other, they're working alongside each other to form a bigger picture.
If you're not a Dev and would like to contribute, or if you like hanging around xda, let's not bash, cry, complain. All of this stops what people are bringing to us, for free, with allot of time and sacrifice invested to make all of our phone experience better. If you have nothing to add, and take take take, with nothing to give to the community, please kindly keep your mouth shut or offer constructive criticism. Thank you for your time and let's make this a safe haven to share ideas, offer tips, and make our phones better than the average consumer
Arthur Tiongson for President
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I agree 100%. But there's always that select few that think they are entitled to voice their opinions in the harshest possible way, when in reality they couldnt even begin to comprehend what kernel and ROM developers do. (Not ROM chefs.)
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Developers earn their respect. Kangers expect it.
There's should be a separate sub-forum for kanging. Keep that sh-t out of the real development section.
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Developers earn their respect. Kangers expect it.
There's should be a separate sub-forum for kanging. Keep that sh-t out of the real development section.
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I half-way agree with that, in terms of the forum part.
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Developers earn their respect. Kangers expect it.
There's should be a separate sub-forum for kanging. Keep that sh-t out of the real development section.
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Well then... with that rule I guess all we'll have is TC's CM10 nightly thread.
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Well then... with that rule I guess all we'll have is TC's CM10 nightly thread.
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As far as real development then yeah and whitehawkxs aokp thread as well as eugene 's ROMs or at least his aosp ROM. Sorry to be so blunt when it isn't 4:20 ,but its the truth.
And for the knuckle heads that want to say what have you contributed. I help where I can test and run log cats with some fellows on irc but I would never take some one else's ROM put some one else's tweaks in it ,zip it and call it my own and if the makes me a dev the I'm chief boyardee!
Oh and if I would do something like I would keep it in general take remove my pay pal button and have direct links to the dev's op of the ROM I'm using. Just sayin that's what I would do.
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