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Open Letter to XDA Regarding strongsteve

In regards to what happened with strongsteve earlier this evening, I hope that you will come to the realization that you made a mistake. I know that you are attempting to work it out with Steve directly, but that resolution could, and should, be an admission of your misstep and immediate correction of the error.
I don't think anyone on here would argue with your logic in breaking the forums up into general topics. But in this case, the area was gray at best. If all of Steve's users and supporters knew his work and his information to be in the Dev section, what is the harm in leaving it in the Dev section? Instead, you so insulted a great contributor to the point that he felt compelled to shut his project down. I would strongly argue that that is far more harmful than having Steve's work appear in the Dev section of the forum.
I'm not suggesting that the notion of sub-forums be removed. We can't have chaos here. But in the case of something so gray, something so questionable, you made a bad call. Hell, I'm sure it is just a matter of time before this thread gets moved. But I wanted Steve and his supporters to read this, and this is the sub-forum they are trolling.
So I ask you to simply right your wrong. Because if you don't, a great many of us are going to miss out on some fantastic DEV WORK that Steve is doing.

So what I miss?
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So what I miss?
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Mod:
This is clearly a themed ROM - using a base that is a deodexed base of the stock ROM. This is not an Original Development ROM, but is a themed ROM - so it is moved to Themes & Apps. It is entirely appropriate to place themed ROMs in the Themes section.
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Steve:
I will no longer be supporting these roms or developing any more odexed modded roms since they are not considered worthy for the Dev section
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Just read his threads. His work is original development. Go read a dictionary for "develop" ... Jerdog is in the wrong. Taking away CIQ is not a theme either lol. He was the first to have it odexed, it is original
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I can't believe nobody has started to flame this thread for being posted in the Dev section... lmao

SupahDave said:
I can't believe nobody has started to flame this thread for being posted in the Dev section... lmao
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I'm more civilized compared to others when it comes to moving threads. It's the internet,nbd lol
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in b4 lock

Also in regards to "original" development. This isn't the international thread for the galaxy s2. They have separate sections for original development and the other normal development. We have one, it's called development, and the developer was only developing
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just read the thread, and if thats the case, every rom here is a direct copy of samsung/sprint

These guys are rough.
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T.C.P said:
just read the thread, and if thats the case, every rom here is a direct copy of samsung/sprint
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+100000000
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Not to troll but I'm sure this thread will be closed in a few so I'd like to comment about this situation.. I don't know the full jist but I would think that we as a community would do anything in our power to keep these devs happy cause without them we got NOTHING...Well maybe Rootzwiki but Like I just said....NADA!!! So I support Steve all the way!!!

Considering how few roms have been developed so far we should be embracing all that we have. Looking over the thread I can see how this decision by the mods is heavy handed.

What ROM did Steve make?

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Considering how few roms have been developed so far we should be embracing all that we have.
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Agree with this.
one less dev. not cool.

jerdog said:
I think you missed the point here - no one is saying what has been done here isn't worthy - quite the contrary. This is an effort to move things that are original development and separate them from things that are MOD's and Themes. There is a difference between creating a ROM from scratch and theming someone else's work by taking pieces from here and there, making changes and then zipping it up into an update.zip.
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This is ridiculous. Has anyone here made a rom from scratch?!? I'd love to meet a dev who can create their own rom without ANYTHING from samsung and sprint. Steve's odexed roms are top notch and some of the best roms I've used. No los, no problems. As for people who say you can flash separate mods, you can to some extent but I've found even trying to flash the stock kernel to be a pain for some roms. Steve may have used other elements such as the ICS theme but he gave credit for whom it was due and he made one of my fav roms. Leave it in the DEV section!

This is not a school we are grown people that are subpose to make a community of something we enjoy since when did everyone get there panties In a twist and further more I like to see the moderator Dec anything cause last time I check every rom has sprints of base and everey. Rom thread has thank yous to other devs. Tweaks . Let us work together cause if stuff like this keeps happening people are gonna start jumping ship to rootswiki it ppc. And that's my 2 cents VERY DISAPPOINTED XDA!
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ervman1 said:
This is ridiculous. Has anyone here made a rom from scratch?!? I'd love to meet a dev who can create their own rom without ANYTHING from samsung and sprint. Steve's odexed roms are top notch and some of the best roms I've used. No los, no problems. As for people who say you can flash separate mods, you can to some extent but I've found even trying to flash the stock kernel to be a pain for some roms. Steve may have used other elements such as the ICS theme but he gave credit for whom it was due and he made one of my fav roms. Leave it in the DEV section!
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Yes, you can flash separate mods if you are deodexed, but Steve odexed some of those mods that otherwise were only meant to be used on deodexed roms by their original developers. As I understand, he was working on odexing others as well. In addition, the other roms on here include all sorts of mods created by others. The all also give credit where credit is due, Steve included as stated previously.
Please leave Strongsteve's roms in the dev section as he has created the only odexed roms with the goodies we all want to have and was continually adding more as he revised the original mods to be compatible with an odexed rom.

PLEASE!! be nice to Strongsteve's he does deserve the respect..... at the same time I wanna give a shoutout to Strongsteve's for all the great job he has done. I thank you very much.

I totally agree with this and feel they are way off base. I support strongsteve fully.
It takes a lot to admit being wrong but that is what needs to happen here from mods.
It was nice to finally see odexed getting some respect not to mention the dev section for this phone finally getting a good amount of activity.
A good thing has been taken away. Please reconsider.
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TDJ thread

TDJ's Dev threads should all be visible again.
Also, for all those looking for it, here is a link to TDJ's G+ page: https://plus.google.com/110028656953160917856/posts
Please do not start any more threads on this matter - feel free to use this thread to rant, complain or whatever but any other threads will be deleted to keep the section tidy.
edit: just to be clear though, I'm not promising to answer any questions - I'm not going to comment here, it's just a replacement/substitute for the multitude of threads that were popping up on this matter.

Thank you for restoring the threads.

I'm not here to get myself in trouble and being as I am relatively new to the site I wanted to ask one question and make one comment.
Comment: Out of 104 replies, 52 people are using TDJ's ROM.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1681221
With that being said:
Question: Is it a common practice to remove such work without notice or an explanation? I know we are all human and emotions come into play and by all means I am not questioning the actions of any mod but maybe, based on the comment above, things should be handled better in the future. Just a suggestion.

Why doesn't dark side evolution do my laundry?
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Thank you for putting his stuff back up. I for one appreciate his work (amongst many others) and appreciate him standing up for what is right when we see people doing wrong. I've seen other devs insult his work (comparing roms) and not once have I seen him stoop to their levels. I for one would like to know why this happened and is anyone else treated like this? I hope there are no agendas or favortism on this board. Punish the ones who do wrong or steal, and not the hard workers. There's my rant and I know I'm not important enough to be responded to and don't expect it. Again thanks for placing his great work back on this forum
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Why were they deleted?
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What's going on?
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It would appear that on XDA stealing is OK but calling people out for stealing is cause for removal of your work. TDJ wouldn't have been the first one to have his work or RD status removed, have you ever wondered about posters who have a very low post/thanks count yet have a intimate knowledge of XDA and the topics on which they are posting? They are the biggest game in town so they kind of have us but they aren't the only one.
I am in no way speaking for TDJ, my words are my own. Ban me if you wish, it wouldn't surprise me.

xUnreachablex said:
It would appear that on XDA stealing is OK but calling people out for stealing is cause for removal of your work. TDJ wouldn't have been the first one to have his work or RD status removed, have you ever wondered about posters who have a very low post/thanks count yet have a intimate knowledge of XDA and the topics on which they are posting? They are the biggest game in town so they kind of have us but they aren't the only one.
I am in no way speaking for TDJ, my words are my own. Ban me if you wish, it wouldn't surprise me.
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I totally agree. Who stole his rom?
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xUnreachablex said:
It would appear that on XDA stealing is OK but calling people out for stealing is cause for removal of your work. TDJ wouldn't have been the first one to have his work or RD status removed, have you ever wondered about posters who have a very low post/thanks count yet have a intimate knowledge of XDA and the topics on which they are posting? They are the biggest game in town so they kind of have us but they aren't the only one.
I am in no way speaking for TDJ, my words are my own. Ban me if you wish, it wouldn't surprise me.
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Unfortunately there is a reason people move their work to Rootzwiki and don't deal with XDA. I make no preference on any side of any matter. I know TDJ called out a so called Dev for using his work for their ROM and they seemingly did nothing before posting but not sure what other drama came out from that. I don't think anyone here would doubt TDJ's dev abilities and if the mods keep their actions of punishing the real devs and not the kangers then XDA will become a ghost town i predict.

The people who suffer most are the end users, Devs don't have to do this and put their work here they are doing XDA a favor by doing so, it seems XDA needs a Mod overhaul . This has been the most pathetic excuse for a development section in any forum that I have ever been in and its not the DEVS 8 out of 10 times.

Is TDJ gone? Dam u xda you just keep running good devs out of here!!
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It's probably best if all disputes are handled through the mods or PM. Starting a war in any devs thread is frowned upon and you know how loyal crackflashers can be. You call a dev out and the people who enjoy their work are going to rage. This is just my view on what happened.
I would have done it the same way TDJ did so I understand why it went down like it did. I'm very glad he's sticking around, he's a huge asset to our community.
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Thank you for restoring TDJ's threads... and also thank you to TDJ for all of your hard work in creating some of the best ROMS on XDA. Without TDJ's work I can safely say that I wouldn't even be posting on XDA right now... keep up the great job.
And thanks again for BETA 07... I would post in the relevant thread but I don't have permissions to do so yet

:-/ XDA has made me sad as of late.....
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FOREVER RUNNING DARKSIDE!

Becoming a ROM Developer?

I've wanted to create my own ROMs for a while since I had my old Evo but didn't get around to it. I know that the easiest and most common way for newbies is through the Android Kitchen but I've read that the kitchen is meant mostly for HTC phones and the initial list that I saw here on XDA (updated in Summer 2012) does not include our Galaxy SIII. It does include almost all of the other Galaxy models. I also read something about YAFFS having something to do with the kitchen too, that most high-end devices don't include this which is a reason why the program doesn't support our devices.
Anyway, I have read that there is a possibility that it was supported or there was a file that I could use for it. So I was wondering if this was a method through Android Kitchen or another way of creating a custom ROM.

Do some research on "Aroma Installer". Also, pm a developer of a rom that you find stable. Ask them if you can use their rom as a base. That is a great place to start. Even before you ask, just download a rom. You can load it on your device, modify it on your phone, and zip it up. Just do not post it for anyone else's use without asking the developer. If you don't want to use another developers work, start with stock as your base. I strongly recommend that you start there, gain some knowledge, do a ton of reading, and report back after. For the most part, developers are very friendly and willing to help. However, they don't want to teach you the basics or the lingo. I build my own roms, just for me. If you have any questions, feel free to ask.
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mnhertz26 said:
Do some research on "Aroma Installer". Also, pm a developer of a rom that you find stable. Ask them if you can use their rom as a base. That is a great place to start. Even before you ask, just download a rom. You can load it on your device, modify it on your phone, and zip it up. Just do not post it for anyone else's use without asking the developer. If you don't want to use another developers work, start with stock as your base. I strongly recommend that you start there, gain some knowledge, do a ton of reading, and report back after. For the most part, developers are very friendly and willing to help. However, they don't want to teach you the basics or the lingo. I build my own roms, just for me. If you have any questions, feel free to ask.
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Thank you very much for the helpful post! I kind of figured it was just modifying existing ROMs. But I'll check out that Aroma Installer and see what I come up with.

ndh777 said:
Thank you very much for the helpful post! I kind of figured it was just modifying existing ROMs. But I'll check out that Aroma Installer and see what I come up with.
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Well alot of the times people join a team and get taught the ways of making a rom!!!!!! Im going to be doing a team memeber Search soon. alot of Team rejectz memebers are still in SGS2 section and we need some over in this thread

That's something I thought about doing lately. I've been flashing roms for years but never attempted to build a rom. Maybe time to do some research!
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lorjay589 said:
Well alot of the times people join a team and get taught the ways of making a rom!!!!!! Im going to be doing a team memeber Search soon. alot of Team rejectz memebers are still in SGS2 section and we need some over in this thread
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I actually have an idea for you guys. If you want my help, I'm willing. Create an amazing stable rom, and create themes for the most popular NFL teams. Then, package it as the NFL lovers rom and include nfl apps and game watching tools. That's a big market.
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lorjay589 said:
Well alot of the times people join a team and get taught the ways of making a rom!!!!!! Im going to be doing a team memeber Search soon. alot of Team rejectz memebers are still in SGS2 section and we need some over in this thread
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I would love to learn! I'm eager to! pm me.
Devices:
Samsung Galaxy S3
Asus Transformer
Motorola DroidX
Motorola Droid Bionic
Motorola Droid 1
Motorola Cliq
Please Visit www.teendroid.com

I think part of being a developer is knowing what forum section to ask a questions. LOL.. Just saying

mnhertz26 said:
I actually have an idea for you guys. If you want my help, I'm willing. Create an amazing stable rom, and create themes for the most popular NFL teams. Then, package it as the NFL lovers rom and include nfl apps and game watching tools. That's a big market.
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Lol thats what i was doing for football season Ugh lol you let the cat out of the bag. I have a rom out Called "The Ultimate Rom" which will change with the seasons. But for Thanksgiving I was going to drop an Update called the "Turkey Bowl", Where Im dropping Icons, and colors to match your fav team

Read forumn rules and stickies before posting
Questions go in Q&A
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FNM

I apologize for posting in the wrong forum. I'll make sure to read the rules more carefully before posting next time.

lorjay589 said:
Well alot of the times people join a team and get taught the ways of making a rom!!!!!! Im going to be doing a team memeber Search soon. alot of Team rejectz memebers are still in SGS2 section and we need some over in this thread
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I've seen these teams across various communities and scenes but I'm curious in what sorts of ways do each member in team contribute to the overall project? Is it like a construction site where you have a welder, crane operator, etc. where each person does a different job or is it something different?
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I actually have an idea for you guys. If you want my help, I'm willing. Create an amazing stable rom, and create themes for the most popular NFL teams. Then, package it as the NFL lovers rom and include nfl apps and game watching tools. That's a big market.
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That sounds easy enough. Thank you!

ndh777 said:
I've seen these teams across various communities and scenes but I'm curious in what sorts of ways do each member in team contribute to the overall project? Is it like a construction site where you have a welder, crane operator, etc. where each person does a different job or is it something different?
well i look at it like this, Im the founder of Team Rejectz but this isn't a pyramid or some type of dictatorship, nor will you be judged for being new. we're more like family and all though some of us have our own projects we still look out for each other and teach each other what ever we learn or know. Its always good to know that if you ever need help with something, there's a teammate a text a way or call, to help you out and make sure your getting the right info and not some imitation developing.
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Why no cm10

Hey. Wondering why cymod10 isn't getting work on it? Just curious how this all works. Thanks.
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source keeps on updating daily...
Once that is stable ul get full working cm10
patience bro
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Wut???
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So there is a group or team that develops the rom(aokp, cm10), and when they put new builds out individuals pick then up and do the writing necessary to run a partocular device?
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there's no "groups or teams" we BUILD CM10\AOKP\PA all from source i work on Base rom's which is CM9\CM10\AOSP when the CM* rom's get stable enough i pass them to maxwen and he finishes them off, which gives me free time to de-stress and spend time with girlfriend and work on other projects.
for CDMA JMZtaylor builds the Base rom's which are CM9\CM10
we work together......seeing threads like this drives me up the wall

Why would it drive you up a wall? Because I'm ignorant of what y'all do? I wish i could apologize for wanting to understand (sarcasm, mind you).
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manymarius73 said:
Why would it drive you up a wall? Because I'm ignorant of what y'all do? I wish i could apologize for wanting to understand (sarcasm, mind you).
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Dude,
XDA is NOT a support site of any kind.
It is a forum for developers, yes it has grown massivley over the years, but in general most folks on here are at least kinda techie, geeky, or both. There are also many users who just want to download cool stuff. There is nothing wrong with that but devs get annoyed when "users" don't want to take the time to learn forum rules, read, or do a bit of research.
Every dev on here is a volunteer, they do what they do because they enjoy it, and like being involved in a community of like minded folk who know the devices we spend our cold hard cash on are usually capable of much more than manufacturers like to release. Yes, there are "teams" large and small but they do not get paid for this, work under deadlines, or are expected to provide any support.
I don't mean to sound too cold, but with a little reading and research you could have found out all you needed to know about the CM team, AOKP, etc AND read in Lior's dev thread that his build is UNOFFICIAL meaning not an officially supported device by the actual aokp team. Even if it were an officially supported device that would not mean timetables, support, or warranty. Seriously, do a little research.
And understand, when you joined in August what number were you? Did you watch the "you are a noob" video, I made my son watch that when he joined. There are LOTS of new people here who demand, are rude etc. I am not saying that you are necasarily one of them, but when each device can count the number of devs on two hands or less, compared to the number of registered XDA users and you can see how a dev like Lior could get upset at your lack of wanting to read.
In the future, until you have contributed to this forum please refrain from even using sarcasm with a respected dev. Read, learn, and I hope you enjoy XDA, but remeber it is a developer forum, not a noob support site.
Regards.
Edit: ahhhh, just realized I kept typing Lior, and not Lloir, my apologies Dude.
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This has gone about as far as it needs to.

roms from source w/no support

Well as the title says I will be compiling a few roms from source but there will be no support for them from either me or the rom developers. There may be issue or there may not. All roms will be tested and will boot and have the core function working (call and mms) or I wont post them.

First rom here will be nameless rom. I have it compiled and working. I will upload it later and post it here.

Hey, that's great that you want to compile and contribute. But please do not post any untested builds and especially none in development if there is not going to be any support.
Thanks
FNSM

I can only speak for myself but I am thrilled to see this if they don't work I will delete it and restore a backup. Please keep the roms coming.
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KennyG123 said:
Hey, that's great that you want to compile and contribute. But please do not post any untested builds and especially none in development if there is not going to be any support.
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@KennyG123
Man can you not read? Or maybe you are just trying to be funny aka TROLL? It is clearly stated that they are tested. Also it says they will be posted here in general not development! You act like I am some stupid arse who might post some junk that could be harmful to someone's device. I compile and support many roms here on xda. People/users request many more than I have time to support so I decided to go this route to satisfy their request.
While I dont know who you are and dont really care. You act like you are some all powerful person when in fact you just have "big fish in little pond syndrome". If you dont like what I am doing then go on your way and keep your mouth shut.
Sorry everyone else for the rant these fools just annoy me. Been running nameless and it has not given me any issues. Enjoy. Look for more roms very soon.
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@KennyG123
Man can you not read? Or maybe you are just trying to be funny aka TROLL? It is clearly stated that they are tested. Also it says they will be posted here in general not development! You act like I am some stupid arse who might post some junk that could be harmful to someone's device. I compile and support many roms here on xda. People/users request many more than I have time to support so I decided to go this route to satisfy their request.
While I dont know who you are and dont really care. You act like you are some all powerful person when in fact you just have "big fish in little pond syndrome". If you dont like what I am doing then go on your way and keep your mouth shut.
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Sorry everyone else for the rant these fools just annoy me. Been running nameless and it has not given me any issues. Enjoy. Look for more roms very soon.
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Sir. It seems you are the one that cannot read and Note your post violates several rules. You need to watch your mouth. A simple "don't worry, they will be thoroughly tested would have sufficed. So stow the attitude tough guy.
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KennyG123 said:
Sir. It seems you are the one that cannot read and Note your post violates several rules. You need to watch your mouth. A simple "don't worry, they will be thoroughly tested would have sufficed. So stow the attitude tough guy.
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@KennyG123 the senior mod
If you want attitude I can give you plenty. Kiss off. Read my first post that says they will be tested!!! I could care less if your a mod or not. You were out of place and called on it. Sorry it hurt you feelings but it is what it is.
In what post do I violate any rules?
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If you have an issue with any moderator actions on this site I suggest you deal with it privately
There are rules for member conduct and disrespect to anyone on this site will not be tolerated
A shame the OP did not read my post...I asked not to post any untested builds meaning in the future
I did not imply that any of these builds were untested. Instead the OP chose the low road instead of coming to me in private to discuss and clarify.