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what does a kernel actually do for your phone?

I see people using different kernels with different roms. Why so many kernels and whats their use?

Kernels basically run the back end of your phone. A lot of people make different/ update the kernels because they find a different way to improve battery life and make the phone run smoother and faster. Also, SBC kernels implement trickle charging which makes it so your phone is at or near a 100% when you take it off the charger

This question belongs in the Q&A section, not in the development section.

it posts in the correct section for starters....or does some research as this question has been asked a million times already

Looks like XDA needs to make a 20 post min now.

This is going to by my new trademark...
ROM Development - only meant for very advanced technical discussion directly related to ROM development activity and the delivery of actual ROMs and ROM components ONLY. Nothing else goes in here.
Oh, and please post your new kernel that you must be developing. I must have missed that somewhere in the OP.

-viperboy- said:
This is going to by my new trademark...
ROM Development - only meant for very advanced technical discussion directly related to ROM development activity and the delivery of actual ROMs and ROM components ONLY. Nothing else goes in here.
Oh, and please post your new kernel that you must be developing. I must have missed that somewhere in the OP.
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Better late than never, I suppose Quoting because I like Big Red chewing gum.

Wow. Thanks for the awesome feedback. You guys must be King at your lunch tables huh? Sorry for cramping your style. Though, I didnt know smug and condescending had a style. I asked a simple question and a bumch of hack elitist get butthurt over a thread in the wrong topic section. Wow.

bostonsbrash2 said:
Wow. Thanks for the awesome feedback. You guys must be King at your lunch tables huh? Sorry for cramping your style. Though, I didn't know smug and condescending had a style. I asked a simple question and a bumch of hack elitist get butthurt over a thread in the wrong topic section. Wow.
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This made me LMAO!!! All that had to be said was, "Hey this is the wrong section, do a search in the Q&A forum and if you can't find it let people know you aren't having any luck with searching and someone should be able to point you in the right direction." Instead you get "**** OFF FNG!!!!" Good reason to stay apart of XDA huh. But of course everyone is a hard ass on the internet, duh.

bostonsbrash2 said:
Wow. Thanks for the awesome feedback. You guys must be King at your lunch tables huh? Sorry for cramping your style. Though, I didnt know smug and condescending had a style. I asked a simple question and a bumch of hack elitist get butthurt over a thread in the wrong topic section. Wow.
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There are many forum police. You can either abide by their law or be stoned.

bostonsbrash2 said:
Wow. Thanks for the awesome feedback. You guys must be King at your lunch tables huh? Sorry for cramping your style. Though, I didnt know smug and condescending had a style. I asked a simple question and a bumch of hack elitist get butthurt over a thread in the wrong topic section. Wow.
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Wow, you got us. To stick with your lunch table metaphor, imagine this subforum as a lunch table in a cafeteria. You and your friends are enjoying a nice conversation when out of nowhere 500 people run to your table and start vomiting all over it.
This subforum is set up so that they don't need to sticky legitimate development threads. Instead, they created other subforums for questions like these.
Yeah, it looks kind of bad when ten people run in going "wrong forum! wrong forum!," but they're trying to help in whatever way they can since this forum doesn't have a downvoting system.

theoottesen said:
This made me LMAO!!! All that had to be said was, "Hey this is the wrong section, do a search in the Q&A forum and if you can't find it let people know you aren't having any luck with searching and someone should be able to point you in the right direction." Instead you get "**** OFF FNG!!!!" Good reason to stay apart of XDA huh. But of course everyone is a hard ass on the internet, duh.
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Your skill in 'White Knight' increases by 0.3.
Level up! You are now 'White Knight' Level 02.

One more reason people dont come to XDA anymore..... good job the the seasoned "grumps" who at one point asked questions as well. You guys have forgotten what the forums are all about and why your here.... FAIL.

Nutzy said:
One more reason people dont come to XDA anymore..... good job the the seasoned "grumps" who at one point asked questions as well. You guys have forgotten what the forums are all about and why your here.... FAIL.
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Rule number 1
1. Search before posting.
Use one of our search functions before posting, whether you have a question or something new to share, it's very likely someone already asked that question or shared that news.

agreed.. way to contribute to xda.. bash new users who will probably never come back, job well done.
there's ALWAYS new thread's by someone that doesnt search, whether new to forums in general or just didnt take the time to search.. steer them in the right direction rather than away from the forums...

klubhead said:
agreed.. way to contribute to xda.. bash new users who will probably never come back, job well done.
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well if he had to ask what a kernel is and what it does then at least we know if he doesn't come back the Development section won't be losing a great asset lol

theoottesen said:
This made me LMAO!!! All that had to be said was, "Hey this is the wrong section, do a search in the Q&A forum and if you can't find it let people know you aren't having any luck with searching and someone should be able to point you in the right direction." Instead you get "**** OFF FNG!!!!" Good reason to stay apart of XDA huh. But of course everyone is a hard ass on the internet, duh.
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This is my theory... maybe this will scare and annoy people enough that they will actually think twice and possibly search before posting in the wrong section. They should be scared to come in here and start a thread about a non-development topic.
Saturn2K said:
Wow, you got us. To stick with your lunch table metaphor, imagine this subforum as a lunch table in a cafeteria. You and your friends are enjoying a nice conversation when out of nowhere 500 people run to your table and start vomiting all over it.
This subforum is set up so that they don't need to sticky legitimate development threads. Instead, they created other subforums for questions like these.
Yeah, it looks kind of bad when ten people run in going "wrong forum! wrong forum!," but they're trying to help in whatever way they can since this forum doesn't have a downvoting system.
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LMAO!!! +609783469078409 on this post, sir!
Comrade P said:
Rule number 1
1. Search before posting.
Use one of our search functions before posting, whether you have a question or something new to share, it's very likely someone already asked that question or shared that news.
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QFT
klubhead said:
agreed.. way to contribute to xda.. bash new users who will probably never come back, job well done.
there's ALWAYS new thread's by someone that doesnt search, whether new to forums in general or just didnt take the time to search.. steer them in the right direction rather than away from the forums...
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My post actually clarified what this section was for. I think it should be clear enough where NOT to post topics like this. I think it was helpful
deathsled said:
well if he had to ask what a kernel is and what it does then at least we know if he doesn't come back the Development section won't be losing a great asset lol
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Exactly.

klubhead said:
agreed.. way to contribute to xda.. bash new users who will probably never come back, job well done.
there's ALWAYS new thread's by someone that doesnt search, whether new to forums in general or just didnt take the time to search.. steer them in the right direction rather than away from the forums...
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Spoken like a true White Knight. +1 to your Divine powers.

jeebuz.....
Way off topic, lock the thread already...

If it were one person, people probably wouldn't jump all over you, but its multiple threads daily, so people are a little less patient.
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Request about the mod date in the dev section...

May sound a little odd coming from a newbie like myself... but I see a lot of threads posted in the development section where the OP date for the rom update is not updated... LOL if that makes sense.
Take this for instance....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1621678
It says 6/14 in the title, but it appears that it was updated last night? How come the main thread title does not get updated? Just wondering.. I seen other threads like this too, and it makes it a little inconvenient to check each thread independantally to see which one was really updated, and which one was not.
Thanks!

That was the alpha CM9 rom created by Team Chopsticks (last updated 6/14). They are now official maintainers for the CM9 Nightlies which can be found on the CM site. The OP hasn't been updated because that was their last build and the thread is more or less just used to discuss the latest nightlies.

really this again!
Trololol

ssmr2t said:
May sound a little odd coming from a newbie like myself... but I see a lot of threads posted in the development section where the OP date for the rom update is not updated... LOL if that makes sense.
Take this for instance....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1621678
It says 6/14 in the title, but it appears that it was updated last night? How come the main thread title does not get updated? Just wondering.. I seen other threads like this too, and it makes it a little inconvenient to check each thread independantally to see which one was really updated, and which one was not.
Thanks!
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Hes right. Can the mods delete those threads or start handing out violations or some type of demerit to the devs

People should be reading the threads anyway.

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People should be reading the threads anyway.
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in all fairness some of those threads are pretty long to actually go and read through the whole thing

They only post their releases in the title of the thread. Nightlies aren't considered to be releases. XDA is a development forum, hence the long threads about DEVELOPMENT. :good:

Absolutely ridiculous. Read the damn thread. These guys are making you free software at the expense of countless hours of work, and you gripe about a release date in the OP when its a NIGHTLY that your whining about? Nightly- meaning every night. Figure it out
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In my defense, I would like to point out the Miui thread.. That is not a nightly... its more or less a weekly, yet the date still remains as 5/27.
I understand the "development forum is for development purpose only and we should read the threads"... but really? Have you read through half of those posts? Like 5700000 pages of "Thanks" and "10Char"... not trying to be rude, just saying.. it would be helpful.
Yesterday 02:39 PM
eugene373 really this again!
Trololol
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Why would you say that? Im not trolling dude, im just voicing an opinion. Furthermore, I never intended to disrespect you when I said "File a complaint form"... I dont know why you took it in a harsh way especially considering I put
a face afterwards.. I would think that you understand its a joke... again, I apologize for disrespecting you if you felt that way.

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in all fairness some of those threads are pretty long to actually go and read through the whole thing
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Yeah totally true.
Can someone make a call to Mark Twain in the afterlife and any writer that writes anything longer than a twit and tell him that Huckleberry Finn should be in a twitter compliant length. Can we just get a color coded system in the dev threads. where we have green for "go and flash" and red for no go.Why should we be expected to read anything at all, we need a color coded system

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In my defense, I would like to point out the Miui thread.. That is not a nightly... its more or less a weekly, yet the date still remains as 5/27.
I understand the "development forum is for development purpose only and we should read the threads"... but really? Have you read through half of those posts? Like 5700000 pages of "Thanks" and "10Char"... not trying to be rude, just saying.. it would be helpful.
Why would you say that? Im not trolling dude, im just voicing an opinion. Furthermore, I never intended to disrespect you when I said "File a complaint form"... I dont know why you took it in a harsh way especially considering I put
a face afterwards.. I would think that you understand its a joke... again, I apologize for disrespecting you if you felt that way.
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lol easy now... that Trololol was for me Trolling, nothing more.... "File a Complaint forum" that wasn't me that got mad...
further more, all I was saying in retro spec was we already had one of these threads posted...
Nothing more :laugh::victory::highfive:
~Eugene

jim93 said:
Can we just get a color coded system in the dev threads. where we have green for "go and flash" and red for no go.Why should we be expected to read anything at all, we need a color coded system
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Because--and this is not an attack--:
Every user has different needs, and every developer has different taste. Before users go and rant about something, they should read (!) the posts in question and make their own decision based on judgment. Not on a simple color.
Reading is informative, and considering you are flashing firmware on a $200+ device I wouldn't find it wise to just blindly flash a ROM based on a color code.
Some ROMs have specific parameters and information that the developers intend users to read before using said download.
There are questions, and then there are questions that are asked a thousand times that clutter threads for no meaningful reason--especially questions that the OP already answered in the first post. We may not always have the time to update the original post for everyone. But Samsung and T-Mobile don't even have time to make a proper update for us so the trade off for whom you want support from is your choice.
Because reading is good for the mind, and it's good to know what you're doing before you do it :good:
I do agree some threads are obnoxiously long.
But if everyone closely reads a thread at its early stages, it'll stunt unnecessary growth.

yaldak said:
Because--and this is not an attack--:
Every user has different needs, and every developer has different taste. Before users go and rant about something, they should read (!) the posts in question and make their own decision based on judgment. Not on a simple color.
Reading is informative, and considering you are flashing firmware on a $200+ device I wouldn't find it wise to just blindly flash a ROM based on a color code.
Some ROMs have specific parameters and information that the developers intend users to read before using said download.
There are questions, and then there are questions that are asked a thousand times that clutter threads for no meaningful reason--especially questions that the OP already answered in the first post. We may not always have the time to update the original post for everyone. But Samsung and T-Mobile don't even have time to make a proper update for us so the trade off for whom you want support from is your choice.
Because reading is good for the mind, and it's good to know what you're doing before you do it :good:
I do agree some threads are obnoxiously long.
But if everyone closely reads a thread at its early stages, it'll stunt unnecessary growth.
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I was being sarcastic but it is sad that people are so demanding of devs that it could be seen as possibly a serious comment.
Your list is a good run down of reasons to read. When did we get to the point that reading more than a single paragraph is torture?
If you are about to do something to a 300+ dollar device. read a bit.

I think there's an app that will read through the entire thread and find what your looking for.... oh wait, that's what the search button does.... my bad, nevermind.

Lazy ass go through last page of thread and you will know whats going on thread. If you can't search such small thing ; go to some crazy guy from craiglist to put ROM on ur phone paying him $$.
Nobody is here to serve you meal.
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jim93 said:
I was being sarcastic but it is sad that people are so demanding of devs that it could be seen as possibly a serious comment.
Your list is a good run down of reasons to read. When did we get to the point that reading more than a single paragraph is torture?
If you are about to do something to a 300+ dollar device. read a bit.
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I blame twitter, and to the OP, are you referring to the bottom of the page where it says last updated?
Sent from AOKP Goodness :-D

Its really not to much of an issue here. But other devices have had it bad with thread flooding.
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Please Make a Poll about ROMS, and let people vote..

I am not a pro user of these forums, but I would like someone, especially the Mods to make a thread about most popular roms of DHD and let people vote.. It would give one an idea of what rom is trending and what is the most widely used.. Sure would help ignite the competition too ..
If any such thread already exists on this forum, please tell me...

You can do it yourself...and you might be the first one to do so (i havent searched to see if there is one out there already...)

It is not done do the fact we are all tired of hearing the same question over and over again what's the best rom what's a solid stable rom and they all get closed. Each rom works different for everyone. What's good to one is utter crap to another and your topic will only start a flaming war hence the reason why such threads are closed. Only you can tell what's good for you by trying a few out or reading comments on the devs threads. Hmm I think I hear zels footsteps.
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Reinaldo33897 said:
It is not done do the fact we are all tired of hearing the same question over and over again what's the best rom what's a solid stable rom and they all get closed. Each rom works different for everyone. What's good to one is utter crap to another and your topic will only start a flaming war hence the reason why such threads are closed. Only you can tell what's good for you by trying a few out or reading comments on the devs threads. Hmm I think I hear zels footsteps.
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Might be nice to centralize it though. No comments, just a pure poll. (Not sure if there's a way to do that.) It might cut down on the one-post immediately-closed "which is the best ROM" threads.

A poll with no comments may work.
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Well there is something similar. Its not a poll.. but it gives a pretty decent breakdown on the roms currently available broken down into categories Jellybean, ICS, GB etc. It might help out?
>>> Development List <<<

fallenkirmit said:
Well there is something similar. Its not a poll.. but it gives a pretty decent breakdown on the roms currently available broken down into categories Jellybean, ICS, GB etc. It might help out?
>>> Development List <<<
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Yeah, I know about that, but I see a lot of threads opened that basically ask "I'm new, what is the most popular/best/favorite ROM?" The index gives a good list of available ROMs, but it doesn't shed a lot of light on how many people use each one, which seems to be what newbies would like to know (to help them decide which to install). Maybe a poll would cut down on such threads. I've PMed a mod to see if such a poll would be well-received.

salman1497 said:
I am not a pro user of these forums, but I would like someone, especially the Mods to make a thread about most popular roms of DHD and let people vote.. It would give one an idea of what rom is trending and what is the most widely used.. Sure would help ignite the competition too ..
If any such thread already exists on this forum, please tell me...
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I completely disagree, bcoz u can't compare all the efforts of devs. Every single piece of their work is truly admirable. Whatever they have done is absolutely priceless.
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I didn't mean that devs work isn't priceless, of course that is commendable!! And its not strict comparing either.. I just meant that one should have idea about new trending romS and also how many people are using which rom.... I know one rom may be excellent for someone and crap for another, have probably flashed more than 100 roms myself. I am just taking about the current trend of roms
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I agree with a poll with no comments, just a simple poll with rom names allowing members to state what they are using, we don't need to know their reasons why.
One thing I don't always understand is people read threads, see what features the rom has but still want other people to tell them.... Just install it and have a look yourself! Most common case I've seen is in the Sabsa Prime thread as it's what I use, people ask for updates and then when one comes along, they ask people to try it out and report back if it's worth updating. Grrrrr!! It's your phone, you want the updates so try it out and see if it suits YOU. Simples.
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I see a lot of talk, but no one stepping in to start a poll? You guys do realize anyone can start poll as a part of the thread!!

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I see a lot of talk, but no one stepping in to start a poll? You guys do realize anyone can start poll as a part of the thread!!
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I have PMed the mods (since they would need to lock comments) a couple times. No response yet.

The mods say that locking a thread while leaving the poll open is not possible.

bananagranola said:
The mods say that locking a thread while leaving the poll open is not possible.
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I saw your PM yesterday and had been giving it some thought. It looks like my co-moderator has contacted you already and let you know that the system will lock the poll as part of closing thread. Even if it was possible to separate the two, I'd be inclined to close down polls like the one you suggest. While some of you might think a poll like this a good idea, it smells a bit too much like a popularity contest.
Some of you may already know that many moderators in other forums have a wholesale ban on "Best ROM" threads. This is because a lot of these threads tend to be a breeding ground for rivalries and disrespecting others' work that can degenerate into infighting and other nastiness. I don't want to be heavy-handed on this topic because I see some benefit to discussions that compare/contrast ROMs and kernels IF they are done objectively and with respect for others. The last part of this is the most important here.
You might have already seen comments that say, "there is no best, try it and see what you like" and that's true. We all have different needs and likes, so there can be no best, but some sharing of knowledge and experiences with various ROMs can be helpful to others. Again, all of this needs to be done objectively and with respect for others. There's already a thread in General with many opinions and nobody's been really causing any trouble there, so I suggest all of you continue those discussions there. Please... no "best" polls.
I'm sorry to threadjack this from the OP, but since the idea has been shot down, I welcome your thoughts on the matter. If you don't want to air it out publicly, my PM box is always open.

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Thanks for explaining. I just thought that a more centralized and easy-to-read format would help newbies who are confused when they first see that (seemingly endless) list of ROM threads that is so appealing to those of us who've been around a little longer. But I respect your position and it makes sense. Also, without the comment-locked-forum option, I agree that these types of threads do tend to degenerate.

poll

Best rom for this phone

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Best rom for this phone
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No, no, you surely mean the best accesoire for the wildfire if you post it in this forum.
Please first LEARN which SUBFORUM is the right one for your question!
THEN learn how to SEARCH (there's a pretty nice little box at the top of each page where you can search for whatever you want)
there are so many threads like that in the General and in the Q&A forum.

miniAndroidian said:
No, no, you surely mean the best accesoire for the wildfire if you post it in this forum.
Please first LEARN which SUBFORUM is the right one for your question!
THEN learn how to SEARCH (there's a pretty nice little box at the top of each page where you can search for whatever you want)
there are so many threads like that in the General and in the Q&A forum.
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Not to mention these threads are mostly useless, because "best" is a very subjective term when you're taking about ROMs, because everyone has a different opinion. That's why threads like this one get locked in the Galaxy Nexus forum.
But here's my personal opinion. My favorite ROM is RemPuzzle, because I just love the smoothness of 2.2 Sense compared to something like 4.0 CM9.

in before the lock

I thought everyone knew by now, "Best Rom" or "Rom comparison" type threads aren't allowed on XDA?
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[Q] Battery saver rom?

Which is the best battery saver SENSE rom for you?
I know the uptime is personally.
But I need some ideas which rom would i try
Regards,

you will have to read the threads and try the roms yourself I'm afraid, as comparison are not allowed

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you will have to read the threads and try the roms yourself I'm afraid, as comparison are not allowed
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it's not comparison, it's a question. Which rom is a best for battery saving for the users.
Just a simple poll

Comparing roms or questions such as 'which is best' are not allowed on xda...
Try a few roms from the development section and settle on the one which suits you the best!
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Comparing roms or questions such as 'which is best' are not allowed on xda...
Try a few roms from the development section and settle on the one which suits you the best!
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LOL?
As i said it's not comparing..
I just want to know which one rom is prefered..

Sensitivity said:
LOL?
As i said it's not comparing..
I just want to know which one rom is prefered..
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of course it is comparing, it doesn't matter if you say prefer or poll or vote or whatever other words you want to use or even if it is someone else's opinion, it is still comparing, you want to know which rom is best for battery compared to other roms. the developers make this stuff free of charge and no one wants to pit one against the other.
And people that reply to you are just trying to help, we don't make the rules we are just informing you of them as it is futile asking something that you are never going to get an answer for on XDA.

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of course it is comparing, it doesn't matter if you say prefer or poll or vote or whatever other words you want to use or even if it is someone else's opinion, it is still comparing, you want to know which rom is best for battery compared to other roms. the developers make this stuff free of charge and no one wants to pit one against the other.
And people that reply to you are just trying to help, we don't make the rules we are just informing you of them as it is futile asking something that you are never going to get an answer for on XDA.
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I think I'm an older XDA member than you, and i swear i tried more devices than you. And always got my answer..
I do not compera anything to anything..
I just wan't to know who using which rom.. -.-
It's a simple question.. which rom you use?.. not compaered anything.. what a missunderstandig people stayed in hox thread..

Sensitivity said:
I think I'm an older XDA member than you, and i swear i tried more devices than you. And always got my answer..
I do not compera anything to anything..
I just wan't to know who using which rom.. -.-
It's a simple question.. which rom you use?.. not compaered anything.. what a missunderstandig people stayed in hox thread..
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Misundertandings happen, dont be provocative by saying im an older xda member, i tried more devices than you ! That's completely useless. I can go on and on about this.
Kiss and make up is my idea. Let it rest and let a mod decide.
And don't say someting weird about people staying in hox threads. If that is so i find it very contradicted that you are here asking a question.
But to answer your question : I use the viper x rom.
Cheers and take it easy guys

Look mate, I don't give a monkeys chuff who is the longest user of XDA or how many ROMs you flashed. Your original question was " which is the best battery saver rom for you". It doesn't matter if you are asking for yourself or someone else, it IS comparing. I'll report the thread and see what the mods think of it then that's final
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