First of all, please accept my apologies if this has been in some way answered before. I did a search as far back as early 2011 but could not find a satisfactory response hence my posting here.
I have a PVT1 Desire with HBOOT 0.80.0000, 5.14.05.17 Radio and S-ON. The phone is rooted with Amon-RA recovery and currently happily running JB. All is working well and I am conscious of the fact that should I decide to update the HBOOT and Radio to the latest version, I would have to start from scratch in terms of rooting etc. but as the phone is currently working just fine, I would appreciate people's opinion if there are any real benefits in upgrading.
Many thanks in advance.
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I really don't know or understand what you're waiting for. Why not s-off? It's so simple using revolutionary.
If you have a s-off, "rooting" is just flashing superuser from recovery. Not a complicated process at all.
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abaaaabbbb63 said:
I really don't know or understand what you're waiting for. Why not s-off? It's so simple using revolutionary.
If you have a s-off, "rooting" is just flashing superuser from recovery. Not a complicated process at all.
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except his hboot is 0.80
revolutionary needs 0.93.001 or 1.02.0001 to work
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Then his only option is to use unrevoked?
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Just to clarify, I have no issues with upgrading and then rooting from scratch but, as my understanding is, that would involve going back to the official GB rom (to upgrade the HBOOT) and then doing all else, I was just wondering if it worth the hassle i.e. whether upgrading HBOOT and the Radio files brings any tangible benefits.
Many thanks for your responses.
fraxos said:
Just to clarify, I have no issues with upgrading and then rooting from scratch but, as my understanding is, that would involve going back to the official GB rom (to upgrade the HBOOT) and then doing all else, I was just wondering if it worth the hassle i.e. whether upgrading HBOOT and the Radio files brings any tangible benefits.
Many thanks for your responses.
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alot of roms these days do recommend the latest radio and the advantage of s-off is that u can change hboots for more space. if u click the all things root guide in my sig i think ul get pretty much all the info u need there.
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Many thanks for all the suggestions.
I have now updated to the latest Radio but still not sure about HBOOT and S-OFF. Since I am using JB which requires stock HBOOT, there is little advantage to S-OFF for me? Also, is there a quick way to upgrade just the HBOOT without having to install the offiicial HTC GB rom?
i wouldnt recommend upgrading RADIO ! had so many issues with different roms the last year after upgrading to the latest radio. Now I am back to the latest official radio that was delivered in Europe (5.11.05.27) and having no issues since then with ICS or any other roms.
I have the impression that some issues revolve from the newer 5.17.xx.xx radios being incompatible with some roms.
fraxos said:
I have a PVT1 Desire with HBOOT 0.80.0000, 5.14.05.17 Radio and S-ON. The phone is rooted with Amon-RA recovery and currently happily running JB. All is working well and I am conscious of the fact that should I decide to update the HBOOT and Radio to the latest version, I would have to start from scratch in terms of rooting etc. but as the phone is currently working just fine, I would appreciate people's opinion if there are any real benefits in upgrading..
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Why just not to install latest RUU - it automatically flashes new HBOOT and Radio.
About efforts - it's just allows to use modern ROMs.
May be a little improves quality, stability and battery time.
PS I haven't any issues with 5.17.05.27 radio
Dude... He got his answer. Stop reviving dead threads.
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So it seems as there is still some uncertainty in terms of updating to new hboot. Read some people lost root by doing so and read some were successful possibly due to having unrevoked forever installed. I updated to latest radio, wimax and nv already. Has anybody been able to downgrade the radio? I ask as it seems if downgrading is possible than unrevoked could be installed and then the hboot could be updated without losing root s-off. I appreciate any information and all your help.
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So it seems as there is still some uncertainty in terms of updating to new hboot. Read some people lost root by doing so and read some were successful possibly due to having unrevoked forever installed. I updated to latest radio, wimax and nv already. Has anybody been able to downgrade the radio? I ask as it seems if downgrading is possible than unrevoked could be installed and then the hboot could be updated without losing root s-off. I appreciate any information and all your help.
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Why would you want to upgrade the hboot?
Was reading a few threads that suggest we should. I believe calkulin posted saying that he would update the hboot if it weren't for the fact that he uses fastboot commands during his development. Page 110 of his thread.
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Why would you want to upgrade the hboot?
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From what I've seen the new hBoots are all backward compatible, and as long as you have already ran Unrevoked Forever you *should* keep S-OFF, but the new hBoot has been particularly stubborn when it comes to abiding by the S-OFF. The extended commands on the eng-hBoot may not be very useful to most people but they can be very handy if something goes wrong and you manage to fubar your phone. So as long as you retain S-OFF or a custom recovery you should be ok using the 2.02 hBoot but I would wait awhile to find out more about ver 2.10. Especially if you plan on upgrading your radio.
I have already upgraded radio, wimax and nv and I don't have unrevoked forever installed . My hboot is the original with fastboot commands.
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From what I've seen the new hBoots are all backward compatible, and as long as you have already ran Unrevoked Forever you *should* keep S-OFF, but the new hBoot has been particularly stubborn when it comes to abiding by the S-OFF. The extended commands on the eng-hBoot may not be very useful to most people but they can be very handy if something goes wrong and you manage to fubar your phone. So as long as you retain S-OFF or a custom recovery you should be ok using the 2.02 hBoot but I would wait awhile to find out more about ver 2.10. Especially if you plan on upgrading your radio.
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I have 0.79, and as long as everything else is working, I don't see why it should be necessary to upgrade. And now that I've already updated all my radio's with the latest combo pack, I'm apprehensive about doing it anyway.
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I have 0.79, and as long as everything else is working, I don't see why it should be necessary to upgrade. And now that I've already updated all my radio's with the latest combo pack, I'm apprehensive about doing it anyway.
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Same here except I think I'm at even a lower version... 0.76
What would the point be to upgrading hboot to 2.02? It's one thing I don't really understand all that well.
Anyone care to explain?
Hello everyone
Iam a bit nooby in android yet, but i've successfully done rooting + S-OFF already, flashed latest CM by using ROM manager+CMR, got latest RADIO and now...iam a bit frustrating
Should i update my HBOOT, which is 0.76.2000 (PC1010000)?
And how can i make it???
Thanks in advance.
There is absolutly no reason to update HBOOT. It won't give you any more features or better battery life. All it does is patch some exploits probably.
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Ok, thank u =)
But what is a proper way to upgrade ONLY hboot?
That guy was actually quite incorrect in his statement. The hboot you mentioned is the engineering hboot, it has additional functionality over the ship hboot that your phone came with, in particular, it allows you to to use FASTBOOT.
Ow, tnx.
So is it necessary to update or not?
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Ow, tnx.
So is it necessary to update or not?
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Not strictly necessary (I do not have the ENG HBOOT) but many guides more or less assume that you have it.
I would expect that if you are just going to be flashing custom ROMs that you should not need it, but if you are getting into more advanced hacking it will probably be required.
I have not updated to the ENG HBOOT for two main reasons.
1. When the wiki says that installing it is "OPTIONAL AND UNNECESSARY" I take it at it's word.
2. If you make any mistakes at all in flashing your HBOOT you can brick your device fairly easily (I view it as a small but unnecessary risk)
Thank u all guys)
The topic can be closed i think.
Hey everybody, I’m new to rooting so I have a couple of questions which I hope you'll help me figure out. I’m currently running a DZ with 2.2.1 build number 1.82 and I understand that the best rooting method is in the wiki?
Secondly, should I do the ota update to 2.3.x before I start, I guess it should also update the radio and hboot. Is it relevant at all, maybe it’s worth having a newer radio or hboot, or maybe the 2.3 rooting method is safer?
Also do I really need the eng-hboot, because it’s an optional procedure and if I do something wrong at that point I'm guessing I would brick the phone? I know that G2 users used to install the DZ hboot to run Sense ROMs and since I have a DZ maybe I don’t need it?
Last thing is the recovery. I noticed that some of you are using the 4ext recovery, but the guide says to install CWM. Maybe I can install 4ext or should I stick with CWM?
Oh and I think should copy/paste the ADB commands to avoid mistypes.
Sorry for the long post Any replies would be much appreciated. Thanks.
So you're running Froyo? If so, do not upgrade to 2.3!
What differs the ENG-HBOOT from the STOCK one is that ENG has more functions than the STOCK counterpart. In our case, an example is "FASTBOOT" which allows us to flash Kernels/ROM's. That could prove helpful from recovering from certain "bricks".
Also, 4EXT is the best recovery our phones can have right now. It has no issues, is faster and has a lot more functions when compared to CWM. For the time being you can flash CWM if you don't feel safe about it. From there you can choose.
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Secondly, should I do the ota update to 2.3.x before I start, I guess it should also update the radio and hboot. Is it relevant at all, maybe it’s worth having a newer radio or hboot, or maybe the 2.3 rooting method is safer?
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There is no 2.3 root method. The root method for 2.3 is to downgrade.
Don't know if Hboot makes much of a difference. I'm still on the original Hboot my phone came with (purchased December 2010) and never known it to make a difference with anything.
You can always flash a different radio later. All in all, there is no reason to install the OTA before you root.
Appreciate your answers. Yup, I’m still running Froyo, but I would still need to downgrade to 1.34 to get root. And I thought that maybe the 2.3 downgrade method is safer, because it’s the latest one.
So basically what you are saying is don’t do the ota, 4ext is better and using eng-hboot gives more flexibility when flashing and incase of certain bricks.
Again thanks for the help guys and hopefully my DZ will be enjoying root this weekend
I have Hboot 0.93 from all the way back in the day when we had a 30 step root process. I'm pretty sure the answer is "no," but I'll ask anyway. Is there any good reason to update my hboot or should I just leave well enough alone?
Just leave it alone. If you have to unroot for any reason then re-root, on the newer hboots, much more of a pain.
What he said.
I'm still on the .76.2 eng hboot from right after launch and have never considered updating.
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Thanks guys. That's what i thought all this time, but suddenly wanted to make sure I wasn't missing out on something.
the only concern is that the .76 hboot can cause problems with certain kernels. i believe the anthrax kernel needs an hboot newer than .93... just read info for anything you are thinking about flashing. if it recommends a certain hboot i would upgrade.
Hey everyone.
I'm currently running CM10 nightlies on my HOX. My HBOOT is 0.95, as my HOX hasn't been running Sense for a long while. And the phone isn't carrierlocked.
My question is, though, will there be any advantages to updating with the latest JB RUU? Surely I'll get an updated radio firmware, which hopefully will help my connection issues. But is there a danger in upgrading the HBOOT at this point? Will I still be able to install CM10(.1)?
Thanks in advance
debichu said:
Hey everyone.
I'm currently running CM10 nightlies on my HOX. My HBOOT is 0.95, as my HOX hasn't been running Sense for a long while. And the phone isn't carrierlocked.
My question is, though, will there be any advantages to updating with the latest JB RUU? Surely I'll get an updated radio firmware, which hopefully will help my connection issues. But is there a danger in upgrading the HBOOT at this point? Will I still be able to install CM10(.1)?
Thanks in advance
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CM is supported on all HBoots so you dont have to worry about upgrading your HBoot version.
Advantages of upgrading HBoot:
* Better firmware and new JB with good radio as u already know
Disadvantages of upgrading HBoot:
* If a S-off exploit is discovered which is on a lower HBoot and is fixed on the newer ones then you wont be able to use that s-off...ofcourse other exploits can be discovered...but its always good to remain on lower HBoots if you are plannin on s-off
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CM is supported on all HBoots so you dont have to worry about upgrading your HBoot version.
Advantages of upgrading HBoot:
* Better firmware and new JB with good radio as u already know
Disadvantages of upgrading HBoot:
* If a S-off exploit is discovered which is on a lower HBoot and is fixed on the newer ones then you wont be able to use that s-off...ofcourse other exploits can be discovered...but its always good to remain on lower HBoots if you are plannin on s-off
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Thanks a lot!
As far as S-OFF goes, I'm not sure I need it. Sadly, unlocking the bootloader allows me to do what I want: install CM. CM and root access is all I need