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Desire Screen - Is it the same as the N1

I heard that the incredible has an improved multi touch screen at the hardware level [compared to the N1], and was wondering if the Desire has the same physical screen as the N1?
Sorry I really really did search everywhere, if its been answered before.
Thanks.

Yes the Nexus and Desire share the same screen and with it the same 'problems'. I can understand why some find this a problem, but the I doubt many will actually use 'multitouch'. Dual touch should be enough, which works for pinch n zoom. Other than that, I don't use it. Unless you are an airhockey 'enthusiast'. Of course if I could actually choose between the two, I would obviously go for the better one. The Incredible and forward, all devices will probably have better screens than the N1 and Desire.

djind said:
I doubt many will actually use 'multitouch'. Dual touch should be enough, which works for pinch n zoom. Other than that, I don't use it. Unless you are an airhockey 'enthusiast'.
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djind,
Do you know if there are any Android application that has been designed using multitouch yet besides the games?
For example, is there any webbrowser that users two finger swipe left, two finger swipe right, two finger swipe up, two finger swipe down, three fingers touch, etc to effect different web browsing actions? Or, touch music players that fully utilise single/double/triple finger swipes, three finger touch, etc to perform everything from changing volume, chaging songs, changing playlist, etc without having to look at the screen for buttons while driving?

With a class full of iphone addicted gamers, I can see where full on multi touch is an advantage. Theres just so much game developers can do with the full screen avalible, BUT, we're going to see even more fragmentation on the marketplace now.

eaglesteve said:
djind,
Do you know if there are any Android application that has been designed using multitouch yet besides the games?
For example, is there any webbrowser that users two finger swipe left, two finger swipe right, two finger swipe up, two finger swipe down, three fingers touch, etc to effect different web browsing actions? Or, touch music players that fully utilise single/double/triple finger swipes, three finger touch, etc to perform everything from changing volume, chaging songs, changing playlist, etc without having to look at the screen for buttons while driving?
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No I do not, but there must be a reason for that.
Don't get me wrong, I like multitouch, it adds a lot to devices in general, but let's not forget that we have a mobile phone in our hands, or usually just on hand. Priority number one should be enabling the phone to use single handed the best possible way.
You can't actually use multitouch gestures and not look at the screen, what are we talking about here? If your phone does not have a volume rocker on the side, don't use it as an mp3 player (I must say I like the Creative X-Fi2, but you shouldn't have to wake the screen in order to change volume, bad Creative, bad!)
Multitouch gestures generally use more effort to perform compared to hardware button or a single button. One finger swipe is still number one in my book. You would have to give an exact multi-swipe from top to bottom in order to get the volume settings just right, or click on the volume rocker while your eyes are on the road.
Multitouch, like I said, adds a new dimension to the whole experience, but using 3 fingers on the screen covers most if not more than the whole screen. I don't see any ease of use in that. Yes you can use it for a shortcut, but actually performing a 3 finger action is what I think puts me off. A way to browse would indeed be two finger flick for next and previous page, or just touching the left/right key on the browser screen. It is all about ease of use.
The multitouch gestures are cool, but someitimes or usually unnecessary. Having all options and functions is fine, but I think most of the time anyone uses them is after: "Look what my phone can do."
At the end of the line, it's all about usefulness and necessity.
I don't play games and such on my phone (not a lot anyway), probably why I have these views. But somehow they still kind of make sense to me.
Palm has done a great job on the Pre and Pre Plus. The gesture area is the best implementation of ease of use and productivity I have seen so far, combined with the cards view option. I am definately getting a Pre Plus once they get here. It looks like it just works.
Too bad the HTC takeover is out of the question now. I would have loved to see what the great devs at xda could do with WebOs and their creativity and user feedback.
edit: Holy SHhh this reply is huge.. my apologies for this. I have to do some work for school, probably why I wrote this long reply..

i dont think ive ever encountered an iphone app that requires the use of more than 2 fingers (though it can detect up to 11 i think)
though the issue is that the desire can't even do 2 fingers well enough to go beyond pinching actions, anything like the hundreds of iphone games that require 2 fingers just won't work properly. which isn't much of an issue now as these kind of games dont really exist for android, but it may put devs off creating anything like this in the future.

One thing that I think proper multi-touch helps with is the onscreen keyboard.
Personally I think that typing on the virtual keyboard on the Desire is sh*t compared to the iPhone (which supports proper multi-touch). Perhaps I will have to adjust my typing style, but I just cannot type quickly on the Desire, whereas I can on the iPhone, also with fewer mistakes.
If I had the choice and the Incredible was out here in the UK now, then I would get it, no question (despite it's "looks that only a mother could love", and no hard keys for Home/Search/BackMenu).

OP:
http://www.synaptics.com/solutions/products/clearpad
N1 & Desire have Clearpad 2000, Incredible has Clearpad 3000.

setspeed said:
One thing that I think proper multi-touch helps with is the onscreen keyboard.
Personally I think that typing on the virtual keyboard on the Desire is sh*t compared to the iPhone (which supports proper multi-touch). Perhaps I will have to adjust my typing style, but I just cannot type quickly on the Desire, whereas I can on the iPhone, also with fewer mistakes.
If I had the choice and the Incredible was out here in the UK now, then I would get it, no question (despite it's "looks that only a mother could love", and no hard keys for Home/Search/BackMenu).
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How so?
Unless you somehow can use more than two fingers to type on a 3.7" screen then there should be no difference.

I agree about the iphone keyboard. It is perhaps because I was used to it, although I made the necessary mistakes, but I think mostly it has to do with the lay-out of the keyboard. It looks somehow as if it has more space between the key's which make it easier to actually hit the key you are focussing on. That's the feeling I get when I compare the Desire in my hands and the iPhone in my thoughts. But typing on the desire is fine.
Still gonna get the Pre Plus with portrait keyboard!

setspeed said:
OP:
http://www.synaptics.com/solutions/products/clearpad
N1 & Desire have Clearpad 2000, Incredible has Clearpad 3000.
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http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/26/confirmed-droid-incredibles-multitouch-support-is-better-than/
Nope.

yeah typing on the desire is a lot harder for me than the iphone too, tho i don't think this is a multitouch issue.
the iphone keyboard guesses what key your tying to press, so even if you hit the one next to it the one you intended to hit comes up, im not sure if the desire keyboard does this.

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http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/26/confirmed-droid-incredibles-multitouch-support-is-better-than/
Nope.
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I stand corrected!
In reference to the keyboard issue - I've barely used iPhones, but I was typing quickly and error free in 60 sec. On the Desire it seems to register a single touch as more than one touch sometimes, causing a lot of error correction to have to go on, slowing me down as I have to pick the correct word from the list.

Hello everyone!
Just to confirm and prove it with a video, the Desire has the same issue as the N1
youtube.com/watch?v=MbFj8SV1XEE
Sorry for the link, but I am new and my account is not verified

Desire has a real multitouch, it's just that the Y axes is reversed when you use 2 fingers, this will be corrected in Froyo.

JCLB said:
Desire has a real multitouch, it's just that the Y axes is reversed when you use 2 fingers, this will be corrected in Froyo.
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Do you have a source for this information?

Wishmaster83 said:
Do you have a source for this information?
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Here it is: http://telephonino.altervista.org/en/google-rilascera-a-breve-android-2-2-“froyo”/
I've read it on others websites.
It's obvious, when you watch videos of this bug or play yourself at AirHockey, you can state that it's not messy/random, just reversed.
In fact it's a software issue so it can be easily corrected but as it may be in the driver which is not accessible for devs, we have to wait for an official update from HTC except if someone can dump N1's driver if it has been corrected with the last update, could someone test multitouch on the N1 as it has the same bug under 2.1 ?

JCLB said:
Desire has a real multitouch, it's just that the Y axes is reversed when you use 2 fingers, this will be corrected in Froyo.
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Froyo will not fix multitouch bug.. confirmed by froyo users on Nexus One.

You know I tried that app on the market to test multi touch and I could move 4 fingers/points at once... so I'm confused.

ranwej said:
Froyo will not fix multitouch bug.. confirmed by froyo users on Nexus One.
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That's a shame, we have to wait for a new synaptics clearpad 2000 driver from HTC.

problem with multitouch in games

hello,
I install some games on my HTC Desire ex. Guitar Hero and I have problem with my screen. In some games (guitar hero) I need to press two button (on the screen) at the same time, but only one is working. Is this possible to repair this problem? I have this bug in all games where I shoud press screen on two sides at the same time.
Can anyone help me?
I have android 2.2.

Contact the developer of the game. The desire supports two touches at once which is all you need. So if it doesn't work its the game that doesn't support it.

Actually I think it's a HTC issue. Download Dotty from the market and try using multi touch on the screen. You'll soon see the problems!

I check this on Dotty and I have only this bug: youtube.com/watch?v=hVlsRCMltDg.
In dotty I have correct two touch in one line at the same time, but my other aplications don't work with two touches correctly.
Maybe it is bug after android update 2.1->2.2?

angel554 said:
I check this on Dotty and I have only this bug: youtube.com/watch?v=hVlsRCMltDg.
In dotty I have correct two touch in one line at the same time, but my other aplications don't work with two touches correctly.
Maybe it is bug after android update 2.1->2.2?
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The desire dosent have true multitouch, it only has dual touch, this leads to all sorts of problems in games
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So which Andorid smartphones have true multitouch function?
Only iphone have true multitouch?
It's not good for HTC to make not full functional phone

I don't think any android has true multi-touch, certainly nothing made by HTC.
All htc phones are single touch that can detect certain gestures based on the "size" of the touch i.e. the difference between the 2 points, that is how it can work out pinch zooming as the size of the touch either shrinks or grows.

Samsung Galaxy I9000 S have full multitouch. Now I regret because I should buy better smartphone a few days ago

Guitar Hero on Android is not multitouch so will only register one finger at a time. It is just one of many issues with that game. Registering 2 touches is more than adequate for every multitouch game I have ever tried so no need to make an issue out of the Desire's slightly dated multitouch screen technology.

levellerbob said:
Registering 2 touches is more than adequate for every multitouch game I have ever tried so no need to make an issue out of the Desire's slightly dated multitouch screen technology.
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But the Desire isn't registering 2 touches. It's registering 1 finger as 1 touch and 2 fingers as 1 large touch with altering sizes. If you have ever tried any of the first person shooter-games on the Desire you will know that these games are very hard to play bc you can't change viewpoint and move at the same time. Many of gamelofts 3d action games are unplayable because of this. Many games on different emulators are difficult too because of the need to push multiple buttons at once.
I'm a bit of a gaming nut and was VERY disappointed by this when I bought my Desire. It's a very nice phone, but it puzzles me how HTC decided on some of the more odd and annoying designchoices....apparently its just impossible to get THE perfect phone...
(still wondering why a crappy camera is upgraded to record 720p....hooray, now my blurry, dark and noisy videos are ugly in HD! )
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Have you tried "Tank Recon 3D" game. You can fire while steering the tank.
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Bumping this old thread in hopes of finding a fix for this. I have an HTC Rezound that just started having this problem.

So ask in forum for your phone.
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MarvinPontiac said:
Bumping this old thread in hopes of finding a fix for this. I have an HTC Rezound that just started having this problem.
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Oh for ffs. Did you even read the thread? There cannot be a fix because its a hardware limitation.
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[Q] What is this new 10 point touch?

I can't figure out what it is. I installed invisiblek's new kernel and it says it supports it but i have no idea what it is?

10 points can register for the touch screen at once. seems to be hit or miss for people. get multitouch tester off the market to see how many you get. some people only get two some get 10 on the same hardware. no solution has been found for why some only get 2 that I know of

I know this sounds kinda funny...i don't know if it's even right. lol...think if your fingers were small enough, you could type on this like an ipad..or like that microsoft multi touch table.
edit: forgot I used it with the new microbes live wallpaper and I got 5 fingers to register
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Need HTC sense physical keyboard correction app

Last night I made the decision to use CM7 on my rooted device. Its working better than I expected. I don't miss any of the HTC bloat. Except one thing.
Before when I used the physical keyboard to type, there was this bar which appeared which gave me choices of words it thought I wanted and the ability to add custom words.
Is there a way of restoring this or a similar app I can use?
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X82X said:
Last night I made the decision to use CM7 on my rooted device. Its working better than I expected. I don't miss any of the HTC bloat. Except one thing.
Before when I used the physical keyboard to type, there was this bar which appeared which gave me choices of words it thought I wanted and the ability to add custom words.
Is there a way of restoring this or a similar app I can use?
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I dont think youcan get the htc keyboard in CM7, yet! I uae swiftkey from the market. The word prediction is awesome.
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I second Swiftkey, its prediction is fantastic. The only options missing are having it not automatically insert a space after punctuation and having it not try to predict when typing numbers. The first isn't a big issue really, but if you type numbers a lot it gets annoying when it tries to guess what number you're typing.

Well i was here to add another vote for Swiftkey,.... but.... just tried the HTC IME,.... and it works fine,... with prediction in on the hardware keyboard. Note.... you may have to reboot or something as the prediction didnt work straight away,... hmmm... actuali, not working here either, but definitely working fine for sms. Search for HTC IME.
Huh?.... now it is working here. Odd.
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Thanks all. After a search, now I knew what I was searching for, I found the solution. Still trying to get it to work properly though.
Click

Apologies for not linking to it.
I have ticked all the boxes that relate to prediction in settings. ..... I have found that just pressing on the cursor with my finger before I start typing enables the predictions. Give that a try.

Yes! Excellent. That works everytime. Its annoying yes, but at least it works. Hope this problem is fixed soon.

Multitouch issue

http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/verizo...g-from-touchscreen-problems-video-19-12-2011/
http://www.google.co.uk/webhp?rlz=1...sb&fp=9b9cf807851d05d7&biw=1440&bih=839&ion=1
How many people are having this issue?
Ive had it since purchase and im on 4.0.2 now (manually updated) and still having issues.
I have no idea if google or samsung are aware of this but a quick search on google brings up loads of articles about it.
If you not sure download a multi touch test app from the market and follow as they do on the video.
While in landscape mode with the power button at the top the right hand side of the screen will being temperamental which you try to have more than one point on touch on the screen.

I noticed this issue playing heavy gunner today
Unfortunate
Rellikzephyr
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Noticed while playing n64oid

Going to be fixed in 4.0.3 afaik
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I get it playing anything which requires multi touch. Causes modern combat 3 to be un-playable.
Can be fixed sometime by turning screen off and on.
Dont forget to vote if you have it.

Here my Galaxy Nexus yesterday night: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNlfGo3YrnQ
Multitouch issue for the first time.

Had this issue a couple times. This truly is the predecessor to the nexus one lol
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oke this is a copy of my thread here :Gnex Game thread
"Oke.
just to point this out and help a couple of people.
the current state of gaming on the Gnex is..rater terrible.
Allot of game's camp with the multitouch error/glitch/compatibility.
Yes multitouch doesnt work how it should work.
The cause of this might be the SB(software buttons)
and an API that needs to be implemented to the game to hide the SB.
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as this might be actually the issue.. that apps dont have the right API/support for the Gnex.
all the linkts and video's you posted are apps that arent native and dont support the GNex at all.
yes they run.but as soon as you get close to the SB you get issue's.
and there is the problem.
the apps need to include the hide SB api that are in the native gnex apps.
there is your problem.
not all apps are affected by this issue due to apps being programmed differently.
(different API level or coding)
as soons as GTA3 has gnex support,than we can see if i was right or you were.

rdy2go said:
Going to be fixed in 4.0.3 afaik
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Nope still occurs w 4.0.3

dwang said:
Nope still occurs w 4.0.3
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Because its not an ICS nor GNEX issue.
Download unity3D put 2 touchpads next to each other.
and walah. the same result.
its the App thats making the issue(not being compatible with Gnex)

Flippy125 said:
Had this issue a couple times. This truly is the predecessor to the nexus one lol
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It has a bad screen and can travel back through time!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_Zfi3i1ejs
here. i made a video.
just have to wait until they update the games.(rockstar is gone update it[version 1.1 isnt the GNEX update])
its conflicting with the software buttons cuz they arent hidden(they should when the games support Gnex just like tablets not having the bottom bar when playing)

ghost010 said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_Zfi3i1ejs
here. i made a video.
just have to wait until they update the games.(rockstar is gone update it[version 1.1 isnt the GNEX update])
its conflicting with the software buttons cuz they arent hidden(they should when the games support Gnex just like tablets not having the bottom bar when playing)
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Why would turning screen off and back on fix it for a while?
I hope it is easily fixed but i hope its in android source rather than apps as thats alot of incompatible apps.

Whew. Just tested. Multitouch is perfect!
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Mines great used 6 points all over the screen with no issues
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my multitouch issue only happens with heavy gunners. Once I play heavy gunners, I can see the multitouch issue.
I don't have this issue when playing shadowgun or deadspace.

The first time I tried the multitouch issue it appeared, but after that I have tried a lot of times and is impossible to reproduce the error againg. Eitherway, I have played a lot of times to Modern Combat 2 and I have never had any kind of problem with the multitouch.
BTW, when I achieved reproducing the error, it was just in the typical position of the onscreen controls for games and emulators and just in the left side of the screen if I look it in portrait mode, was strange, in the right side it worked fine, but in the left side not

Mine happens just like in the video. Works perfectly fine until I play a game like heavy gunner, then I get issues. Turn the screen off then back on and everything works again.
edit: Actually, toggling the screen off and back on during the game seems to fix multitouch in-game too

I have the same issue in GTA3 and N64oid.. I hope it will work in updated versions of these apps.

this is what happen to me:
If i'm chargin the phone multitouch goes crazy and doesn't work,litteraly impossible to use, if i unplug the power cord, put the screen off and back on everithing goes back to normal, since i' testing the multitouch with antutu so i'm sure of this bug,
So if only battery powered multitouch ok!
With power cord plugged in multitouch not ok!
let me know what do you think.