I've got a One X and a nexus 7, I'm running the same live wallpaper on both (flames) and on the N7 it is silky smooth yet on the One X it stutters every now and then... Now is this due to the so called project butter in jelly bean? Or could there be another reason?
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I've got a One X and a nexus 7, I'm running the same live wallpaper on both (flames) and on the N7 it is silky smooth yet on the One X it stutters every now and then... Now is this due to the so called project butter in jelly bean? Or could there be another reason?
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Possibly, there is a rom right now with Project Butter hacks enabled on it called OrdroidX, been using it for the past few days and it's been brilliant. This should go in the Q&A section though.
Stuttering problems with live wallpapers was fixed in sense 4.1
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Stuttering problems with live wallpapers was fixed in sense 4.1
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yup lol my one x on Sense 4.1 is smoother and faster than my over hyped Nexus7
yes the N7's launcher and transitions are smooth but man that thing is slow to a crawl when you multitask
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... the N7's launcher and transitions are smooth but man that thing is slow to a crawl when you multitask
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Think there might be something wrong with your N7 there buddy.
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Think there might be something wrong with your N7 there buddy.
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read my lips "multitask and jumping between apps"
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read my lips "multitask and jumping between apps"
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Haven't experienced any slowdown on my n7 either. What sort of apps you running? Must say I'm so impressed with how smooth and fast the n7 is that I'm starting to think there is something wrong with my one X.
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Haven't experienced any slowdown on my n7 either. What sort of apps you running? Must say I'm so impressed with how smooth and fast the n7 is that I'm starting to think there is something wrong with my one X.
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the LAG thread --__--
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I don't know if this has been mentioned and I have only skipped through the thread and done a quick search, so forgive me if this has been spoken about already. The issue most people are facing is probably hardware. It's explained in depth on the Anandtech review, page 6 "NAND and WIFI performance".
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6073/the-google-nexus-7-review/6
Basically, the memory chips are low quality and can suffer badly when read/writing. I say badly, though not as badly as the TF700. This was explicitly the reason I didn't buy the Infinity because I couldn't justify spending that amount of cash on something so beautiful that is severely hampered by something that, for my uses, will hamper me quite a bit. So to put a good spin on it, the Nexus 7 costs less that half the price of the Infinity and has better read/write performance. And my G.Nex is better than both!
So the software/app changes are merely toning down a hardware issue. I'm not going to say "fault" because it was a cost choice by Asus and we know the Nexus 7 is relatively cheap. Why they made a similar choice in the Transformer line is beyond me.
Just turned off all updates for Currents. We'll see how it helps me.
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Cool thanks for that. So all being said my HOX should be better than the n7 but it simply isn't. I love this phone but fear I have been excusing its flaws far too long. Time to get a replacement I think.
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Since I also own a Nexus 7 and a One X, I ran two benchmarks, AnTuTu and Quadrant. The I/O performance in AnTuTu was almost the same, just like the other results. In Quadrant the results were completely different, the I/O score on the result on the One X was in the 9000 and on the Nexus 7 it was around 1900, almost 5 times lower. What to trust, we're do these huge differences come from? Is Quadrant not suited for Jelly Bean?
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Since I also own a Nexus 7 and a One X, I ran two benchmarks, AnTuTu and Quadrant. The I/O performance in AnTuTu was almost the same, just like the other results. In Quadrant the results were completely different, the I/O score on the result on the One X was in the 9000 and on the Nexus 7 it was around 1900, almost 5 times lower. What to trust, we're do these huge differences come from? Is Quadrant not suited for Jelly Bean?
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Well, it depends what you test. If you test sequential read, you'll get one characteristic, if you test 4KB random write, you'll get something very different.
I have a class 6 SD card that's 1000 times faster in iops (4KB random write) than another more expensive class 10 card from the same manufacturer. Of course, the other can sequential read about twice mine. The differences are more than surprising.
I have a galaxy nexus and, yes, it is smoother with JB. The one x will be smoother too, once it gets it.
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Cool thanks for that. So all being said my HOX should be better than the n7 but it simply isn't. I love this phone but fear I have been excusing its flaws far too long. Time to get a replacement I think.
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awesome one nagger out! :good:
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Since I also own a Nexus 7 and a One X, I ran two benchmarks, AnTuTu and Quadrant. The I/O performance in AnTuTu was almost the same, just like the other results. In Quadrant the results were completely different, the I/O score on the result on the One X was in the 9000 and on the Nexus 7 it was around 1900, almost 5 times lower. What to trust, we're do these huge differences come from? Is Quadrant not suited for Jelly Bean?
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check thread and nevermind the testes
everyone complaining from the same thing on the N7
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I have a galaxy nexus and, yes, it is smoother with JB. The one x will be smoother too, once it gets it.
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galaxy nexus funny enough is currently the fasted JB device in terms of UI, like i said T3 is crippled by the IO on the N7
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and i dont get the point of this thread, we all know that the 4.0.4 Sense 4.1 update brought the UI to project butter 60fps smooth level and the entire phone is brisk now
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and i dont get the point of this thread, we all know that the 4.0.4 Sense 4.1 update brought the UI to project butter 60fps smooth level and the entire phone is brisk now
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Really? I'd agree about not really seeing the point of this thread but I still find Sense 4.1 pretty 'stuttery' (not actual overall performance, just the transitions) compared to AOSP - especially things like the way Sense doesn't always bother doing the app draw appearance animation, or only does about 5 frames of it. It's a shame really, given that I actually quite like using it, and I really miss the camera.
The funny thing is that when I first got the HOX I thought it was really fast relative to what came before and couldn't understand why you were complaining about Rosie not running smoothly and patching the launcher to flatten it out! It all depends on your point of reference, I suppose - and mine has changed since using AOSP 4.1 on this particular device.
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Really? I'd agree about not really seeing the point of this thread but I still find Sense 4.1 pretty 'stuttery' (not actual overall performance, just the transitions) compared to AOSP - especially things like the way Sense doesn't always bother doing the app draw appearance animation, or only does about 5 frames of it. It's a shame really, given that I actually quite like using it, and I really miss the camera.
The funny thing is that when I first got the HOX I thought it was really fast relative to what came before and couldn't understand why you were complaining about Rosie not running smoothly and patching the launcher to flatten it out! It all depends on your point of reference, I suppose - and mine has changed since using AOSP 4.1 on this particular device.
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yes it was a stuttery n no longer after the update, its not JB locked smooth on all fronts, transitions are 60fps just the few odd places where its not as smooth, n my point of reference is my native JB nexus 7
ur really willing to loose all functionality of sense including camera for the last 10% of smooth? and this is not sense fault, its an issue ICS as the entire android world knows already and hence JB's project butter
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yes it was a stuttery n no longer after the update, its not JB locked smooth on all fronts, transitions are 60fps just the few odd places where its not as smooth, n my point of reference is my native JB nexus 7
ur really willing to loose all functionality of sense including camera for the last 10% of smooth? and this is not sense fault, its an issue ICS as the entire android world knows already and hence JB's project butter
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Actually, it is Sense. I was just trying one of the new CM9 builds out, and it's still markedly smoother scrolling around in the app draw, up and down settings, through home screens, around web pages, etc.
Unless you know of a Sense 4.1 ROM that's smoother than the latest Ordroid or ViperX? I suppose it is just a matter of getting used to it - as I said, it's purely cosmetic. I just really notice the micro-stutter and really inconsistent framerates when scrolling around. Actual app launches and most of the functionality are actually faster in an hTC-based ICS ROM than in JB...
All using faux123's latest, obviously
OK, i agree that on the begining HTC make a "Half X" and it was everything but not smooth ... but what are you guys want now? I mean, fo what are you guys using your phone, scrolling the whole day thrue the appdrawer and if it stutters going straight to xda and crying over HTC?
If you ask me, i have a great phone now that can handle every app and game out there
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the LAG thread --__--
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Yep, If you do anything on the nexus 7 that involves accessing the memory it will slow down. I really dislike the n7 because of this but the price is still reasonable for what you're getting. It's my comic book reader, movie viewer so I don't mind if it lags doing other stuff.
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Possibly, there is a rom right now with Project Butter hacks enabled on it called OrdroidX, been using it for the past few days and it's been brilliant. This should go in the Q&A section though.
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No there isn't it isn't "project butter" at all its a few build prop tweaks which must custom roms have by default
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Yup someone just posted a lag fix for the nexus 7
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1875712
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Alright, you're gonna be mad about the topic but I'm being honest here.
I never had a nexus phone and I was hoping that if I got a Galaxy Nexus, the phone wouldn't stutter (in browser and in apps) and it does. On websites the stuttering when scrolling is annoying. The phone is fast (home screen, app drawer, settings) but a lot of apps are jittery and not fluid.
I'm running AOKP Milestone 4 with Lean Kernel v2.4.
So my question is, is it possible to get the Galaxy Nexus to be as smooth as an iPhone? Some reasons would be good because there's no doubting the 4s is very fluid with rare if any hiccups.
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what apps...all mine are as smooth as the iphone.
AOKP is the king of extra features, but if you want smooth you should try Peter Alfonso's Bugless Beast.
The selling point if the iphone 4s is Suri.
My buddy tried to show it off and it didn't work at all.
He was really embarrassed.. It screwed up everything.
I showed him my nexus, and then I proceeded to pull 15 down 13 up in a speed test.
Boy was he jealous of my Nexus.
If all you care about is smooth scrolling, use the stock firmware. It's smoother than most ROMs, but lacks many features in the custom ROMs.
Don't forget, you're running a beta version of community created code. We don't have as much access to the hardware as the original designers, and can't optimize things as easily.
Whinging about it not being as smooth as an iPhone when you're running user created firmware is like complaining that the shelves you built yourself aren't as nice as the ones that your friend paid a professional carpenter to create.
AOKP runs great for most people, myself included, but there are tradeoffs for the extra features.
also, one more thing you gotta take into consideration is that aokp is more for customization. you want more of a rom that works only on stability. i havnt tried m4, but i do know that bamf is amazingly smooth. and alsooo when was the last time you saw the 4s? sure you can slide smoothly but doesnt it matter much more how quick you can load the page? try a diff browser also... mines working perfectly on google chrome and stock.
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If all you care about is smooth scrolling, use the stock firmware. It's smoother than most ROMs, but lacks many features in the custom ROMs.
Don't forget, you're running a beta version of community created code. We don't have as much access to the hardware as the original designers, and can't optimize things as easily.
Whinging about it not being as smooth as an iPhone when you're running user created firmware is like complaining that the shelves you built yourself aren't as nice as the ones that your friend paid a professional carpenter to create.
AOKP runs great for most people, myself included, but there are tradeoffs for the extra features.
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That's a poor analogy. The ROM devs are not building these ROMs from scratch, they are making relatively small changes to the code provided by Google. A better analogy would be assembling an office desk from IKEA (store that sells put-it-together-yourself furniture for you non-U.S. folk) vs having a carpenter friend put it together. Sure your friend might drill a hold here or there to make the fit better, but he isn't carving the shelf out of lumber.
-- also, one more thing you gotta take into consideration is that aokp is more for customization. you want more of a rom that works only on stability. i havnt tried m4, but i do know that bamf is amazingly smooth. and alsooo when was the last time you saw the 4s? sure you can slide smoothly but doesnt it matter much more how quick you can load the page? try a diff browser also... mines working perfectly on google chrome and stock. --
stock browser and chrome are jerky but the stock browser is a little better
Stock software was slow for me too, worse than AOKP M4
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-- what apps...all mine are as smooth as the iphone. --
XDA, web browser, maps
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Ok I'll try bugless beast ans see if it helps
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android will never be as smooth as the iphone, its running a dalvik client
Do iPhone users just get Android phones and swipe and down all day to see how fluid it moves. You guys know there is much more to the phone then just scrolling pages up and down, right?
You also realize the device is pushing a higher resolution then an iPhone as well so a lot more pixels are in play.
Seriously, even if the GN scrolled smoother then it already does, I don't think I would really give a sh.t......It would not change my experience in the least.
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android will never be as smooth as the iphone, its running a dalvik client
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Not to mention iPhone 4S GPU absolutely blows away any other mobile GPU on the market, and on top of that pushes fewer pixels.
iPhone 4S is a graphical beast.
Have you turned on Hardware Acceleration in the Settings?
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Have you turned on Hardware Acceleration in the Settings?
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Yes, it's turned on
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Not to mention iPhone 4S GPU absolutely blows away any other mobile GPU on the market, and on top of that pushes fewer pixels.
iPhone 4S is a graphical beast.
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The iPhone 4 is smooth as well and the GPU isn't as good as the iPhone 4S
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Do iPhone users just get Android phones and swipe and down all day to see how fluid it moves. You guys know there is much more to the phone then just scrolling pages up and down, right?
You also realize the device is pushing a higher resolution then an iPhone as well so a lot more pixels are in play.
Seriously, even if the GN scrolled smoother then it already does, I don't think I would really give a sh.t......It would not change my experience in the least.
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Jerky scrolling is annoying (in the browser and in XDA app)...it's as if the frame rate is running at 20fps as opposed to 60fps
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android will never be as smooth as the iphone, its running a dalvik client
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If that's true then that sucks.
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If that's true then that sucks.
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of course its true, everything is in java
and of course don't forget about the fact that Android handles the UI in a different way compared to iOS (the UI isn't prioritised or something along those lines).
Could anyone throw in a modified framework.jar for stock ROM or CM9 with scrollingcache disabled? For the Sprint galaxy nexus
Most people think the Galaxy Nexus is pretty smooth, but for us OCD type and especially us former iPhone owners know it's not 60fps smooth.. It's very stuttery due to the scrolling cache... Disabling it makes it MUCH smoother.. Like iPhone 4S smooth.
I'm not sure if this was ever done on other models of the GN but there's nothing like that available for the Sprint version yet. AOKP has that option, but so far there isn't a port, either.
Thanks!
lolwut
This thread is useless. Stop being paranoid, your phone isn't lagging.
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zeuzinn said:
Could anyone throw in a modified framework.jar for stock ROM or CM9 with scrollingcache disabled? For the Sprint galaxy nexus
Most people think the Galaxy Nexus is pretty smooth, but for us OCD type and especially us former iPhone owners know it's not 60fps smooth.. It's very stuttery due to the scrolling cache... Disabling it makes it MUCH smoother.. Like iPhone 4S smooth.
I'm not sure if this was ever done on other models of the GN but there's nothing like that available for the Sprint version yet. AOKP has that option, but so far there isn't a port, either.
Thanks!
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Understandable. I've been trying to get my nexus as smooth as my 3gs. If u want to disablr scrolling cache, u could put in your build.prop
persist.sys.scrollingcache=3
Some custom ROMs, like the latest AOKP, allow you to disable the scrolling cache. Otherwise, it's not built into the default system.
I'm a bit confused. Isn't scrollingcache supposed to help with smoothness? Why does disabling it make the system smoother?
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Hi,
Found this:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1411317&highlight=scrolling+cache
- Some android applications have some lag when they scroll.
I found in logcat that garbage collector is working to much when I do some scroll in application.
I googled about it and found the 'scrollingcache' function inside android making problem.
Some application developers recommend disable 'scrollingcache' in app's internal config.
But not all applications have disabled scrollingcache.
So the mod I'll do will disable the scrollingcache throughout the Android OS.
All apps will have no problem with scrollingcache.
I've had scrolling improvements with facebook,playerpro,poweramp,gallery apps , etc.
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Smokeey said:
This thread is useless. Stop being paranoid, your phone isn't lagging.
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I was also an iphone 4s user and i noticed a huge difference in the smoothness of the devices, the 4s is much smoother and actually has 0 stuttering, on s3, even on the home screen if i scroll medium to fast i see the stuttering.
Your reply is useless.
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I was also an iphone 4s user and i noticed a huge difference in the smoothness of the devices, the 4s is much smoother and actually has 0 stuttering, on s3, even on the home screen if i scroll medium to fast i see the stuttering.
Your reply is useless.
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Go back to your awesome iphone then. BTW, this is a Nexus forum
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Go back to your awesome iphone then. BTW, this is a Nexus forum
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Stop your dam trolling the iPhone is just an example. Hell he could used a windows phone for an example.
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Lol.. the Nexus Laggy? Maybe on ICS. Slap a Jb ROM on there and you'll forget the iweight. If your still not satisfied then go back to the isheep world and live forever in apple harmony.
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That's cuz the iOS designers killed many kittens for that ability sort of like making a philosophers stone
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As I've understood it the iPhone freeze all other tasks and uses all cpu to do the scrolling...
Swype'ed on my CM10 Galaxy
I just wanted to confirm the OP. A good confirmation came from improved scrolling in Adobe Reader, which was horrid across multiple ROMs I've tried. It was a great deal faster with the newest Sprint OTA and GLaDOS 2.1 kernel.
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Could anyone throw in a modified framework.jar for stock ROM or CM9 with scrollingcache disabled? For the Sprint galaxy nexus
Most people think the Galaxy Nexus is pretty smooth, but for us OCD type and especially us former iPhone owners know it's not 60fps smooth.. It's very stuttery due to the scrolling cache... Disabling it makes it MUCH smoother.. Like iPhone 4S smooth.
I'm not sure if this was ever done on other models of the GN but there's nothing like that available for the Sprint version yet. AOKP has that option, but so far there isn't a port, either.
Thanks!
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As I've understood it the iPhone freeze all other tasks and uses all cpu to do the scrolling...
Swype'ed on my CM10 Galaxy
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And jelly bean does not require that for buttery goodness
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The advantange of disabling the scrolling cache is more smoothness.
But what is the advantange, when it is on?
Wgich advantage has the scrolling cache?
hate to echo some users above, but wouldn't scrollling cache set to true/on be better for smoothness?
http://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/AbsListView.html#attr_android:scrollingCache
For those curious about the scrolling cache here's a video called "the world of ListView" :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skD1fjxSRog (jump to 37:14) .
Even though it's quite an old video, there are still many questions on StackOverflow related to ListView which would get solved by just watching this video.
OP, Learn a little bit about how to use Android and Linux. And then ask your questions.
I use stock CM11 with Smitty's Kernel. OC'd CPU 1.5Ghz and GPU at 512Mhz. ZRAM enabled. And a custom 3800mAh battery for battery.
Gotta say without any additional Linux tweaks my device is flying!
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As per the title, will I miss the Quad Core? Especially concerned about smoothness in the browser, for example scrolling when viewing flash elements is as if the flash element wasnt there on the One X.
Im considering the swap as I want a Nexus device for dev support and can have a bit of money left over for the next Nexus if I do this swap.
It will not be a regret! I was a fan of the build quality of the one x and its speed but the nexus with jb on it ownes the one x (in my opinion). Plus there is a port of HTC sense 4.0 if you are a fan of sense!
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It will not be a regret! I was a fan of the build quality of the one x and its speed but the nexus with jb on it ownes the one x (in my opinion). Plus there is a port of HTC sense 4.0 if you are a fan of sense!
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Thanks for the reply mate. How does the battery life compare (screen on times)? And does the Nexus feel "cheap" this is one criticism i see levelled at it a lot. I have the option of the S3 but that does look ugly and cheap (too much chrome and too much shine as well as too much plastic.)
I will miss the One X's looks but I love the look of the Nexus, particularly on the front.
Could you give me a test of browser/flash performance? How is it on the Youtube website scrolling when the video is playing? Are button presses on the flash object (like pressing play/mute/pause) instant? I'm a heavy flash user (cricket/football/Sky Sports streaming) so this is important to me.
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Thanks for the reply mate. How does the battery life compare (screen on times)? And does the Nexus feel "cheap" this is one criticism i see levelled at it a lot. I have the option of the S3 but that does look ugly and cheap (too much chrome and too much shine as well as too much plastic.)
I will miss the One X's looks but I love the look of the Nexus, particularly on the front.
Could you give me a test of browser/flash performance? How is it on the Youtube website scrolling when the video is playing? Are button presses on the flash object (like pressing play/mute/pause) instant? I'm a heavy flash user (cricket/football/Sky Sports streaming) so this is important to me.
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Extremely smooth. Flash hasn't been updated for jb. However you can still use the one for ICS. I haven't used flash but everything else works great. The battery life does fine.
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Extremely smooth. Flash hasn't been updated for jb. However you can still use the one for ICS. I haven't used flash but everything else works great. The battery life does fine.
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Could someone test out http://www.computerandvideogames.com/ website on desktop mode and let me know scrolling performance/scrolling lag on the Nexus?
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Could someone test out http://www.computerandvideogames.com/ website on desktop mode and let me know scrolling performance/scrolling lag on the Nexus?
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Tried the page u posted, no lag or stutters whatsoever. The galaxy nexus stock browser is one of the smoothest and quickest browsers out there, even back on ics days, no need to mention JB, everything just flies
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Tried the page u posted, no lag or stutters whatsoever. The galaxy nexus stock browser is one of the smoothest and quickest browsers out there, even back on ics days, no need to mention JB, everything just flies
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Brilliant. Just trying to think of things I could throw at you lot here - I know what works smooth on the One X and what doesn't. For one thing CVG on desktop mode would have lag from when you put your finger on the screen to the actual scroll taking place.
PCgamer.com was also similarly troublesome on the One X.
What "Screen On" times can I expect with a Nexus? I get 3/4 hours on the One X
You'll get comparable screen on times. Most people get in the three to four hour range. Some less though, and I have seen upwards of five plus hours. A lot will depend on your setup and kernel of choice.
The One X is a nice phone, one that would be tempting to me, as I do like Htc's build quality.
The Nexus doesn't feel overly cheap to me or like to much plastic. I think that may be due to the Glass front and I run a cover so that kinds of changes the feel of the textured back to me.
I do really like the dev community and support that the Nexus receives. One of the reasons that it would be hard for me to leave the Nexus.
Good luck in your choice.
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Brilliant. Just trying to think of things I could throw at you lot here - I know what works smooth on the One X and what doesn't. For one thing CVG on desktop mode would have lag from when you put your finger on the screen to the actual scroll taking place.
PCgamer.com was also similarly troublesome on the One X.
What "Screen On" times can I expect with a Nexus? I get 3/4 hours on the One X
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Trust me, i owned htc and samsung phones, and since my htc desire days i stopped using stock browsers and dolphin was the main one on all phones that followed. after getting the gnex i was still skeptical about stock browsers, but it's really the best browser i've tried so far, adding to it's speed all the cool stuff like guick controls and inverted screen rendering, u just can't go wrong with it. Furthermore the jelly bean experience is far away from anything available on any other android device out there. I posted a youtube link a while ago about a review for JB on gnex , a part of the review concentrates on browser performance, i'll post the link here as soon as i get to my pc (don't feel like searching over my phone)
Edit: as for screen on times, it depends if u're planing to get the gsm or cdma (verizon/sprint) version. I have a gsm one and on ics i used to get continuosly over 5hrs screen on. On jb it dropped to ~ 4-4.5 hrs , i think Google Now is eating the battery, (giving me navigation and calculating traffic to home) even though i don't need it, and actually i'm still enjoying all these JB features so i guess i'll turn some of those uneeded gnow cards OFF soon, pretty sure it'll improve my battery life more
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I've gotten the best battery life of any Android phone on this one.
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Guys you're being ridiculously helpful and I'm seriously tempted to jack in the One X and get the Nexus tomorrow even!
That review you mentioned above would be great to see.
What JB ROM/Kernel combo would you recommend and could you point me in the direction of the thinnest case for the back of the phone?
I'd be on GSM in the UK BTW.
Does overclocking to the 4460's 1.5ghz massively impact battery life? And how effective is undervolting? I've read you can UV the CPU/GPU and Screen as well as another chip?
For the fella above that had the ONE X would you say the camera/screen is markedly better on the HTC or is it negligible? Screen more important than camera to me.
Also is this colour accuracy patch still in use with many Kernels? The ONE X screen is streets ahead in terms of colour IMO and this seems to certainly help? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1521195
Lastly just to reaffirm, scrolling performance with a flash video playing is instantaneous?
Don't even need 1.5ghz. Its smooth at 1036mhz.
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here is the vid i mentioned , it was done on the developer preview 4.1, the official 4.1.1 has been furthermore polished
also take a look at this
as for overclock, u don't need it
I too have a HOX and ordered a Nexus the other night. It'll be here tomorrow. I can give you a hands-on account of the switch after that!
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I too have a HOX and ordered a Nexus the other night. It'll be here tomorrow. I can give you a hands-on account of the switch after that!
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What ROM are you running? I know HOX is getting JB but why keep it when I can have £100 spare and have a similar performing phone, with most support and instant AOSP pushes?
Please hurry with your account because I will probably be rushing off to make the exchange tomorrow myself! Haha
Achieved it yesterday. Well actually almost everyday. Stock jb with stock kernel. Only rooted deoxdexed, bigxie version. I don't use setcpu or anything. Gps and bluetooth on when needed. And since I don't use nfc, I turned it off and greatly improved the battery too. Auto sync are all on, auto-brightness n also plume updating every 30 minutes.
Btw, I use it alongside my one x too. The thing is, it's been 24 hours since I last touch my one x. Damn it that shows how much I love nexus and aosp! You won't regret it mate. I prefer using my nexus over one x in anything! Really tiring waiting for CM to come official for one x. Grrr...
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Achieved it yesterday. Well actually almost everyday. Stock jb with stock kernel. Only rooted deoxdexed, bigxie version. I don't use setcpu or anything. Gps and bluetooth on when needed. And since I don't use nfc, I turned it off and greatly improved the battery too. Auto sync are all on, auto-brightness n also plume updating every 30 minutes.
Btw, I use it alongside my one x too. The thing is, it's been 24 hours since I last touch my one x. Damn it that shows how much I love nexus and aosp! You won't regret it mate. I prefer using my nexus over one x in anything! Really tiring waiting for CM to come official for one x. Grrr...
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How much difference is there between the screen and camera? Can you see pixels on the screen of the nexus being pentile or is it as pin sharp as the One X (which looks like a magazine print to be honest).
How would you rate performance of the Nexus in relation to the One X ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMusBwaMKMw
The lag here worries me, its definitely not like that on the One X with ICS its butter smooth
You won't miss a damn thing. Go for it.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMusBwaMKMw
The lag here worries me, its definitely not like that on the One X with ICS its butter smooth
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That guy is a moron. Also, full YouTube can make some desktops cry.
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I can't say on the Stock Browser with Ics, as I was using Chrome. But on JB with the stock browser, I just opened Youtube, and had no lag at all. Very smooth. I've been really impressed with the improvements to the Stock Browser in JB. I tried Chrome, and it was choppy. With the performance of the Stock Browser, I see no reason to use anything else now though.
What everyone else has said about not needing to overclock. Very true. I run at 1036 with no issues. I will push it up to 1500 if I want to run a bench test, but other than that, there really is no reason for me to OC.
The Gpu can be OC'd. I haven't noticed a lot of difference between 384 and 512. I don't play a lot of labor intense games though. Jelly Defense and Ski Safari are the only two games I have installed at the moment. Even the stock 307 setting works fine for these.
I have tried a few of the Kernels, but have been using Trinity exclusively now for the past few months both on Ics and now on Jb. It's all subjective to personal taste though. If you make the switch, there are many Kernels and roms to choose from, all with there pluses.
I understand that project butter was a feature of the newest android builds. Now does that mean when a phone officially gets the build they also get project butter? Is this only a nexus thing? If project butter is on a touchwiz rom, does that mean that it could lead to a faster cm10?
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Its a jellybean thing. Any android with 4.1 or higher is supposed to have "project butter" its supposed to be 60fps now.
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Its a jellybean thing. Any android with 4.1 or higher is supposed to have "project butter" its supposed to be 60fps now.
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Yes, I mean that's what I assumed, I just mean to ask what could be holding it back? Is there a need for more development? Shouldn't the release of an official 4.1 release dawn the integration of project butter to all 4.1 roms?
I'm just trying to get a better understanding.
I'm confused, I told you its built into 4.1 ROMs we have it officially and unofficially through cm....
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Project butter is BS. If you have a ROM and kernel combo with good performance and tuned properly without conflicting scripts anywhere in the ROM monitoring CPU.... or GPU... then you should never see a blip of "lag" ever.
Don't buy into the hype.
I agree its just a hype thing to get people excited and promote android for this and that. I still hardly notice anything different in JB compared to ICS, does it scroll better? a little. Doss it feel smoother in the app drawer? No. It feels extremely smooth still. Overall just enjoy your phone and don't worry about gimmicky names for things.
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Hey, I read all of your comments, but here's where I'm confused... I know that disabling hardware overlays disables project butter, but wouldn't you want the GPU doing the work instead of the software anyway?
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Hey, I read all of your comments, but here's where I'm confused... I know that disabling hardware overlays disables project butter, but wouldn't you want the GPU doing the work instead of the software anyway?
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You will get better performance from the two CPUs "aiding" in rendering your UI... but the cost will be battery life. Honestly, an over clocked GPU can accomplish the rendering tasks in UI AND GAMES that your CPUs would. I have never noticed a difference in performance running my handset with the "disable hw overlay" ticked in the dev options.
Not sure what you meant by the GPU doing the work instead of software. Bottom line is, your hardware is doing the computing of what android (your UI) is telling it to do in either case. If you look at a kmsg log while touching your screen you can see finger touch events being communicated through the UI... touch boosters.. specific to jelly bean. Kind of interesting really. I guess this is part of "butter"
But like I said. Seems like a bunch of bs. I have never seen terrible lag in the last 4 devices I have owned - s3, 4g LTE, s2 and an Evo 3D.. and the latter two were running gingerbread!
Anyways, yeah. I type too fast. Lol
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You will get better performance from the two CPUs "aiding" in rendering your UI... but the cost will be battery life. Honestly, an over clocked GPU can accomplish the rendering tasks in UI AND GAMES that your CPUs would. I have never noticed a difference in performance running my handset with the "disable hw overlay" ticked in the dev options.
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Wait, so do I leave hw overlay checked or disabled for better battery life.
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Project Butter is not bs. Flip through your widgets in the app drawer and tell me it doesn't feel a crapton smoother than it did on ICS.
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Project Butter is not bs. Flip through your widgets in the app drawer and tell me it doesn't feel a crapton smoother than it did on ICS.
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So you want us to flip through our app drawer, Which I put money on 50-75% don't use stock to see if it feels a "crapton smoother" in the app drawer, I ran stock for a week without a separate launcher and nothing felt different...
I don't think project butter is really bs, have you guys ever used a galaxy nexus or the nexus 4? I've never used a device that smooth. My sgs3 is quick, but it's not butter. I think that that's what I want.
Smooth though
Having been on lots of ROMs I can say this -
Whenever I come across the system tweaks 'Project Butter',and they are ACTUALLY implemented, there NEVER is a corresponding increase in speed i.e. response to touch BUT over time, there is a definate velvety experience that I appreciate very much. Buffered almost. Fuzzy, like Vinyl vs. Digital.
There are many ROMs that are so quick, they feel twitchy...tense.
Anytime I'm OFF 'Project Butter' what I realise I'm missing is a certain finish to the 'beginning and end of action' - I'm miss a certain silkiness.
Over a period of time, I have come to actively look for these components first in ANY ROM - everything else can be APKed to fit my needs, but the overall feel of predictable, regulated, smoothness across the whole system is something that I have come to look for before anything else..
Has Asus improved the flash memory used in the new Nexus 7? How is the I/O?
This will be a major factor in others buying the tablet.
Yes they fixed it. Buy one.
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Yes they fixed it. Buy one.
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It's a bit dangerous to make blanket statements like this when you actually have no idea whether this is the case or not, unless you'd like to provide some actual facts/figures to back it up.
How would you like us to test it. Its VASTLY faster than the old N7 no doubt.
Here are some of my Antutu numbers...
35.5MB/sec write
27.8MB/sec read
Andro Bench...
Seq Read: 57.47MB/sec
Seq Write: 17.74MB/sec
Ran Read: 11.99MB/sec
Ran Write: 00.83MB/sec
SQLite Insert: 88.81 TPS
SQLite Update: 100.1 TPS
SQLite Delete: 99.46 TPS
Browser: 75.5ms
Market: 188ms
Camera 183.75ms
Camcorder: 425.25ms
I have about 3Gigs of apps install now, had probably 20 or so running in the background and 40-50 apps overall.
I have one and Comparo of performance between Nexus 7, old Nexus 7, Nexus 4 and Nexus 10*http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...ce-preview-a-huge-speed-upgrade-in-every-way/
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The only way to really test this is the hard way. Install stuff until it's down to below 1g free then use it for a few days in a row without rebooting. Does stuff start slowing down, problems loading/wifi/scrolling at the same time, etc?
See anandtech review.
Android 4.3 uses fstrim, which helps with i/o speeds. Will even help the old n7
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It's a bit dangerous to make blanket statements like this when you actually have no idea whether this is the case or not, unless you'd like to provide some actual facts/figures to back it up.
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All.that has to be done is read Anandtech review. It has been fixed and a dramatic improvement over previous model. He has several benchmarks and test figures to back it up.
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See anandtech review.
Android 4.3 uses fstrim, which helps with i/o speeds. Will even help the old n7
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Yes, it will help. Various reports from original nexus7 owners said improvement was drastic. Anantech broke it down as to how the new feature in 4.3 works to achieve this. Its something called Ftrim, I believe. It cleans up and prevents device memory.from being bogged down after its loaded with apps and stuff. So users who updated to 4.3 on OG nexus7 are already seeing improvements. I will be updating both of my nexus7's soon to 4.3.
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Anantech broke it down as to how the new feature in 4.3 works to achieve this. Its something called Ftrim, I believe. It cleans up and prevents device memory.from being bogged down after its loaded with apps and stuff. So users who updated to 4.3 on OG nexus7 are already seeing improvements. I will be updating both of my nexus7's soon to 4.3.
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"Fstrim"
I was using it for the last couple of months on my OG N7 and it helped a lot. The app was called 'lagfix', it manually ran the fstrim utility that was present in android 4.2, but not yet implemented until 4.3
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"Fstrim"
I was using it for the last couple of months on my OG N7 and it helped a lot. The app was called 'lagfix', it manually ran the fstrim utility that was present in android 4.2, but not yet implemented until 4.3
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Thanks for.clarification. I've been away from n7 forums for a while. I.came back when I heard they were updating to 4.3. Sad to hear about team eos going a different direction on Roms. Can't wait to test out first hand how 4.3 improves my OG n7's.
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Thanks for.clarification. I've been away from n7 forums for a while. I.came back when I heard they were updating to 4.3. Sad to hear about team eos going a different direction on Roms. Can't wait to test out first hand how 4.3 improves my OG n7's.
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lol keeping up to date with these forums is like a full-time job, so much...stuff. I think i'll take a break once i get my gen 2 setup. What happened with team eos?
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lol keeping up to date with these forums is like a full-time job, so much...stuff. I think i'll take a break once i get my gen 2 setup. What happened with team eos?
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I believe they no longer supporting team eos Rims or.the one at least on OG nexus7. I haven't read up on the details. But I heard they joined up with another group and going to take this rom or collaboration to a whole new level. Sounds like big things in the works now.for.them.
I.just recently flashed cleanrom 4.0 on my on n7. Its the first rom out with 4.3 build. I'm letting it settle for a while. As I have a million apps updating from playstore since I haven't used the device in over a month. But so far everything looking good. Can't wait to really dive Into it and see how she performs on 4.3. This might hold me off for a while on buying newer model. We will see. But I do want it though..lol I have my LG optimus G pro to satisfy my 1080P cravings for now.
I've only had my new Nexus 7 for about 7 hours, but can say it is VERY fast. I was downloading all my apps and did not suffer the SLOWNESS of my previous Asus devices (TF101 and TF300).
To early to say with absolute certainty, but do far it is FAST and SMOOTH. Oh, and the 1920x1200 display is something to behold
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I've only had my new Nexus 7 for about 7 hours, but can say it is VERY fast. I was downloading all my apps and did not suffer the SLOWNESS of my previous Asus devices (TF101 and TF300).
To early for.com to say with absolute certainty, but do far it is FAST and SMOOTH. Oh, and the 1920x1200 display is something to behold
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I can say the same! I downloaded 20 apps after updating my Nexus, and there was very minimal slowness. I am amazed with this baby!
It will be interesting to see the performance reports come in over the next few weeks...
Any videos that I've seen so far show the new N7 demonstrating noticeable lag. In fact the responsiveness seems on par with that of the 2012 model. Worse, in some videos, when compared to my current 2012 with CM and M-kernel.
Anyway, I'll be waiting for at least a month to see how things settle down (can't rely on just a few videos). As it stands now, for my needs and uses, the V2 doesn't seem worth it based on what I've seen...
Coming from Asus TF300T, which is incredibly, unbearably slow and laggy due to i/o problems, this was a huge concern for me.
Set and setting: I've been using it all day now, have 4 games installed and played, lots of facebook and chrome and youtube. My personal benchmark test is to open everything I use, use it for a few minutes, and then download something while browsing the internet and the facebook app.
Results: If my iPad 4 is 100% lag free, and my Nexus 4 is 88%, and the Asus TF300T is 0%, then the new Nexus 7 is about 75%. It's utterly nowhere near as horrible as the TF300T (which is unusably laggy), but not quite as lag-free as an iPad/iPhone or even a Nexus 4.
tl;dr not lag-free if iOS is the standard, but lag-free compared to previous Asus devices famous for having i/o problems.
Its noticeable coming from the OG N7.
Also the new N7 is supposedly faster then the N4 in all the benchmarks. I don't have an N4 but the benchmarks show a good distance gap between the 2.
This is my first non-tegra tablet and it feels wonderful.
Hopefully my Galaxy Nexus can get some benefit from 4.3. Its been horribly sluggish lately. Its a work phone with minimal apps. I'll try the lag fix on it.
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I would think that a great way to find out whether its any better than the 1st gen N7 is to completely fill the new N7 up with a bunch of movies, magazines, music, etc. and see if it glitches out and lags. Thats how I would test it out first. But I don't have one yet.
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Coming from Asus TF300T, which is incredibly, unbearably slow and laggy due to i/o problems, this was a huge concern for me.
Set and setting: I've been using it all day now, have 4 games installed and played, lots of facebook and chrome and youtube. My personal benchmark test is to open everything I use, use it for a few minutes, and then download something while browsing the internet and the facebook app.
Results: If my iPad 4 is 100% lag free, and my Nexus 4 is 88%, and the Asus TF300T is 0%, then the new Nexus 7 is about 75%. It's utterly nowhere near as horrible as the TF300T (which is unusably laggy), but not quite as lag-free as an iPad/iPhone or even a Nexus 4.
tl;dr not lag-free if iOS is the standard, but lag-free compared to previous Asus devices famous for having i/o problems.
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Off topic, but there's an AOKP based ROM that helps phenomenally with the lag. I have yet to notice any while using it. Just my two pennies.
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Getting back to the fstrim, does that mean that it's finally been implemented properly, and that apps like LagFix will no longer be necessary *in theory*?