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Bada 2.0 in India in July

And it is July now
Here's the post I found http://archiverabhinav.blogspot.com/2011/04/samsung-bada-2-launch-announced-for.html

no wonder i have somewhere read that bada has in india 10 % of market, they are aming to countries that like bada, germany as i am using its firmwares will get it i think as last, the people there dont like bada and putting it down on every forum.
maybe it is better so, india has more oses to choose and we are sitting on only two to choose, yepee.

Lol that is old news
after that samsung shifted to september

kadavil said:
Lol that is old news
after that samsung shifted to september
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lol
as i remember they said on mwc that the sdk will come on july and bada 2.0 on september for wave and waveII.
and this news is from april. I dont know also the pictures are from this guy here that postet the first bada 2.0 pictures, this is not a long time ago.

In April, they said bada 2.0 will come to India in July..
few weeks later, a tweet from them said September

Thanks Kadavil for info..( btw are u the same kadavil who is on badaforums? )

flopsyyy said:
Thanks Kadavil for info..( btw are u the same kadavil who is on badaforums? )
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Yes..he is the same kadavil

Maybe they will launch the Wave 578 in July (with Bada 2.0) and the 2.0 FW for Wave and Wave II will be released in September.. That way.. both news will be true
What we can get earlier though is the public beta/ other country versions.

antz.bin said:
Maybe they will launch the Wave 578 in July (with Bada 2.0) and the 2.0 FW for Wave and Wave II will be released in September.. That way.. both news will be true
What we can get earlier though is the public beta/ other country versions.
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Public beta wont be out yet
The closed beta is only about to start and everyone in it is bound by the TOC not to distribute it
Im in the closed beta and the 2.0 SDK is not yet out either so looking at September would be a good indication for the Beta to be out not the release

Well, As i see Bada 2.0 is much awaited. And, I think people who got Android on Wave are soon gonna throw away android and get Bada...Maybe there will be a port of bada into Samsung Galaxy

roxyroot said:
Well, As i see Bada 2.0 is much awaited. And, I think people who got Android on Wave are soon gonna throw away android and get Bada...Maybe there will be a port of bada into Samsung Galaxy
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ha ha it will never happen be sure

lol it is currently happaning, everyone wants bada 2.0 on wave

larioteo said:
lol it is currently happaning, everyone wants bada 2.0 on wave
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Sure. Because of the leaked firmware. But we had the same when the first android build leaked... So I think it's just a matter of personal taste. I'm happy seeing the 2.0.1 leaked, and to be honest I like what I see on the videos. But I won't stop developing Android because of it...

maybe yes, why not? android has his supporters more than enough some bada hackers are always welcome. hack the kernel give us root rights, than you will be more than a hero man. the first person that hacked bada and not the 100000000 person that hacked android.

used bada 2.0 for two hours
liked it... but still want android

larioteo said:
hack the kernel give us root rights, than you will be more than a hero man.
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All is possible.
How would you define root rights? I'm not familiar with the API - what is that functionality that is not accessible?
We all need to be aware that any stick has two ends and privilege escalation may easily lead to malicious usage at some point.

what root rights, you don't have a plan man, why you need root rights? an app can write to media folder over an api that is secure, on android an app can send you data to anywhere with root rights, what is better? every app is possible, a little bit reading the documentation would help, and the protection that noone can hack the apps as easy is for developers a dream on android there are so many illegal stuff, that the small ones doesnt earn anything on it, everybody using android here wants to use illegal software and this is why android is crap, why to develop for such a os, for fun? some people needs to earn money with their coding, what can they say? they all going to ios cause there you can earn much more money, and bada 2.0 is the opponennt of ios not android, android is only a illegal container for me, no interesting stuff in, you must even install a packet counter app to know how much you use internet connection, realy unusable an os that cannot do what my old W800i could do.

Sorry, but I didn't get what you mean. I don't need root rights for anything. I'm not mobile developer, I do research for fun and I honestly don't crave for Android. I was referring to your previous post about bada hacking and just wanted to know what you mean. I definitively could use some reading of the documentation, but it would be by far more convenient if you just answered the question. I support initiatives where people sacrifice their time and don't get into fights between mobile platforms. I do not support warez and do not publish anything leading to developers losses. I can understand your irritation as you (from what I understand) code for living, but try to canalize the emotions in the other direction. I rephrase the question:
Is there a blocked functionality in bada that the developers could potentially use, but it is not usable without certain permissions or access to some resources?

OK rootrights would be in one point nice, to access the internal system and to do some major changes witout custom firmwares or stunes, that is all, if i want to change something or to add my email account backup this would be a nice solution for everyone, all other things i am also not interested in.

We'll see, but I don't suppose it to be a kindergarten play. I should have a bit more time for this in August. Maybe there will be some more Bada 2.0 firmwares to analyze by that time.

Angry Bada 2.0. Time to flip the bird?

I was convinced some weeks back we'd never see Angry Birds for Bada. At least not in a time frame that would breath new life into the Bada app scene.
Then hell froze over and Angry Birds came out, but only for the Wave 3 and only for a few days. As is usual in the Samsung Bada disastersphere, an app just goes missing off the store with no explanation.
Now we've got Asphalt 6, Tintin, Hyperfight, and a few other Bada 2.0 only apps. Oddly most will on Bada 1.2, yet only can be downloaded for Wave 3 handsets. Keep in mind the Wave 3 handset only ever had Bada 2.0. Weird.
Anyway that got me thinking. I had a feeling maybe Samsung was holding back some apps for the release of the Wave 3. Maybe a good idea in their view, but a very poor one in mine. The Wave 3 will never sell as many handsets as the Wave II, let alone the Wave I. So nice move to go lockout all the previous Bada customers who put some faith in the OS, yet ended up again having waited for something and got... nothing.
I had wondered why there hadn't been any new apps from any of the big app companies for the best part of a whole year. Samsung seem to live in a world where they think people are prepared to wait endlessly while they fritter away time. It all makes sense now. Wipe the slate clean, and consider the Wave 1+2 as being testbeds. The Wave 3 is then ready to rule to world in their eyes. Thus they kept back these marque apps to help launch their Wave 3.
The problem is I still don't see any movement from app developers. Things are moving way to slow for any momentum to be made or for the early 8500 momentum to be kept going.
No matter how good Bada 2.0 is, Samsung simply cannot get anything done in a timely manner. It's not as though, hey guys we're sorry we need to polish a few things, and then it explodes all in an awesome way. No it'll be the same as we've all experienced so far. Waiting, promises of soon, leaks of things that will never get released, and enough carrots to keep people around just that little bit longer. But really it's sad a great handset has been killed by incredibly bad app store management, the slowness in how things were released, or even it at all. The low number of ported apps hurt the Wave as well. It's not that hard for a proper app company to port an app from the iOS/Android. I mean they get to use all the same art/sounds and most of the internal game code. So it has to come down to them not expressing interest, been turned off by Samsungs app policies or not seeing Bada as worth their time / or worth investing in a sinking/dying OS.
Bada 2.0 is goog enough to be the 3rd best phone OS imho. But the lack of apps ie. Skype will mean it will fail until such a time as Samsung either ditch it (Tizen perhaps?) or realise they do need to get marque apps and ports happening in abundance. At the end of the day I wouldn't care if I was using an iOS/Android or Bada phone as long as I was given a nice wide app selection. But I'm sick of this waiting feeling knowing we're just sitting there in the rowboat with no oars heading towards the falls.
At this point unless things change, people are already actually ditching their Waves and heading over to iOS/Android. I still hope the BadaDroid project turns out to be a success, but if not, in time I'm not going to give a toss and will just get a proper phone instead of using a phone that could have been one of the greats, but was knee capped at every opportunity to make it a failure.

Sorry. I have not complete read text...
Too much input for my little brain.
BUTTTtttt, please stop crying...
There are several solutions available NOW AND in progress...
Please, don't be LAZY or crying whole day like an baby...
This S A C K z.
Move your bu ehm brain and use it...
Summary. You can download AND install S8600 Apps...
This is forum to bypass problems or find solution.
This is NOT wait for solution forum. Or wimpy and lazy chat forum...
All days like an little 5 years old girl in pink outfit...
Technical discussion of Bada development and hacking. No noobs please.
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Please moderators, can someone add text... NO crying.
Best Regards

I totally agree with Adfree
Please develop apps , Think how stuff work & Try to train your brain
At the end you will be able to hack the system
Also remember bada is not going around Angry birds....S8600 apps are installable on WVGA devices....Every system is not totally secure even PS3
Just please try to understand
Best Regards

I think you guys missed the point. I'm well aware of the workarounds and ways to get apps to "work". My point is it's disappointing that it comes to this. It's not as though there are 1000s of apps for the S8600 and with workarounds you can make em all work on the 8500. I'm totally ok with that. The problem is we aren't getting the apps in the first place. I've spent plenty of time helping others create programs and solutions for the Wave over the past year and a half.
My enthusiasm is waning if I'm being honest about this whole Bada experience. The amount of time and energy spent to even get a proper Skype on the Wave would have been better spent working a few extra hours and buying a proper Android phone. I see Bada now as nothing more than a dike full of holes. I've already used up all my fingers to plug them and it's still leaking.
Oh and maybe guys at least make the effort to read someones full post before assuming they are a lazy noob crybaby. Best Regards.

mylove90 said:
I totally agree with Adfree
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Well I don't agree!
You guys are at the point of almost saying "well if you don't get firmware updates often enough and if you don't get enough useful apps, start developing your own and hack your phone and scratch your left ear with your right hand going over your head.."
What would be next? Build your own hardware if you don't like the specifications? Isn't that a bit.. hmm, how should I say it... CRAZY?
Is that why you took the money out of your pocket and gave it to Samsung? To get some piece of hardware and start banging your head against the wall each day on how to actually do something with it?
If things were to ever change, they would change because of "5 year old girls in pink outfits crying" and saying "Samsung, we paid you so deliver or GTFO of the marketplace". Not because of "cool computer whizzes" spending nights in their room hacking their phone to make it smart.
Fact: compared to 2010, in 2011 Samsung mobile phone sales increased by ~7% reaching 300.000.000 units (8.000.000 running Bada and we know how things are on this side..)
Fact: compared to 2010, in 2011 Samsung's profit increased by 73% (I don't think that's due to entry level phones - since a 7% volume increase gives you a 73% profit increase that means you sold more expensive phones than the previous year)
Fact: the Galaxy S1 which was the flagship until not long ago won't get the last Android update because Samsung doesn't care about it anymore. It sells the S2 now.. So it motives dropping the support for the S1 by saying it doesn't have enough memory, even though manufacturers like HTC or LG (apparently) did manage to find a compromise and squeeze the extra resources on configurations similar to those of the Galaxy S1.

Although I agree with what KrazyKong is trying to say here, adfree is right. This is the "Bada Software and Hacking General" forum. This is the place where people get off their butts (metaphorically ) and actually do something. If you want ti complain about Samsungs disregard for Bada, there are plenty of other forums where you can do that.

adfree said:
Summary. You can download AND install S8600 Apps...
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Yeah, how? (I wrote you a letter I dunno you get it or not) I'm a noob in programming, so if you tell us step-by-step how to install S8600 apps on your Wave S8500 handset that would be lovely.

Ok guys
Stop Asking how to get S8600 Apps
Making a developer/hacker angry won't be nice
Please try the other way...I mean hacking Kies to make it connect S8500 as S8600
Please try to use your brain...If you are a regular user just step back and let real developers and hackers do their job
Best Regards

Now we've got Asphalt 6, Tintin, Hyperfight, and a few other Bada 2.0 only apps.
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Tintin NOT runs under bada 1.2 ...
Asphalt also not bada 1.x compatible...
Hyperfight you can run under bada 1.0
You can find some answers here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1345375
Please... at the moment I'll try to find solution to use Kies.
So I have no time to answer every PM...
Best Regards

adfree said:
Tintin NOT runs under bada 1.2 ...
Asphalt also not bada 1.x compatible...
Hyperfight you can run under bada 1.0
You can find some answers here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1345375
Please... at the moment I'll try to find solution to use Kies.
So I have no time to answer every PM...
Best Regards
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What about angry birds?

What about angry birds?
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No idea...
It was only VERY, very short for S8600 available...
Then "they" removed this Game from store.
Only h.e.ll and Samsung knows why...
If again available... we will see.
Best Regards

once removed from store apps never return
examples of past:_ brucelee, kroll etc

Don't be angry too...
In German we have:
Alles wird gut.
Heavy Metal Music for little bit relaxing and crying if you like.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bNiBwNw4Cs&feature=related
Best Regards

now fruit ninja disappears from indian appstore

waveboy said:
now fruit ninja disappears from indian appstore
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yes, i wanted to download it today in college and it was missing

hi guys ....i just moved from wildfire to wave 2 .....sooooo
do you advise upgrading my wave 2 from bada 1.2 to 2.0?

I would have advised staying with your wildfire, but anyway I'd suggest making sure you know which specific device you have and if it's locked or has specific modem requirements before flashing 2.0, for example, you said wave 2, do you mean S8530 or the other mid-low range bada phone?
Sent from my GT-S5660

I too agree with KrazyKong. He puts his finger right on the button in pointing out the way samsung deal with their app store...
Agreed, Adfree points out XDA is a place where we can effectively get off our arses but I think we at XDA aren't 'normal' phone users. How many of us are 'that guy(or girl) that knows telephones' ?
Also ask yourself this, what percentage of iPhone users tinker as we do with our phones? Oh and do Apple or Google for that matter bugger about with their app store as do Samsung ?
It's Samsung that are entirely to blame for the non-success of Bada.
The reason there's no Skype, blame Samsung.
No Angry Birds, Blame Samsung.
I do however give them credit for leaking firmware, If only they would leak more precise information about their modem
Cheers

Will WP7 devices today lose features when upgraded to WP8? I'm worried.

So it is pretty much confirmed that Windows Phone 8 will use the Windows 8 ARM kernel, and Windows Phone 8 will be compatible with apps for Windows Phone 7/7.5. This is true because most WP apps today are written in Silverlight or XNA, which does not care what kernel the OS uses as long as there's an interpreter for the compiled code. Only a few apps use native code that needs to be recompiled for Windows Phone 8.
But what about the hardware drivers and OEM customizations on our phones? OEMs are mandated to use Qualcomm processors, but they can use whatever brand of camera modules and sensors as long as the drivers are there. Special camera modes and functions are provided by the phone OEM which I believe is low level enough, they are written in native code. Special functions not provided by Windows Phone 7 itself, such as DLNA or SRS Sound Enhancer, are also likely to be native code.
How can these native code intended for the Windows CE 6 kernel survive a kernel change to Windows 8 ARM? Will the OEMs rework their stuff to support Windows Phone 8? Or will we lose the OEM features when we upgrade to WP8? Will there be devices stuck in WP7.x forever because crucial hardware drivers (e.g. driver for the camera and sensors) aren't available for WP8?

Who knows. But the only existing rumor that would give an answer to your query is that no single WP7 device will ever be updated to Apollo, so no features will be lost.

vangrieg said:
Who knows. But the only existing rumor that would give an answer to your query is that no single WP7 device will ever be updated to Apollo, so no features will be lost.
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WTF you smoking?
The rumor is that ALL EXISTING windows phone 7 devices including 1st generation will update to apollo. They may however not have all the features if hardware requires them. Tango brings support for lowerend handsets and will update to apollo. If your carrier doesn't roll out the update, look for it in the send cab thread and load it yourself. They are ms stock updates so no worries about a hacked version.

I didn't say that's what I think or believe. There hasn't been any official info on the upgrade path whatsoever. The only information was that WP7 apps would work on WP8. Which, come to think of it, doesn't say anything about current device upgradeability.
The rumor is that there won't be any upgrades. Take it as a rumor, I'm not trying to endorse it in any way, just acknowledging it exists.
I personally would give it some credit but not in the sense the source implies. I'd say he's playing. WP7 devices may never get "Apollo" which is this unicorn WP based on NT kernel, but from the end user perspective all you need is Apollo runtimes ported to WP7. So you'll have most of the WP8 experience on WP7 without running WP8. And of course you'd keep your beloved HTC hub and such stuff on your current device.
But all that is my speculation, not founded on any solid data.

http://wmpoweruser.com/tag/apollo/
The rumors are false. No one has actually said but it would be logical that it would... especially for 2nd gen handsets.

vangrieg said:
I didn't say that's what I think or believe. There hasn't been any official info on the upgrade path whatsoever. The only information was that WP7 apps would work on WP8. Which, come to think of it, doesn't say anything about current device upgradeability.
The rumor is that there won't be any upgrades. Take it as a rumor, I'm not trying to endorse it in any way, just acknowledging it exists.
I personally would give it some credit but not in the sense the source implies. I'd say he's playing. WP7 devices may never get "Apollo" which is this unicorn WP based on NT kernel, but from the end user perspective all you need is Apollo runtimes ported to WP7. So you'll have most of the WP8 experience on WP7 without running WP8. And of course you'd keep your beloved HTC hub and such stuff on your current device.
But all that is my speculation, not founded on any solid data.
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I've been spending half my net time today trying to find an answer for this question. I've resisted putting WP7 on my HD2, but it's slowly dying, and my contract ends in a couple of months, so I'm researching the best options now, only to find that I may yet again be buying another obsolete OS as WP8 is due in Q4. My problem is to buy the phone with the best hardware, which isn't much different to the lowest spec in WP7, and then upgrade the OS when it's released, or to buy a 1st gen phone cheap on a shorter contract so that my time on WP7 is limited and I can get a new WP8 phone a while later. Hopefully MS will announce something soon...
WMPoweruser has these pages-
We [MS]were pretty clear on this. Any app built today will run on next major Windows Phone version.
microsoft-needs-to-reassure-windows-phone-7-buyers-their-phones-are-upgradable
do not base a whole rumour on only something Eldar say
windows-phone-roadmap

because of the newer phones coming out though prolly what i would do is pick up a cheap surround or focus off ebay to get you buy (they are less then 100.00) and use your upgrade on a premium phone on release. Apollo is bringing multicore phones so you won't see them until then since pre-apollo doesn't support them. Once it's released, if you 1st gen makes it, sell it and you'll get your 100 bucks back with apollo already on it. If it doesn't, well you still haven't used your upgrade so you can get a new phone at a low cost with contract renewal.

bbobeckyj said:
I've resisted putting WP7 on my HD2, but it's slowly dying, and my contract ends in a couple of months, so I'm researching the best options now, only to find that I may yet again be buying another obsolete OS as WP8 is due in Q4.
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Also, remember that Mobile World Congress runs from 27 February to 1 March. There will probably be more information coming out around that time.
Here's another article (published in November) from a former Microsoft distinguished engineer.
http://hal2020.com/2011/11/04/windows-phone-8-and-windows-8-cousins-or-siblings/
His opinion was:
It is likely WP8 will run on first generation WP phones, and near certain it will work on the second generation (those that initially ship with) WP7.5 Microsoft wants a reputation of being as end-user friendly as Apple and so will not drop updates on older phones until their is a technological reason to do so. Plus it isn’t likely to want to piss people off who are sill in a 2-year contract period, which will be the case with most of the installed base. So I don’t see WP8 as a reason to wait. Now if you already have a first gen device (e.g., Samsung Focus) you might want to skip the second gen (e.g., Focus S) and see what happens next summer or fall.
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At the moment, I haven't seen any compelling evidence about WP8 upgrades one way or the other.

I don't think they will even have a beta for it this year, i would say they would push it out by this time next year, maybe we will get something from MIX13?

ROCOAFZ said:
because of the newer phones coming out though prolly what i would do is pick up a cheap surround or focus off ebay to get you buy (they are less then 100.00) and use your upgrade on a premium phone on release. Apollo is bringing multicore phones so you won't see them until then since pre-apollo doesn't support them. Once it's released, if you 1st gen makes it, sell it and you'll get your 100 bucks back with apollo already on it. If it doesn't, well you still haven't used your upgrade so you can get a new phone at a low cost with contract renewal.
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No such luck, nothing is going that cheaply in England, and the shortest contract on a new phone is for 18 months. I've got about 2 months to go, hopefully we'll know more by then, and the Titan 2 and Lumia 900 are due out soon after that...

The first Gen devices will be updated, just like the iPhone 3GS is still updated (released in 2009 and just got iOS5).

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The first Gen devices will be updated, just like the iPhone 3GS is still updated (released in 2009 and just got iOS5).
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Do you know this for a fact, or is it just what you think will happen?
If the former, do you have a source?
If the latter, I would like to agree, and my gut feeling is the same. But this being microsoft you can't assume too much.

bbobeckyj said:
Do you know this for a fact, or is it just what you think will happen?
If the former, do you have a source?
If the latter, I would like to agree, and my gut feeling is the same. But this being microsoft you can't assume too much.
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you folks have craigslist ( or similar local for-sale listings ?) in england ? that's where i buy and sell my handsets. generally they're between 1/2 to 1/4 of the new price at a store, and you have hands-on experience before handing off the cash.
anyway, as to the update rumors and assumptions... i wouldn't trust any of them until it's in hand. not one.

ohgood said:
you folks have craigslist ( or similar local for-sale listings ?) in england ? that's where i buy and sell my handsets. generally they're between 1/2 to 1/4 of the new price at a store, and you have hands-on experience before handing off the cash.
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We do have craigslist, but it's not anywhere near the same size as the US site, it's next to useless outside of the major urban areas like London. eBay is more popular and even that has very few WP7 items for sale. The ones on sale are still quite expensive, I'm watching less than ten, all first gen, and I expect all will end at well over £100. There are also not many different models, a few HD7s, one or two others, but most are not listed. Also the sim only contracts are barely cheaper them the ones with the phones, the major difference is that the contracts are shorter. Do that negates the cost savings from buying second hand.

At the very list 2nd Gen devices (ship with Mango) will get a one form of the update. Can't say i'm as sure about 1st Gen devices though. However i'd imagine MS wants to reward their loyal users (1st Gen owners) so they may also get a toned down version of the update too.

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We do have craigslist, but it's not anywhere near the same size as the US site, it's next to useless outside of the major urban areas like London. eBay is more popular and even that has very few WP7 items for sale. The ones on sale are still quite expensive, I'm watching less than ten, all first gen, and I expect all will end at well over £100. There are also not many different models, a few HD7s, one or two others, but most are not listed. Also the sim only contracts are barely cheaper them the ones with the phones, the major difference is that the contracts are shorter. Do that negates the cost savings from buying second hand.
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Understood, good info here- thanked

I'm more worried about something else. What will happen if Microsoft puts out an anti piracy software like Windows advantage, and every flashed device, (caused by update fails, or theetering needs) will be banned or simply not updated?? the most of people, who flashed their devices, don't have a backup of their original rom.... I'm really worried about this, I hate to hack my phone to get it work proper!!!

XxAndrexX said:
I'm more worried about something else. What will happen if Microsoft puts out an anti piracy software like Windows advantage, and every flashed device, (caused by update fails, or theetering needs) will be banned or simply not updated?? the most of people, who flashed their devices, don't have a backup of their original rom.... I'm really worried about this, I hate to hack my phone to get it work proper!!!
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don't worry, there is no benefit to doing that. all it would do is cause terribly bad publicity, and millions of customer dissupport calls.

XxAndrexX said:
I'm more worried about something else. What will happen if Microsoft puts out an anti piracy software like Windows advantage, and every flashed device, (caused by update fails, or theetering needs) will be banned or simply not updated?? the most of people, who flashed their devices, don't have a backup of their original rom.... I'm really worried about this, I hate to hack my phone to get it work proper!!!
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there already is a form of this, but its only triggered when it's detected that WP is being installed on a device it wasn't designed for. Like an android or WM device for example and the very early builds did encounter it.

A major MAJOR advantage WP7 has over Android is not being fragmented. Why would they throw that away? That seems stupid.
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7.8 Features

So basically what we are going to get is just the "new" start screen? nothing else? like maps powered by nokia, skype integration?

I would love to know too. Almost sold my Lumia already, but I dont know which phone I get instead it. I'll keep it for a while.
Guess we will know in a few days, no one knows it right now.

Paul Thurrott has a write-up about this here:
http://www.winsupersite.com/article/windowsphone75/windows-phone-78-preview-143476

Wait.. No multitasking? Nor Skype integrated!?!?

Seems like MS is doing everything to loose these 1-2% of the smartphones market...

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1722502

I wont buy another windows phone anymore! I liked windows phone so much, but microsoft disappoint me with no updates for first generation devices. If the old phones would also get the new kernel, app-compability and skype-integration, then would it be enough. But Microsoft is ****ing stupid and dropps the little amount of windows phone users in only one day!

luizmeme said:
So basically what we are going to get is just the "new" start screen? nothing else? like maps powered by nokia, skype integration?
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I just contacted the WinPhoneSupport:
http://www.twitter.com/WinPhoneSupport/status/215556734205435904
@WinPhoneSupport: @ChrisK91 The only thing announced for 7.8 is the change of the start screen. ^EB
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ruyzalim said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1722502
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It's a stupid marketing bull**** from MS guy... This Belfiore guy wrote:
Windows Phone 8 is a generation shift in technology, which means that it will not run on existing hardware. BUT we care deeply about our existing customers and want to keep their phones fresh, so we’re providing the new Start screen in this new update.
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It's a complete bull****! "shift in technology"... He should try Galaxy S III first!
But the facts are:
- MS just made stupidest decision in a years. Probably next 5 month WP7 sales will fall to 0.
- also, I'm expecting the app developers (as I am) will stop developing new stuff for "outdated" WP7 platform;
- it's a painful blow to manufacturers, especially to Nokia! Who will buy "gorgeous Lumia 900" now if it become outdated old piece of hardware so shortly? Check ebay in few days - Lumia 900 price will be bellow $200...
- and, finally, the most important thing: Microsoft has lost the trust and loyalty of customers. Who will spend money for "brand new" WP8 if next year they will announce WP9?
So, my conclusion: it's a very good time to sell MS stocks right now! Don't wait and risk your money...

freddx said:
I wont buy another windows phone anymore! I liked windows phone so much, but microsoft disappoint me with no updates for first generation devices. If the old phones would also get the new kernel, app-compability and skype-integration, then would it be enough. But Microsoft is ****ing stupid and dropps the little amount of windows phone users in only one day!
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Calm down... Don't you know what a kernel change means? It's like installing linux over windows on your PC. The OEM would start from scratch, rewrite every driver on the device (cpu, gpu, display, buttons, touch, accelerometer, compass, bluetooth, wlan... And the list goes on forever), that would take about 9 months at least. The OEM would loose more money than it would get.

jessenic said:
Calm down... Don't you know what a kernel change means? It's like installing linux over windows on your PC. The OEM would start from scratch, rewrite every driver on the device (cpu, gpu, display, buttons, touch, accelerometer, compass, bluetooth, wlan... And the list goes on forever), that would take about 9 months at least. The OEM would loose more money than it would get.
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Sorry I was in rage....but an update with more features would be nice The "old" hardware can do more than only a new start screen. Apple even gives a iOS6 lite to the 3Gs and all appstore-apps are compatible...

sensboston said:
It's a stupid marketing bull**** from MS guy... This Belfiore guy wrote:
It's a complete bull****! "shift in technology"... He should try Galaxy S III first!
But the facts are:
- MS just made stupidest decision in a years. Probably next 5 month WP7 sales will fall to 0.
- also, I'm expecting the app developers (as I am) will stop developing new stuff for "outdated" WP7 platform;
- it's a painful blow to manufacturers, especially to Nokia! Who will buy "gorgeous Lumia 900" now if it become outdated old piece of hardware so shortly? Check ebay in few days - Lumia 900 price will be bellow $200...
- and, finally, the most important thing: Microsoft has lost the trust and loyalty of customers. Who will spend money for "brand new" WP8 if next year they will announce WP9?
So, my conclusion: it's a very good time to sell MS stocks right now! Don't wait and risk your money...
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You shouldn't sell MS stocks right now, because of one developer summit. Of course, there are a lot of disappointed users (including me) about the way MS took. But I don't think that every point in your list is valid. I doubt that WP7 sales will drop to 0. There are a lot of people buying phones based on feel. However I guess the WP7 sales will decrease in the coming months. At least the sales of new expensive devices like the Titan or Lumia 900. I also expect the prices of current handsets to drop over a few days.
Microsofts course could harm Nokia, I totally agree. When they made Nokia Drive available to every device, Nokia lost a unique selling point. One of the reasons why I bought a Lumia 800 was the free navigation. I'm expecting that Nokia's stock will drop even further in the coming days, if there aren't any new announcements that "improve" the current situation.
I also get that developers will target new phones. However how do you develop for Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8? Most likely with C# and the .Net framework. And guess what? You can run .Net based Apps on Windows Phone 7 as well. But at first I was also skeptical about this question and asked it in a Nokia Conversations discussion. The answer of a Nokia employee is attached.
the most important thing: Microsoft has lost the trust and loyalty of customers.
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I totally agree. However they can gain (at least my) trust back by providing not only the new start screen, but other improvements as well. The rumored new notification system comes to mind.
All in all I guess this announcement did not resolve the current update situation. In a nutshell MS stated that WP8 will be based on a new kernel and that this new kernel won't come to existing devices. Most of the new announcements were hardware related. One of the software things is the start screen, and this one is coming in Windows Phone 7.8. Did did not say, that this start screen is the only thing in this update. As stated above, MS should release (and continue releasing) updates that add WP8 functionality to WP7.
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Calm down... Don't you know what a kernel change means? It's like installing linux over windows on your PC. The OEM would start from scratch, rewrite every driver on the device (cpu, gpu, display, buttons, touch, accelerometer, compass, bluetooth, wlan... And the list goes on forever), that would take about 9 months at least. The OEM would loose more money than it would get.
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Well it's of course expensive. But if Microsoft stays coherent with the kernel they could most likely reuse the code in the future. But I think the problem is hardware related. On one side there are the NFC features. Also the SecureBoot can't be integrated (at least AFAIK) only software vise. They have special hardware requirements and current phones don't meet them. Then again, the current CPUs are very fast and can run the Windows Phone 7.8 experience.

Chris, you are optimistic guy (and it's OK!) but I believe we do have more points for pessimism now...
What's happened - it's not a hardware-related but just marketing (read - stupid marketing!) issue. Microsoft is copying Apple's strategy now (probably they planned to sell own MS handsets) but without Steve Jobs magic it's hopeless...
MS public persons explanations - it's a bull****, don't trust 'em! It's like a "4 GB limitation of x86 OS'es" (what is an outrageous lie). I'm 99% sure it's happened because of two reasons:
- they want to "save" (he-he) some money for dropping old handsets support ;
- but the primary reason (I think so): they want to sell their own handsets
Also, unsuccessful WP7 marketing campaign during last two years should open our eyes...
I'd like to be optimistic but...

@sensbottom: let me correct your two mistakes there:
a) 4GB is really limit of 32bit operating systems. PAE requires the applications to support it => almost none do.
b) Supporting another system takes more money than upgrading them to the same one. Long term.

@OndaTer, first of all, I'm sensboston (Boston - it's a city on the East cost of US)
Second, read this: http://www.unawave.de/windows-7-tipps/32-bit-ram-barrier.html?lang=EN You may google for more if you want...
Third, what do you mean by "another system"? What "another" system? WP8 devices will have same CPU (arm) as current handsets; of course, adding support of current handsets should cost some money! But loosing the trust (finally) is much more expensive, you'll see it by the end of this month (even week). Just mark today's MS stock price...

Sorry, I always read it that way
a) Yes, it is called PAE, which is exactly what I wrote. Read it again! It is NOT possible to address >4GB with 32bit addresses. PAE uses 36bit addressing, but the application HAS to be compiled to be able to support the extra space!
b) "It is more money consuming (long term) to work on 7.8 line and 8.0+ line."
// I mean - application itself has only 4GB virtual space. Yes, the rest of the system can move the base of each application and thus use >4GB RAM. But note that also drivers must support it and that's why it is usually targetted at servers and it is disabled on desktops!
// ah I see what you mean - I thought that they removed it after SP2 or SP3 of XP (the issues with driver compatibility with PAE enabled).

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Chris, you are optimistic guy (and it's OK!) but I believe we do have more points for pessimism now...
What's happened - it's not a hardware-related but just marketing (read - stupid marketing!) issue. Microsoft is copying Apple's strategy now (probably they planned to sell own MS handsets) but without Steve Jobs magic it's hopeless...
MS public persons explanations - it's a bull****, don't trust 'em! It's like a "4 GB limitation of x86 OS'es" (what is an outrageous lie). I'm 99% sure it's happened because of two reasons:
- they want to "save" (he-he) some money for dropping old handsets support ;
- but the primary reason (I think so): they want to sell their own handsets
Also, unsuccessful WP7 marketing campaign during last two years should open our eyes...
I'd like to be optimistic but...
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Well, we don't really have a choice here. I cannot return my phone and I have to live with it until 2013. At the moment we should wait what Microsoft announces about the 7.8 update. The Nokia Conversations Post mentioned multiple changes in the Windows Phone 7.8 update. They also reassured that they will stay committed to delivering updates. And it's not like that our phones will suddenly stop to work. Everything will be as integrated as before.

ChrisKringel said:
Well, we don't really have a choice here. I cannot return my phone and I have to live with it until 2013. At the moment we should wait what Microsoft announces about the 7.8 update. The Nokia Conversations Post mentioned multiple changes in the Windows Phone 7.8 update. They also reassured that they will stay committed to delivering updates. And it's not like that our phones will suddenly stop to work. Everything will be as integrated as before.
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THIS!
Im a little annoyed that my titan wont get the full WP8 update but im sure it will still get some new features! they've only shown WP8 once so far at a dev summit and people are saying they are going to sell there phones its mad! also i dont get people complaining that there first gen phones are getting WP8! they will be 2 years old!!! You are getting a update like apple would basically so stop complaining! If you were on android you would be out in the cold with a two year old handset most likely

WP 7.5 lacks a lot of features and we're going to be left out just like that.
This is just great. It's been like 6 months since I bought my phone and it's already outdated. Thank you MS. My phone is now nothing but a brick!

luizmeme said:
WP 7.5 lacks a lot of features and we're going to be left out just like that.
This is just great. It's been like 6 months since I bought my phone and it's already outdated. Thank you MS. My phone is now nothing but a brick!
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ok your getting a WP7.8 update arent you? you dont know what thats going to contain yet! also by the time this comes out your phone will actually be 12 months old almost and oh yes last time i checked the phone isnt suddenly going to stop working is it!

Join The Protest - We Want Tizen for Samsung Wave

Its an appeal to Every Bada site to join in and just do something for Bada Community. Today as soon as the Facebook,twitter, YouTube and google+ page of Samsung gets the update of Samsung Galaxy S4,we will start our movement.
What we have to do
If you are the first one to comment on that Page then just write. “We want Tizen for Samsung wave” And write your demands as you wrote on our site. Then like your own comment and After that see if their is any similar comment on top that is having many likes then like that comment too.
If Samsung starts deleting our comments then everyone should post their comment after every hour if possible. So that there are too many comments to so get irritated and finally answer to or quires. Also spread this news across technology sites like eg cnet ,engadget, tech2 or any other sites so that we can get some media attention.
FACEBOOK PAGE: HTTP://WWW.FACEBOOK.COM/SAMSUNGMOBILE
Youtube Page: http://www.youtube.com/SamsungMobile
Twitter Page :https://twitter.com/SamsungMobile
Google Plus :https://plus.google.com/+SamsungMobile/posts
Please this is our last chance to do anything for our samsung wave devices so please try your best and try to involve some of your friends so that we can get what we want.
Hope This Works and Samsung answers our question and Brings Tizen to Samsung wave devices.
Source: http://badahub.com/2013/03/we-want-tizen-for-samsung-wave-movement-starts.html

But Tizen is at the moment bul.s..., because NOT finally finished nor released for public market.
Btw... Tizen seems Hardware hungry for more RAM...
We can't upgrade our RAM in Wave...
This is 1 of K.O. Points...
Second Kick in the Face...
You will likely see the first smartphone using Tizen from Samsung in the third quarter of this year.
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In S.ms.ng time this means end of 2013... Maybe Christmas time...
Maybe 2014...
What we do with our Waves over 6 months...
Btw...
How many petitions you can remember with success? for bada...
Good luck.

Not gonna work. They will delete the posts. Simple as that. The last resort for our waves is only BADADROID or maybe Tizen Port ?

must tizen
we must tizen

tizen is not needed for wave 1 and 2. android is almost finished

GreekBlood said:
tizen is not needed for wave 1 and 2. android is almost finished
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The goal of the protest is not necessarily Tizen, but any kind of support we deserve.
7.5 million new customers in the second half of 2012 were abandoned by Samsung!

Better its ask Wave source
Tizen or Bada ?
Prefered they continue Bada !!!

S4...S3....S2....galaxy will reach S75 maybe....but what about BADA,what about TIZEN?????What about me and some other million people????
This is my post on Samsung's facebook page

Tigrouzen said:
Better its ask Wave source
Tizen or Bada ?
Prefered they continue Bada !!!
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As I Said,
The goal of the protest is not necessarily Tizen, but any kind of support we deserve.
7.5 million new customers in the second half of 2012 were abandoned by Samsung!