Has anyone in the world successfully connected to a 64QAM 21mbps HSPA+ network, and achieved more than 15mbps on a speedtest?
I've been using T-Mobile in NYC and 21/42mbps network is active, but I can never see 64QAM frames, therefore my speedtest cap at just about 14.4mbps.
I know AT&T doesn't even have 64QAM active.
Anyone on Rogers, Telus, Videotron, Vodaphone, Testra, Telia, etc that have seen speed tests higher than 15mbps, please post them with your carrier/location!
Thank you!
howardforums has countless tests in their Rogers and Bell subforums. I have also seen numerous 15mbps+ tests in the TMOUSA forum over there as well.
Rogers, Telus/Bell, and TMOUSA all use 64qam when possible.
reuthermonkey said:
howardforums has countless tests in their Rogers and Bell subforums. I have also seen numerous 15mbps+ tests in the TMOUSA forum over there as well.
Rogers, Telus/Bell, and TMOUSA all use 64qam when possible.
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I've been using it on T-Mobile's network since November, have yet to see anything over 14.4mbps. Started to question the radio and the baseband.
Gonna check out those forums. I cant remember seeing anything on Howardforums, please link me if you can.
Thanks.
milan03 said:
I've been using it on T-Mobile's network since November, have yet to see anything over 14.4mbps. Started to question the radio and the baseband.
Gonna check out those forums. I cant remember seeing anything on Howardforums, please link me if you can.
Thanks.
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end-user results aren't really indicative of tower technology. HSPA+ can and will drop down to 16QAM depending on connection quality, tower load, etc - 64QAM is of course the ideal for the spec. That said, it's known that ATT has deployed only 14mbps HSDPA in many areas, while other areas have true 21mbps HSPA+.
I'm not on my normal computer, so i don't have the links handy, but they're both relatively active, and I know have been within the past couple weeks with some newer LTE results.
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end-user results aren't really indicative of tower technology. HSPA+ can and will drop down to 16QAM depending on connection quality, tower load, etc - 64QAM is of course the ideal for the spec. That said, it's known that ATT has deployed only 14mbps HSDPA in many areas, while other areas have true 21mbps HSPA+.
I'm not on my normal computer, so i don't have the links handy, but they're both relatively active, and I know have been within the past couple weeks with some newer LTE results.
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I've been testing T-Mobile's network exclusively late nights under the tower -30dBm for the past 4 months, have never grabbed a single 64QAM frame on my GN. AT&T the same way. In markets I've tested, using momentum 4G LTE/HSPA+ modem, I'm exclusively seeing 14.4mbps action. Which AT&T markets are 64QAM?
For well over a year now Sprint customers have been dealing with sluggish 3G and 4G WiMAX data speeds. Network woes for America’s third largest wireless carrier have worsened over the past six months or so, as the carrier’s outdated WiMAX 4G offerings were halted in an effort to focus on building a new 4G LTE network. While this decision has good intentions, it has left the bulk of Sprint’s customers stranded on its old, overcrowded CDMA 3G network. However, all hope may not be lost for Sprint and its customers, as the troubled carrier has pledged to deploy its new LTE services by mid-2012, which is literally a couple of weeks away. Set to hit Atlanta, Baltimore, Houston, Dallas, Kansas City, and San Antonio, the question remains if Sprint’s new network setup can hold its own with already established 4G LTE from its competition.
In an effort to answer this burning question, PCMag recently spent some candid time with Sprint’s new LTE network and ran several tests comparing it to both Verizon’s and AT&T’s LTE services. The tests were conducted in Atlanta, Georgia in five different locations using a “specially provisioned” LG Viper 4G LTE phone and a PC Mag’s in-house Sensorly app, along with Ookla’s Speedtest.net app.
The results reveal that Sprint’s LTE is indeed fast, but not quite as fast as peak speeds seen on AT&T’s and Verizon’s networks. This is to be expected, due to Sprint decision to use 5MHz channels band instead of the 10MHz channels that its competition uses. However, the networks still appear to be very competitive. Using the Sensorly speed test app in four different test locations, PCMag found that Sprint’s network produced an average download speed between 9 and 13Mbps, which is on a par with AT&T’s 5MHz channel LTE. Sprint’s download speeds peaked at 26.5Mbps, which also remained competitive with AT&T’s peak 5MHz speeds of around 27.8Mbps.
Surprisingly Sprint’s network speeds were comparable to Verizon’s 10MHz setup, but keep in mind that Verizon’s network is already used by its customers, while Sprint’s was near empty and in a controlled testing environment. In regards to upload speeds, Sprint’s LTE averaged 2.19Mbps, which remained consistant with its own WiMAX 4G, AT&T’s LTE, T-Mobile HSPA+, but was still slower than Verizon.
Obviously focused on LTE, Sprint is aggressively pushing new LTE-capable phones such as the Galaxy Nexus, LG Viper, and HTC EVO 4G LTE, but as it stands these new devices are stuck in the mud on Sprint’s 3G network until its 4G LTE network goes live for customers. While Sprint has committed to a midyear LTE deployment, the carrier has remained coy about its complete network release schedule. This restrictive strategy places a great deal of Sprint’s customers in the dark about their network’s future, and the carrier runs the risk of losing customers to existing LTE networks offered by its competitors.
While Sprint continues to remain in network limbo, its biggest beacon of hope for its customers is its noted commitment to true unlimited data. This is something that its major competitors have abandoned and will likely be Sprint’s saving grace if the carrier’s data speeds are attractive to consumers. However, if Sprint doesn’t deliver on its promises sooner than later, the only speed the carrier will be experiencing is a rapid loss of existing customers.
Source:http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2405675,00.asp
Good article and nice find, but...
Did you paraphrase the article?
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Good article and nice find, but...
Did you paraphrase the article?
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The article is from techno Buffalo but they were not the actual testers so I put the original source if somebody wanted to read the full article
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Well its a win win when lte is live everywhere it will be easing congestion but otherwise if people leave in droves it will still free resources LOL
But unlimited data is the only thing keeping anyone here anyway
I rather have slow steady unlimited than capped super sonic speeds
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If those are the speeds they're getting with nobody on the network, then that's poor.
Imagine when it actually launches, even in only the 6 initial markets and millions actually start using it...
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If those are the speeds they're getting with nobody on the network, then that's poor.
Imagine when it actually launches, even in only the 6 initial markets and millions actually start using it...
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I think it will hold up
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I think it will hold up
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I think so too. The network is still growing so I doubt it'll be that slow.
Plus, once your above a consistent 4-5Mbps that holds while actually moving itll only ever make a noticable difference whike downloading ROMs, and that will still be WiFi recommended.
Those speeds arent good at all though, my WiMAX is right there with it. The difference will be in the connectivity while mobile.
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For well over a year now Sprint customers have been dealing with sluggish 3G and 4G WiMAX data speeds. Network woes for America’s third largest wireless carrier have worsened over the past six months or so, as the carrier’s outdated WiMAX 4G offerings were halted in an effort to focus on building a new 4G LTE network. While this decision has good intentions, it has left the bulk of Sprint’s customers stranded on its old, overcrowded CDMA 3G network. However, all hope may not be lost for Sprint and its customers, as the troubled carrier has pledged to deploy its new LTE services by mid-2012, which is literally a couple of weeks away. Set to hit Atlanta, Baltimore, Houston, Dallas, Kansas City, and San Antonio, the question remains if Sprint’s new network setup can hold its own with already established 4G LTE from its competition.
In an effort to answer this burning question, PCMag recently spent some candid time with Sprint’s new LTE network and ran several tests comparing it to both Verizon’s and AT&T’s LTE services. The tests were conducted in Atlanta, Georgia in five different locations using a “specially provisioned” LG Viper 4G LTE phone and a PC Mag’s in-house Sensorly app, along with Ookla’s Speedtest.net app.
The results reveal that Sprint’s LTE is indeed fast, but not quite as fast as peak speeds seen on AT&T’s and Verizon’s networks. This is to be expected, due to Sprint decision to use 5MHz channels band instead of the 10MHz channels that its competition uses. However, the networks still appear to be very competitive. Using the Sensorly speed test app in four different test locations, PCMag found that Sprint’s network produced an average download speed between 9 and 13Mbps, which is on a par with AT&T’s 5MHz channel LTE. Sprint’s download speeds peaked at 26.5Mbps, which also remained competitive with AT&T’s peak 5MHz speeds of around 27.8Mbps.
Surprisingly Sprint’s network speeds were comparable to Verizon’s 10MHz setup, but keep in mind that Verizon’s network is already used by its customers, while Sprint’s was near empty and in a controlled testing environment. In regards to upload speeds, Sprint’s LTE averaged 2.19Mbps, which remained consistant with its own WiMAX 4G, AT&T’s LTE, T-Mobile HSPA+, but was still slower than Verizon.
Obviously focused on LTE, Sprint is aggressively pushing new LTE-capable phones such as the Galaxy Nexus, LG Viper, and HTC EVO 4G LTE, but as it stands these new devices are stuck in the mud on Sprint’s 3G network until its 4G LTE network goes live for customers. While Sprint has committed to a midyear LTE deployment, the carrier has remained coy about its complete network release schedule. This restrictive strategy places a great deal of Sprint’s customers in the dark about their network’s future, and the carrier runs the risk of losing customers to existing LTE networks offered by its competitors.
While Sprint continues to remain in network limbo, its biggest beacon of hope for its customers is its noted commitment to true unlimited data. This is something that its major competitors have abandoned and will likely be Sprint’s saving grace if the carrier’s data speeds are attractive to consumers. However, if Sprint doesn’t deliver on its promises sooner than later, the only speed the carrier will be experiencing is a rapid loss of existing customers.
Source:http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2405675,00.asp
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I'll have to disagree on a couple points. The truly unlimited data was the first enticing thing to bring me to Sprint in the first place. Second, was the fact that they have the least demanding credit assessment. AT&T wanted me to pay a deposit of $146+, more or less, asking for my landline that I owe them on still. Verizon? Don't get me started there.. after my credit assessment through them, they wanted over $1G for the deposit.. I laughed and immediately went to AT&T's go phone at that time. Limited in data, yes, but the only way I could get on a cell with poor credit, as Sprint was wanting a $100 deposit, not bad, but being unsure of where my next funding was coming from, this did not bode well. It was a couple years before I tried Sprint again, and found out, not only did I have no deposit this time, I could trade in my old AT&T go phone, and got a nice credit towards a descent phone within my price range, the Nexus S 4G. On top of that, Sprint works with several companies to offer an employment discount, mine being 17%, something AT&T has abandoned for a LOT of employers.
Now, let's talk about customer service. IMHO, Sprint is unmatched in providing excellent customer service (in fact, I just found out recently, they've been ranked #1 in this department). Something you won't find with the other 2. They let me know of services they offer, that in order to get it out of AT&T or Verizon, you have to go through an area manager - not something a LOT of people want to deal with. Verizon? The sales rep that ran my credit couldn't understand half of what I was saying. With Sprint, I have only gotten a foreign rep* ONE time (out of the maybe, 15, times, I've had to call in), and they STILL were able to CLEARLY understand the problem I was having and easily helped me to resolve it.
So the bottom line here is, they have too many ups to have the down of their technology being a little behind, to lose too much of a customer base.
I know your article is put together from research and comment follow-ups to the testing articles, but it is still a good write-up, nonetheless.
BTW, if you've looked a little more recently, July 15th is the rollout date for the above mentioned cities, for LTE. Fortunately, I just happened to be in Metro ATL.
Well, that sums up my rebuttle. (however, that's spelled) Please don't take it personally. I'm just preaching from personal experience.
Peace,
~WickiD_D~
* edited to add: I mean no disrespect, no racism, and no stereo-typing in any way. I just think that there are a LOT of people who will agree that there is a natural language barrier that can occur when calling a customer service line, and it makes it very difficult to resolve customer service issues, at those times, for both the caller and the rep, because of it. I sincerely apologize if I offended anyone in any way, because I know we all come from different parts of the world in this forum, and would never intentionally want to hurt anyone here..
On March 24th will be going to be announced it about the Lte
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On March 24th will be going to be announced it about the Lte
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Ditto
http://www.tmonews.com/2013/03/t-mo...un-as-lte-update-releases-for-galaxy-note-ii/
In the new of lte
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T-Mobile’s LTE Network Gets Official Trial Run As LTE Update Releases For Galaxy Note II
March 18, 2013 David Beren 8 Comments
T-Mobile’s LTE network is beginning to show some signs of life as a number of sites just posted some hands-on results conducted in New York City last week. That means some good news for Galaxy Note II owners as the long-awaited LTE software update finally rolls out beginning today.
The tests, conducted by The Verge, Engadget, LaptopMag and CNET, we’re getting a first look at what the network is truly capable of. There’s a caveat of course, that all of these tests are running on microcells with absolutely no traffic on it so real-world speeds will be theoretically be slower with thousands of customers on a tower at any given time.*As was case with the HSPA+ rollout, the use of new tower equipment along the necessary LTE hardware should result in better coverage for everyone says T-Mobile Product Management Director Randy Meyerson. That’s good news for customers who may choose to ignore T-Mobile’s first round of LTE handsets as improved coverage is always welcome.
As for those of you looking for the BlackBerry Z10, T-Mobile’s first LTE-ready*BlackBerry, that’s still on the calendar before the end of March. The carrier says LTE is ready in both Las Vegas and Kansas City*and*all that’s left is flipping the switch allowing customers officially on the network. With the promise of a network that covers 200 million people with LTE before the end of 2013, T-Mobile’s rollout is bound to ramp up quickly.
As for the speeds themselves, LaptopMag was able to hit download speeds as high as 58.8Mbps, with uploads running as high as 25.5Mbps. Engadget faired a little better pushing above the 60Mbps mark hitting a high of 62.13Mbps and a download high of 25.67Mbps. Overall, speeds appeared to average well into the high 50′s on the download and in the high trends on the upload side. Remember the earlier caveat though. a
One major advantage for T-Mobile’s LTE network and a selling point the company will certainly use when it rolls out its rumored “Dual 4G” marketing later this year is HSPA+ 42Mbps as a fallback. The ability to fall back on speeds that T-Mobile has long claimed rival competitor LTE networks is an advantage T-Mobile will attempt to use against the likes of Verizon.
For now, T-Mobile highlights that its LTE network will be focused on measured adoption, with an emphasis on higher-end handsets focusing on the technically savvy, media heavy-set of customers. As for*how long it will take before T-Mobile has their LTE network rolled out to more than two cities? That’s a great question that T-Mobile is playing coy with answering. With plans to have 100 million customers cover in LTE before summer, we’re certain we’ll find more cities lighting up in the near future.
The Verge, Engadget, LaptopMag, CNET
Tags: blackberry z10, galaxy note II, LTE, lte network, Network, note II, z10
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T-Mobile isn't saying where it's launching LTE, so it's a good thing we have OpenSignalMap to do our legwork for us. With its crowdsourced Android app, OSM reports today that it has detected T-Mobile's new LTE network in eight cities: Denver, Las Vegas, Kansas City, New Orleans, New York, San Diego, San Jose, and Seattle.
"The fact that our app has detected a T-Mobile LTE network in these cities suggests that they will be included in the initial LTE rollout," OSM spokesman Samuel Johnston said
OpenSignalMap Finds T-Mobile LTE in 8 Cities
By Sascha Segan March 22, 2013 12:00pm EST 0 Comments
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T-Mobile isn't saying where it's launching LTE, so it's a good thing we have OpenSignalMap to do our legwork for us. With its crowdsourced Android app, OSM reports today that it has detected T-Mobile's new LTE network in eight cities: Denver, Las Vegas, Kansas City, New Orleans, New York, San Diego, San Jose, and Seattle.
"The fact that our app has detected a T-Mobile LTE network in these cities suggests that they will be included in the initial LTE rollout," OSM spokesman Samuel Johnston said.
And while T-Mobile has only announced the BlackBerry Z10 and Samsung Galaxy Note II as LTE devices, OSM says it's also seen T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S III and Galaxy S4 phones hitting the LTE network.
How fast is it? Johnston said OSM's tests saw 25Mbps downloads, 8Mbps uploads, and latency around 40ms. That's extremely fast for a 5x5 LTE network like T-Mobile is running.
"Obviously the network is under a very light load right now and these speeds will come down," Johnston said.
T-Mobile is the last national carrier to launch LTE. It has pledged to cover 100 million people with LTE by midyear. Earlier this week the company treated us to a test of how the network will function after the upcoming MetroPCS merger, when it can double its spectrum in many markets to 10x10.
The carrier is having a network-themed press event on Tuesday, March 26 where it's expected to announce a new range of service plans and more details about its LTE network.
Late last year, T-Mobile CEO John Legere said the company would be moving entirely to no-contract "value plans." Tmonews has details of those new service plans, adding that traditional subsidized contracts will still be available from third-party retailers.
The full OSM report on T-Mobile LTE coverage is available at OpenSignalMap's website. We'll also be visiting all of the cities listed above in our Fastest Mobile Networks testing this May.
Sources. http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2416911,00.asp
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Sucks the tmo s3 doesnt support LTE
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There is already a thread discussing LTE. This should be posted there
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1992631
I have a Note II on T-Mobile $70/mo prepaid "Unlimited Data" plan. I just completed a driving tour in New England and except for major metropolitan areas, data coverage varied from non-existent, to painfully slow, to marginally acceptable. Comparing actual results to T-Mobile's coverage maps showed little correlation - the coverage maps appear to be useless.
I did some internet searching, trying to figure out what was going on, and results were confusing at best. My impression is that the "coverage" shown in the T-mobile maps includes use of other's (AT&T?) cell networks in many areas, with limits on data usage and speed. But the coverage maps do not identify where, and I can find no clear explanation as to the specifics of how this works.
My questions are: 1) can someone give me an explanation or link explaining the specifics of t-mobiles coverage outside major metropolitan areas, in terms of who provides it and what are data and speed limits? and 2) is there a "real" t-mobile coverage map anywhere that shows what a user will actually receive?
(I note that I travel extensively in my work and have had similar experiences in other locations, but this time I actually did testing at regular intervals in my journey, with results per above. As a final question, I need a GSM phone as I also travel to Mexico and use local providers there, and I'm wondering if AT&T or another GSM provider in the US would provide significantly better data coverage here).
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If you routinely travel outside of major Metro areas, then t-mobile probably isn't the right carrier for you. Verizon or at&t are probably your better bets.
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