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slow down?

Anyone notice that if you dont use one of those utilities that clears temp files, notifications, etc, after a while your TF3D and phone lags to the point of pressing on the screen and there is a nice delay?? i'm basically running the stock sprint rom, with the tweak package and a few basic mods..
any ideas??

Slowdowns aren't caused by temporary files and such. They are usually caused by high processor activity and by low amounts of ram available. You should check what services are running and the ram you have.

I dotn have very much running... mostly stock items and then memaid, email scheduler, glalarm

dahauss said:
Anyone notice that if you dont use one of those utilities that clears temp files, notifications, etc, after a while your TF3D and phone lags to the point of pressing on the screen and there is a nice delay?? i'm basically running the stock sprint rom, with the tweak package and a few basic mods..
any ideas??
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It's true that RAM gets gobbled up with time -- maybe worse with some ROMs than others -- and lack of operating memory can eventually make the phone laggy. I'm no expert, so I don't know exactly why RAM get's consumed and not relinquished, but it's a fact (not always, but often).

I'm using the stock ROM but a bunch of MODS including the cleanup cab file and 64 icons and 1% battery driver to name a few... earlier today I had to use memmaid and then soft reset as the machine would lag.. now its OK...

Some drivers and mods may have memory leaks so maybe one of them is causing this. Can you please tell us your average memory consumption?

Are you on a stock WinMo 6.5 ROM? I find those to be not very optimized in terms of RAM usage. I've been flashing a couple ROMs and I've come to a couple of conclusions:
-Stick with the stock WinMo 6.1 ROM. I was pleasantly surprised by the speed of my device right out of the box.
-If you want WinMo 6.5, use Josh's or Sergio's ROMs. Excellent speed, features, and stability.
-If you want Sense 2.5, don't. Just forget it. It's obviously not meant for our devices. Just too much lag all around.
-If you can live without Sense or TF3D, that'll give you back a whole bunch of free RAM. Good alternatives are SPB Mobile Shell, Titanium, or HTC Home (the Today-plugin from the original HTC Touch).

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Are you on a stock WinMo 6.5 ROM? I find those to be not very optimized in terms of RAM usage. I've been flashing a couple ROMs and I've come to a couple of conclusions:
-Stick with the stock WinMo 6.1 ROM. I was pleasantly surprised by the speed of my device right out of the box.
-If you want WinMo 6.5, use Josh's or Sergio's ROMs. Excellent speed, features, and stability.
-If you want Sense 2.5, don't. Just forget it. It's obviously not meant for our devices. Just too much lag all around.
-If you can live without Sense or TF3D, that'll give you back a whole bunch of free RAM. Good alternatives are SPB Mobile Shell, Titanium, or HTC Home (the Today-plugin from the original HTC Touch).
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I totally agree. The stock 6.1 is the fastest, stable and low ram consumer.

Fast Rom with sense ?

Hello, anyone with ROM with Sense is lazy and takes less memory at all here. Tell me please?

All roms have different offerings, differing from eye-candy, stability, speed etc...
I've gone for the V3 Don Salari ROM, been running it for 3hrs as I got sick of the out-of-memory problems occuring with other roms which is my own fault for running many apps.
Previously ran the latest Energy ROM, which has a lot more to offer in some respects, but memory ran low quite often, all respect to NRG for development though
No probs currently with ROM and memory is constantly fluctuating around the 70% mark, which is MUCH better than the 95% I'm used to, this is with having the QILIN dialer installed too, otherwise it was 65%.

I'm using Gen.Y rom with Sense UI....
i have to say its the best..i've been using for the past week and a half....
no problem at all... everythign works as it shud.... minor problems ...but worth sacrificing....i wont be changing this rom....til' they perfect android
i read up on DonSalari's rom ...where he took away alot of features....even things like adding appointments from the tabs and such
i've tried one of the old Athena's... wasn't too happy...
Good luck!

Gen y best sense rom, no doubt

gen y, ~55% free ram :-D

Questions about memory (yes I have read the various tips)

Ok, so my wife still has her tp2 and I upgraded it to tmobiles 6.5, then I flashed cell pro rom, leo cell pro, and finally went back to tmobile 6.5. When I had my tp2 I went through about a dozen roms all 6.5.(x in some cases) with sense 2.1 or 2.5. I eventually went back to 6.1 with tf3d 2.1 before I gave up and went for android.
My issue is the massive memory consumption with 6.5/sense. The stock upgrade runs at 70% used ideling. On both our phones I have done the res proxy tweak (setting it to 0/dynamic, and in some cases also deleting resprocy key from HKCU/software/htc/bootlauncher). I have run the no push internet (though tmobile doesnt use push internet on their roms but what the heck right?), I have installed SKTools and had its shadow services running in the background cleaning ram as I go; which doesnt seem to do a damn thing in WM 6.5 unlike in 6.1 it would keep the ram down to 49% used even after two weeks of use). With all of these tweaks, the ram creeps up to 70% again. Granted it boots up at 47% with all of these tweaks and seems like it will idle at around 55-60% fr a while, but then after a few hours of use it is back up to 70%. Sure clean ram will drop it 10-20%, but how is that acceptable to have that program do a cleanup every 3 hours just so the device is functional? At this rate, I have a single tasking phone that is multitask-able once every three hours before the memory is so low I (well now she) has to decide what program she wants to use.
So many of you are saying "Just use a custom rom". Sure, fine, did that. Several times on both phones and guess what? While the bootup may start out lower with the above tweaks, or higher, the end result is ALWAYS something about 70+% after a few hours. On the stock 6.1/tf3d she and I could go a month without a reboot to clean things up, but 6.5 and 6.5.x get to the point were even clean ram can only drop the usage down to about 69%, which quickly just goes right back to 70+%
So I read all the memory issue post and see people claim to keep a constant 60% or 66% and I cry "BS!" I just don't buy it. They post tips that I have tried and nothing works. When these people are asked what they do to manage it, they offer nothing new (I even tried setting the system cache to dangerously low levels as one post recommended!). So I am left to believe they are not being completely truthful or their is some super secret technique out there that does this. If there isnt, how can anybody be happy with having only 30-20% of their memory left for their use? Are you all just using one program at a time? when I used windows mobile I had several programs running at once because it was quicker to switch between my commonly used programs, and my wife is the same way. Now with this upgrade, its one or two programs allowed and the moment you open a third you run the risk of closing one of the other two.... but don't worry, they will be closed in about 5 minutes when cleanram runs it's sweep effectively rendering it a feature phone.
Please someone help me understand the super secret memory management technique everyone but me is using.
Before it is mentioned, I have done several test installing ONLY the rom upgrade or custom rom and not installing third party apps; just using the built in apps: Same result. 6.5 is nice and smooth in its function and she would like to use it, (6.1 was a little slow on some apps and its transcriber would skip; both of these issues are 100% gone in the upgrade).

cirrob said:
Ok, so my wife still has her tp2 and I upgraded it to tmobiles 6.5, then I flashed cell pro rom, leo cell pro, and finally went back to tmobile 6.5. When I had my tp2 I went through about a dozen roms all 6.5.(x in some cases) with sense 2.1 or 2.5. I eventually went back to 6.1 with tf3d 2.1 before I gave up and went for android.
My issue is the massive memory consumption with 6.5/sense. The stock upgrade runs at 70% used ideling. On both our phones I have done the res proxy tweak (setting it to 0/dynamic, and in some cases also deleting resprocy key from HKCU/software/htc/bootlauncher). I have run the no push internet (though tmobile doesnt use push internet on their roms but what the heck right?), I have installed SKTools and had its shadow services running in the background cleaning ram as I go; which doesnt seem to do a damn thing in WM 6.5 unlike in 6.1 it would keep the ram down to 49% used even after two weeks of use). With all of these tweaks, the ram creeps up to 70% again. Granted it boots up at 47% with all of these tweaks and seems like it will idle at around 55-60% fr a while, but then after a few hours of use it is back up to 70%. Sure clean ram will drop it 10-20%, but how is that acceptable to have that program do a cleanup every 3 hours just so the device is functional? At this rate, I have a single tasking phone that is multitask-able once every three hours before the memory is so low I (well now she) has to decide what program she wants to use.
So many of you are saying "Just use a custom rom". Sure, fine, did that. Several times on both phones and guess what? While the bootup may start out lower with the above tweaks, or higher, the end result is ALWAYS something about 70+% after a few hours. On the stock 6.1/tf3d she and I could go a month without a reboot to clean things up, but 6.5 and 6.5.x get to the point were even clean ram can only drop the usage down to about 69%, which quickly just goes right back to 70+%
So I read all the memory issue post and see people claim to keep a constant 60% or 66% and I cry "BS!" I just don't buy it. They post tips that I have tried and nothing works. When these people are asked what they do to manage it, they offer nothing new (I even tried setting the system cache to dangerously low levels as one post recommended!). So I am left to believe they are not being completely truthful or their is some super secret technique out there that does this. If there isnt, how can anybody be happy with having only 30-20% of their memory left for their use? Are you all just using one program at a time? when I used windows mobile I had several programs running at once because it was quicker to switch between my commonly used programs, and my wife is the same way. Now with this upgrade, its one or two programs allowed and the moment you open a third you run the risk of closing one of the other two.... but don't worry, they will be closed in about 5 minutes when cleanram runs it's sweep effectively rendering it a feature phone.
Please someone help me understand the super secret memory management technique everyone but me is using.
Before it is mentioned, I have done several test installing ONLY the rom upgrade or custom rom and not installing third party apps; just using the built in apps: Same result. 6.5 is nice and smooth in its function and she would like to use it, (6.1 was a little slow on some apps and its transcriber would skip; both of these issues are 100% gone in the upgrade).
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I can't offer any magic bullets here for you I'm afraid, but I just wanted to say that I think the blame can be squarely placed on Sense, as opposed to wm6.5 so much. Not to say that 6.5 is some kind of streamlined OS, but just try using the phone for a day, or even just a few hours, with Sense turned off, and this will become obvious.
I know that's not terribly insightful, but in problem solving you always want to divide and conquer, so you can at least know which of those two ways to direct your efforts. I wish you luck, honestly...I think there's a lot more TP2 owners out there who experience it exactly as you do, if not worse. My personal experience on my recent upgrade to a stock 6.5 ROM is slightly better than yours, but no more than 10%, and I'm fastidious about manual memory management (through pretty much the same methods you've listed). The only other thing I do that I don't see a lot of other users here doing, that I believe helps me sidestep other lagging issues, is keeping my sms folders trimmed at all times...as in, no more than 45-50 messages in there live at any given time. Will your memory load decrease if you do the same? I dunno, it's just the only other thing I could think of that you haven't already mentioned

Is "sense" the default UI? The HTC one I mean?

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Is "sense" the default UI? The HTC one I mean?
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On most TP2's yes....there were a few carrier ROMs (like the first tmobile WM6.1 ROM) that had the precursor to Sense, aka TF3D, but most carrier's ROMs either came with Sense or have now been upgraded to it.

Thanks Sirphunkee for your response. After several days of searching and finding no one able to give any sort of real answer to the massive memory consumption sense uses, I have sence reverted her phone back to the stock rom at her request (I dont blame her: 66-73% consumed when ideling is simply not acceptable by any standards). If al she were doing is running the homescreen plugin (sense) I guess this might be fine, but she actually uses the tp2 for other things than just looking at it and scrolling from tab to tab.
After going back to the stock rom, she is now able to use 8 programs at once and still have 45% of her memory available. The machine is snappy and functional even with that type of load on it. The most she could accomplish with 6.5/sense was maybe 5 programs but the machine came screeming to a halt.
I have to say, I am pretty impressed with android however. While it isnt quite where windows mobile was as far as being a completely useful tool (A LOT of uterly useless apps; more sound boards, backgrounds, and fart apps than any teenage boy could ever want!), but its on its way. I just wish it had a true apperatus for syncing to the desktop. This way developers could create companion apps for their software that I could sync with on my desktop. I absolutely hate visiting a website for my data.

cirrob said:
After going back to the stock rom, she is now able to use 8 programs at once and still have 45% of her memory available. The machine is snappy and functional even with that type of load on it. The most she could accomplish with 6.5/sense was maybe 5 programs but the machine came screeming to a halt.
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I'm glad you got something that works the way you want...but 8 programs running at once?! I assume that you're not joking...?
I'm sure that the reason you couldn't find much help on how to free up memory to the level you want is because nobody else needs to run that many programs at once.
Just curious: what 8 programs would a person need to run at the same time? And it's not useful with "only" 3 or 4 programs running simultaneously?
Of course, it's none of my business...I've just never heard of wanting to run that many programs simultaneously. I don't even do that on my PC at work (engineering R&D).
FWIW: My phone (running the ROM in my sig) boots at about 62% memory used and slowly grows. I run cleanRAM when memory use gets well above 70% (even though the phone still seems to perform fine at that level). That usually brings it down by about 15MB. Eventually cleanRAM can't do enough and I soft-reset. I don't find it difficult or inconvenient to do a soft-reset since it only takes a couple of minutes. I find that an acceptable compromise to avoid having to use the inconvenient 6.1 with 2.1. After running 6.5.5 for the past 4 or 5 months I can't even go back to regular 6.5.
YMMV...and obviously does!

Honestly, when my phone (Tilt 2) wakes me up in the morning with the alarm, I immediately do a soft reset while I evacuate fluids and brush teeth. It is good for the day. I tend to hover around 60%.
But I am running the stock Tilt 2 rom which is still 2.1

Don't want to make any form of advertising or spam, but I honestly think that you should try my Hybrid ROM. Sense 2.5 and WM6.1 improves the used memory a lot. Now I have fixed all important incompatibility bugs, so it's reliable and much faster then any other Sense 2.5 rom. If you don't care about the WM6.5 eye-candy and you're prepared for some stylus use, try it.

cirrob said:
I have to say, I am pretty impressed with android however. While it isnt quite where windows mobile was as far as being a completely useful tool (A LOT of uterly useless apps; more sound boards, backgrounds, and fart apps than any teenage boy could ever want!), but its on its way. I just wish it had a true apperatus for syncing to the desktop. This way developers could create companion apps for their software that I could sync with on my desktop. I absolutely hate visiting a website for my data.
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So there's a tool to convert the iPhone marketplace to Android marketplace? Neat.

Honestly mine does great runnin latest energy rom with the ssk and push internet + memory leak mod. have weather animation disabled and also turned off animation on cookie tabs. amazingly quick. my memory runs bout 60% idle.. which is great compared to what it was on the stock att rom. energyrom 4/17/10 6.5 with sense 2.5

[Q] InsertCoin ROM - Killing apps too aggressively?

Hi all,
This is my first post here.
I have flashed the InsertCoin stable ROM 03/06 and I have to say it's great (despite the video playback bug). Recently I found another issue that bothers me a lot.
The problem I found is that the ROM seems to be killing non-active apps too aggressively. I learnt if I press "home" button in an active app, it should stay for a while until it is killed to free up memory. However, in my phone, the non-active apps are always killed within one minute even when the phone isn't running out of memory. Why it is an issue to me? Because:
1) It is killing the browser too fast. Usually I switched to other app, do some work, and back to the browser. Since the browser is killed it has to reload the whole page to restore the state. This wastes time and data.
2) Most importantly It is killing my music app!! I tried fire up HTC's music app, select a song, tap to play, leave the app and do other things like web surfing. The music app would surely be killed in a minute. This happens to other music playing app like Winamp.
This makes my phone a relatively single tasking one. I didn't install any 3rd party task killer because I never needed one. But I cannot find any settings regarding this "feature" on my phone.
I found people in this forum seeking help on how to kill some background apps. What I want is the opposite: How to prevent some background apps to be killed.
Anyone here has similar problem and has found a solution?
Thanks in advance!

on 1.0.8 i had no problems
on v45 (which is last 2D Rose version) you need to flash pre46test.zip in order to fix agressive app killing.
other than that i never heard of any complaints regarding apps being killed too quickly.

Thanks, dzumagos. Yes I am running 1.0.8 and unfortunately this happens on my phone
Maybe I'll try flashing the nightly version (v51) to see if things improve.

Whatever you do, don't use task managers and other memory scripts. Every developer makes his own memory parameters which suit his rom the best, so I think you are best off pointing baadnwz to this issue and see what he says.

erklat said:
Whatever you do, don't use task managers and other memory scripts. Every developer makes his own memory parameters which suit his rom the best, so I think you are best off pointing baadnwz to this issue and see what he says.
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The ROM has HTC's ROM manager built in, and I didn't have any installed by myself. AFAIK the only difference between the Stable and Nightly version is the Rosie 3D homescreen that is missing in the Stable version, so I flashed 1.0.9 and unfortunately the problem persists.
And looks like I'm not eligible to ask on the development thread

[Q] My Desire Z Free Ram problem. Is there any way to fix?

Guys i am really new on xda, so if my topic is on wrong place sorry about that really. I am using a Desire Z with stock rom, 2.3.3 official, but my maximum free ram never reach 80-85mb, i can't understand what is wrong, i only installed few apps like facebook twitter youtube, and it's always same, even when i am hard resetted, still same free ram amount. Isn't this so low? My phone is working pretty slow lot of games are laggy, even web browser takes 3-4 seconds to open, i can't understand what is wrong, i also always used cleaning apps but nothing changed unfortunately. Is there any way to fix this? Usually when i am checked weird thing using ram... Like: Google Services 9,9MB CSPeopleSyncService 5,9MB Google Maps 5,8MB Touch Input 22MB Calendar 9,5MB HTC Sense 7,0MB Setting 20MB things like this... I don't want to root my phone also...

Unfortunately without rooting you don't have many other options. You can 'try' a task killer application, but its not necessary with Android.
You can root the device and leave the stock ROM on there. That would give you many options like installing a custom script and over clocking your phone (with a custom kernal) to get past some of the 'lag' you speak of.

the sense is a huge ram consumer
with virtuous unity 1.31 , i have only 75mb free ram
but sense 3.0 is cool

Unfortunately there's not much you can do OP. If you're running a Sense ROM, you should be used to only 85mb of RAM free. That's not unexpected at all.