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I just got a Kindle Fire, I've got it on the stock ROM with root. So far it's been great, but the lack of storage space is what's concerning me. I'd love to use it on a plane etc to watch moves, but there's not enough space on the thing to store any kind of selection.
Without using a laptop and without access to the internet or a network in general, I'd like to be able to transfer files from external storage of some kind. I figured the best choice would be to transfer files wirelessly from an android phone. I'm able to set up a wifi hotspot from my phone using the built-in function of the OS, and use File Expert's "WiFi File Receiver" function to transfer files from the Kindle to the phone, but not the other way around. Apparently that's by design, so I either need a app for hosting a hotspot on the kindle, or I need a different method entirely.
Any thoughts?
as u r still on the stock ROM, have u tried using Amazon's online streaming service ??
Yeah I've tried it but it's useless if I don't have internet access, such as while on a plane, which is where the majority of my video viewing on the kindle will be, or if I'm trying to keep my data use on my phone down elsewhere. Being handcuffed to the internet on this thing kind of sucks.
If you decide to go with a custom rom built on the laters version of hashcodes kernel (3.0) you can use a USBOTG connection (USB On the GO) and a USB flash drive etc.
The major problem with this is that you'd require a power source to power the USB as the kindle wont' be able to power anything higher than 8GB
Unless you change from the stock ROM to a later kernel to enable OTG you're stuck; the fire was designed as an internet device after all. I wish there was a way to link the fire with an Android phone for storage via cable but there apparently isn't. I carry my videos etc n a 32 GB thumb drive and use the following arrangement:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=25877151&postcount=41
Yeah I don't want to lose the stock ROM yet, I do like a lot of what Amazon offers for the device, I just don't want to limit myself.
However, I was able to get it to work! I used the stock wifi hotspot feature of my phone running ICS, and ran Wifi File Explorer on the phone. Wifi file explorer is basically a server that allows file transfers through a web browser on the local network. I then go to the phone's ip address on the Kindle's browser and download my files.
Not the simplest solution, but it will work in a pinch. It would be nice if there was a client app for Wifi File Explorer to run on the Kindle to make it a little cleaner, less browser window scrolling and zooming.
If you are going to be transferring large files (like movies) then I suggest you go with the Setup that Lotek posted. That is going to transfer files way faster than over wifi.
But that requires a new ROM though doesn't it? I just tested it with a 400 MB mp4 file and it took 4 minutes. It would be great if I could use USB and transfer faster, but 4 minutes is at least faster than I expected with that app.
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Yeah I don't want to lose the stock ROM yet, I do like a lot of what Amazon offers for the device, I just don't want to limit myself.
However, I was able to get it to work! I used the stock wifi hotspot feature of my phone running ICS, and ran Wifi File Explorer on the phone. Wifi file explorer is basically a server that allows file transfers through a web browser on the local network. I then go to the phone's ip address on the Kindle's browser and download my files.
Not the simplest solution, but it will work in a pinch. It would be nice if there was a client app for Wifi File Explorer to run on the Kindle to make it a little cleaner, less browser window scrolling and zooming.
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Would that situation actually work on a plane (using your initial example) where you're generally not supposed to turn the WiFi on (obviously you could do it before the flight, but not during)?
I don't understand airplane rules. Many plane trips I take lately actually offer internet service over wifi for $5, so I don't see how having wifi on for a few minutes could cause any problems. On the other hand, I just realized... Is there even a way to have wifi on without having the cellular radio on? I wonder what happens when I try to host a hotspot in airplane mode.
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I don't understand airplane rules. Many plane trips I take lately actually offer internet service over wifi for $5, so I don't see how having wifi on for a few minutes could cause any problems. On the other hand, I just realized... Is there even a way to have wifi on without having the cellular radio on? I wonder what happens when I try to host a hotspot in airplane mode.
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I think you can put airplane mode on and then turn WiFi on, which will leave everything else (GPS, cell data, etc) off.
Rules for planes may be changing too. I haven't flown in a while, so I could easily just be out of touch. I know they used to want you to turn off wireless and phone data, but that could be different now.
They do tell you to turn off ALL electronic devices, including devices that have no radio, until after you are in the air and leveled off, but after that they say you may now use "approved" electronic devices, and they sometimes mention making sure they are in airplane mode. I doubt if any of it makes any difference once you're up in the air, they just want to be in control of it.
Turning on the wifi hotspot on my phone automatically turns off airplane mode and turns the cell radio back on. Hm.
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Turning on the wifi hotspot on my phone automatically turns off airplane mode and turns the cell radio back on. Hm.
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Yeah, same for me, sorry. You can turn WiFi on with airplane mode, but not WiFi hotspot. Maybe there's an app you can use as long as WiFi is on? Something like: https://play.google.com/store/apps/...S5nb29nbGVjb2RlLmFuZHJvaWQud2lmaS50ZXRoZXIiXQ..
My phone's not rooted and I don't know how to root it yet (Samsung galaxy S II I777 with leaked ICS ROM), so I guess I can't use that one, I use FoxFi for normal hotspot use for my Kindle, but if there's no signal it won't even turn the hotspot on. I guess I'll go through the gamut of hotspot apps and see if something will work.
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Turning on the wifi hotspot on my phone automatically turns off airplane mode and turns the cell radio back on. Hm.
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That's because wifi hotspot uses your cellular connection to provide wifi for other devices. Of course it's going to turn on your cell radio.
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Well it doesn't need a cellular connection to provide a hotspot, I have my Kindle connected to my phone via wifi right now but I have no cell signal whatsoever. Obviously most people use this function to share a internet connection, but a cell connection is not required, kind of like having a local network in your home run by a router without an internet connection.
FoxFi won't even work at all while in airplane mode, or when a cell signal isn't available for that matter, it requires an internet connection to work. ICS' stock hotspot function doesn't need an internet connection, but it still turns the cell radio on automatically.
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Well it doesn't need a cellular connection to provide a hotspot, I have my Kindle connected to my phone via wifi right now but I have no cell signal whatsoever. Obviously most people use this function to share a internet connection, but a cell connection is not required, kind of like having a local network in your home run by a router without an internet connection.
FoxFi won't even work at all while in airplane mode, or when a cell signal isn't available for that matter, it requires an internet connection to work. ICS' stock hotspot function doesn't need an internet connection, but it still turns the cell radio on automatically.
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Why would you connect to your phone through wifi when the kindle can already connect to wifi by itself?
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veeman said:
Why would you connect to your phone through wifi when the kindle can already connect to wifi by itself?
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To allow the kindle to pull files from the phone. Remember, the situation we're talking about here is being on a plane, where you're unlikely to have internet.
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Yeah sorry, maybe I didn't title the thread clearly enough, but the goal here is to connect the two devices and transfer files without having access to any additional network infrastructure such as a wifi hotspot or 3g/4g service.
You'd think that someone would have created a program that would allow direct transfer of files over a private wifi connection, but it seems that all file transfer apps, like Hoccer or Bump actually send files over the internet through a server and back to the receiving device.
I have an app that I would like to use on fire tv (unrooted) that will only work if it detects a mobile connection. In other words, the app is designed as a purely mobile connect application and will not work unless it detects an internet connection something other than wifi.
Since firetv is wifi only, is there something (app or setting) that can utilized to fake a mobile internet connection? I'm not sure how the app checks the devices ability to connect but if it does so by verifying sim card then obviously that cant be faked.
Ok, I am in a hotel and have tried to plug-in my Fire TV Stick, but it doesn't find my home wifi - no surprise - darn! I've forgot the standard Remote Control!!!! ARGHHH
So I configure my phone as a wifi hot spot and name it as my home wifi (with the same password) - voila! I can connect with the Fire TV app for Android but as soon as I go to reconfigure the wifi to use the hotels wifi it disconnects and I can no longer access it at all from the Android app.
Now, is there a way to reconfigure the wifi-settings manually either by plugging it into a computer via USB or some other app that will emulate the stock remote that comes with the Fire TV?
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Ok, I am in a hotel and have tried to plug-in my Fire TV Stick, but it doesn't find my home wifi - no surprise - darn! I've forgot the standard Remote Control!!!! ARGHHH
So I configure my phone as a wifi hot spot and name it as my home wifi (with the same password) - voila! I can connect with the Fire TV app for Android but as soon as I go to reconfigure the wifi to use the hotels wifi it disconnects and I can no longer access it at all from the Android app.
Now, is there a way to reconfigure the wifi-settings manually either by plugging it into a computer via USB or some other app that will emulate the stock remote that comes with the Fire TV?
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.amazon.storm.lightning.client.aosp&hl=de
If you are using a wifi remote control app like Wukong Romote, your phone and the AFS has to be on the same network for your phone to be able to find it.
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I find the control can be use in this app called CetusPlay, you can find it on google play store
Use a second smartphone or tablet with firetv to reconfigure the stick to the hotel WiFi
For the "not long enough, want to read" explanation -
As the OP said, configure 1st smartphone as a WiFi hotspot with identical name and password as home WiFi.
Firetv should automatically connect you this when powered up.
Connect 2nd smartphone to this network (probably will automatically connect as it will 'see' it as its home network)
Use the firetv app on 2nd smartphone to navigate to system/settings/network (not exact steps but you should be able you find it) and reconfigure the firetv stick to connect to the guest/hotel WiFi.
Once connected turn off WiFi hotspot on 1st phone and connect it to guest/hotel WiFi.
Start firetv app, search for firetv and connect.
Discover that most content is geographically controlled and cannot be viewed and settle in for a season of Man in the High Castle.
@finkle - this was a good idea, but sadly as soon as the other wifi is selected on the fire stick it changes to the hotel wifi and opens the browser page to enter the credentials, which simultaneously disconnects the remote app! So close ;-(
That's what you want to happen.
Once the firestick is connected to the hotel Wi-Fi you connect either of the remote devices to the hotel Wi-Fi and you're good to go - the firestick and device will both be on the same network so they can chat..
The hotel Wi-Fi I used this on only required confirmation that you wanted to connect and accept their usage terms, which the firestick coped with fine.
Honestly, it worked in real life!
Hi,
I tried the above steps, but when I then connect my mobile to the hotel network, it then cannot find the firestick. I have the firestick stuck on the hotel pop up asking for the password, but can not navigate to enter the password in. Help?
Thanks
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Hi,
I tried the above steps, but when I then connect my mobile to the hotel network, it then cannot find the firestick. I have the firestick stuck on the hotel pop up asking for the password, but can not navigate to enter the password in. Help?
Thanks
finkle said:
That's what you want to happen.
Once the firestick is connected to the hotel Wi-Fi you connect either of the remote devices to the hotel Wi-Fi and you're good to go - the firestick and device will both be on the same network so they can chat..
The hotel Wi-Fi I used this on only required confirmation that you wanted to connect and accept their usage terms, which the firestick coped with fine.
Honestly, it worked in real life!
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Thanks ,..I tried it.. I lost my remote to my firestick... I got the app on my phone...for remote... Firestick was still on previous network....and since we got new internet..service provider... The network was diffrent,....so we changed hotspot on phone, ( to the previous netwrk we had...and I got a diffrent phone...and with the second phone,, I was able to conect with the phone ap remote...[theseconv
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a second smartphone or tablet with firetv to reconfigure the stick to the hotel WiFi
For the "not long enough, want to read" explanation -
As the OP said, configure 1st smartphone as a WiFi hotspot with identical name and password as home WiFi.
Firetv should automatically connect you this when powered up.
Connect 2nd smartphone to this network (probably will automatically connect as it will 'see' it as its home network)
Use the firetv app on 2nd smartphone to navigate to system/settings/network (not exact steps but you should be able you find it) and reconfigure the firetv stick to connect to the guest/hotel WiFi.
Once connected turn off WiFi hotspot on 1st phone and connect it to guest/hotel WiFi.
Start firetv app, search for firetv and connect.
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ok i have done everything exactly as you have said, but unfortunately my fire tv is not automatically connecting....Any thoughts on why? I know i reconfigured the hot spot correctly because i disconnected a 2nd smart phone from the current wifi and it automatically found our home network and connected...
What i typically do is connect my FireTV stick to the USB port on my computer, i can then manually send keyevents via ADB to connect the device through the hotel portals, yes it is tedious but once you get it connected you should be able to connect to it via Fire TV remote App on your phone. you can then plug it back into the wall and when it reboots it should auto connect to wifi this time.
P.S. this will only work if you have already previously enabled developer mode and allow adb connection on your fireTV stick.
Oh clever people, I hope you can help? I am absolutely not techy-minded, I wish I was..
I've read through this thread, and I fear there is no help for me..
I was bought a firestick by a well-meaning friend, who set it up for me... About 18 months ago. I have since moved house, and the move has meant the remote is misplaced.. So I downloaded an app that I can use as a remote. However the firestick is still linked to the old wifi, of which I have no idea what the username or password was....
So am I buggered? A useless firestick?
Please advise!
LinzAM said:
Oh clever people, I hope you can help? I am absolutely not techy-minded, I wish I was..
I've read through this thread, and I fear there is no help for me..
I was bought a firestick by a well-meaning friend, who set it up for me... About 18 months ago. I have since moved house, and the move has meant the remote is misplaced.. So I downloaded an app that I can use as a remote. However the firestick is still linked to the old wifi, of which I have no idea what the username or password was....
So am I buggered? A useless firestick?
Please advise!
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I found this answer on the Amazon help page ( https://www.amazon.com/ask/questions/Tx3ERA8C5GDSLWS?_encoding=UTF8&sort=helpful ) :
All tvs have a cec option under settings. Google search cec settings and it'll help ya. It lets you control hdmi plug ins with the regular tv remote. Tried it on one of my tvs and wouldn't work. Tried it on another tv in the house witch is different brand and it worked. I was able to set the wifi back up and then was able to use the fire stick remote app on my phone. Good luck
Someone confirmed that it worked for them. if not then you can order a new remote fairly cheaply: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00LORGAG6/ref=ask_ql_qh_dp_hza
Problem Solved
Hold down the home button on your Amazon firestick remote until you get a popup on your tv screen that the remote is connected. This will take 5-10 seconds. No internet necessary. Cheers!!
Thank You!
This CEC on my visio worked perfectly. we haven't been able to use one of our firesticks for quite a while now. thank you!! and no... holding down the select button on a diff remote does not work..
Enable the CEC Setting on your TV
OzzMosiz said:
Ok, I am in a hotel and have tried to plug-in my Fire TV Stick, but it doesn't find my home wifi - no surprise - darn! I've forgot the standard Remote Control!!!! ARGHHH
So I configure my phone as a wifi hot spot and name it as my home wifi (with the same password) - voila! I can connect with the Fire TV app for Android but as soon as I go to reconfigure the wifi to use the hotels wifi it disconnects and I can no longer access it at all from the Android app.
Now, is there a way to reconfigure the wifi-settings manually either by plugging it into a computer via USB or some other app that will emulate the stock remote that comes with the Fire TV?
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Go into the settings on your tv and enable CEC. I have a Vizio and it worked for me.
In your search engine type: How to Enable HDMI-CEC on Your TV, and Why You Should then click on the HowtoGeek link
In case anyone runs in to this in the future (including myself).
If your stick is rooted then you can manually configure the WiFi over ADB/USB in the file /data/misc/wifi/wpa_supplicant.conf
My situation is that one day i switched my tv input from blue ray player to fire tv stick as ive done for a long time, but this time when itd boot up it would hold on the home screen and the 3 dots, and then network connection lost. But nothing has changed with my wifi, all my other devices still connect to wifi just fine. And i dont have the remote and have been using my phone to navigate my fire tv stick. Any advice?
Now its bootlooping after it shows network connection lost for about 1min then reboots.
Could provide steps as to how to reconfigure Wi-Fi setting in the Fire Stick via ADB?
I'm using OS 5.0 in my fire tv and every time my neighbor turns on their screen mirroring my amazon fire tv pops up a screen for it, they ate on a different network, not mine, and I don't have screen mirroring enabled, so it's there a way to stop this and/or hide my fire tv from being seen by others?
What? How could that be possible, if you don't have shared networks?
Do you actually get your neighbour's mobile screen on you tv???
Check your router, he's not in you wireless network!
Check your firetv wireless, you're not allowing anyone to connect freely.
Check your firetv, his mobile is not paired as a remote device.
I actually thought he hacked my network, but my router doesn't show his device, plus I looked at his phone and my network isn't in it, he had comcast and I have verizon, so I'm at a loss! Like I said I don't even have mirroring turned on in in settings,he can never connect but the screen pops up every time he turns on his screen mirroring, pain in the butt!
Screen mirroring aka MiraCast isn´t done via your network. It is done via a direct WiFi connection between both devices (aka WiFi Direct). That´s the reason you won´t find your neighbours device in your network. If the connection request pops up it´s the fault by your neighbour because he chooses your device as target. If he would choose his own device you wouldn´t get a request. I´m not on FireOS5 but there might be 2 settings, one which does block automatic connections but leaves MiraCast enabled and a general setting for turning MiraCast/Screen mirroring completely off.
Hi
If I understand correctly the wifi will only work if the phone is close by
I read elsewhere that other smart watches will connect directly to wifi
even if the phone is not on
can someone please clarify & will this option come with future updates ?
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The phone needs to be only in a close range if you're connected by Bluetooth. If you're connected to a WiFi network, the phone just needs an internet connection and can be on the other side of the world.
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The phone needs to be only in a close range if you're connected by Bluetooth. If you're connected to a WiFi network, the phone just needs an internet connection and can be on the other side of the world.
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Thanks Foo
But it doesn't seem to be the case with mine
If I am at home or at work it will connect easily with the Wifi but only if the phone is there
without the phone its saying disconnected , maybe I am missing something
I did a test recently with mine. I left my paired smartphone (Smartphone_A) far out of range of my watch (>100m within a company building). The watch signaled that it is disconnected as it was only connected by Bluetooth before. The smartphone itself was only connected to a 3G network (no WiFi active).
I used a second smartphone (Smartphone_B, obviously not paired with the watch) and activated the mobile hotspot on it. I connected the watch to the mobile hotspot using WiFi and was able to connect to my paired smartphone:
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Watch<---WiFi<--->Smartphone_B<--------->3G mobile data<--------->Smartphone_A
<--------------------receive notifications-------------------------->
I was really surprised that this worked, but it did, so I'm pretty sure, that they do not have to be both connected to the same WiFi or be within a close range.
The question is, why is it not working for you. How do you check, that you are connected to the WiFi?
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I did a test recently with mine. I left my paired smartphone (Smartphone_A) far out of range of my watch (>100m within a company building). The watch signaled that it is disconnected as it was only connected by Bluetooth before. The smartphone itself was only connected to a 3G network (no WiFi active).
I used a second smartphone (Smartphone_B, obviously not paired with the watch) and activated the mobile hotspot on it. I connected the watch to the mobile hotspot using WiFi and was able to connect to my paired smartphone:
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Watch<---WiFi<--->Smartphone_B<--------->3G mobile data<--------->Smartphone_A
<--------------------receive notifications-------------------------->
I was really surprised that this worked, but it did, so I'm pretty sure, that they do not have to be both connected to the same WiFi or be within a close range.
The question is, why is it not working for you. How do you check, that you are connected to the WiFi?
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Strange
with my phone on no problems it shows my house & work network on the watch & connects showing the correct SSID
with phone off I tested it 2 ways 1 clicked on google app (disconnected ) 2 Settings- About -Connection (disconnected )
Brgds
I see the problem, I also may have misunderstood the actual problem.
The status (Google app/about) which you are referring to shows if you're connected to your watch. If your phone is off, the watch can't connect to the phone. Even if the watch is connected to your WiFi, the watch will not go directly to the internet, but will use the WiFi connection to connect to your phone (cloudsync).
You can check the WiFi connection in the WiFi setting. See if the watch was assigned an IP address, if there is one, then you're connected to the WiFi.
I think you expected that the watch can directly connect to the internet and use things like Google now directly. but this is not possible.
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I see the problem, I also may have misunderstood the actual problem.
The status (Google app/about) which you are referring to shows if you're connected to your watch. If your phone is off, the watch can't connect to the phone. Even if the watch is connected to your WiFi, the watch will not go directly to the internet, but will use the WiFi connection to connect to your phone (cloudsync).
You can check the WiFi connection in the WiFi setting. See if the watch was assigned an IP address, if there is one, then you're connected to the WiFi.
I think you expected that the watch can directly connect to the internet and use things like Google now directly. but this is not possible.
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I checked a few things, my phone was on & the google app works, turn phone off & the google app says disconnected
in wifi settings even with phone off it says obtaining IP then connects so I thought it would connect to google app
so if I understand correctly it wont connect directly to internet but the phone (cloudsync) even if the phone is on or off
Thanks for taking the time to clarify
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so if I understand correctly it wont connect directly to internet
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correct
tclough said:
but the phone (cloudsync) even if the phone is on or off
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it will connect to the phone by cloudsync only if the phone is on.
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it will connect to the phone by cloudsync only if the phone is on.
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all seems a bit pointless to have a wifi connection but cant really use it do anything
maybe some apps or updates in the future that will utilize the wifi option ??
Thx
I guess wifi is just helpful if you get out of range of the Bluetooth connection.
At home I often get out of range of the Bluetooth connection so the watch connects to my wifi and reconnects to my watch via cloudsync as long as I stay out of Bluetooth range.
When the watch gets back in reach it connects via Bluetooth again, because this is much better for battery life.
So wifi is only there to increase range but unfortunately not for standalone functionality. I also have a Youtube client and a webbrowser on my watch (just for fun, not really useful). Both apps also need the watch and will not use a direct wifi connection to load videos/websites from the Internet.