I'm bouncing around and trying out different ROMs. I've been on Jelly Belly for a while, but I'm wanting to try out the official CM9 RC2 and the initial CM10 builds. I've got titanium backup and I'm curious about different System data restore options. I know there is a "System Data Migration" option. Will this let me restore any system data between any rom? For instance, I'm on a JB version now. Can I restore that to the ICS CM9? What are the limits of System Data Migration?
I'm not sure if an update has fixed it, but it's been widely reported that restoring system apps on JB with Titanium is not a good idea
harveydent said:
I'm not sure if an update has fixed it, but it's been widely reported that restoring system apps on JB with Titanium is not a good idea
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First off, this thread should have been in Q&A. Sorry mods.
Second, thanks for the response. I don't want to get myself in trouble so I might just forget system data and restore SMS with SMS backup and apps with Titanium.
Nothing really bad happens (your phone won't explode) but it's either the apps won't restore, you get fcs, or it bootloops. I can't remember which exactly since I don't use TiBu.
But for apps it works perfectly. Hopefully the devs will be able to issue a fix soon
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Does TB back settings up so extensively that a clean wipe + TB restore will restore the previous problems? (I'm having issues with the Android Wifi Tether 3rd party app)
What is the advantage of doing a clean wipe + TB restore versus just installing a rom upgrade over the present data, without a wipe?
Just got the Donate version of Titanium and trying to understand how it works in the circumstance of a clean wipe.
Basically does it backup all the good stuff (settings) without backing up anything corrupted that might cause problems? (Assuming a stupid setting isn't the problem since that would be backed up)
Thanks!
Titanium just backs up the apk's unless you also back up app settings, user settings, etc. If there is a problem with corruption, it will probably stay with the backup. You could reinstall the apps you suspect. I would think your problem is corruption in the system itself, so maybe a reflash would help.
But don't flash without wiping, that's just a bad idea anyway. It's not like you're just saving personal settings, you're just painting over the old data. Do a full backup of all apps, data, and user settings, then wipe everything, reflash, and restore things bit by but until you either have the same problems or have everything back.
Just my conservative opinion. Bottom line, I've never seen anybody recommend flashing without wiping.
SilverZero said:
Titanium just backs up the apk's unless you also back up app settings, user settings, etc. If there is a problem with corruption, it will probably stay with the backup. You could reinstall the apps you suspect. I would think your problem is corruption in the system itself, so maybe a reflash would help.
But don't flash without wiping, that's just a bad idea anyway. It's not like you're just saving personal settings, you're just painting over the old data. Do a full backup of all apps, data, and user settings, then wipe everything, reflash, and restore things bit by but until you either have the same problems or have everything back.
Just my conservative opinion. Bottom line, I've never seen anybody recommend flashing without wiping.
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Well I'm not talking about flashing new roms, just nightly updates of the Cyanogenmod 6 nightlies... I've been flashing them without a problem. I just have this one strange problem.
So basically you're saying that yes, the backup will likely backup the bad corrupted file? Excuse me for sounding ignorant, but if bad files are backed up, then why do people backup their system files at all? Furthermore if Froyo includes application backup/restore why does anyone back anything up at all? Besides for bandwidth consumption.
berardi said:
Well I'm not talking about flashing new roms, just nightly updates of the Cyanogenmod 6 nightlies... I've been flashing them without a problem. I just have this one strange problem.
So basically you're saying that yes, the backup will likely backup the bad corrupted file? Excuse me for sounding ignorant, but if bad files are backed up, then why do people backup their system files at all? Furthermore if Froyo includes application backup/restore why does anyone back anything up at all? Besides for bandwidth consumption.
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Ah, yes, sorry, you can flash nightlies without wiping. Backing up is either a restore point before flashing a new ROM (so you can go back if you don't like the new ROM) or as a preventive measure against problems in the future. And not all of us are using Froyo.
Ok, so to me this program seems great - backs up pretty much EVERYTHING for me, so that if I flash and wipe a new rom, it restores everything to a usable level. Now my issue is I can't understand what people mean when they say you might as well not wipe at all. If you can't use TB to restore after a wipe, what is the point of using TB at all???
Is there a way to select parts that are "ok" to restore after a wipe? or is TB pretty much pointless?
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Read this it will help explain how TB can mess with your ROM.
http://geekfor.me/faq/why-you-shouldnt-be-using/
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Read this it will help explain how TB can mess with your ROM.
http://geekfor.me/faq/why-you-shouldnt-be-using/
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Thanks I read that but his post didn't really make it clear for me:
problem is that when a user makes the backup on one rom/build/version and imports it on another
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What exactly does this mean? I am running CM6 nightlies. Should it be wiped and not restored via TB each time? What about going from RC1 to RC2?
If the situation is such that you can restore via TB, then why not just flash the new one and skip wiping altogether?
Well one nice thing about Cm rom's is you can have google backup all the programs you download from the Market so no need for TB there. Where the problems can lie with TB is the SQLlite database files when restoring your user settings. If something has changed from rom versions and you restore your old sqllite settings and now its missing some information thats needed for the newer version rom it can cause problems like force closes or reboots.
For nightly's I just upgrade without a wipe. If I do have any quirks then I try a wipe which usually fixes whatever quirk I'm having.
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Well one nice thing about Cm rom's is you can have google backup all the programs you download from the Market so no need for TB there. Where the problems can lie with TB is the SQLlite database files when restoring your user settings. If something has changed from rom versions and you restore your old sqllite settings and now its missing some information thats needed for the newer version rom it can cause problems like force closes or reboots.
For nightly's I just upgrade without a wipe. If I do have any quirks then I try a wipe which usually fixes whatever quirk I'm having.
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yeah, I've been skipping the wipe unless there is a quirk.
So basically it sounds like TB is a total waste of time if you are running CM6? Sorry... just hard for me to understand why people love the program so much if there is no real application for it? Or is it just outdated by the backing up with Google?
it's like this - TB allows you to backup apps and settings. You may want to use this in addition to the backup that google provides - what if you find a great app, but its removed from the market? I don't think that the google backup will help you then - it will only restore what's currently in the market (disclaimer - I don't use CM6, so I'm not 100% on that).
The waste of time thing comes into play with people who have issues with a rom, so they re-flash the rom and restore apps and settings with TB. It might have been some of the settings (that were just restored with TB) that were causing the issues in the first place.
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it's like this - TB allows you to backup apps and settings. You may want to use this in addition to the backup that google provides - what if you find a great app, but its removed from the market? I don't think that the google backup will help you then - it will only restore what's currently in the market (disclaimer - I don't use CM6, so I'm not 100% on that).
The waste of time thing comes into play with people who have issues with a rom, so they re-flash the rom and restore apps and settings with TB. It might have been some of the settings (that were just restored with TB) that were causing the issues in the first place.
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^what he said
I LOVE TB but I use it to restore my apps and their data ONLY, I do not use it to restore system data.
I think with tb....when you restore your apps you have the choice to restore the apps with out the user data. Also you can choose to wipe them of data Before you restore.
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berardi said:
yeah, I've been skipping the wipe unless there is a quirk.
So basically it sounds like TB is a total waste of time if you are running CM6? Sorry... just hard for me to understand why people love the program so much if there is no real application for it? Or is it just outdated by the backing up with Google?
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Unlike Google's backup, TB backs up your /data/data folder, not just the APK's from your market-downloaded applications.
In other words, it backs up your application data, your apps you installed manually/downloaded, and all of your settings, such as Bluetooth name and pairings, WiFi networks (and security settings), etc.
My rule of thumb is, if going from one build to another (ie, Stock to CM6, etc.) then do NOT restore any system settings/apps. Just do a backup of YOUR apps, as-is, move over to the new ROM, restore apps and their settings, then go to the Market and update everything. Simple as that, and you shouldn't get any errors.
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it's like this - TB allows you to backup apps and settings. You may want to use this in addition to the backup that google provides - what if you find a great app, but its removed from the market? I don't think that the google backup will help you then - it will only restore what's currently in the market (disclaimer - I don't use CM6, so I'm not 100% on that).
The waste of time thing comes into play with people who have issues with a rom, so they re-flash the rom and restore apps and settings with TB. It might have been some of the settings (that were just restored with TB) that were causing the issues in the first place.
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Thanks that definitely helps. Market-removed apps seems like a good reason to have it. (I already bought it just trying to determine how to use it anyways)
Ok so is it fair enough to say it has a relatively "niche" market with the addition of market backups? I hate to be a bull in the ChinaShop but it seems like people really tip toe around the idea of TB being outdated by market backups. I get the general idea of what you guys are saying but I'm trying to decide what I want to do in personal practice.
I don't think I've experienced any issues but who knows if I've had less than optimal performance because of restoring previous settings. Are there any "safe" items that can be backed up and restored or is nothing really "safe" they all have entries in sqlite database that might be duplicated?
Thanks again guys for humoring me
Before ICS, restoring wasn't such a hassle because I could use Titanium Backup. I guess that doesn't work too well with any ICS ROMs (or, at least, AOKP).
So for those of you on either AOKP or CM9 - how are you restoring your **** after you wipe/flash? At this point, I'm doing it all manually which probably takes about 1-2 hours; 1-2 boooring hours!
Any tips?
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Before ICS, restoring wasn't such a hassle because I could use Titanium Backup. I guess that doesn't work too well with any ICS ROMs (or, at least, AOKP).
So for those of you on either AOKP or CM9 - how are you restoring your **** after you wipe/flash? At this point, I'm doing it all manually which probably takes about 1-2 hours; 1-2 boooring hours!
Any tips?
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I use My Backup Pro. Best backup app ever!
I used TB for a bit but found it giving me too many issues.
I know a lot of people prefer manual with the ICS leaks but I've had no issues since switching to My Backup Pro.
I dont restore....I like a clean rom.
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Before ICS, restoring wasn't such a hassle because I could use Titanium Backup. I guess that doesn't work too well with any ICS ROMs (or, at least, AOKP).
So for those of you on either AOKP or CM9 - how are you restoring your **** after you wipe/flash? At this point, I'm doing it all manually which probably takes about 1-2 hours; 1-2 boooring hours!
Any tips?
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Why aren't you able to use Titanium Back up? TB is what I used to restore my apps from a GB rom onto AOKP ICS.
I've used AOKP build 34 and cm9 alpha 3 and I've been able to use Titanium backup on both ROMS for Apps and App data. Others have said App data is probably a bad idea but so far I have had no trouble with it. Just make sure you don't restore system data. I accidently did that on my first flash, which was to the AOKP ROM and it screwed up SMS. However, just restoring Apps and data has worked fine for me on CM9 alpha 3 and AOKP 34, although others have said not to restore data for apps either so that's your call.
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I've used AOKP build 34 and cm9 alpha 3 and I've been able to use Titanium backup on both ROMS for Apps and App data. Others have said App data is probably a bad idea but so far I have had no trouble with it. Just make sure you don't restore system data. I accidently did that on my first flash, which was to the AOKP ROM and it screwed up SMS. However, just restoring Apps and data has worked fine for me on CM9 alpha 3 and AOKP 34, although others have said not to restore data for apps either so that's your call.
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Second on this as when I restored on ICS with TB it was only with apps and app data as well. System data is always pretty bad when you are restoring on a different Rom I think. I remember trying once when I flashed to CM7 and it completely screwed up the Rom and I had to wipe and reflash.
Its just not recommended guys its not like you can't do it. It was basically said so that there are not 100 posts about this not working and that not working all the while its because of a rogue app that had bad data. Try it if you want restore everything but if it goes bad for you then what... You got to start from scratch.
I am quite sure you do not need data restored for everything. Just do your apps and spot check which ones need data restored and get fix permissions from the market. If you get FC's after re installing data just run that to fix it up...
So TB away if you like but remember don't start complaining about bugs in rom threads if you do...
the recommendation from the install guide for cm9 tells to use "appbak" from the market, all it does is back up a list of apps you have then sends you to the market to download them fresh again, also i have noticed that gapps will automatically download many of the free apps saved to my account when i do a fresh install of a rom... you can always just download the apks from a third source and store them on your sd for quick install as well
Hello all,
I am thinking of flashing another rom to my Desire (currently have: Cool3D Aces v5 - but there's a lot of lag).
I want to keep some of my applications with their settings and data..in example, handcent (messages, settings), poweramp (settings), ColorNote notes, any.Do notes and etc..
Which program will help me do that?
I think titanium backup might be perfect for my needs. After flashing the new rom, can I restore each one of these apps at the exact state they were?
Am I going to experience any force-closes?
Thank you for your time!
You won't have FC's but depending on rom you might get slowdowns. It is recommended to restore just apps without data.
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there are several apps available which do the same thing, though i've never had a problem backing up and restoring apps with titanium
to restore them in the exact state, you have to restore app + data (again i've not had a problem with this). it should restore all your preferences, and also useful for things like games so you save your progress :victory:...
if this doesn't work, as above, just restore the app only, set everything else up manually (though this is not much different from downloading the app from scratch, sort of defeating the purpose of titanium)
i think titanium can now backup and restore sms as well, though not tried it. handcent may have the feature built in too.
do not restore system data with titanium, as it's very likely incompatible between roms, and that would cause FC's!
(backup your contacts through google if you haven't already)
I never had a problem in restoring user apps alongwith data. Saved me loads of homework everytime. If FC happens you can always clear that app data.
If you are moving from a gb rom to ICS or Jelly and restore app data it can cause issues. Moving from one gb rom to another is usually fine. I use my backup pro as I prefer it over titanium.
Thank you all for your replies!
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You won't have FC's but depending on rom you might get slowdowns. It is recommended to restore just apps without data.
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Why slowdowns? :S
eddiehk6 said:
there are several apps available which do the same thing, though i've never had a problem backing up and restoring apps with titanium
to restore them in the exact state, you have to restore app + data (again i've not had a problem with this). it should restore all your preferences, and also useful for things like games so you save your progress :victory:...
if this doesn't work, as above, just restore the app only, set everything else up manually (though this is not much different from downloading the app from scratch, sort of defeating the purpose of titanium)
i think titanium can now backup and restore sms as well, though not tried it. handcent may have the feature built in too.
do not restore system data with titanium, as it's very likely incompatible between roms, and that would cause FC's!
(backup your contacts through google if you haven't already)
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For sms I am using sms backup and restore (great app!). For handcent what I really care is to save my customizations to the interface, like theme, fonts, etc..
What does system data contain? (an example?)
I am usually backing them up by exporting them to the sd as .vcf..
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I never had a problem in restoring user apps alongwith data. Saved me loads of homework everytime. If FC happens you can always clear that app data.
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Great! So the data is making problems? :S
hans moleman said:
If you are moving from a gb rom to ICS or Jelly and restore app data it can cause issues. Moving from one gb rom to another is usually fine. I use my backup pro as I prefer it over titanium.
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Good thank you!
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Is there going to be any problem as the rom I am using has A2SD functionality?
I just saw in this thread that there is also a "Dalvik.Cache To SD-EXT"..should I use it for now, to temporarily get more space?
Apparently davik on sd is a bit slower. I have had davlik on sd on several different roms and can honestly say I have never noticed a slowdown so go for it if you need the space.
You should be fine restoring if using A2SD. As mentioned earlier by handy if you get probs you might have to clear your app data. Worst case uninstall the problem app and re-install. If you get force close issues after restoring apps try fix_permissions.
I've got FCs when I restore a bunch of apps or all my apps with Titanium. My solution was to remember what apps did FC and restore them one by one with Titanium, et voila no more FCs
Don't know why this happens, but as long as I now know a solution for this I am quite happy
OK so I'm not sure what exactly is going on but whenever I flash my rim to do testing and whatnot I make a nandroid, do a full wipe, flash rom, gapps and then kernel, then reboot, let sit for about 10 mins, and then go through the setup, my data works completely fine, no drops in connection or anything, I can download apps on 4g even, so I downloaded titanium Backup and set it up, but whenever I restore my apps, just my apps only, no system data or app data the restore completes and then I don't a reboot and then my data no longer works, I've double checked the apn and nothing is out of the ordinary, it has to be titanium Backup because I've tried different kernels, different roms and still the same issue, does anyone have any idea what might cause this?
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Tibu is not the panacea it's made out to be. Don't do a batch restore. Only restore the apps you really need. It's much better to use Google to restore your apps.
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Tibu is not the panacea it's made out to be. Don't do a batch restore. Only restore the apps you really need. It's much better to use Google to restore your apps.
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Well that is a matter of opinion. Using google to restore apps will always give you the latest versions of the apps. And that is often not a good thing. (I have 6 apps right now that I dont want updated because the newer version is crappier) Google isnt real good with restoring app data either.
There is nothing wrong with restoring using titanium for apps and data. The only place it shouldn't be recommended is for restoring system settings or data. That is where you get version/rom incompatibilities.
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OK so I'm not sure what exactly is going on but whenever I flash my rim to do testing and whatnot I make a nandroid, do a full wipe, flash rom, gapps and then kernel, then reboot, let sit for about 10 mins, and then go through the setup, my data works completely fine, no drops in connection or anythinrestoringrestoring, I can download apps on 4g even, so I downloaded titanium Backup and set it up, but whenever I restore my apps, just my apps only, no system data or app data the restore completes and then I don't a reboot and then my data no longer works, I've double checked the apn and nothing is out of the ordinary, it has to be titanium Backup because I've tried different kernels, different roms and still the same issue, does anyone have any idea what might cause this?
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I always use TB to restore my apps. Never had a issue. Always use batch restore and restore only apps and data. Not sure what's going on but I ONLY use it to restore apps. What exactly are you pressing during your restoration process? I only restore missing apps with data in the scenerios. Never had I had any issues. perhaps try restoring missing apps AND data. this is what I do. Works every time without issue. Problem might lie in the fact your not restoring apps and data. Give it a shot. Let me know. It should work perfectly for you. Does for me always. Your not restoring data this is likely your issue. so during restoration press " restore apps AND data" this should solve the issue.