Does TB back settings up so extensively that a clean wipe + TB restore will restore the previous problems? (I'm having issues with the Android Wifi Tether 3rd party app)
What is the advantage of doing a clean wipe + TB restore versus just installing a rom upgrade over the present data, without a wipe?
Just got the Donate version of Titanium and trying to understand how it works in the circumstance of a clean wipe.
Basically does it backup all the good stuff (settings) without backing up anything corrupted that might cause problems? (Assuming a stupid setting isn't the problem since that would be backed up)
Thanks!
Titanium just backs up the apk's unless you also back up app settings, user settings, etc. If there is a problem with corruption, it will probably stay with the backup. You could reinstall the apps you suspect. I would think your problem is corruption in the system itself, so maybe a reflash would help.
But don't flash without wiping, that's just a bad idea anyway. It's not like you're just saving personal settings, you're just painting over the old data. Do a full backup of all apps, data, and user settings, then wipe everything, reflash, and restore things bit by but until you either have the same problems or have everything back.
Just my conservative opinion. Bottom line, I've never seen anybody recommend flashing without wiping.
SilverZero said:
Titanium just backs up the apk's unless you also back up app settings, user settings, etc. If there is a problem with corruption, it will probably stay with the backup. You could reinstall the apps you suspect. I would think your problem is corruption in the system itself, so maybe a reflash would help.
But don't flash without wiping, that's just a bad idea anyway. It's not like you're just saving personal settings, you're just painting over the old data. Do a full backup of all apps, data, and user settings, then wipe everything, reflash, and restore things bit by but until you either have the same problems or have everything back.
Just my conservative opinion. Bottom line, I've never seen anybody recommend flashing without wiping.
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Well I'm not talking about flashing new roms, just nightly updates of the Cyanogenmod 6 nightlies... I've been flashing them without a problem. I just have this one strange problem.
So basically you're saying that yes, the backup will likely backup the bad corrupted file? Excuse me for sounding ignorant, but if bad files are backed up, then why do people backup their system files at all? Furthermore if Froyo includes application backup/restore why does anyone back anything up at all? Besides for bandwidth consumption.
berardi said:
Well I'm not talking about flashing new roms, just nightly updates of the Cyanogenmod 6 nightlies... I've been flashing them without a problem. I just have this one strange problem.
So basically you're saying that yes, the backup will likely backup the bad corrupted file? Excuse me for sounding ignorant, but if bad files are backed up, then why do people backup their system files at all? Furthermore if Froyo includes application backup/restore why does anyone back anything up at all? Besides for bandwidth consumption.
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Ah, yes, sorry, you can flash nightlies without wiping. Backing up is either a restore point before flashing a new ROM (so you can go back if you don't like the new ROM) or as a preventive measure against problems in the future. And not all of us are using Froyo.
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Ok, so to me this program seems great - backs up pretty much EVERYTHING for me, so that if I flash and wipe a new rom, it restores everything to a usable level. Now my issue is I can't understand what people mean when they say you might as well not wipe at all. If you can't use TB to restore after a wipe, what is the point of using TB at all???
Is there a way to select parts that are "ok" to restore after a wipe? or is TB pretty much pointless?
Thanks
Read this it will help explain how TB can mess with your ROM.
http://geekfor.me/faq/why-you-shouldnt-be-using/
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Read this it will help explain how TB can mess with your ROM.
http://geekfor.me/faq/why-you-shouldnt-be-using/
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Thanks I read that but his post didn't really make it clear for me:
problem is that when a user makes the backup on one rom/build/version and imports it on another
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What exactly does this mean? I am running CM6 nightlies. Should it be wiped and not restored via TB each time? What about going from RC1 to RC2?
If the situation is such that you can restore via TB, then why not just flash the new one and skip wiping altogether?
Well one nice thing about Cm rom's is you can have google backup all the programs you download from the Market so no need for TB there. Where the problems can lie with TB is the SQLlite database files when restoring your user settings. If something has changed from rom versions and you restore your old sqllite settings and now its missing some information thats needed for the newer version rom it can cause problems like force closes or reboots.
For nightly's I just upgrade without a wipe. If I do have any quirks then I try a wipe which usually fixes whatever quirk I'm having.
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Well one nice thing about Cm rom's is you can have google backup all the programs you download from the Market so no need for TB there. Where the problems can lie with TB is the SQLlite database files when restoring your user settings. If something has changed from rom versions and you restore your old sqllite settings and now its missing some information thats needed for the newer version rom it can cause problems like force closes or reboots.
For nightly's I just upgrade without a wipe. If I do have any quirks then I try a wipe which usually fixes whatever quirk I'm having.
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yeah, I've been skipping the wipe unless there is a quirk.
So basically it sounds like TB is a total waste of time if you are running CM6? Sorry... just hard for me to understand why people love the program so much if there is no real application for it? Or is it just outdated by the backing up with Google?
it's like this - TB allows you to backup apps and settings. You may want to use this in addition to the backup that google provides - what if you find a great app, but its removed from the market? I don't think that the google backup will help you then - it will only restore what's currently in the market (disclaimer - I don't use CM6, so I'm not 100% on that).
The waste of time thing comes into play with people who have issues with a rom, so they re-flash the rom and restore apps and settings with TB. It might have been some of the settings (that were just restored with TB) that were causing the issues in the first place.
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it's like this - TB allows you to backup apps and settings. You may want to use this in addition to the backup that google provides - what if you find a great app, but its removed from the market? I don't think that the google backup will help you then - it will only restore what's currently in the market (disclaimer - I don't use CM6, so I'm not 100% on that).
The waste of time thing comes into play with people who have issues with a rom, so they re-flash the rom and restore apps and settings with TB. It might have been some of the settings (that were just restored with TB) that were causing the issues in the first place.
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^what he said
I LOVE TB but I use it to restore my apps and their data ONLY, I do not use it to restore system data.
I think with tb....when you restore your apps you have the choice to restore the apps with out the user data. Also you can choose to wipe them of data Before you restore.
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berardi said:
yeah, I've been skipping the wipe unless there is a quirk.
So basically it sounds like TB is a total waste of time if you are running CM6? Sorry... just hard for me to understand why people love the program so much if there is no real application for it? Or is it just outdated by the backing up with Google?
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Unlike Google's backup, TB backs up your /data/data folder, not just the APK's from your market-downloaded applications.
In other words, it backs up your application data, your apps you installed manually/downloaded, and all of your settings, such as Bluetooth name and pairings, WiFi networks (and security settings), etc.
My rule of thumb is, if going from one build to another (ie, Stock to CM6, etc.) then do NOT restore any system settings/apps. Just do a backup of YOUR apps, as-is, move over to the new ROM, restore apps and their settings, then go to the Market and update everything. Simple as that, and you shouldn't get any errors.
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it's like this - TB allows you to backup apps and settings. You may want to use this in addition to the backup that google provides - what if you find a great app, but its removed from the market? I don't think that the google backup will help you then - it will only restore what's currently in the market (disclaimer - I don't use CM6, so I'm not 100% on that).
The waste of time thing comes into play with people who have issues with a rom, so they re-flash the rom and restore apps and settings with TB. It might have been some of the settings (that were just restored with TB) that were causing the issues in the first place.
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Thanks that definitely helps. Market-removed apps seems like a good reason to have it. (I already bought it just trying to determine how to use it anyways)
Ok so is it fair enough to say it has a relatively "niche" market with the addition of market backups? I hate to be a bull in the ChinaShop but it seems like people really tip toe around the idea of TB being outdated by market backups. I get the general idea of what you guys are saying but I'm trying to decide what I want to do in personal practice.
I don't think I've experienced any issues but who knows if I've had less than optimal performance because of restoring previous settings. Are there any "safe" items that can be backed up and restored or is nothing really "safe" they all have entries in sqlite database that might be duplicated?
Thanks again guys for humoring me
Heya.
I want to backup my contacts, my SMSs and App Data before doing a super wipe and flashing a new rom. I'd also like to backup my phone settings and apps too, but that probably kinda removes some of the beneficial effects of the wipe.
I've used Titanium Backup to do these things before, but I've been getting more and more FCs that no one else using the rom have reported so I'm thinking my wiping hasn't been fully effective.
What are the best ways to backup these things? I want the backup methods to be easy to do and restore but should leave othing bad behind so I wouldn't get extra FCs.
Best for contacts: Google (?)
Best for SMS: ?
Best for App Data: ?
Thanks alot!
Diffler said:
Heya.
I want to backup my contacts, my SMSs and App Data before doing a super wipe and flashing a new rom. I'd also like to backup my phone settings and apps too, but that probably kinda removes some of the beneficial effects of the wipe.
I've used Titanium Backup to do these things before, but I've been getting more and more FCs that no one else using the rom have reported so I'm thinking my wiping hasn't been fully effective.
What are the best ways to backup these things? I want the backup methods to be easy to do and restore but should leave othing bad behind so I wouldn't get extra FCs.
Best for contacts: Google (?)
Best for SMS: ?
Best for App Data: ?
Thanks alot!
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I use mybackup root and dont have any problems there is a free version on the market to try first.
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Before flashing a new rom be sure to do backups if you don't want to have problems. But also be aware that some programs may perform different on different ROMs because of kernel, sense ans no-sense roms etc. Some programs I backedup on some roms worked like charm and on some roms they FC, but after uninstall and instal from .apk program works again.
For program and DATA I use Titanium. You can restore only APP, Only DATA or both APP+DATA (which can restore high scores in games or program settings you set).
Titanium backup can also restore screens and system datas like Wi-Fi settings, accounts, SMS messages...... With that system data I found most problems because roms have a different versions of stock programs, and restoring data for facebook old version while backup is made on new version can be a problem. Happened to me. It is best if you restore system data to exact same rom or an updated version of last used rom (my experience).
Contacts you don't have to backup, at least i don't, because they will be pulled back to your phone when you set your google account.
I take screenshots of homescreen and app drawer, just in case that I don't forget something to install.
Full wipe you have to do when you completely moving from one rom to another. If you just upgrading you don't have to full wipe (only if it is necessary, but it will be written on home page of a rom developer). Every rom come with detailed instruction how to install. Some of them have application (.zip) to full wipe and format system. It there is such application you have to use it, if you want FC free DHD.
Hope it helps,
Thanks, looks good. Is it okay to move settings from older rom with older kernel and other things to a newer rom or can these cause force closes? How about app data, I'd like to keep my progress on few games for example, does backuping app data and moving them to a wiped fresh rom cause force closes?
Thanks!
EDIT: Didn't see the last post before this reply, it clears up stuff, thanks!
When updating or switching Roms entirely, I go through the typical steps through CWM: Back up, Wipe Date, Wipe Dalvik, Install zip, Restore .data . I was wondering if restoring the data interferes with anything, such as new features/updates from the new Rom. Am I just recycling the properties of the properties of the first Rom by restoring the data?
Most of the time it's oh to restore data unless the room developer explicitly says bout to.. never restore system apps data and never restore data when moving between different versions of android or if switching between tw and cm roms (even though, with the latter you can get away with it sometimes, it can cause problems and I never recommend doing it...) that being said, I never restore any data at all. I back up apps only and never restore their data to minimize problems... (I don't play games and the such on my phone)
When I switch rooms I do a full wipe. Never back up anything. I can 're-download my apps from market. I have nothing important on phone that requires me to back up. Less problems this way.
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When I switch rooms I do a full wipe. Never back up anything. I can 're-download my apps from market. I have nothing important on phone that requires me to back up. Less problems this way.
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Backing up just apps without data will cause no problems ever... this only applies to user apps, not system apps
OK so I'm not sure what exactly is going on but whenever I flash my rim to do testing and whatnot I make a nandroid, do a full wipe, flash rom, gapps and then kernel, then reboot, let sit for about 10 mins, and then go through the setup, my data works completely fine, no drops in connection or anything, I can download apps on 4g even, so I downloaded titanium Backup and set it up, but whenever I restore my apps, just my apps only, no system data or app data the restore completes and then I don't a reboot and then my data no longer works, I've double checked the apn and nothing is out of the ordinary, it has to be titanium Backup because I've tried different kernels, different roms and still the same issue, does anyone have any idea what might cause this?
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Tibu is not the panacea it's made out to be. Don't do a batch restore. Only restore the apps you really need. It's much better to use Google to restore your apps.
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Tibu is not the panacea it's made out to be. Don't do a batch restore. Only restore the apps you really need. It's much better to use Google to restore your apps.
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Well that is a matter of opinion. Using google to restore apps will always give you the latest versions of the apps. And that is often not a good thing. (I have 6 apps right now that I dont want updated because the newer version is crappier) Google isnt real good with restoring app data either.
There is nothing wrong with restoring using titanium for apps and data. The only place it shouldn't be recommended is for restoring system settings or data. That is where you get version/rom incompatibilities.
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OK so I'm not sure what exactly is going on but whenever I flash my rim to do testing and whatnot I make a nandroid, do a full wipe, flash rom, gapps and then kernel, then reboot, let sit for about 10 mins, and then go through the setup, my data works completely fine, no drops in connection or anythinrestoringrestoring, I can download apps on 4g even, so I downloaded titanium Backup and set it up, but whenever I restore my apps, just my apps only, no system data or app data the restore completes and then I don't a reboot and then my data no longer works, I've double checked the apn and nothing is out of the ordinary, it has to be titanium Backup because I've tried different kernels, different roms and still the same issue, does anyone have any idea what might cause this?
Sent from my T-Mobile Galaxy S4 AKA the baddest of the bad.
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I always use TB to restore my apps. Never had a issue. Always use batch restore and restore only apps and data. Not sure what's going on but I ONLY use it to restore apps. What exactly are you pressing during your restoration process? I only restore missing apps with data in the scenerios. Never had I had any issues. perhaps try restoring missing apps AND data. this is what I do. Works every time without issue. Problem might lie in the fact your not restoring apps and data. Give it a shot. Let me know. It should work perfectly for you. Does for me always. Your not restoring data this is likely your issue. so during restoration press " restore apps AND data" this should solve the issue.
So I really like lg's stock ui and its functionality and I want to see how I like using CloudyG3 but I really don't want to go through the process of losing my data and all of my games and stuff and having to re-download them or restore them again. My question is, can I just backup my data partition via twrp and restore it again upon switching roms? I feel like that would mess up something (given I do have qremote for aosp and I did flash the htc camera port but it keeps disappearing for some reason whenever I reboot) and end up bricking my precious phone. (Thanks)
You can, but problems can sometimes appear (force closes, etc). Best bet: backup everything (apps+data) with something like Titanium Backup and restore when needed.
Yeah I usually use titanium but sometimes it doesn't like to restore everything correctly and I end up with some of my apps there and some of them with their data missing. Thanks for answering also is there a way to modify which apps twrp backs up when backing up data?
I don't believe so. It backs up the whole partition as a single image.
Ah oh well thanks
Nope nevermind domt ever do that it ****ed up my phone haha. I had a backup though so it's all good