When updating or switching Roms entirely, I go through the typical steps through CWM: Back up, Wipe Date, Wipe Dalvik, Install zip, Restore .data . I was wondering if restoring the data interferes with anything, such as new features/updates from the new Rom. Am I just recycling the properties of the properties of the first Rom by restoring the data?
Most of the time it's oh to restore data unless the room developer explicitly says bout to.. never restore system apps data and never restore data when moving between different versions of android or if switching between tw and cm roms (even though, with the latter you can get away with it sometimes, it can cause problems and I never recommend doing it...) that being said, I never restore any data at all. I back up apps only and never restore their data to minimize problems... (I don't play games and the such on my phone)
When I switch rooms I do a full wipe. Never back up anything. I can 're-download my apps from market. I have nothing important on phone that requires me to back up. Less problems this way.
doubledragon5 said:
When I switch rooms I do a full wipe. Never back up anything. I can 're-download my apps from market. I have nothing important on phone that requires me to back up. Less problems this way.
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Backing up just apps without data will cause no problems ever... this only applies to user apps, not system apps
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Does TB back settings up so extensively that a clean wipe + TB restore will restore the previous problems? (I'm having issues with the Android Wifi Tether 3rd party app)
What is the advantage of doing a clean wipe + TB restore versus just installing a rom upgrade over the present data, without a wipe?
Just got the Donate version of Titanium and trying to understand how it works in the circumstance of a clean wipe.
Basically does it backup all the good stuff (settings) without backing up anything corrupted that might cause problems? (Assuming a stupid setting isn't the problem since that would be backed up)
Thanks!
Titanium just backs up the apk's unless you also back up app settings, user settings, etc. If there is a problem with corruption, it will probably stay with the backup. You could reinstall the apps you suspect. I would think your problem is corruption in the system itself, so maybe a reflash would help.
But don't flash without wiping, that's just a bad idea anyway. It's not like you're just saving personal settings, you're just painting over the old data. Do a full backup of all apps, data, and user settings, then wipe everything, reflash, and restore things bit by but until you either have the same problems or have everything back.
Just my conservative opinion. Bottom line, I've never seen anybody recommend flashing without wiping.
SilverZero said:
Titanium just backs up the apk's unless you also back up app settings, user settings, etc. If there is a problem with corruption, it will probably stay with the backup. You could reinstall the apps you suspect. I would think your problem is corruption in the system itself, so maybe a reflash would help.
But don't flash without wiping, that's just a bad idea anyway. It's not like you're just saving personal settings, you're just painting over the old data. Do a full backup of all apps, data, and user settings, then wipe everything, reflash, and restore things bit by but until you either have the same problems or have everything back.
Just my conservative opinion. Bottom line, I've never seen anybody recommend flashing without wiping.
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Well I'm not talking about flashing new roms, just nightly updates of the Cyanogenmod 6 nightlies... I've been flashing them without a problem. I just have this one strange problem.
So basically you're saying that yes, the backup will likely backup the bad corrupted file? Excuse me for sounding ignorant, but if bad files are backed up, then why do people backup their system files at all? Furthermore if Froyo includes application backup/restore why does anyone back anything up at all? Besides for bandwidth consumption.
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Well I'm not talking about flashing new roms, just nightly updates of the Cyanogenmod 6 nightlies... I've been flashing them without a problem. I just have this one strange problem.
So basically you're saying that yes, the backup will likely backup the bad corrupted file? Excuse me for sounding ignorant, but if bad files are backed up, then why do people backup their system files at all? Furthermore if Froyo includes application backup/restore why does anyone back anything up at all? Besides for bandwidth consumption.
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Ah, yes, sorry, you can flash nightlies without wiping. Backing up is either a restore point before flashing a new ROM (so you can go back if you don't like the new ROM) or as a preventive measure against problems in the future. And not all of us are using Froyo.
I've got the eagle's blood ROM running now and am quite happy. I'm wondering what happens if I won't to try an other ROM. Will I loose all applications and settings? Only applications?
Should I do a full back up before flashing and a full recovery after? What is stirred in a back up? Settings. Or just apps?
Thanks for the run down
if you do a full back up its like taking a snap shot of everything you have the way you have it. So feel free to try any rom out there. I currently have two backups 1. is my current rom that I'm on right now and the other is stock. If you don't have it Id also suggest getting titianum back up and pay for it. It also takes a snap shot as well if you pay for it then it will keep all your settings and you can do a batch restore and restore all at once....
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if you do a full back up its like taking a snap shot of everything you have the way you have it. So feel free to try any rom out there. I currently have two backups 1. is my current rom that I'm on right now and the other is stock. If you don't have it Id also suggest getting titianum back up and pay for it. It also takes a snap shot as well if you pay for it then it will keep all your settings and you can do a batch restore and restore all at once....
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I like to keep a number of backups around: Stock, StockDebloated, [MyCurrentRom Without any modifications], [MyCurrentRom with modifications], [OtherRomILikeToUse]
It takes up space and it takes time and patience to build up a library of backups but it makes flashing between different ROMs very easy and it lets me always be able to change things up at the drop of a hat.
pairustwo said:
I've got the eagle's blood ROM running now and am quite happy. I'm wondering what happens if I won't to try an other ROM. Will I loose all applications and settings? Only applications?
Should I do a full back up before flashing and a full recovery after? What is stirred in a back up? Settings. Or just apps?
Thanks for the run down
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1.) Yes! Full backup meaning Nandroid backup with CWR or Rom Manager, the later is an app from the creator of CWR so works while booted and reboots back to android automatically for you, less intervention by you. This is a fail safe so if you dont like new rom restore and its like you never left.
2.) If you switch to a different ROM, meaning not the update of the one you are currently running then you DO NOT full restore. Actually you NEVER full restore unless you are doing #1.) above. You only want to restore your apps with data and maybe some of your settings. Restored settings can sometimes cause problems as different ROMs can have things in different places from where the old settings came.
As mentioned titanium PRO/donate version is well worth it. It will allow you to reinstall your apps and data for those apps i.e. passwords, names, personal info. It does so by color coding what is (potentially) safe to reinstall and shows what not should be reinstalled i.e. red items or system files from the previous rom(s). The difference from that and a data restore with CWR is titanium lets you select/deselect what you want to restore.
So let me see if I understand this.
If I wan't to change ROMs - but keep my applications and as many settings as possible - I should use Titanium Backup.
Any CWM back up will simply take a snapshot of the current ROM with Applications and would be no use in restoring applications only to a New ROM.
pairustwo said:
So let me see if I understand this.
If I wan't to change ROMs - but keep my applications and as many settings as possible - I should use Titanium Backup.
Any CWM back up will simply take a snapshot of the current ROM with Applications and would be no use in restoring applications only to a New ROM.
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You want to do a back up of rom regardless so if something goes wrong you can flash back to the it. You use titanium to back up all your apps and data so when you boot into your newly flashed rom you can have titanium restore all your apps and data.
Whats the best way to restore apps and data without corrupting certain system apps but still getting the most system data restored?
You almost always never want to restore system data across the roms...though it doesn't always cause an issue. What kind of system data do you want to restore? I mostly just restore apps+data for user apps.
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Lol everything cuz it saves so much time. The icons on the home screens every single setting and ringtones but im running into issues by doing so but like i said it takes so long not to just restore system data. I guess im looking for the specifics of each system app that shouldnt be restored.
i don't mess with trying to restore system data... it usually causes problems... the safest bet is to only restore data on apps u installed... some stuff like alarm clocks and wireless pairings work fine. Trying to restore system launcher data and other and system apps(not unistallable) will cause data corruption hence the force closes etc... when flashing a new rom its best to give the system a fresh start rather than restoring old data from a previous set up... yeah its tedious setting up apps again but it will save frustration later on...
OK so I'm not sure what exactly is going on but whenever I flash my rim to do testing and whatnot I make a nandroid, do a full wipe, flash rom, gapps and then kernel, then reboot, let sit for about 10 mins, and then go through the setup, my data works completely fine, no drops in connection or anything, I can download apps on 4g even, so I downloaded titanium Backup and set it up, but whenever I restore my apps, just my apps only, no system data or app data the restore completes and then I don't a reboot and then my data no longer works, I've double checked the apn and nothing is out of the ordinary, it has to be titanium Backup because I've tried different kernels, different roms and still the same issue, does anyone have any idea what might cause this?
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Tibu is not the panacea it's made out to be. Don't do a batch restore. Only restore the apps you really need. It's much better to use Google to restore your apps.
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Tibu is not the panacea it's made out to be. Don't do a batch restore. Only restore the apps you really need. It's much better to use Google to restore your apps.
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Well that is a matter of opinion. Using google to restore apps will always give you the latest versions of the apps. And that is often not a good thing. (I have 6 apps right now that I dont want updated because the newer version is crappier) Google isnt real good with restoring app data either.
There is nothing wrong with restoring using titanium for apps and data. The only place it shouldn't be recommended is for restoring system settings or data. That is where you get version/rom incompatibilities.
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OK so I'm not sure what exactly is going on but whenever I flash my rim to do testing and whatnot I make a nandroid, do a full wipe, flash rom, gapps and then kernel, then reboot, let sit for about 10 mins, and then go through the setup, my data works completely fine, no drops in connection or anythinrestoringrestoring, I can download apps on 4g even, so I downloaded titanium Backup and set it up, but whenever I restore my apps, just my apps only, no system data or app data the restore completes and then I don't a reboot and then my data no longer works, I've double checked the apn and nothing is out of the ordinary, it has to be titanium Backup because I've tried different kernels, different roms and still the same issue, does anyone have any idea what might cause this?
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I always use TB to restore my apps. Never had a issue. Always use batch restore and restore only apps and data. Not sure what's going on but I ONLY use it to restore apps. What exactly are you pressing during your restoration process? I only restore missing apps with data in the scenerios. Never had I had any issues. perhaps try restoring missing apps AND data. this is what I do. Works every time without issue. Problem might lie in the fact your not restoring apps and data. Give it a shot. Let me know. It should work perfectly for you. Does for me always. Your not restoring data this is likely your issue. so during restoration press " restore apps AND data" this should solve the issue.
So I really like lg's stock ui and its functionality and I want to see how I like using CloudyG3 but I really don't want to go through the process of losing my data and all of my games and stuff and having to re-download them or restore them again. My question is, can I just backup my data partition via twrp and restore it again upon switching roms? I feel like that would mess up something (given I do have qremote for aosp and I did flash the htc camera port but it keeps disappearing for some reason whenever I reboot) and end up bricking my precious phone. (Thanks)
You can, but problems can sometimes appear (force closes, etc). Best bet: backup everything (apps+data) with something like Titanium Backup and restore when needed.
Yeah I usually use titanium but sometimes it doesn't like to restore everything correctly and I end up with some of my apps there and some of them with their data missing. Thanks for answering also is there a way to modify which apps twrp backs up when backing up data?
I don't believe so. It backs up the whole partition as a single image.
Ah oh well thanks
Nope nevermind domt ever do that it ****ed up my phone haha. I had a backup though so it's all good