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http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/18/visualized-the-glamorous-lifestyles-of-wp7-jailbreakers/
Sooo awesome
Good on you MS.
It's important nowadays for these companies to find a middle ground between locking a product down completely and opening it for everyone/anyone to mess with.
On one hand, if they lock it down, piracy will inevitably occur on a wide scale.
If they open it up, they won't make any money for future developments.
It's good to see they're taking an open approach and using there heads for a change.
its a good thing for MS open up and listen to idea.. wp7 has a bright future.. i haven't touch my droid since oct
I smell a publicity stunt. Large corporations are ran by lawyers, not good hearted people that care about what people want.
Do you actually think any thing good will come from this? I see a one sided deal happening nothing more.
So getting a 4XL T-Shirt declares WP7 as awesome.
Cool
This is great news. I was surprised that MS locked WP7 down so much, and wouldn't be surprised at all if they allowed sideloading in the future, turning the marketplace into a sort of "approved apps" store, like Apple have done on the Mac.
In response to the guy who's never had a job, large corporations are run by a CEO or equivalent, same as everything else. Microsoft would do better to welcome community support than be seen to be outsmarted by it, so I'm sure they will.
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I smell a publicity stunt. Large corporations are ran by lawyers, not good hearted people that care about what people want.
Do you actually think any thing good will come from this? I see a one sided deal happening nothing more.
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Nice way to think positive haha!
We'll get what we want one way or another.
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I smell a publicity stunt. Large corporations are ran by lawyers, not good hearted people that care about what people want.
Do you actually think any thing good will come from this? I see a one sided deal happening nothing more.
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cstrife999 8 hours ago in reply to Sang Noir
Seriously this is nothing short of a PR stunt. I would bet my bottom dollar that behind the scenes things are moving differently.
Are you this guy on Engadget?
Yep vetvito, it's me again. Calling you out on your negativity towards WP7.
I know public discourse is encouraged here but public discourse that's always negative is kinda annoying.
This is an awesome move by MS. Some other companies would've ambushed them with lawyers once they were behind closed doors.
Oh how they have learned
I actually believe that MS has learn't some important lessons prior to releasing Win 7 & Phone 7. The most important one being listen to all your customers and take on board what they are saying.
Will be interesting to see what comes of the discussions and if the OS will be opened up somewhat for customisation.
Go the Chevron guys.. Oh, they are Aussies too.
Hopefully something good comes out of this.
Businesses want the ability to side-load apps also. And I'd love to be able to play with my phone by making apps that I have no intention of trying to sell or market.
Otherwise... well, at least they got a T-shirt.
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cstrife999 8 hours ago in reply to Sang Noir
Seriously this is nothing short of a PR stunt. I would bet my bottom dollar that behind the scenes things are moving differently.
Are you this guy on Engadget?
Yep vetvito, it's me again. Calling you out on your negativity towards WP7.
I know public discourse is encouraged here but public discourse that's always negative is kinda annoying.
This is an awesome move by MS. Some other companies would've ambushed them with lawyers once they were behind closed doors.
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What the hell is endgagdet? Who said anything negative?
Anyway, more security is all I see coming.
More awesomeness.
Brandon Watson just sent a tweet to Geohot offering him a WP7 Phone so that he could "build cool stuff" and "let dev creativity flourish."
you think microsoft is that good
they're doing a bit more
http://wmpoweruser.com/geohot-threatens-to-buy-a-windows-phone/
they are personally giving geohot a wp7 device FOR FREE
*claps* bravo microsoft!
unless, they're asking all hackers to plug in all conceivable holes which may lead to less options...
well geohot got more than a tshirt
I believe is going to try to figure out a proper way for people to make homebrew stuff for WP7. Proper meaning that there is some security that needs to go in but still let the developers do whatever they can. Is it walled? Yes, but it to some extent there needs to be security so that the people who are making applications for the marketplace don't get sh*tted on (aka piracy). Hopefully this happens. At least Microsoft is listening.
i believe microsoft is moving in the right direction. we still need to see results, but at least they're making it secure for the people who have no idea, but trying to open it up to those that actually understand what they're doing, and what the risks are for doing it.
Apple and Sony could really learn from MS... who knew that MS wasn't as backward as the media likes to make them out to be.
Brandon Watson and the MS WP7 team are incredibly insightful. Whether it's for PR or not, this is going to make WP7 look MUCH better in the eyes of the public (well, the non-Android and iPhone fanboys anyhow, but the fanboys don't matter anyways).
In the words of Admiral Ackbar.... ITS A TRAP
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What the hell is endgagdet? Who said anything negative?
Anyway, more security is all I see coming.
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I quit reading Engadget after seeing their Apple biased.
So do I, but I am sure that it is much more than that, I hope.
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I smell a publicity stunt. Large corporations are ran by lawyers, not good hearted people that care about what people want.
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I've worked for large corporations for the last 15 years, and what you said is complete and total bull****. Lawyers don't run the company, they're hired to try and *protect* the company from a lawsuit-happy public. Generally speaking, the people who run large corporations are no different from anyone else.
That said, yes, there are incidents of people becoming power-happy and thinking they can use the protection of a corporation to get away with damn near anything. And more often than not, those people are slapped down like the idiots they are, as they deserve. Meanwhile, the decent people at the company are left to pick up the pieces and try to save what face they can.
It's bad ideology to lump people so blindly into groups the way you just did. It's no different than using race or religion as a basis for discrimination, and you really should think a little more deeply and look at the overwhelming majority of GOOD people who run GOOD businesses rather than tripping into trite generalizations.
I believe MS see the reasoning behind giving their audience what they want. Even though Apple are PR geniouses, MS aren't stupid either. Think of all the programs that are "leaked" to "pirates" and never seem to stop working, even though the serial is openly exchanged. They may not play the media the way Hand Jobs does, but they sure know how to create hype by going the back way - letting power users and early adopters "find" their apps. Guess who really decides which applications and platforms to use. The management? Nah...It's the system administrators.
Back in the day I was told to install a server from RIM so we could test out their hand sets. The day before sending it back I did a half-assed install just to prove it wasn't working. Didn't even want to check if it was possible Think RIM got a foot inside even though the importer were best buddies with the CEO and were part of the board? Nah...
Same thing applies here. MS knows it, and they won't **** on their user base. That's the same reasoning as not releasing their lawyers on "pirates". In other words - not run by the lawyers, but actually keeping them on a pretty tight leash.
Pretty obvious that the uber microites run the show, people making totally valid points about an OS with a lack of facilities, that the OS it is replacing had in abundance are castigated and threads closed. Free speech my arse, wonder if the microsoft adverts that keep popping up could give us a clue, and there again perhaps I don't wonder. Whatever happened to democracy, are the uber microites dispensing their sponsors version of that ????
Who ever said this place was a democracy? If you don't like how it's run, maybe you shouldn't be so loyal. Plenty of other sites where you can go and be a rebel.
Personally, I just can't get enough of this place.
Same **** happens in the android section every day. Seemingly the only somewhat mature community on here is the WinMo community and that's because most of them are dinosaurs.
elyl said:
Who ever said this place was a democracy? If you don't like how it's run, maybe you shouldn't be so loyal. Plenty of other sites where you can go and be a rebel.
Personally, I just can't get enough of this place.
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Maybe I just went to a better school.
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Maybe I just went to a better school.
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Doubt it, mate, or you wouldn't still be living in that dump Larkhall.
HMRC Loyal RSC
rhory, do the community a favor and leave since you have such a great problem. You don't know how to share opinions, you attack people who disagree with you. You make retarded claims such as 'its a beta OS' when you have no idea what the term 'beta' means. And it gets old you trolling every single positive topic. It isn't that speech is restricted, it's that you feel the need to be a jerk in every single topic and ruin the experience.
The mods probably just don't want trolls running rampent across the forum, which on a forum like this would be easy to have happen. There isn't bias in that.
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Doubt it, mate, or you wouldn't still be living in that dump Larkhall.
HMRC Loyal RSC
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That's how I know I went to a better state school, by your not very subtle allusions.
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rhory, do the community a favor and leave since you have such a great problem. You don't know how to share opinions, you attack people who disagree with you. You make retarded claims such as 'its a beta OS' when you have no idea what the term 'beta' means. And it gets old you trolling every single positive topic. It isn't that speech is restricted, it's that you feel the need to be a jerk in every single topic and ruin the experience.
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Shouldn't you be robbing the wealth of some third world state like Alabama or Mississippi, silly me, you've already done that, now you want to applaud microite for robbing us with a piss poor product. I am only to happy that my American relations are nothing like your persona, don't worry sugar, we know how to deal with bully's on this side of the pond, a mouth like you wouldn't last two minutes.
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Shouldn't you be robbing the wealth of some third world state like Alabama or Mississippi, silly me, you've already done that, now you want to applaud microite for robbing us with a piss poor product. I am only to happy that my American relations are nothing like your persona, don't worry sugar, we know how to deal with bully's on this side of the pond, a mouth like you wouldn't last two minutes.
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Dude, you truly are a racist clown... I hope they ban you, and if they reprimand me for pointing out the obvious, that's fine, but you truly are a leech to societ, I will not be addressing you, ever again
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Dude, you truly are a racist clown... I hope they ban you, and if they reprimand me for pointing out the obvious, that's fine, but you truly are a leech to societ, I will not be addressing you, ever again
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As clowns go you are definitely the CoCo of the board, perhaps you will be able to point out any racist comments I have made, apart from pointing out that Americans I know are nothing like your ugly bullying persona, an absolute tube, I could give you lower accolades, but that will do to be going on with.
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Shouldn't you be robbing the wealth of some third world state like Alabama or Mississippi, silly me, you've already done that, now you want to applaud microite for robbing us with a piss poor product. I am only to happy that my American relations are nothing like your persona, don't worry sugar, we know how to deal with bully's on this side of the pond, a mouth like you wouldn't last two minutes.
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Wouldn't that make Scotland a third world county as it has about the same GDP as Alabama?
Please close this unuseful thread mods
Sorry to be the adult here, were supposed to be XDA 'developers'. Save the chatter for the playground.
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Wouldn't that make Scotland a third world county as it has about the same GDP as Alabama?
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If you can tell me something that a Scotsman didn't invent that was and is of use in the world today,in between building the Americas and the Commonwealth, and generally developing the world in general I might agree with you, but since you can't I won't.
Here's a little teaser for all you uber microites, what is the connection between Bill Gates, microsoft and Scotland, not withstanding a Scot being one of, if not the chief writer of microsofts global dominance.
Just a few of my countrymen and women's contribution to the world. http://tinyurl.com/4zrxkeh
rhory said:
If you can tell me something that a Scotsman didn't invent that was and is of use in the world today,in between building the Americas and the Commonwealth, and generally developing the world in general I might agree with you, but since you can't I won't.
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The Internets
Invented by Al Gore who is 43% myth and 82% anti-matter and hand-made in England by Vietnamese orphans
There is no such thing as free speech without consequences. It gets tiring to hear people say I have freedom of speech. You do, but you can be censored, or penalized for some of the things that you say. This is so in every free, democratic country. Look at Slander and also Hate Speech.
Now to get to the Hate Speech aspect - you want your members to express themselves without negatively impacting on the other members. We all have different personalities and idea and to properly manage a forum to ensure that everyone gets to express themselves without negatively impacting on other members is not easy since we can be hedonistic.
Anyone that has read your posts in the Windows Phone 7 forum gets your point. You think the OS is garbage and not fit to be sold. You could easily just move on, but you do not. I am not your psychologist so I will not bother trying to explain why.
But maybe, just maybe it is you. It is a difficult concept for one's ego to accept. The Cheers song works well in these cases:
Wouldn't you like to get away?
Sometimes you want to go
Where everybody knows your name,
and they're always glad you came.
You wanna be where you can see,
our troubles are all the same
You wanna be where everybody knows
Your name.
FiyaFleye said:
rhory, do the community a favor and leave since you have such a great problem. You don't know how to share opinions, you attack people who disagree with you. You make retarded claims such as 'its a beta OS' when you have no idea what the term 'beta' means. And it gets old you trolling every single positive topic. It isn't that speech is restricted, it's that you feel the need to be a jerk in every single topic and ruin the experience.
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I just want to point out that I always enjoy reading your posts. You seem to a level-headed and well thought out person. Kudos for trying to talk sense to this idiot.
nicksti said:
There is no such thing as free speech without consequences. It gets tiring to hear people say I have freedom of speech. You do, but you can be censored, or penalized for some of the things that you say. This is so in every free, democratic country. Look at Slander and also Hate Speech.
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I'm sorry to say, but if free speech has such consequences like censorship then it is no longer free speech. That being said, a forum is one of the last places on earth where you would be able to use free speech. Forums have been censored due to political or personal opinions for years. Also democratic countries do not support free speech. They do accept a wider range of topics in the "media" then other governments would allow, but they definitely do not condone free speech.
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Just a few of my countrymen and women's contribution to the world. http://tinyurl.com/4zrxkeh
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What an old and questionable list of inventions - think you are getting inventions and patents confused. Has Scotland forgot how to innovate\invent?
Still does not change your GDP being less than the 3rd world stated you mentioned.
I hate even giving threads like this any attention, but it's hard to not just ask every time, If you don't like it, why are you here? Let others talk about the OS without having to sift through your stupid threads and pointless rants. If you don't like it... go away. Stop acting like an infant.
I hope this story doesn't turn out to be true but, until it is debunked, I won't be wasting my money on anymore WP7 apps. And if it turns out to be true, I will abandon WP7 altogether...set it up as strictly a Zune audio player and be done.
There's only so much a customer can be expected to take with any product. If this story is true, MS will go way beyond that limit.
http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/microsoft-you-can-install-a-wp7-app-five-times-on-a-purchase
This is a lie and has been proven as such.
The truth is:
1/. You can only install the app on 5 different phones with the same windows live ID
2/. On any of these phones, you can install the same app as many times as you want.
3/. You have a WP7, you could've tested this with one of those $0.99 apps that you don't even like anyway instead of scaring the crap out of people.
That's not true. I think the truth is that if you use the same Live ID on more than 5 phones, you need to pay again. And you can swap out 1 phone by another one every 30 days.
lekki said:
This is a lie and has been proven as such.
The truth is:
1/. You can only install the app on 5 different phones with the same windows live ID
2/. On any of these phones, you can install the same app as many times as you want.
3/. You have a WP7, you could've tested this with one of those $0.99 apps that you don't even like anyway instead of scaring the crap out of people.
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How you think I felt when I read the headline? I started counting off the dollars I have invested in WP7 paid apps. Then I started thinking and rationalizing the need for system hard resets. I feel like my HD7 needs an HR right now. That would put me down to 4 more HRs before my games are no longer playable.
MartyLK said:
How you think I felt when I read the headline? I started counting off the dollars I have invested in WP7 paid apps. Then I started thinking and rationalizing the need for system hard resets. I feel like my HD7 needs an HR right now. That would put me down to 4 more HRs before my games are no longer playable.
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Even so, you could have purchased a cheap ass $.99 app, installed, uninstalled and reinstalled it 5 times to see what it told you. Doing so would have taken less effort than posting your OP and it would have given you the answer you sought - that you can indeed install the app as many times as you want on upto 5 devices at a time, with the possibility of changing one of those devices out every month.
The whole "story" came about due to a erroneous French translation.
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Even so, you could have purchased a cheap ass $.99 app, installed, uninstalled and reinstalled it 5 times to see what it told you. Doing so would have taken less effort than posting your OP and it would have given you the answer you sought - that you can indeed install the app as many times as you want on upto 5 devices at a time, with the possibility of changing one of those devices out every month.
The whole "story" came about due to a erroneous French translation.
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Yeah...go ahead...spend money you don't have. You could simply read the article rather than being combative.
MartyLK said:
Yeah...go ahead...spend money you don't have. You could simply read the article rather than being combative.
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I have read it. As for spending money you don't have - if you can't even afford a $.99 app I very much doubt you can afford your WP7 device in the first place.
In any case, the "scoop" had been debunked long before you posted this thread. Check some other blogs and you'll see lots of people have already tried it out.
I hope this **** isn't true. I was going to get a WP7 phone. Came here to get ready for the social interaction. But now I'm rethinking it because of what that article said. **** WP7 if it is!
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I have read it. As for spending money you don't have - if you can't even afford a $.99 app I very much doubt you can afford your WP7 device in the first place.
In any case, the "scoop" had been debunked long before you posted this thread. Check some other blogs and you'll see lots of people have already tried it out.
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Eh...I'm not going to let you bait me into an argument. I'll leave you to your attitude and just say good luck with it.
FriedWP7 said:
I hope this **** isn't true. I was going to get a WP7 phone. Came here to get ready for the social interaction. But now I'm rethinking it because of what that article said. **** WP7 if it is!
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DUDE!!! Did you even bother reading anything that was posted in this thread?
I bolded reading because I think you need to do it on a forum.
lekki said:
DUDE!!! Did you even bother reading anything that was posted in this thread?
I bolded reading because I think you need to do it on a forum.
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Dude! I did! I read that article and the guy talking in it was an oficial microsoft answer guy. If those guys say it, it has to be true. I won't take a chance on it now.
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Dude! I did! I read that article and the guy talking in it was an oficial microsoft answer guy. If those guys say it, it has to be true. I won't take a chance on it now.
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OMG. What are you guys, twelve? If you did read the article you'll see it's said by Microsoft France - so like I said, somethings been lost in translation. If you really were that bothered you could have checked out the official English KB article over at microsoft.com that fully explains how it works - i.e. install as many times as you want on five devices and devices can be swapped out once a month.
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OMG. What are you guys, twelve? If you did read the article you'll see it's said by Microsoft France - so like I said, somethings been lost in translation. If you really were that bothered you could have checked out the official English KB article over at microsoft.com that fully explains how it works - i.e. install as many times as you want on five devices and devices can be swapped out once a month.
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Same goes for you too dude. No offense but until I see official word from microsoft saying it aint slo, I'm gonna hold back.
Jeez dude, hold off of the insults. Nobody is crappin on you, why you crappin on others?
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Same goes for you too dude. No offense but until I see official word from microsoft saying it aint slo, I'm gonna hold back.
Jeez dude, hold off of the insults. Nobody is crappin on you, why you crappin on others?
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Holy ****dicks. You make no sense at all, buddy.
It is not true, simple as that.
FriedWP7 said:
Same goes for you too dude. No offense but until I see official word from microsoft saying it aint slo, I'm gonna hold back.
Jeez dude, hold off of the insults. Nobody is crappin on you, why you crappin on others?
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I already provided the information you needed to get it confirmed directly from MS - check their knowledgebase.
If that's not enough, perhaps you should check the original thread over at MS Answers where Camille B. has cleared up the confusion saying there was a misunderstanding and that you can install it on five phones as many times as you like - as long as the app/game is still available on the marketplace.
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Same goes for you too dude. No offense but until I see official word from microsoft saying it aint slo, I'm gonna hold back.
Jeez dude, hold off of the insults. Nobody is crappin on you, why you crappin on others?
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Do yourself a favor and don't bother arguing with these ...erm...seemingly disrespectful adolescent ones. Trust me, they thrive on chaos. Just ignore them and find your own answers.
I'm with you, though. I won't buy another app until I see official word on the subject. I can't afford to, being unemployed and without an income.
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Do yourself a favor and don't bother arguing with these ...erm...seemingly disrespectful adolescent ones. Trust me, they thrive on chaos. Just ignore them and find your own answers.
I'm with you, though. I won't buy another app until I see official word on the subject. I can't afford to, being unemployed and without an income.
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Evidence is there if you had bothered to read:
1/. The MS knowledge base
2/. This thread
3/. The blog you got it from which probably already retracted the story
Why do you have a smartphone when you don't have job and you need a data plan in America? Especially with WP7, where cloud services are king.
You call us adolescents yet you're making adolescent mistakes spending money you don't have...
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Evidence is there if you had bothered to read:
1/. The MS knowledge base
2/. This thread
3/. The blog you got it from which probably already retracted the story
Why do you have a smartphone when you don't have job and you need a data plan in America? Especially with WP7, where cloud services are king.
You call us adolescents yet you're making adolescent mistakes spending money you don't have...
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Lame troll is lame. :/
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And if it turns out to be true, I will abandon WP7 altogether...set it up as strictly a Zune audio player and be done.
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How does using it as an audio player amount to abandoning something altogheter?!?
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Investing is the use of money for future profit. Just curious how you planned to profit from WP7 apps.
Windows Aps Gnomes?
"Step 1: Collect WP7 apps! - Step 3: Profit!"
From: http://www.winrumors.com/microsoft-...itterwp&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter
“Many of you are making critical comments here which are certainly fair. First, I was wrong when I said “most people have received the February update.” There are many of you who have yet to receive it, and I don’t blame you for speaking up and pointing out my mistake. Second, I referred to our updates as “complete” because I was thinking of the internal process where we pass completed software to another group who delivers them – but of course no update is complete until you all have it. Plus, at the time I did the interview we had started the NoDo (“march update”) delivery process and I knew “it was going well” from our perspective: people were officially getting it, the success rate of its deployment on real-world phones was looking good, and we were happy that the process had STARTED well. Still—these are NOT the same as all of you getting it and I’m sorry that I came across as insensitive to that fact.
I am a very, very big advocate for all our end-users and developers, and it bothers me a lot if I sounded out of touch. I wasn’t as prepared for this interview as I should have been—I walked into the studio with an informal state of mind, thinking about MIX and what we WILL be talking about, and I didn’t have the right up-to-date information to give a good explanation on updates which I know to be a very high-interest topic right now.
I have read all of the comments here (and many of them on the other blogs) and so has pretty much everyone in our management team. We know it’s been frustrating to wait for features/fixes and (probably worse) to hear little from us on specific dates. We are sorry the process has been rocky. The “where’s my phone update” table is our first step to try to remedy this in the face of technical problems that have made our first wave of updates take longer than we expected. We know the table would benefit greatly from more detail, and we are hoping to add more to it by working with the Operators who own the “testing” phase to get more clarity. If your phone is shown in “scheduling”, it’ll be worth checking the table next week.
In the spirit of “MIX as a conversation” – I will make sure that when I show up in Vegas that I’m well prepared to give an update in person and to try to answer your questions as best I can. You folks are obviously a very important audience for us and it’s right for you to expect us to communicate and execute better. I know at this point it’s our actions that matter… The main thing we are trying to do is to get the updates out to everyone in a way that is reliable and works, and then make our process better and more transparent in the future.”
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awwwwwww im not mad at them anymore. vattay cutie
let's be real. I wasn't mad, but is this enough to shut the burn microsoft to the ground crowd away? I'm not sure...
Transparency is always better than non transparency.
It's really, really nice to hear that they know they have made it wrong. I love it. Everybody does.
But it would be better to hear that the update is going right, and we gonna receive it in the next few days.
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It's really, really nice to hear that they know they have made it wrong. I love it. Everybody does.
But it would be better to hear that the update is going right, and we gonna receive it in the next few days.
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Admitting you were wrong doesn't make it any less wrong.
I'm through with them.
They had to admit after seeing all the comments pretty much everywhere online and from the bloggers. Here's where it started. http://channel9.msdn.com/Shows/Coun...-Joe-Belfiore-Talks-Phone#c634367845660000000
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Admitting you were wrong doesn't make it any less wrong.
I'm through with them.
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Fool me once........
I cannot accept it. My HD7 is non-brand and doesn't receive the NoDo update til now.
I don't rally care about excuses, and I am still pissed, and I have still not got the NoDo. However, I give MS some credit, since at least they show their customers they care by making statements like this, and admit everything is not always sunshine and cloudless skies. Compared to Crapple (Apple), who always denies- or don't say a word to their "customers" that they actually do **** up sometimes.
And that Joe Belfiore I really like, he seems to be the perfect guy as Director of Windows Phone 7. And he's funny to.
Halle said:
I don't rally care about excuses, and I am still pissed, and I have still not got the NoDo. However, I give MS some credit, since at least they show their customers they care by making statements like this, and admit everything is not always sunshine and cloudless skies. Compared to Crapple (Apple), who always denies- or don't say a word to their "customers" that they actually do **** up sometimes.
And that Joe Belfiore I really like, he seems to be the perfect guy as Director of Windows Phone 7. And he's funny to.
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Whatever Crapple says they deliver which is exactly why they are kicking everyone's ass whether you hate to admit it or are totally in denial. You give MS credit because they finally admitted after being cornered by WP7 users and had no way out BUT to admit it. It's like saying well let the bank robber go free because he at least admitted his crime. So you like Belfiore because he is funny and can entertain you? WOW!! Maybe MS should hire Jerry Seinfeld or (choose your favorite comedian) to be the Director of WP7. It's become a joke anyway so might as well hire comedians!
I respect Joe Belfiore for admitting his/Microsoft's mistake. But as that as for Eric Hautala, he is a complete joke.
Look at all the complains ppl have made over at Windows Phone Blog, hundreds after hundreds and he doesn't even stands up to say a single word.
What kind on a General Manager, Customer Experience Engineering is he???
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Whatever Crapple says they deliver which is exactly why they are kicking everyone's ass whether you hate to admit it or are totally in denial. You give MS credit because they finally admitted after being cornered by WP7 users and had no way out BUT to admit it. It's like saying well let the bank robber go free because he at least admitted his crime. So you like Belfiore because he is funny and can entertain you? WOW!! Maybe MS should hire Jerry Seinfeld or (choose your favorite comedian) to be the Director of WP7. It's become a joke anyway so might as well hire comedians!
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I'm going off topic here, but..
Well yes, Apple deliver updates flawlessly. However, they totally deny any design flaws of their hardware in their products - witch cannot be fixed with software. The iPhone 3G/S, cracks everywhere on the plastic backside and it got tons of dust under the screen. Also, the Macbook cracks. The Iphone 4 antenna design flaw - very well known but Apple denies there is anything wrong. Their response is simply "don't hold it that way" and a short while after, they kick the responsible person for the antenna design out of the company, lol. I guess the guys at Apple is the real comedians.
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Well yes, Apple deliver updates flawlessly.
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People seem to forget that Apple had growing pains with iOS as well and had major issues when they first started to push out version 3. When it all happened they just shrugged and kept quiet. At least MS acknowledges it, this is a step int eh right direction. Now they just need to move fast and fix it all or quit telling people when something is coming out.
N8ter said:
Admitting you were wrong doesn't make it any less wrong.
I'm through with them.
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Does this mean you'll be through with the wp7 found as well??? ;-)
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Well hopefully they will get their **** together, and to get people happy may push out the mango update sooner?? Who knows.
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DaFlake said:
People seem to forget that Apple had growing pains with iOS as well and had major issues when they first started to push out version 3. When it all happened they just shrugged and kept quiet. At least MS acknowledges it, this is a step int eh right direction. Now they just need to move fast and fix it all or quit telling people when something is coming out.
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Yeah, even Apple make mistakes. And they don't admit. There is a lot of examples of that. Still, sooner or later, they fix it. And most of the time, sooner. And when they say that they have an update, well, I envy that, everyone is able to download and update their iPhones when they want, not when carrier want, or when it is available for you.
And yes, I didn't forget that Apple just handle one phone. With just one single phone they choose the way of the whole smartphone market. And they are good at that.
Let's not forget that they learn with their mistakes. And it is really nice.
Apple was able to release iOS update before schedule and a patch shortly after all through the same carrier that Microsoft has problem to push through, AT&T.
In my book, Microsoft dropped the ball big time. And they still have no clue how to fix this. Sorry to say, at this time Microsoft lost all the credibility to me for their ability to successfully push the WP7 platform forward. Yes, WP7 will still survive - in the form of millions of cheap, low end, low resolution Nokia phones that most of us simply don't care about.
I'd love to see MS show me otherwise. But I doubt it. Big corporations don't turn around quickly unless they have a strong leader. Steve B is simply a corporate bean counter, not a leader.
Halle said:
I don't rally care about excuses, and I am still pissed, and I have still not got the NoDo. However, I give MS some credit, since at least they show their customers they care by making statements like this, and admit everything is not always sunshine and cloudless skies. Compared to Crapple (Apple), who always denies- or don't say a word to their "customers" that they actually do **** up sometimes.
And that Joe Belfiore I really like, he seems to be the perfect guy as Director of Windows Phone 7. And he's funny to.
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They don't care. They just could not talk their way out of it. If they could, they would.
Apple supports their products, so I can give a flying crap what they say. I don't care what a company says, I care what they actually do.
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I'm going off topic here, but..
Well yes, Apple deliver updates flawlessly. However, they totally deny any design flaws of their hardware in their products - witch cannot be fixed with software. The iPhone 3G/S, cracks everywhere on the plastic backside and it got tons of dust under the screen. Also, the Macbook cracks. The Iphone 4 antenna design flaw - very well known but Apple denies there is anything wrong. Their response is simply "don't hold it that way" and a short while after, they kick the responsible person for the antenna design out of the company, lol. I guess the guys at Apple is the real comedians.
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WP7 has poor reception issues, which is worse than Antennagate because for an iPhone all you needed was a bumper or a case. You can't fix the poor reception in WP7 devices so easily.
I routinely get 3 bars in an HSPA+ market where my Vibrant has 5 bars and a 3.3+ mbps download speed. Call quality is noticeably worse (not even comparable, TBQH) and download speeds are much slower. I know one other person with an HD7 and he said "the phone is okay, but the call quality is ****."
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...ng-focus/5b7bc221-2982-4813-95f1-a8c88bfd2e86
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...software/cf6cb222-7fe7-4c0c-92c0-357bf4cc44d1
Also, the HD7 exibits the same issue as the iPhone 4, except it has poorer reception/signal quality overall:
http://www.gsmdome.com/htc/htc-hd7-antenna-problems-explained-by-companys-spokesman_20065
Focus, Omnia 7, HD7 (I experience the bad signal quality personally). I'm willing to bet the issue is Microsoft's coding, and not the hardware. WP7 makes a worse phone than the iPhone, and a worse Smartphone than pretty much anything barring some feature phones.
Dunno where the Apple hate is coming form, but clearly some people only count the negatives of the platforms they don't like. Microsoft's handling of WP7 is making Apple look like a champ.
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Does this mean you'll be through with the wp7 found as well??? ;-)
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Maybe if you learned how to write cohesive and comprehensible statements I'd be able to answer that.
You're not from out of the country, so there's no excuse for your inability to do so...
Link to Android Central article
Apple has once again called Samsung into court. This time it's about the Galaxy Nexus and four patents that Apple says it infringes. The patents in question are:
U.S. Patent No. 5,946,647: a patent for data being used as a hyperlink
U.S. Patent No. 8,086,604: a unified search patent
U.S. Patent No. 8,046,721: a slide-to-unlock patent
U.S. Patent No. 8,074,172: a word completion patent*
Apple is requesting that the Samsung Galaxy Nexus be blocked from sale in the United States because it violates these patents. *Should the court find in favor of Apple, a ban against the Galaxy Nexus would be put in effect until the final court decision. *
Could it happen? Certainly. But if it does, it won't go into effect any time soon, it would only affect stores inside the U.S. selling these products, and no jack-booted thugs from Cupertino will come pry your Nexus from your hands. We can't be sure how the courts will act, but all of these are pretty shaky patents, and once again Apple is not going after Google directly -- even though the Galaxy Nexus has a pure vanilla version of Android. *The only certainty here is that the patent system is broken and only serves the company willing to spend the most in the courts.
It's time for Google to step in and put a stop to this bull****. The first patent in question is the same one that was upheld against HTC in a move that shocked the tech community at large, essentially giving Apple the rights to the hyperlink -- something invented over 20 years ago by numerous companies that aren't Apple.
The other three are just as laughable, or would be if not for the fact that Apple was allowed to secure the patents at all.*Every single one of them has existed as prior art long before Apple became relevant, yet a patent was granted each and every time. This is the core of the problem. You can't blame Apple for trying, it's cheaper to litigate away your competition than it is to out-innovate them. *And make no mistake -- that's exactly what's going on here. *Apple wants Android to go away, and a look at any chart that shows market share will tell you why. *It's a ****ty way to get ahead, but it's too easy not to try. It's going to take a tech giant to change the way this all works, and we know nobody can count on Apple or Microsoft to do it, because this is their system, created the way they like it, and making them rich. If Apple is afraid to go after Google, Google needs to go after Apple instead of sitting on their laurels waiting to ride in and save the day at the last minute.
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Watch this video!
"Great artist steal! We have always been shameless about stealing great ideas." -Steve Jobs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU
Not trying to flame but you guys really should search better. This has been posted several times. Please search!!"
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just yesterday
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1492356
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americans, you have over 200 parties, not only republicants and the democrats... so vote for Pirate Party and stop this patent bull****
to be honest, US patent system is hilarious
lrs421 said:
Not trying to flame but you guys really should search better. This has been posted several times. Please search!!"
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I did search first. I turned up results for the "Android General" forum but not the SGN forum. Do you have an opinion on the topic?
lrs421 said:
just yesterday
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1492356
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I would have def posted there if I had seen it, I searched using dif key words. However that is irrelevant now. The thread you linked got no attention at all, except for one guy who confused it for the old story that did NOT pertain to the US. Once again I would like to ask, do you have an opinion? Or does your lack or critical thinking always result in a "don't post this" attitude? I would like to discuss and get other peoples opinions please.
asheg said:
to be honest, US patent system is hilarious
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agreed!! Or rather what Apple does to it is. Did you watch the vid?
It's OK to steal as long as Apple is doing the stealing
Apple's new Slogan.
Apple is quite obviously scared of the SGN. Justifiably so. Unbelievable that they would go after Samsung though since the software is all Google....
DIECAST61 said:
Apple's new Slogan.
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This has always been their slogan, it's not just a new thing.
WiredPirate said:
agreed!! Or rather what Apple does to it is. Did you watch the vid?
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nope) what vid?)
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nope) what vid?)
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The YouTube video in OP at the bottom, the Steve Jobs one..
Here is the link again, not sure how to embed it here...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU
eh..without watching the full video that clip is taken pretty out of context.
What are the chances of this blowing over and getting solved? Why I ask is that I want this phone but I need to put some money together to buy it since I have to buy it at full price if I want it and I'd hate to see this phone no longer being able to be sold because of stupid ****ing Apple.
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eh..without watching the full video that clip is taken pretty out of context.
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In what context is stealing others work and claiming it as your own okay?
Edit: what about the patent Apple filed recently for a "facial recognition unlock" on their products!? It seams to me Apple is holding up the progress of technology by acquiring their products in court and not in the lab or whatever. They just throw around their weight and money and bully other companies to steal. Jesus Steve Jobs said it himself and you are still trying to defend them.
trparky said:
What are the chances of this blowing over and getting solved? Why I ask is that I want this phone but I need to put some money together to buy it since I have to buy it at full price if I want it and I'd hate to see this phone no longer being able to be sold because of stupid ****ing Apple.
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Well it was shot down over seas, but here in the US who knows. I would say you will hear about the progress and if it seams you need to buy one quickly you can. And there is always importing in case of a worst case scenario.
What I am most confused about is why is Google not patenting their own work!? I don't get it, they see what Apple is doing yet they seam unwilling to protect their own asses? Are they being wreckless or stupid or..?
Here, from AndroidCentral.. There are links for detailed info about those four patents :
http://www.androidcentral.com/apple-it-again-calling-injunction-against-galaxy-nexus
So, let's discuss those patents. Do you think Apple has a big chance?
Note that the first patent has won them against HTC.
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gogol said:
Here, from AndroidCentral.. There are links for detailed info about those four patents :
http://www.androidcentral.com/apple-it-again-calling-injunction-against-galaxy-nexus
So, let's discuss those patents. Do you think Apple has a big chance?
Note that the first patent has won them against HTC.
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That is the link/ body of text from the OP?. I don't fully understand patents and law but am very interested. The best I can do is state my personal opinions, which I think I have made clear already. I personally think it is a toss up whether Apple has a chance and this is just a way for them to cash in, slow Google and others progress and a way to bully others and steal once again. I think any of the four patents being infringed on should not belong to a apple or any other company either. Let's make progress not slow progress by bickering in court who owns the right to hyperlinks. Amirite?
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... It seams to me Apple is holding up the progress of technology by acquiring their products in court and not in the lab or whatever....
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Apple hasn't come up with much new since the iPhone 2g, they came out with a bang and stopped dead in their tracks. All they're doing now is putting speed bumps in front of all of those whizzing by them.
opensourcefan said:
Apple hasn't come up with much new since the iPhone 2g, they came out with a bang and stopped dead in their tracks. All they're doing now is putting speed bumps in front of all of those whizzing by them.
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100% agree with that statement and i say it to my brother who has an iphone 4s all the time.
My brother has owned every iphone since they were launched and will defend apple to the end of time.
Apple came out with a great phone to begin with, but have since not really come out with anything completely innovative which has completely changed ios.
Still the same old launcher of icons after icons... same lock screen blah blah blah.
If you look at an origional iphone and then look at an iphone 4s theres not really anything other than the speed improvements that makes you think wow apple has come a long way with the software... ( other than the notifacation bar they added... wonder where they got that idea from ).
Apple need to man up and stop throwing law suits around and come up with some new ideas.
All this does is slow down progress for everybody.
Oh btw... Where do iphones get most of there parts from? Oh thats right... SAMSUNG!!!!
Apple can't sue software, they can only sue the hardware manufacturer. That is why they sued Samsung instead of Google.