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Today I was watching the barcelona vs chelsea game on my phone and it rebooted. I picked up the phone and it felt pretty warm so I checked the CPU temp in glados kernel and it was at 64c with the "safe limit temp" being set to 61c. I was watching the game on a website that had an embedded flash player, so I had to pinch to zoom it to make the video bigger. In doing that, the video became choppy at times but seemed OK to watch until it restarted itself from I guess overheating. I started watching it again but this time not pinching to zoom the video and it hardly had any choppyness at all and did not reboot itself (so I'm assuming it didnt overheat). Could the whole embedded player thing + pinching to zoom be the culprit of my overheating? or is it my kernel/rom to blame? I haven't done any OC unless its by default in the kernel.
ROM: eclipse 1.1
Kernel: Glados 1.29RC
reyes.jr said:
Today I was watching the barcelona vs chelsea game on my phone and it rebooted. I picked up the phone and it felt pretty warm so I checked the CPU temp in glados kernel and it was at 64c with the "safe limit temp" being set to 61c. I was watching the game on a website that had an embedded flash player, so I had to pinch to zoom it to make the video bigger. In doing that, the video became choppy at times but seemed OK to watch until it restarted itself from I guess overheating. I started watching it again but this time not pinching to zoom the video and it hardly had any choppyness at all and did not reboot itself (so I'm assuming it didnt overheat). Could the whole embedded player thing + pinching to zoom be the culprit of my overheating? or is it my kernel/rom to blame? I haven't done any OC unless its by default in the kernel.
ROM: eclipse 1.1
Kernel: Glados 1.29RC
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Active cooling will help a lot. Passive cooling too. Undervolt in this situation would help a little bit.
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@rbiter said:
Active cooling will help a lot. Passive cooling too. Undervolt in this situation would help a little bit.
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Not to sound rude but I was asking if what happened to me is normal and if it isn't, could using an embedded flash player + pinch to zoom be the reason to blame? If not, then does that mean its the kernel and or rom?
I don't think I should have to undervolt if I'm running on stock volts/not OC'd.
Well not to sound smart ass but I got right to the solution. Changing roms and kernels will not make a big difference and I am sure you would rather watch bigger mode than squinting. When I do intensive stuff I take my tpu off. And if I'm by my laptop, I might put it on/near my USB laptop cooler. But if you must, change roms and kernels til your content. Or take your battery door off to ventilate and flap your phone real fast like you mean it.
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Well not to sound smart ass but I got right to the solution. Changing roms and kernels will not make a big difference and I am sure you would rather watch bigger mode than squinting. When I do intensive stuff I take my tpu off. And if I'm by my laptop, I might put it on/near my USB laptop cooler. But if you must change roms and kernels. Take your battery door off to ventilate and flap your phone real fast like you mean it.
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k ill re ask the question. did my phone overheat because of the "choppyness" of the embedded + zoomed flash player? Or did it happen because thats what you call "intensive stuff"? And would watching NETFLIX for an hour or so be considered "intensive stuff" and cause my phone to overheat and shut off as well? Or do you think the choppyness had a bigger role in the overheating.
I'm pretty sure @rbiter is semi-trolling.. at least I hope so, lol.
OP, it's never normal for your phone to get too hot and reboot under any circumstance. I would definitely try changing kernels. The ROM doesn't control the CPU clock speed and voltages, so that's what's going to make the difference. I'm also assuming you're not using the phone in direct sunlight or in an area where the ambient temperature isn't too hot.
reyes.jr said:
k ill re ask the question. did my phone overheat because of the "choppyness" of the embedded + zoomed flash player? Or did it happen because thats what you call "intensive stuff"? And would watching NETFLIX for an hour or so be considered "intensive stuff" and cause my phone to overheat and shut off as well? Or do you think the choppyness had a bigger role in the overheating.
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Try it out, check temps while watching normal and check temps while watching zoomed. Then you got your answer.
Alright so you don't think the choppyness of the video had anything to do with making it overheat? because as I said before, when I left the video at default size it had no chopping at all and it did not overheat/reboot. But I'll def try changing kernels, thanks for your help man.
reyes.jr said:
Alright so you don't think the choppyness of the video had anything to do with making it overheat? because as I said before, when I left the video at default size it had no chopping at all and it did not overheat/reboot. But I'll def try changing kernels, thanks for your help man.
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I would be more worried about battery getting hot than anything. That: s why I am telling you all that. Changing kernels isn't going to make your phone drastically cooler when doing all that stuff. I also do that to help longevity of phone aaaaand battery. Keep doing stuff like that just to mitigate shutdowns you're still going to come back and make a new thread about battery life being crappy and only having phone 4 months or something but not telling us you've been baking fresh batteries watching Netflix and my little pony episodes.
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bleh..pretty ****ing sad that watching netflix would "bake my battery". Oh well...
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I would be more worried about battery getting hot than anything. That: s why I am telling you all that. Changing kernels isn't going to make your phone drastically cooler when doing all that stuff. I also do that to help longevity of phone aaaaand battery. Keep doing stuff like that just to mitigate shutdowns you're still going to come back and make a new thread about battery life being crappy and only having phone 4 months or something but not telling us you've been baking fresh batteries watching Netflix and my little pony episodes.
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There's not much you can do about your battery getting warm though. It's completely normal for the battery to get warm when you're doing anything CPU/GPU intensive (watching HD video or playing 3D games). It would get warm whether you're stock or rooted with a custom LV kernel, though undervolting it would slightly lower the CPU temperature but at the potential cost of stability should he do something that utilizes 100% of the CPU putting it under maximum load. In either scenario, the phone is going to be discharging that battery relatively fast causing it to warm up (as any lithium-ion battery does in any device that's drawing 90%+ its current capacity).
The battery should last at least a year regardless of how he uses the phone before it starts to noticeably lose capacity too. I wouldn't advise anyone to not fully utilize their device just to extend the battery lifespan. Extended OEM batteries are only $25 right now. By the time it dies, it will be considerably less, so it's not that big of a deal even if that were true.
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There's not much you can do about your battery getting warm though. It's completely normal for the battery to get warm when you're doing anything CPU/GPU intensive (watching HD video or playing 3D games). It would get warm whether you're stock or rooted with a custom LV kernel, though undervolting it would slightly lower the CPU temperature but at the potential cost of stability should he do something that utilizes 100% of the CPU putting it under maximum load. In either scenario, the phone is going to be discharging that battery relatively fast causing it to warm up (as any lithium-ion battery does in any device that's drawing 90%+ its current capacity).
The battery should last at least a year regardless of how he uses the phone before it starts to noticeably lose capacity too. I wouldn't advise anyone to not fully utilize their device just to extend the battery lifespan. Extended OEM batteries are only $25 right now. By the time it dies, it will be considerably less, so it's not that big of a deal even if that were true.
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I didn't say don't utilize the phone. Keeping the battery cooler it doesn't lose charge as quick also. Electrons don't travel as well between expanded metal, cells, conductors or whatever. As these phones keep getting more powerful peeps keep losing sight of fundamentals. If I don't have any cooling handy I just go with it. But if you can prop it up without a case on it, you're doing yourself and phone a favor. Holding it in your hand with a case on or laying flat doesn't help dissipate heat. I'm outta here. Too much heat in this kitchen.
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I'm outta here. Too much heat in this kitchen.
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More like too much douche in your bag. amiright
Underclock and turn on wifi... stream to your hearts content.
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This summer, I bought this phone but sold it after a week because it had a ton of problems, including overheating. Today, I bought the phone again, because I wanted to give it another chance. Right now, in the middle of winter with less than 20C in my room, I was playing Temple Run when I started noticing the phone was getting warmer. I thought "well, this is normal, I have been playing a 3D game for about 20 minutes, I bet it hasn't overheated like it happened this summer, that one was probably defective too, it's just getting a bit warm, that's all", but guess what? I quitted temple run, ran a Quadrant session, and yeah, it had overheated and reduced its performance like it happened last time. Halved performance due to overheating, exactly like it happened this summer, 3000 points instead of the usual 6000+ it gets.
I. CAN'T. BELIEVE. IT.
I guess it's my fault though, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.
This phone is such a piece of crap it gave me the most buyer's remorse I've ever had.
6000 points on Quadrant? The max I got was around 3400...
Anyway, I think it is normal to a device to overheat and lose performance when it gets hotter. Same for too cold (under 0ºC). The colder, the better the performance. That's why all eletronics should be kept cool.
I could have excused it for overheating during summer with 35C room temperature, but with less than 20C and after just less than one hour?
How is this acceptable? Seriously, what is wrong with this phone?
I am raging uncontrollably right now. I can't believe I was so stupid to get this turdphone TWICE before realizing it was indeed a massive stinking turd.
And yeah, it's not 6000 points but 3500, when it overheats it gets much less, and I notice it's happening even before the score gets displayed, because usually the planet thingy runs at 60FPS but when it's overheated it runs at around 40.
GOD DAMN.
Oh and by the way, if it overheats during gameplay, it also overheats during web browsing or EVERYTHING really. And EVERY SINGLE XPERIA S IN EXISTENCE has this problem. Yours too.
You better not use it too much, or it might overheat and start running slower than a X10. What, you bought your phone to use it? LOLZ.
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definitely rom/kernel problem.. what's rom u use? have u update it to latest .55? u unlock the bootloader? u just b*tching without give any details.
the colder the hardware is not the better the performance, there's something called operating temp. usually u cant use the hardware if it's not in its operating temp (like PC processer, it cant boot when 0 degree Celsius, but booting fine at 30 degrees or -27 (subzero) degrees). if u get lower performance, usually it's because the driver/applications that order the processor to lower itself.
when i was using custom stock rom, i've played Nova 3 with my friends (wifi) for around 45 minutes, and it hasnt got lags, sure the phone was very hot, but the performance wasnt drop. now im using cm10, still got no lags when playing games (Trial Xtreme 3 is very fun & challenging and surely a phone heater, ive spent bout 2 hours playing, got low battery, charging it (thx for the fast charging) for 1 hour and half, then playing it again.. still got no lags )
so, surely the problems is in the rom.. since ur in xda, try fix it urself... if u wont, just f*kin' sell it
About overheat on my phone, yeah it does sometimes. During summer it can get up to 40C (the ambient, not phone), the phone overheats while using for browsing, but I think it's normal.
It gets hot when playing NFS:MW, the performance drops but I just have to leave there for 30 min and its good again.
The phone generally gets up to 43 C when playing...
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m1st3r1 said:
definitely rom/kernel problem.. what's rom u use? have u update it to latest .55? u unlock the bootloader? u just b*tching without give any details.
the colder the hardware is not the better the performance, there's something called operating temp. usually u cant use the hardware if it's not in its operating temp (like PC processer, it cant boot when 0 degree Celsius, but booting fine at 30 degrees or -27 (subzero) degrees). if u get lower performance, usually it's because the driver/applications that order the processor to lower itself.
when i was using custom stock rom, i've played Nova 3 with my friends (wifi) for around 45 minutes, and it hasnt got lags, sure the phone was very hot, but the performance wasnt drop. now im using cm10, still got no lags when playing games (Trial Xtreme 3 is very fun & challenging and surely a phone heater, ive spent bout 2 hours playing, got low battery, charging it (thx for the fast charging) for 1 hour and half, then playing it again.. still got no lags )
so, surely the problems is in the rom.. since ur in xda, try fix it urself... if u wont, just f*kin' sell it
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Dude. I'm playing it in my room, with 17C room temperature. After less than one hour of that crappy game Temple Run, the phone got hot, and out of nowhere I decided to test if it had clocked down like it happened during the summer, and it did. I'm fully stock, locked bootloader, stock rom with only some bloatware removed. As soon as your phone gets hot, try to run quadrant and you will see your performance will have reduced. I think you can also see your CPU speed has gone down to 800Mhz.
And by the way, like I said before, I'm on my second XPS, and the first one also overheated, so I guess they all do that. I think you may have noticed the phone becoming laggy after some heavy usage sessions.
Anyway, I am not sure if every phone somehow clocks itself down when it gets hot and then starts running like crap until it cools down again, but on all the phones I've used in my life, this is the only one that does it and after such a short period of heavy usage. It's just ridiculous, there should be class actions up sony's ass for this, but it seems like I'm the only one who realized this happens and literally cripples the phone's performance until you stop using it, basically.
MarkMRL said:
Dude. I'm playing it in my room, with 17C room temperature. After less than one hour of that crappy game Temple Run, the phone got hot, and out of nowhere I decided to test if it had clocked down like it happened during the summer, and it did. I'm fully stock, locked bootloader, stock rom with only some bloatware removed. As soon as your phone gets hot, try to run quadrant and you will see your performance will have reduced. I think you can also see your CPU speed has gone down to 800Mhz.
And by the way, like I said before, I'm on my second XPS, and the first one also overheated, so I guess they all do that. I think you may have noticed the phone becoming laggy after some heavy usage sessions.
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If the phone kept at full speed, it would heat even more at the point of damaging the internal components.
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MarkMRL said:
Dude. I'm playing it in my room, with 17C room temperature. After less than one hour of that crappy game Temple Run, the phone got hot, and out of nowhere I decided to test if it had clocked down like it happened during the summer, and it did. I'm fully stock, locked bootloader, stock rom with only some bloatware removed. As soon as your phone gets hot, try to run quadrant and you will see your performance will have reduced. I think you can also see your CPU speed has gone down to 800Mhz.
And by the way, like I said before, I'm on my second XPS, and the first one also overheated, so I guess they all do that. I think you may have noticed the phone becoming laggy after some heavy usage sessions.
Anyway, I am not sure if every phone somehow clocks itself down when it gets hot and then starts running like crap until it cools down again, but on all the phones I've used in my life, this is the only one that does it and after such a short period of heavy usage. It's just ridiculous, there should be class actions up sony's ass for this, but it seems like I'm the only one who realized this happens and literally cripples the phone's performance until you stop using it, basically.
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I know how to keep the performance as good as it was cold. But the temperature won't drop i meant it's still warm.
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MarkMRL said:
This summer, I bought this phone but sold it after a week because it had a ton of problems, including overheating. Today, I bought the phone again, because I wanted to give it another chance. Right now, in the middle of winter with less than 20C in my room, I was playing Temple Run when I started noticing the phone was getting warmer. I thought "well, this is normal, I have been playing a 3D game for about 20 minutes, I bet it hasn't overheated like it happened this summer, that one was probably defective too, it's just getting a bit warm, that's all", but guess what? I quitted temple run, ran a Quadrant session, and yeah, it had overheated and reduced its performance like it happened last time. Halved performance due to overheating, exactly like it happened this summer, 3000 points instead of the usual 6000+ it gets.
I. CAN'T. ****ING. BELIEVE. IT.
I guess it's my fault though, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.
This phone is such a piece of crap it gave me the most buyer's remorse I've ever had.
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Idiots shouldn't buy smart phones. That's all i can say.
Felimenta97 said:
If the phone kept at full speed, it would heat even more at the point of damaging the internal components.
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I am not retarded, I know how overheating works, I'm an IT technician and I deal with overheating bleeping computers all day long.
The point is, the phone SHOULD NOT overheat and clock itself down to half the speed after just a few minutes of gameplay. This is ridiculous.
Why are you missing the point?
MarkMRL said:
I am not retarded, I know how overheating works, I'm an IT technician and I deal with overheating bleeping computers all day long.
The point is, the phone SHOULD NOT overheat and clock itself down to half the speed after just a few minutes of gameplay. This is ridiculous.
Why are you missing the point?
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It overheats, and it should, because you're running a 3D game. Again, it clocks down to avoid bigger overheat and damage. My phone performance keeps the same after 1 hour of playing NFS:MW. It just need a few minutes to start the processes again, since the game use it all.
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Felimenta97 said:
If the phone kept at full speed, it would heat even more at the point of damaging the internal components.
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um..that's not the case, AT ALL.
The thermal throttling kicked in so that's why the OP seeing lowered performance.
Please read more about hardware before you post these.
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Piyush Rawal said:
Idiots shouldn't buy smart phones. That's all i can say.
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Ooo....Internet smart guy! From India! Wow what a deal!
MarkMRL said:
I am not retarded, I know how overheating works, I'm an IT technician and I deal with overheating bleeping computers all day long.
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If you're dealing with overheating computers all day long then you're doing something wrong, Maybe time for a career change, Probably same with phone.
Love it when people rage.
OP, buy another phone then, problem solved, you're welcome. :good:
God help you it you bought a S3, but seriously time of year is not gonna change a overheating issue and 35-40 is the ideal temp for optimal performance
And I know 4 people in IT, and their knowledge is pretty much on par with yours judging by your posts
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MarkMRL said:
I am not retarded, I know how overheating works, I'm an IT technician and I deal with overheating bleeping computers all day long.
The point is, the phone SHOULD NOT overheat and clock itself down to half the speed after just a few minutes of gameplay. This is ridiculous.
Why are you missing the point?
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Of course the phone should get hot, and if it does the CPU should def do something about it and underclock
Also why do you have to swear so much? girlfriend problems? limp noodle?
also if ur going to buy something to test its gaming prowess, buy a psp or something
my advice? stop being a moron.
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"I quitted temple run, ran a Quadrant session, and yeah, it had overheated and reduced its performance like it happened last time. Halved performance due to overheating, exactly like it happened this summer, 3000 points instead of the usual 6000+ it gets."
thats not permanent, its the app staying in cahced processes just in case it needs relaunching. try ending the process and try benchmarking again
you find removing it from the ram as a process may help
i just ran quadrant on mine
its warm cause im playing music and have tons of crap open. it hasnt slowed down. and its score was 2937. i dont see the issue though? the number means nothing on its own. its a potential comaprison tool
Felimenta97 said:
It overheats, and it should, because you're running a 3D game. Again, it clocks down to avoid bigger overheat and damage. My phone performance keeps the same after 1 hour of playing NFS:MW. It just need a few minutes to start the processes again, since the game use it all.
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Pffft. Do you even know what you are talking about? It SHOULD NOT overheat, only heat up a bit. Playing a game or doing anything CPU intensive should not OVERHEAT the phone, only heat it up a bit. There is a difference between heating up and OVERheating. Overheating means there is something wrong with the cooling solution, and should not happen unless the cooling system or the chip itself (this case, since a cellphone doesn't have a cooling system) is faulty. Learn what 'overheating' means.
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If you're dealing with overheating computers all day long then you're doing something wrong, Maybe time for a career change, Probably same with phone.
Love it when people rage.
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Can you even read? I FIX overheating and damaged computers for a living. I know how this stuff works, and from the looks of it, much better than 90% of the guys here.
-PiLoT- said:
Of course the phone should get hot, and if it does the CPU should def do something about it and underclock
Also why do you have to swear so much? girlfriend problems? limp noodle?
also if ur going to buy something to test its gaming prowess, buy a psp or something
my advice? stop being a moron.
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"I quitted temple run, ran a Quadrant session, and yeah, it had overheated and reduced its performance like it happened last time. Halved performance due to overheating, exactly like it happened this summer, 3000 points instead of the usual 6000+ it gets."
thats not permanent, its the app staying in cahced processes just in case it needs relaunching. try ending the process and try benchmarking again
you find removing it from the ram as a process may help
i just ran quadrant on mine
its warm cause im playing music and have tons of crap open. it hasnt slowed down. and its score was 2937. i dont see the issue though? the number means nothing on its own. its a potential comaprison tool
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You also have trouble reading and understanding basic english. If I play a game, then quit out of it, and then run quadrant and I get half the score, there is something wrong, that being the CPU clocking itself down to 800Mhz (instead of 1500) because of overheating. OVER HEATING, not simply heating up. Over heating is NOT normal. If I only had too much stuff open, the CPU wouldn't have clocked itself down to 800Mhz, it would have ran at 1500 but with reduced performance in quadrant because of high memory and CPU workload in background stuff.
Anyway, I'm done with you guys. Educate yourselves on how processors, operating systems and electronic devices work then come back.
MarkMRL said:
Pffft. Do you even know what you are talking about? It SHOULD NOT overheat, only heat up a bit. Playing a game or doing anything CPU intensive should not OVERHEAT the phone, only heat it up a bit. There is a difference between heating up and OVERheating. Overheating means there is something wrong with the cooling solution, and should not happen unless the cooling system or the chip itself (this case, since a cellphone doesn't have a cooling system) is faulty. Learn what 'overheating' means.
Can you even read? I FIX overheating and damaged computers for a living. I know how this stuff works, and from the looks of it, much better than 90% of the guys here.
You also have trouble reading and understanding basic english. If I play a game, then quit out of it, and then run quadrant and I get half the score, there is something wrong, that being the CPU clocking itself down to 800Mhz (instead of 1500) because of overheating. OVER HEATING, not simply heating up. Over heating is NOT normal. If I only had too much stuff open, the CPU wouldn't have clocked itself down to 800Mhz, it would have ran at 1500 but with reduced performance in quadrant because of high memory and CPU workload in background stuff.
Anyway, I'm done with you guys. Educate yourselves on how processors, operating systems and electronic devices work then come back.
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Which temperature separates heating and overheating, then?
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MarkMRL said:
Pffft. Do you even know what you are talking about? It SHOULD NOT overheat, only heat up a bit. Playing a game or doing anything CPU intensive should not OVERHEAT the phone, only heat it up a bit. There is a difference between heating up and OVERheating. Overheating means there is something wrong with the cooling solution, and should not happen unless the cooling system or the chip itself (this case, since a cellphone doesn't have a cooling system) is faulty. Learn what 'overheating' means.
Can you even read? I FIX overheating and damaged computers for a living. I know how this stuff works, and from the looks of it, much better than 90% of the guys here.
You also have trouble reading and understanding basic english. If I play a game, then quit out of it, and then run quadrant and I get half the score, there is something wrong, that being the CPU clocking itself down to 800Mhz (instead of 1500) because of overheating. OVER HEATING, not simply heating up. Over heating is NOT normal. If I only had too much stuff open, the CPU wouldn't have clocked itself down to 800Mhz, it would have ran at 1500 but with reduced performance in quadrant because of high memory and CPU workload in background stuff.
Anyway, I'm done with you guys. Educate yourselves on how processors, operating systems and electronic devices work then come back.
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It's 45 nm, dual core and 1.5 gHz. ofc it got hot. But not overheating. When the hardware is overheating, it'll turn off, u should know that.. I said again, it's the rom/kernel that asked the procie to lower itself when in some temp. mine? I never have this problem since in cm10. Read my posts again. And surely I benchmarked over and over again (antutu) and the scores are vary, but not very much (I even got Max scored at my fifth try, the phone was hot though, but it was alright)
And if u search about xperia s overheating, there are some talks (even here in xda) bout performance hits, etc.. but it was way back there... I thought ppl already learn how to handle this... well, I thought wrong.
Ang if u thought the phone is hot, try playing with HTC one x...
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MarkMRL said:
Pffft. Do you even know what you are talking about? It SHOULD NOT overheat, only heat up a bit. Playing a game or doing anything CPU intensive should not OVERHEAT the phone, only heat it up a bit. There is a difference between heating up and OVERheating. Overheating means there is something wrong with the cooling solution, and should not happen unless the cooling system or the chip itself (this case, since a cellphone doesn't have a cooling system) is faulty. Learn what 'overheating' means.
Can you even read? I FIX overheating and damaged computers for a living. I know how this stuff works, and from the looks of it, much better than 90% of the guys here.
You also have trouble reading and understanding basic english. If I play a game, then quit out of it, and then run quadrant and I get half the score, there is something wrong, that being the CPU clocking itself down to 800Mhz (instead of 1500) because of overheating. OVER HEATING, not simply heating up. Over heating is NOT normal. If I only had too much stuff open, the CPU wouldn't have clocked itself down to 800Mhz, it would have ran at 1500 but with reduced performance in quadrant because of high memory and CPU workload in background stuff.
Anyway, I'm done with you guys. Educate yourselves on how processors, operating systems and electronic devices work then come back.
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i said remove it as a cahed process then run it again.
also why run a benchmark. its a hypothtical scoring number
I've only used my phone for light stuff like browsing Twitter, Reddit, etc., but doing so causes my phone to noticeably warm up as if doing some heavy duty stuff, especially if on max brightness. It heats up faster/easier than my Nexus 5. Anybody else noticing this? I think I'm gonna go to T-mobile tomorrow and tell them, but I wanna make sure that I'm not tripping.
Mine got quite hot when I was downloading a lot of apps in a row. It gets warm on normal browsing but not hot.
Same here, updating apps from the play store, video watching etc. Wil cause the back side, at the middle section to heat up.
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I've only used my phone for light stuff like browsing Twitter, Reddit, etc., but doing so causes my phone to noticeably warm up as if doing some heavy duty stuff, especially if on max brightness. It heats up faster/easier than my Nexus 5. Anybody else noticing this? I think I'm gonna go to T-mobile tomorrow and tell them, but I wanna make sure that I'm not tripping.
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I've been having that issue also. Haven't really figured out. Just know when that happens, battery drains fast.. think it's an app eating up battery creating heat but haven't figured out which one...
I am having the exact same issue. I'm thinking about switching my phone through T-Mobile and going with the M9 because I'm not hearing of this issue at all on the M9.
Yea. I'm definitely getting lots of heat on my S6 Edge as well, especially while running multiple apps while updating Google play apps.
yes I am also facing those heating issues..
I was first told that all phones get hot if you use them while charging but then it has happened thrice now even when I am not charging it.
The heat is pretty bad right at the end of your right thumb..
Had my S6 Edge a week and I'm surprised I haven't had any heat. I use the web a lot but I haven't played games on it yet.
Mine also
Mine is also getting hot with normal usage... I think I should move to SC
Yep. I also have the s6 Edge, and the heat was pretty much unbearable. I was within my 14 day return, so I have the HTC M9 on the way. It was reported HTC fixed most of the over heating issues with the M9 before launch. I will see. This phone will more than likely be returned to T-Mobile if Samsung doesn't come out with a fix soon. I could see this becoming a huge issue after launch since this phone is made out of glass and metal.
I had the Xperia Z1s which had a glass front and back and the HTC M7 and M8 and they all felt hot after using them for a while, once you put a case on them it gets less noticeable. I just assumed it would be the exact same since the S6 uses both glass and aluminum. But yes it does get hot after a while lol.
warming up
guy's i have same issue like u
but , i disable some bloatware useless apps , and warming is better now ,test it and let other knows.
test more ,and make this better
Mine only gets hot if I'm charging while doing a lot of stuff on the phone. After the OTA I did a factory reset and it seemed to fix the "always hot" issue.
Heating up is a good thing. It means you have a good thermal path from the internals to the external metal chassis. If the device stayed cool to the touch while working it would mean the internals would be at much higher temperatures and throttling would kick in to prevent breaching SOA.
That said, it should not get so hot that you cannot hold it, like a hot potato!
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Mine only gets hot if I'm charging while doing a lot of stuff on the phone. After the OTA I did a factory reset and it seemed to fix the "always hot" issue.
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what's u'r version ?!!! and firmware
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I have a 64gb G6E running OCG.
Well i had an S6 for some days and then got the M9
I can easily say that the M9 is the same as the S6 if not cooler. It has already been proven that the S6's CPU reaches much higher temperatures than the M9 under a medium load
By the help of CPU-Z, it was detected that the S6 CPU reaches a whoping 66℃ if you just open the camera and take a pic
While in the M9, after a half an hour of Mortal Combat X, it reached 59℃
Mind you that these temperatures are CPU TEMPs not Battery/skin temps
S6 internal design is credited to be honest for putting the CPU away from the battery by a nice distance, so the battery doesn't heat up! When the CPU was 66℃ the battery was 31℃ !!!
But in the M9, the CPU is covering the battery, so when the CPU heats up, the battery heats up also. In the case when the CPU was 59℃ the battery was 45-44℃ which is considered to be warmer than the S6's 31℃
However the M9's metal casing helps in heat dissipation a LOT!! just leave the phone for a minute or two, and the phone will cool down very fast. It can cool down all over to 36℃ from 44℃ in three minutes!! Which means that throttling effect will be removed and you can enjoy your device's full potential again in the S6, if the phone heats up badly, the temperature is preserved as the glass is a bad thermal conductor. Also the phone might be very hot to touch in the upper right quadrant of the device in thr CPU side, while the M9 will feel warm all over the device.
So conclusion, the S6's 14 nm SoC heats up more than the M9's 20 nm SoC, but the skin temperature of the M9 is higher than the S6's but it is not annoying, and cools down very fast! If the S6 feels cooler, it is because the CPU is positioned far from the battery, not because it is built on a 14 nm process :laugh:
Is there a way to reduce it? My phone slows to the pace of a sloth far too frequently and it seems correlated with temp.
I'm assuming that's the cause because when I look at the CPUs in CPUz the last two go down to 633MHz when things are getting slow. Also seems worse with a case but could be my confirmation bias. This is particularly apparent with the camera, Maps, and when coming out of doze.
Is there a more conclusive way to figure out what is causing my Nexus 5X's occasionally brutal performance?
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Well, what exactly are you doing with your phone that's causing it to throttle itself? I think with a stock kernel the phone begins to throttle and eventually shut off the Big cluster at 36 or 37 degrees Celsius (someone correct me if I'm wrong). If you flashed a custom kernel, most here have had that limit raised to 46C.
Last weekend I used my phone quite a bit for strenuous tasks including Navigation, Google Maps, lots and lots of pictures and 1080P video. The phone got noticeably warmer, but when I checked my kernel management app, the CPU temperature wasn't even close to the throttle temperature. Unless you're gaming or constantly benchmarking your phone this really shouldn't be a problem. Especially when coming out of Doze. The phone doesn't immediately enter Doze, it waits a while and there are factors that play into its decision to even enter doze in the first place (like laying on a flat surface for X amount of time). So when a phone is exiting Doze because of your input (turning the screen on) the CPU should be quite cool (maybe 22+ degrees). There's no thermal throttling there. The Big cluster shuts off when the screen is off for the sake of battery life, so maybe the lag that you're experiencing stems from the lack of the Big cluster being on for the first second or so when waking the phone back up.
I'll agree that the SD808 isn't a stellar chip; maybe even embarrassing. It's not blisteringly fast, but it certainly isn't slow. There are ways to speed up performance and improve battery life at the same time, which I'm sure you'd appreciate. Unfortunately you have not specified if you're running a custom ROM or kernel, so that's pretty much all the advice and information I can give you right now. But, if you're currently running stock, I'd highly recommend you unlock your bootloader and try out some of the custom (and more lightweight) ROMs that this community has to offer as well as some great kernels. That should make a noticeable difference right off the bat. Then you can dive into the nitty gritty details of tweaking and whatnot if you desire. Check out the links in my signature as a starting point. If you're looking for optimization and speed (like I do) then you'll be impressed.
Thanks for your reply.
I switched to ElementalX about a week ago and it may be a bit better now but it's hard to tell. I've also been using a spigen slim case, maybe that is causing heat to accumulate too.
I don't game. My usage is Maps, Facebook, Snapchat, camera, chrome, hangouts, Spotify, and textra.
I use greenify and amplify as well on xposed. Disabling xposed doesn't seem to make a difference.
Can you confirm that ElementalX throttles at 46C and stock at 36C?
I'm interested in your recommendations. When running geekbench it takes about 9 minutes for things to really slow down.
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If you search the ElementalX thread you can see that the developer, Flar2, was getting very frustrated with the thermal throttling on this device (others were too, as well). You can read through the progression and, eventually, the decision to apply a "thermal fix" or raise the thermal throttling limit. The threshold is 46C now. Confirmed. The stock thermal throttle threshold is 10 degrees less than that from what I've read. I also remember reading that Franco did a fair amount of research into the throttling issue and found that the CPU was capable of going over 50C with no issues (but aren't recommended), so the limit in place now by the ElementalX kernel is a safe one that shouldn't be exceeded. He probably didn't make it any higher so he wouldn't be found liable by any users if they overheat or damage their phones.
I have no experience with xposed and everytime there's a compatibility issue, hard reboots, etc. it's always because of Xposed. So.. Yeah.
I also do not use any tweaking apps that supposedly save battery or whatever. I let the operating system take care of that. I do use the L-Speed app (again, in my signature) to disable certain things like debug logs and what not to speed things up slightly. Again, I highly recommend trying Ubermallow and Phasma Kernel as those have been my choice, after trying many others, for some time now. Also, I'd look into the interactive governor tweaks after you've settled on a ROM and kernel combination that you like. That's where you can fine tune the way the CPU governor on the phone behaves and can really make a difference in battery life and fluidity of the device.
Lastly, a case can make a difference with cooling but I've never really found it to be an issue. Maybe I'm just not hard on my phone enough.
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Is there a way to reduce it? My phone slows to the pace of a sloth far too frequently and it seems correlated with temp.
I'm assuming that's the cause because when I look at the CPUs in CPUz the last two go down to 633MHz when things are getting slow. Also seems worse with a case but could be my confirmation bias. This is particularly apparent with the camera, Maps, and when coming out of doze.
Is there a more conclusive way to figure out what is causing my Nexus 5X's occasionally brutal performance?
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A member on the 6p forum came up with a hard mod that does this with a special thermal paste better then stock . Requires tearing apart the device though ...so its risky but his results looked promising
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Google just agreed to take back my device so I only have a few days to try things and make my decision on whether to keep the phone or not.
Thank you for your thoughtful responses and suggestions.
Since I started using the phone outside of the case it actually seems much better.
Regarding the extreme slowness coming out of doze, it only occurs when in doze for a long time. Presumably because the phone tries to catch up on all the sync activity that's been paused for the last 12h or so.
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I think I'll try your suggestions and remove greenify, amplify, and xposed to see if things improve. I do agree that the system should be managing those things.
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Yeah, give it a few days. There are many ways to combat the throttling. Got my phone to 41C today while using it out in the sun. The Big cluster is limited to 633MHz at 36C and shut off at 41CC. The 46C built into the kernel is most likely for the LITTLE cluster to start getting throttled. Check the attached pics below.
Thanks. Btw what ROM and app is that?
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Thanks. Btw what ROM and app is that?
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ROM and Kernel are in my signature. The app for managing the kernel is Elementalx Kernel Manager and the app to add CPU usage overlays and stuff is called Trepn Profiler.
Sounds like the opposite to me, the phone might be slow because of software on the device not playing nice which causes the SoC to work over time (normal computing + rogue app computing) and can cause the device to over heat and throttle.
There's no reason the device should be slow after a period of doze. That tells me the device is having software caused slowdowns that are not related to thermal throttling.
It takes roughly 12 minutes of 100% sustained load (only synthetic benchmarks) to throttle the 2x A57 cluster, and I've never seen the 4x A53 cluster throttle under any conditions including hours of heavy gaming they stay at 1.4Ghz at all times.
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Sounds like the opposite to me, the phone might be slow because of software on the device not playing nice which causes the SoC to work over time (normal computing + rogue app computing) and can cause the device to over heat and throttle.
There's no reason the device should be slow after a period of doze. That tells me the device is having software caused slowdowns that are not related to thermal throttling.
It takes roughly 12 minutes of 100% sustained load (only synthetic benchmarks) to throttle the 2x A57 cluster, and I've never seen the 4x A53 cluster throttle under any conditions including hours of heavy gaming they stay at 1.4Ghz at all times.
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Yesterday I was using GPS to drive and Spotify was streaming. The phone got really hot and unresponsive and Spotify began to stutter. Was unable to even launch textra to text someone.
This of course only started maybe 10m into the drive. The phone is fine while cold.
Maybe I have a defective device but my benchmark stress tests give similar results to other people.
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Yesterday I was using GPS to drive and Spotify was streaming. The phone got really hot and unresponsive and Spotify began to stutter. Was unable to even launch textra to text someone.
This of course only started maybe 10m into the drive. The phone is fine while cold.
Maybe I have a defective device but my benchmark stress tests give similar results to other people.
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this is consistent with my experience. GPS and spotify (actually almost any app used concurrently with spotify) will cause the phone to have horrible lag.
also, don't text and drive
Interestingly, today when the phone was on battery saver it seemed much faster. Maybe more throttling could help things more than less?
Of course not exactly faster, but more consistent and no unbearable lagging.
Yesterday I flashed the stock firmware files other than user data. Unfortunately I lost root and it seems like I now need to reformat data to get TWRP going again but until then I'm fully stock. Does anyone know a way around that?
I haven't done enough testing to be sure but things seem to be running more smoothly for now than they did with root and ElementalX 1.06. However just writing this i can feel the phone heating up and becoming less responsive. The bottom 2 cores are offline with SoC at 36C and CPU at 56C when I switch to devcheck to check. Other 4 cores at 1440MHz.
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I've been having issues with thermal as well. Installed ElementalX along with the governer tweaks GhostPepper profile. When charging (this makes the device really hot) music begins to stutter, coming out of Viper4Android.
When not charging, slow accumulation of heat makes music stutter, same software used. Go figure. Maybe V4A is too demanding on the 808 chip, but I fear if this doesn't cut it, then I'll have to switch phones the next chance I get.
Oddly, this happens when screen is off - the music stutterings. I've thought about Doze and battery saving apps, and have disabled Doze for V4A through the battery optimize pane.
The phone constantly loses battery, around 2~5% an hour, I know thats not too much but my previous phone lost about 1% every three hours. This was a Note 3 Neo by the way. Installing Xposed and Amplify, Greenify and PowerNap should help, but I've had stability issues when using xposed. Maybe later.
Oh, and one last thing. My phone's thermal limit is set to 55 degrees Celsius, but it still feels like it throttles at around 39 or so. Maybe EX Kernel Manager isn't saving the changes, but either way... It throttles too much!
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That could be because of the custom software and CPU tweaks or your V4A installation. Using those settings always has the potential to cause issues and I would troubleshoot there first.
Minimum CPU performance with stock settings is 4x A53 cores at 1.44Ghz which is still fast. If you've ever use one of the more recent Moto G devices you'd know it doesn't stutter playing music when it's cold and neither does this device when it's hot.
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Setting the throttling temp limit to high will decrease performance, see here for details:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-5x/general/thermal-throttling-temp-performance-test-t3388559
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Yeah, give it a few days. There are many ways to combat the throttling. Got my phone to 41C today while using it out in the sun. The Big cluster is limited to 633MHz at 36C and shut off at 41CC. The 46C built into the kernel is most likely for the LITTLE cluster to start getting throttled. Check the attached pics below.
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Is this based on battery temperature or cpu temperature?
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Is this based on battery temperature or cpu temperature?
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CPU temperature but I beleive the phone also has ways of combating high battery temps as well.
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CPU temperature but I beleive the phone also has ways of combating high battery temps as well.
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If its cpu temp then no wonder it's always throttling the cpu is nearly always above 40°c.
What do you mean ''combating''?
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Hello everyone, this is my first post.
My phone is LG D855, bought from two years ago.
I know the S801 will running at 2.5ghz as its needed, which will increase the cpu temperature temporary in an acceptable range.
Therefore, I start thinking the problem about the CPU. Then I used the kernel auditor to force down the frequency and the voltage as low as possible.
But the situation still doesn't changed!! And the most weird part is that heating is not continuously but it will burn up suddenly for no reason and no any sign. The CPU temp has been reached around 62-70 degrees, and YES! You got that right, it is hot like I am using the laptop processor on my phone.
The things I had tried before :
Flashed many roms ( Including various stock roms )
Replaced a few new batteries ( Some of those was already dead )
Changing the CPU frequency and voltage ( Minimum 268MHz @650mv , Maximum 1497MHz @840mv)
Force to turn multi-cores off to 2-3 Cores
Apply some heat diffuser tape inside the phone ( Sorry, I don't know the name of that thing, it is black and the iPhone used it too)
After all these messing
Nothings has changed! Yeah! This phone is driving me crazy!
Imagine that something like a fireball burning in your pocket?
I had been suffering from LG G4's CPU issue enough. I was using the G3 before I had the G4
Because of the quality of the G4's camera, and in that time, my G3 just work very well. So I decided to buy G4 at that moment. But the result just told me I had made a wrong decision.
I just go back to G3 since my G4 was died, and now the G3 works very bad...
I am really disappointed on all LG's phones. I will never go there again.
Yeah first of all this is a messed up phone all over place. Heat and CPU throttling because of heat brings lag to phone. 62-70 Celsius us usually became normal for this phone, in summer it becomes worse. I know some people will say install this install that but there is no way. If you have enough money sell this and buy a new phone but if you don't have money try to apply thermal paste to your phone there is instructions in general section about that. Good luck.
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Yeah first of all this is a messed up phone all over place. Heat and CPU throttling because of heat brings lag to phone. 62-70 Celsius us usually became normal for this phone, in summer it becomes worse. I know some people will say install this install that but there is no way. If you have enough money sell this and buy a new phone but if you don't have money try to apply thermal paste to your phone there is instructions in general section about that. Good luck.
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Thanks for the suggestion, but the heat are still there even if I apply some paste on the die, doesn't it?
There seems the problem is just not about the hot air flow won't get out from the device, it's the CPU draining my battery as well, which is mean the heating is just one of those problems. The battery problem is can't be ignored too. When I noticed the phone start burning, I will take it out from the pocket and observe its battery status. And the result is very incredible, it had lost 10% battery life in just 10 minutes!
I had enough money to buy a new one, but just don't want to waste any money on phones until this one die.
I am not a power user or even not a gamer anymore, just used my phone for web surfing or chatting with friends. Although s801 is just way too much performance for me to doing those ordinary tasks, I still keep it for the QHD screen. Those cheap phones, yes, they are already matched my requirement but not included the screen.
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Thanks for the suggestion, but the heat are still there even if I apply some paste on the die, doesn't it?
There seems the problem is just not about the hot air flow won't get out from the device, it's the CPU draining my battery as well, which is mean the heating is just one of those problems. The battery problem is can't be ignored too. When I noticed the phone start burning, I will take it out from the pocket and observe its battery status. And the result is very incredible, it had lost 10% battery life in just 10 minutes!
I had enough money to buy a new one, but just don't want to waste any money on phones until this one die.
I am not a power user or even not a gamer anymore, just used my phone for web surfing or chatting with friends. Although s801 is just way too much performance for me to doing those ordinary tasks, I still keep it for the QHD screen. Those cheap phones, yes, they are already matched my requirement but not included the screen.
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People say thermal paste help them to get down heat. The problem is that G3 doesn't have any thermal paste to make cpu cool down. Cpu heat directly goes to metal surface so the phone can't cool down itself and sometimes it's so hard to touch it. If you have some hand skill try to apply thermal paste there are enough instructions and discussion in that thread. Also about battery, G3 battery is awful, it gets broken easily phone keeps reboot itself when battery dies, because it has QHD screen battery goes down easily. Make sure some apps don't stuck in background and eat battery. Sometimes when phone in pocket and idle it gets hot because some apps keeps working in background so make phone hot and eats battery.
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ceza1380 said:
People say thermal paste help them to get down heat. The problem is that G3 doesn't have any thermal paste to make cpu cool down. Cpu heat directly goes to metal surface so the phone can't cool down itself and sometimes it's so hard to touch it. If you have some hand skill try to apply thermal paste there are enough instructions and discussion in that thread. Also about battery, G3 battery is awful, it gets broken easily phone keeps reboot itself when battery dies, because it has QHD screen battery goes down easily. Make sure some apps don't stuck in background and eat battery. Sometimes when phone in pocket and idle it gets hot because some apps keeps working in background so make phone hot and eats battery.
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Hi, I did a research about the mod that applying the thermal compound on the CPU die.
Many of people say that is effective to reduce the temperature at least 10 to 20 degrees after they tried that on their G3. Since the thermal paste is not pricey, so I can give it a try. I will try to do anything I can to calm this baby down. And in the future, I will never fall into the LG's phones trap again. (by the way the G5 looks very nice, but it still not my cup of tea.)
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Hi, I did a research about the mod that applying the thermal compound on the CPU die.
Many of people say that is effective to reduce the temperature at least 10 to 20 degrees after they tried that on their G3. Since the thermal paste is not pricey, so I can give it a try. I will try to do anything I can to calm this baby down. And in the future, I will never fall into the LG's phones trap again. (by the way the G5 looks very nice, but it still not my cup of tea.)
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G3 is the only LG phone I've heard with heat issues.
My old G2 (which is just as fast) never overheated and always remained cool to the touch.
With that said, I just did the thermal pad mod yesterday.
Used some fujipoly 11 W/mK 0.5mm and it worked wonders.
Idle is 35-40C
Normal temps are 45-55C
One day into it and the phone is cool to the touch no matter what I toss at it.
Do the mod bro. 15-20C cooler temps across the board also makes a noticable boost in performance and smoothness.
I really enjoy using the phone like this
D855 CTT mod
1. Thermal paste.
2. CTT Mod : http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g3/development/wip-2-12-ctt-mod-marshmallow-testers-g3-t3313870.
I had the same problem. I found a youtube video, watched how to break the phone down, and applied the paste. It was important to use a generous (not an insane amount though) bead to ensure contact with the cpu and the frame. The phone temp at idle dropped ~15 to 20 degrees, and it never shuts down from overheating anymore. I can overclock the cpu with a custom kernel now, no heating issues at all.