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Stupid Question - Tmobile TP2 radio on ATT 3G

I'm actually a little embarrassed to even have to ask this question, I'm also pretty sure I know the answer but better safe than sorry. Can anyone confirm that the Tmobile version of the TP2 is able to access the ATT 3G network? I'm 99% sure it will but that weird Tmob band makes me nervous, any input would be appreciated.

No, it will not. However the ATT version shouldn't be too far behind the Tmo launch so don't worry too much

no offense but what is the basis for your statement, the Tmob version will have
850/900/1700/1800/1900/2100 bands which are basically the ATT bands plus 1700, why would the Wing II not work on the ATT network?

aaronsmckee said:
no offense but what is the basis for your statement, the Tmob version will have
850/900/1700/1800/1900/2100 bands which are basically the ATT bands plus 1700, why would the Wing II not work on the ATT network?
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Please show me where you found this data? Tmobile USA 3g network doesn't use the 1900 band for 3g; they use the 1700 band which is why Tmobile has to have devices specifically made for their network and why the Tmobile USA version won't work on ATT USA.
Again to clarify:
Tmobile USA = 1700/2100 for upload/download for its 3G
ATT = 850/1900 for upload/download for its 3G
Now Tmobile USA does use the 1900mhz frequency but that its GSM frequency it is not related to the 3g frequency. Confusing i know, but you asked.

One of the images advertising it does state all those bands, but does not differentiate which are for gsm and which for 3G (which can be misleading and confusing, ergo the clarification by jim_0068 ^). Though if they share the 2100 I have no idea whether you can get limited functionality or if you HAVE to have both of them. *shrugs*

jim_0068 said:
Please show me where you found this data? Tmobile USA 3g network doesn't use the 1900 band for 3g; they use the 1700 band which is why Tmobile has to have devices specifically made for their network and why the Tmobile USA version won't work on ATT USA.
Again to clarify:
Tmobile USA = 1700/2100 for upload/download for its 3G
ATT = 1900/2100 for upload/download for its 3G
Now Tmobile USA does use the 1900mhz frequency but that its GSM frequency it is not related to the 3g frequency. Confusing i know, but you asked.
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actually this is not entirely true either,
AT&T is using 850 and 1900 Mhz for their 3G network,
it was revealed recently that they are pushing the 3G network to the higher frequency (850) and plan to have the 3G completely on 850 by 2010.
if AT&T is using 2100, we would've been able to use the european HTC devices which has the 2100 band.

jim_0068 said:
Please show me where you found this data?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=537517
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4144863&postcount=1

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850/900/1700/1800/1900/2100 bands
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As far as I'm aware:
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900
UMTS:1700/2100
And therein lies the problem... While it supports all the bands that would be required, only a small subset actually apply to a 3G connection/signal...
Minimally, that would be the specs for it to work on T-Mobile, and quad-band GSM is just standard on 99% of phones these days...

baymon said:
actually this is not entirely true either,
AT&T is using 850 and 1900 Mhz for their 3G network,
it was revealed recently that they are pushing the 3G network to the higher frequency (850) and plan to have the 3G completely on 850 by 2010.
if AT&T is using 2100, we would've been able to use the european HTC devices which has the 2100 band.
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You're correct and i edited my post it is 850/1900 for ATT US 3G

I gaurantee you that the T-Mobile Touch Pro2 will not work on ATT's 3G Network At All... the frequencies for ATT will only support the 2G Network and therefore only phone calls and text messaging will work.

let's not go that far, let's not forget gprs (same speed as dial-up) and more importantly EDGE (for some that's more than enough).

when I go into the phone settings -- band I have these options on the Tmobile TP2:
GSM (900+1800)+UMTS(900+2100)
GSM (1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850)
UMTS(2100+800)

hppyfnbll said:
when I go into the phone settings -- band I have these options on the Tmobile TP2:
GSM (900+1800)+UMTS(900+2100)
GSM (1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850)
UMTS(2100+800)
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hmm, now I think the T-Mobile Touch Pro2 works on ATT's 3G Network.
It should also work worldwide too.

oooh, European bands, "standard" North American bands (they're not really standardized, neither in the US nor Canada and Mexico is barely getting 3G into place), and no idea what the last one is for, sounds like cdma...

solsearch said:
oooh, European bands, "standard" North American bands (they're not really standardized, neither in the US nor Canada and Mexico is barely getting 3G into place), and no idea what the last one is for, sounds like cdma...
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hmmm why is there 800 MHz?
Obviously this is some bull**** because it supports all of the 3G frequencies of worldwide carriers and american carriers.
I wouldn't trust this guy, he has 4 posts and he's obviously posting rumors.

Sorry for the horrible pictures, using a g1 to take them. I love watching people jump to conclusions.

hppyfnbll said:
Sorry for the horrible pictures, using a g1 to take them. I love watching people jump to conclusions.
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I think those numbers are for software only, in fact you probably don't have the hardware to support the frequencies of the wrong carrier.

seems that 800mhz is for Japan
and it doesn't allow for all of the North American bands (it's missing the 1700 one).
Could be just a software thing without hardware support, though that might be a tad odd, any way to check if it is?

solsearch said:
seems that 800mhz is for Japan
and it doesn't allow for all of the North American bands (it's missing the 1700 one).
Could be just a software thing without hardware support, though that might be a tad odd, any way to check if it is?
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My Xperia X1a shows UMTS (900) even when I check the settings... IN FACT only the X1i supports
It's very likely that the numbers you are seeing are actually all of the frequencies that are "summed up" and therefore the TP2 for T-mobile does not have the actual hardware.

poetryrocksalot said:
hmmm why is there 800 MHz?
Obviously this is some bull**** because it supports all of the 3G frequencies of worldwide carriers and american carriers.
I wouldn't trust this guy, he has 4 posts and he's obviously posting rumors.
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Those options have been around with the custom ROMs, I have that too on my Fuze, if your hardware doesn't support it then it'll just be an eye candy.
Bottom line is this, if you want to utilize AT&T's 3G, then you'll need to wait for AT&T's Fortress because you need the 850 and 1900 band (UMTS band II). If you want to use T-mobile's 3G you still need a TP2 that has the 1700 and 2100 band (UMTS band IV), and no you cannot use european TP2 to access US T-mobile's 3G band because european's (and asia's) 3G utilizes UMTS band I, they are on a slightly different frequencies even though they are categorized both on 2100Mhz.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands

[Q] Is it possible to Flash G2's 3G Radio, an set it to work on 900/2100 mhz??

Well, it's just as the title of this thread says... I have a Tmobile's G2 (A.K.A. HTC Vision), which its 3g default bands are under 1700 / 2100. Here on my country, all the providers have their 3g services on 900 / 2100.... soo... Is it possible to Flash T-mobile G2's Radio, an set it to work on 3g 900/2100 mhz, so I can use the phone on 3G, instead of that annoying and extremely slow EDGE??
Or, is there a Custom ROM that has these settings on it? (I mean, a rom that automatically turns the 3g band to 900 instead of 1700)
Thanx.

No you can't, the radio bands are set in hardware (e.g. the physical antennae in the phone), not just in the radio software.

Why would you need to, the phone would use the 2100 band for it's 3G in your country? I took mine to Russia and it worked fine.

I don't think it's that simple. I only get edge on my T-mobile G2 using the Rogers network.
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA app.

Rogers doesnt use 1700 or 2100 so that is to be expected. The original posters country has a 2100 3G, I would suspect he just isn't in a coverage area.

Circledog said:
Why would you need to, the phone would use the 2100 band for it's 3G in your country? I took mine to Russia and it worked fine.
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I don't think it works like that, I think it needs both bands to work. If it was that simple then surely they wouldn't bother making different phones for different markets (e.g. T-Mobile US vs Europe/Asia)

That may be...I'm only speaking of my experience in Russia, they have 2100 only 3G and mine worked without the second band.

Just to add, T-Mobile US use the 1700 MHz band for the uplink, and 2100 MHz for the downlink. So presumably the phones (i.e. G2, as opposed to the Desire Z) are physically setup like that too.

Oh I thought Rogers uses 2100. Either way, no worky.... sad.
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA app.

Ah, I think I'm following you, because Russia exclusively uses 2100 for up and down my phone worked, but since his county has a seperate uplink and a downlink band it won't?

Circledog said:
Ah, I think I'm following you, because Russia exclusively uses 2100 for up and down my phone worked, but since his county has a seperate uplink and a downlink band it won't?
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Yeah I think that's it. I don't know *that* much about this myself, just picked up on a few discussions about the G2/DZ on here over time.
Have a look at this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands
I think the "problem" is that the G2 uses exclusively "Band IV" for 3G (i.e. 1700/2100 split), but somewhere like the OP's Dominican Republic uses Band VIII (900).
What the OP needs is a Desire Z, which operates on Band I (2100) and Band VIII (900).
Russia appears to use Band I (2100) as well. Maybe a G2 can partially work there then ?
Rogers uses something else, Band II (1900) and Band V (850).
As I say, I'm don't know that much about this myself, so if anyone else can help clarify/confirm/deny, then that'd be great.

Much appreciated.
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA app.

Via Google, I dug up another interesting piece of info.
Although it's not on HTC's official spec list on their site, on T-Mobile's support pages it says that the G2 does Band I as well. Which would explain how it would have worked in Russia. That's not going to help the OP's problem though.
http://support.t-mobile.com/doc/tm24233.xml?&A2L.SERVICE=FeatureSummary

Wow mega confusing, but you helped clear it up, thanks!!
Mine worked very well in Moscow, I was pleasantly suprised, it was kind of a bonus to be able to get on the web, I wasn't expecting much.

I don't understand why the manufactures don't provide phones with penta-band 3G support like the Nokia N8. Maximize profit when producing 2-3 same phones with different frequencies maybe? I mean quad-band GSM has been supported for pretty much all of the current phones, why not 3G bands as well?

Has anyone tried this option?
bring up the dial pad and dial
*#*#info#*#* (aka *#*#4636#*#*)
press "Phone Info"
you'll get the screen with the imei, phone no, network and a button that says "Run Ping Test" at the top
press your "menu" button
when the menu pops up, it'll have 6 options, select radio band, view sim address book, view fixed dialling numbers, view service dialling numbers, get PDP list, and More.
Choose the first one "Select Radio Band" then select the appropriate band.
Not sure if it helps in this situation, but I found it in a thread about gaining 3G in Europe on the N1

hey bro.. I read from one topic in TMo's official G2 forum that the G2 will work on a country with only a UMTS band of 2100 both for up and down (the answer is from TMo employee, an engineer)... hope you'll be enlightened. I bought an unlocked G2 and I researched extensively before purchase. Im from the Philippines which only supports the 2100 band for 3G. I Know and Im 100% positive that the phone will support the 3G band here in my country. cant wait for my G2 (arriving tomorrow)
btw... coverage is vital. if the 3G signal is weak or non-existent in your area, you'll be switched to edge for data on your phone (naturally).. good luck
sorry.. cant post the link. would've loved to have posted it.

juanito05 said:
hey bro.. I read from one topic in TMo's official G2 forum that the G2 will work on a country with only a UMTS band of 2100 both for up and down (the answer is from TMo employee, an engineer)... hope you'll be enlightened. I bought an unlocked G2 and I researched extensively before purchase. Im from the Philippines which only supports the 2100 band for 3G. I Know and Im 100% positive that the phone will support the 3G band here in my country. cant wait for my G2 (arriving tomorrow)
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That's the Band I thing that I was talking about, that T-Mo shows on their spec sheets (but HTC doesn't seem to list, for some reason).

I think the G2 will do 3G if any one of the two bands are supported by the country. Correct me if Im wrong

juanito05 said:
hey bro.. I read from one topic in TMo's official G2 forum that the G2 will work on a country with only a UMTS band of 2100 both for up and down (the answer is from TMo employee, an engineer)... hope you'll be enlightened. I bought an unlocked G2 and I researched extensively before purchase. Im from the Philippines which only supports the 2100 band for 3G. I Know and Im 100% positive that the phone will support the 3G band here in my country. cant wait for my G2 (arriving tomorrow)
btw... coverage is vital. if the 3G signal is weak or non-existent in your area, you'll be switched to edge for data on your phone (naturally).. good luck
sorry.. cant post the link. would've loved to have posted it.
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There is nowhere in the world that uses 2100 in both directions. Band 1 is 1900 UP, 2100 DOWN.
In all cases, your phone must be able to upload on the frequencies that the towers listen on, and download on the frequencies that the towers transmit on.
I.e., north america vision transmits on 1700 or 1900, receives on 2100.

Help Please! Will the galaxy nexus work with Mobilicity?

Hey Everyone,
I recently pre-ordered the Galaxy Nexus from Bell on contract for three years thinking that Wind and Mobilicty are CDMA. (I know, I'm crazy). I have just figured out that they are in fact a GSM network. My question is that if I changed my order from bell from a three year contract to unlocked, will it work on Mobilicity's service? I know there probably won't be 4G speeds but if I can get a plan with unlimited calling and data for $17.50 per month instead of the 500mb and 200 minutes im getting with Bell for $50 a month, I'd rather get it unlocked.
Note: If you say it will work, please provide some evidence of some sort, e.g. some specs that state that the Galaxy Nexus will work with Mobilicity's network
Thanks so much everyone, and if you could reply as fast as possible it would be extremely appreciated as the promotion that they have for $17.50 might be over really soon so I'll buy it right away.
-Mosh

Galaxy Nexus is penta-band 3G phone...so the HSPA version will work on that network.
You're ok with it,enjoy the phone.

inoplanet said:
Galaxy Nexus is penta-band 3G phone...so the HSPA version will work on that network.
You're ok with it,enjoy the phone.
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Are you sure? I don't mind having slow speeds (HSPA) but my budget is really low and I really want to make sure that the phone will work with Mobilicity out of the box

Yes it will work. Relax

AllBlaxx said:
Yes it will work. Relax
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Thanks, but could anyone point me to specifications for the galaxy nexus which tells me what frequencies or radios they use? I'm really bad at this kind of stuff
Thanks again all

Even though you would have a hard time finding any GSM/UMTS/HSPA network it doesn't work on you could always check the list on Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UMTS_networks#Americas
It says Mobilicity uses the same frequencies as T-Mobile US, a frequency that is both listed in the official specs and is something some people is already using it on without issues.

mohitrocks said:
I don't mind having slow speeds (HSPA)
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This statement makes me shiver for some reason

gambiting said:
This statement makes me shiver for some reason
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Compared to HSPA+?
Edit: So the Galaxy Nexus works with 1700 band IV (AWS)? http://imgur.com/NJrCK
Edit2: So, according to http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_nexus-4219.php, the galaxy nexus has the following:
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100
So Mobilicity definitely supports this?
Edit 3: According to a Wikipedia page on Mobilicity:
"Network
The company also has a cell-site sharing agreement with Bell Mobility to share cell tower space in all Mobilicity zones[12]. The network uses the UMTS IV frequency band, also known as AWS, to provide UMTS (with HSPA) service[13]. Using this band, user equipment transmits at 1710–1755 MHz, and receives at 2110–2155 MHz. AWS is the same frequency as Wind Mobile and Videotron in Canada and T-Mobile USA. Like WIND, Mobilicity does not have a 2G, EDGE, GPRS GSM Network.
Mobilicity's network is compatible with the same handsets and devices as Wind Mobile and Videotron networks, and UMTS handsets and devices offered by T-Mobile USA.
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So is the Galaxy Nexus a UMTS handset that works with T-Mobile USA?
Thanks again guys, sorry for being a complete noob

mohitrocks said:
Compared to HSPA+?
Edit: So the Galaxy Nexus works with 1700 band IV (AWS)? http://imgur.com/NJrCK
Edit2: So, according to http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_nexus-4219.php, the galaxy nexus has the following:
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100
So Mobilicity definitely supports this?
Edit 3: According to a Wikipedia page on Mobilicity:
"Network
The company also has a cell-site sharing agreement with Bell Mobility to share cell tower space in all Mobilicity zones[12]. The network uses the UMTS IV frequency band, also known as AWS, to provide UMTS (with HSPA) service[13]. Using this band, user equipment transmits at 1710–1755 MHz, and receives at 2110–2155 MHz. AWS is the same frequency as Wind Mobile and Videotron in Canada and T-Mobile USA. Like WIND, Mobilicity does not have a 2G, EDGE, GPRS GSM Network.
Mobilicity's network is compatible with the same handsets and devices as Wind Mobile and Videotron networks, and UMTS handsets and devices offered by T-Mobile USA.
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So is the Galaxy Nexus a UMTS handset that works with T-Mobile USA?
Thanks again guys, sorry for being a complete noob
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I already said so, yes. Should be no problem. My mention of T-Mobile US was only if you wanted to know actual users who are already running it on those frequencies.
Yes, it's a UMTS handset that works with T-Mobile USA. I don't know how I can make it any clearer.
EDIT: Well, to clarify it a bit more I can say that HSPA (HSDPA and HSUPA) HSPA+ are improvements upon UMTS. In other words, every HSPA device is a UMTS device.

blunden said:
I already said so, yes. Should be no problem. My mention of T-Mobile US was only if you wanted to know actual users who are already running it on those frequencies.
Yes, it's a UMTS handset that works with T-Mobile USA. I don't know how I can make it any clearer.
EDIT: Well, to clarify it a bit more I can say that HSPA (HSDPA and HSUPA) HSPA+ are improvements upon UMTS. In other words, every HSPA device is a UMTS device.
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Perfect, thanks so much!Also, according to other websites it has UTMS 1700/2100 or HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100 or Network (3G) HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100 so basically it will work for sure right?
Sorry for repeatedly asking the same thing, I just want to be sure. One more yes, and I'm going to change the order from 3 year term to unlocked

mohitrocks said:
Perfect, thanks so much!Also, according to other websites it has UTMS 1700/2100 or HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100 or Network (3G) HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100 so basically it will work for sure right?
Sorry for repeatedly asking the same thing, I just want to be sure. One more yes, and I'm going to change the order from 3 year term to unlocked
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How many different ways do we have to say this? It has quadband GSM and pentaband 3G, if you put in a North American SIM in the phone, it will work.

Xperia Ion LT28H or LT28I on Tmobile USA 3G/4G?

Has anybody been able to use the Xperia Ion LT28H or LT28I on Tmobile's 3G/4G? Some spec sheets list the AWS band and some don't.
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Has anybody been able to use the Xperia Ion LT28H or LT28I on Tmobile's 3G/4G? Some spec sheets list the AWS band and some don't.
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The LT28H might be alright, but the LT28i will not be, due to that it only has one bandwidth it can use and not the other one. It is the missing the 850Mhz band,

LT28i barely works on T-mobile. I tried that and it dropped out of network very often.

I have an LT28i and it worked fine on T-Mobile's 3G when I was over there for a month. Their coverage is patchy in some places, but I got good speeds when I actually had 3G coverage...

xperia ion lt28i
i ran into this dilemma before and started a thread as specs conflicts
after some research and getting a hold of sony , the unlocked lt28i does work on t-mobile 3g, which i currently have right now and am very happy with it, am in phoenix area which is one of the better spots for t-mobile
many websites had the specs wrong, i had gsm arena semi fix it but they havent recognized the 3 versions for the ion, there is the lt28i which is the international version(t-mobile compatible) , lt28at which is at&t locked and lacks the frequency needed for t-mobile 3g as of now, the lt28h should work also on tmobile and is capable of 4g speeds on paper but sellers that i came across couldnt distinguish which international version they had so i went with the lt28i, which is future proof for lte and t mobile reframe to 1900mhz for 3g in the coming months
my brother has the galaxy s3, synthetic benchmarks aside, when i have 3g and the s3 has 4g web browsing is almost the same speed, even though he has ics but its not a polished experiance like the ion
the phone is loud enough contrary to web reviews that dont know anything about the XLoud
screen is great, battery isnt the greatest but sufficient for a whole day
hope this helps
if you google any sony model followed by "white paper" you will get the accurate specs for it

T-Mobile US
I've got LT28i and it works perfectly well in Charlotte, NC where we have 1700 AWS. My average speeds are 7-9 mbps. I flashed Rogers Radio right after ICS upgrade. Unfortunately it does not support HSPA 42 only 21. Also when scanning for available networks I get AT&T 2G, 3G, LTE besides T-Mobile 2G, 3G.

2g, 3g, 4g, etc
From the White Papers on each phone.
LT28i: UMTS HSPA+ 850 (Band V), 1700 (Band IV), 1900 (Band II), 2100 (Band I)
GSM EDGE 850, 900, 1800, 1900
LTE Band IV and Band XVII
LT28h: UMTS HSPA+ 850 (Band V), 900 (Band VIII), 1700 (Band IV), 1900 (Band II), 2100 (Band I)
GSM EDGE 850, 900, 1800, 1900
LT28at: UMTS HSPA+ 850 (Band V), 1900 (Band II), 2100 (Band I)
GSM EDGE 850, 900, 1800, 1900
LTE Band IV and Band XVII
So, they all work 2g and 3g on AT&T which uses 850 and 1900 for both. Only the LT28at will not work on T-mobile 3g, which usually needs 1700. However, they do lease 850 from AT&T and have started reallocating 1900 in some areas for 3g- according to wikipedia's T-Mobile page. So, you may be able to get it to work in some places 3g for T-mobile, but what's the point if you can buy the LT28i and have the best possible 3g coverage through T-mobile? And in 2013 then, both the LT28i and LT28at will work on AT&T and T-mobile for LTE/4g, which T-mobile has not yet deployed.
Personally, I thought the LT28h was the international version because it will work 3g in any country. That said, the other two will work in most countries 3g, you would just not have all the operators to choose from. Japan and Some of Europe may be questionable for 3g on these phones. Look up List_of_UMTS_networks on wikipedia. I can't post the link, but it lists all the UMTS operators and the frequencies they use.
The Xperia V (LT25i) soon to be release will be tri band UMTS and pentaband LTE. Not sure it will work on AT&T and T-mobile without band IV, but the other bands contain all of the band IV uplink and downlink frequencies, so I would think it could be used. LTE is not widely used yet if you travel to off-the-beaten-path places like I do though. Until LTE is more widely deployed, I'm more comfortable with a pentaband UMTS.

From what I have read t-mobile does not have any 4g technologies implemented at this current time. They do call hspa/hsdpa "4g" although it is only a slightly modified 3g tech. I have the lt28h which fully works without issues on the higher speed h+ tmobile networks. I think the soon to be released sony TL will work on tmobile for there hspa/hsdpa networks and depending on how they use lte it may work in some markets once they enable lte which could come as soon as january in some markets but probably not until 2014. Either way by the time that tmobile implements LTE sony will probably have 20 more variants of the sony xperia s. But if you want a fast high speed phone for today's tmobile network the lt28h will work what you need to look for is a phone that has hsdpa 1700/2100 this is how to get tmobiles full speed. The sony t , sony tx and the sony tl should also work.

After reading this entire thread now I'm more confused. Ruling everything out, the LT28H is the perfect model for use on Tmo's faux "4G" until they deploy LTE? I need a decent replacement phone that runs on something other than EDGE using Tmobile. My Samsung Galaxy S 4G is slow and needs to be cut loose. Advice?
In the long run I want the Z or ZL but the LT28H will have to do for now.

quailallstar said:
After reading this entire thread now I'm more confused. Ruling everything out, the LT28H is the perfect model for use on Tmo's faux "4G" until they deploy LTE? I need a decent replacement phone that runs on something other than EDGE using Tmobile. My Samsung Galaxy S 4G is slow and needs to be cut loose. Advice?
In the long run I want the Z or ZL but the LT28H will have to do for now.
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the lt28h works great for me on t-mobile, average speed of 40mbps and i've gotten 70mbps on several occasions.

mrd7rs said:
the lt28h works great for me on t-mobile, average speed of 40mbps and i've gotten 70mbps on several occasions.
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Nice! Now off to ebay to find an unlocked phone. These don't come in anything other than black right?

quailallstar said:
Nice! Now off to ebay to find an unlocked phone. These don't come in anything other than black right?
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it also comes in red.

mrd7rs said:
the lt28h works great for me on t-mobile, average speed of 40mbps and i've gotten 70mbps on several occasions.
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Question I forgot to ask. Are all these the same phone? LT28H and LT28i are the factory unlocked versions correct? And the LT28at is just the AT&T branded version?

quailallstar said:
Question I forgot to ask. Are all these the same phone? LT28H and LT28i are the factory unlocked versions correct? And the LT28at is just the AT&T branded version?
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lt28i and lt28at has lte, lt28at does not have 1700 (band 4) spectrum for t-mobile 3g/4g.

mrd7rs said:
lt28i and lt28at has lte, lt28at does not have 1700 (band 4) spectrum for t-mobile 3g/4g.
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So in theory those of us wanting the max speed while on T-Mobile would require us to get the LT28H? Just checking and asking tons of Q's before I drop 400 clams for a phone...

quailallstar said:
So in theory those of us wanting the max speed while on T-Mobile would require us to get the LT28H? Just checking and asking tons of Q's before I drop 400 clams for a phone...
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I have a Xperia SL lt26ii and a couple months ago it was only picking edge up, but as of recently in So Cal it's been picking up HSPA and when I went to florida it was getting 3g. Their high speed coverage is still pretty patchy around here though, their restructuring is taking forever.

quailallstar said:
So in theory those of us wanting the max speed while on T-Mobile would require us to get the LT28H? Just checking and asking tons of Q's before I drop 400 clams for a phone...
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i spent $600 on my lt28h when it first came out, and it was worth every penny

mrd7rs said:
i spent $600 on my lt28h when it first came out, and it was worth every penny
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Wow! But it is a nice phone. I'm also looking at the LT30a but can't find any online retailers that sell it.

quailallstar said:
Wow! But it is a nice phone. I'm also looking at the LT30a but can't find any online retailers that sell it.
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look for seller 'never-msrp' on ebay. that seller has the latest sony phones available and cheap.

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look for seller 'never-msrp' on ebay. that seller has the latest sony phones available and cheap.
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I will do that and see if he has either.

Galaxy Note 3 AWS 1700/2100 Users Thread (T-mobile, Windmobile, Mobilicity)

Hi All,
Just a thread to keep notes regarding our specific carrier needs, for now it's mostly to keep track of the release dates and availability elsewhere for Notes 3 models that are AWS compatible.
This thread will eventually evolved into Tips & Hints, Unlocking, Radio/ROM to flash, etc.
Tmo has finally updated their Notes 3 page; $704 full retail price
http://www.t-mobile.com/cell-phones/samsung-galaxy-note-3.html
Specifications:
CPU:
2.3 GHz Snapdragon Quad Core Processor
Display:
Super AMOLED™ HD 1080p Screen
Size and Weight
5.95 x 3.12 x 0.33 inches
5.9 ouncess
Operating System:
Android 4.3 (Jelly Bean)
Estimated Battery Life:
3200 mAh Battery
15 hours talk time
12 days standby time
Memory:
3GB RAM
32GB ROM
Connectivity:
Sync methods: USB, WiFi, Bluetooth, DLNA,NFC
4G Capable (up to 42Mbps)
Wi-Fi and Mobile Calling
Radios:
UMTS: Band IV (AWS);UMTS/HSPA+: AWS Band IV / 2100 / 1900 / 850;Band II (1900);Quad Band GSM;LTE
Hearing Aid Compatibility:
M3 & T3
In The Box:
Galaxy Note 3
Battery
Charger
Headset
Features:
Visual Voicemail
S-Pen
Swype
Speakerphone
Stereo Bluetooth® Connectivity
Samsung Media Hub
Proximity Sensor
Panorama Mode
Near Field Communication
Memory Card Slot (microSD)
LTE Capable
LED Camera Flash
720p & 1080p HD Camcorder
Google Voice Search™
Google Play™
Full corporate Exchange e-mail and calendar support
Front-facing 2 MP Camera
3.5mm audio jack
Alarm clock
Autofocus
Backlit Camera Sensor
BurstShot™
Bluetooth 4.0
Calculator
Calendar
Conference Calling
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it used to be a place holder page with vague spec, now it finally has some pictures on it with more info and pre-order
No news yet from Windmobile / Mobilicity

What does quad band gsm mean? Well it work on the at&t gsm only network if I get it unlocked, like straight talk etc
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noob question
sorry for the nooby question but i have been w8 a long time for the note 3 and now that its finally coming i feel left out.. i use wind and i really like it but they wouldn't give me any useful information about their plans for note 3. so i'm looking for help here, t-mobile has the preorder open and i was thinking of getting that, i live in canada so would i be able to preorder from t-mobile?? if it is would that note 3 work with wind?? and what model is t-mobile selling. thanks

Supports other carriers' frequencies as as well as LTE 2600 Mhz!
In addition to the tech specs cited by the OP from the products section, here is another "official" page from T-Mobile in their support section.
http://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-9056
Specifically, I am interested in roaming and network interoperation capabilities. So from that link, here it is for anyone else if also interested.
Tech specs: Samsung Galaxy Note 3
Network
3G/4G/LTE Capable
GSM: 850, 900, 1800, 1900
3G/UMTS: Band I (UMTS 2100), Band II (1900), Band IV (1700/2100/AWS), Band V (850)
LTE: Band 4, Band 17, Band 1(2100), Band 2(1900), 5(850), 7(2600)
As you can see, it includes every 2G/3G/4G frequency on AT&T (but AT&T's Notes 3 does not reciprocate), some on Verizon 4G (Band 4 but not their Band 13 700 Mhz which is different than AT&T's Band 17 700 MHz), and Sprint's 2G/3G and Band 2 1900 MHz 4G.
Well, I can hardly believe this. It even supports LTE 2600 Mhz which is available in many countries (including Canada's Bell and Rogers) and thus capable of the highest theoretical LTE speed where carrier supported.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks
I became most interested in the T Mo version because it offered the greatest interoperability after considerable research on the FCC site. Now discovered that sweet bonus of 2600 Mhz.
[Q] Which USA Note 3 Variant to get? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=45794297#post45794297
The TMo, Wind, Mobi version is the best in terms of using in other carriers' networks. That is not only in terms of the radio but traditionally, T Mo has not locked the bootloader. It's my undertanding the TMo version will come SIM-unlocked too.

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What does quad band gsm mean? Well it work on the at&t gsm only network if I get it unlocked, like straight talk etc
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It refers to the following 4 frequencies: 850, 900, 1800, 1900 Mhz. The frequencies are not universally supported by the world's carriers. In North America, the 850 and 1900 are used, while Europe for example uses 900 and 1800. Usage in other regions vary. But to have "quad band GSM" capability means global compatibility, at least on 2G networks, and is therefore desirable.
GSM itself and closely associated technologies EDGE and GPRS (if it's GSM, then EDGE and GPRS are automatically implied) is also referred to 2G that preceded the 3G and 4G we are now using but backward compatible with 2G. Thus 3G and 4G phones such as the Galaxy Note 3 we are talking about here will work on the AT&T GSM network (which by the way uses 850 and 1900 Mhz frequencies) in addition to (I think this is your confusion) to AT&T's 3G and 4G frequencies.
Any modern, unlocked phones nowadays that has GSM capability will be quad band. So 2G is not an issue - any version of the phone will work on any carrier's 2G network. However, if you want to use AT&T's 3G and 4G network, you have to get a version of the phone that supports AT&T's 3G and/or 4G network. Only AT&T's version of the Note 3 (as well as T-Mobile's version for reasons pointed out above) will wholly work on AT&T's 3G and 4G networks.
In summary - I'm not sure if this is the question you wanted answered - yes the T Mo version will work on the entire AT&T 2G (GSM), 3G (UMTS/WCDMA/HSPA) and 4G (LTE) networks - whatever voice or data capabilities your AT&T plan requires. But the T Mo version has to be SIM (carrier) unlocked. From what I understand, this is the case.
husainh said:
sorry for the nooby question but i have been w8 a long time for the note 3 and now that its finally coming i feel left out.. i use wind and i really like it but they wouldn't give me any useful information about their plans for note 3. so i'm looking for help here, t-mobile has the preorder open and i was thinking of getting that, i live in canada so would i be able to preorder from t-mobile?? if it is would that note 3 work with wind?? and what model is t-mobile selling. thanks
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WIND has traditionally used whatever version T-Mobile has used as they were exactly compatible with the WIND network and because WIND is too small of a company to impose their own specification on Samsung. They use the closet matching US model just like Bell, Rogers and Telus would use the AT&T version. Click on my link to [Q] Which USA Note 3 Variant to get? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=45794297#post45794297 and you will see the various model numbers of the Note 3. The "T" version is what WIND should carry (T for T Mobile surprise surprise) although the WIND Note 3 may come in their own orange retail box. Please note that WIND has traditionally SIM (carrier) locked their phones - you probably already know this but that means if you take it to the US, it'll roam on T-Mobile with WIND billing you. But if you did want to insert a T Mobile SIM, then you'd have to unlock it which, although can be done, would invalidate the warranty.
Also note that WIND doesn't use the quad GSM frequencies because it doesn't have a 2G network. It never built one because it started only in I think 2008 timeframe. Nor does it yet have a 4G network. So in Canada, it will use only the 3G 1700/2100 (AWS) capabilities of the T Mobile model. That's what I was talking about by WIND choosing the closet matching model for US carriers. But that's okay because if WIND does obtain part of that 700 MHz spectrum being auctioned by the CRTC, then their Note 3 would be 4G ready.
You're on WIND yet interested in the T Mo model because T Mo is taking pre-oders. Are you not aware WIND is also taking pre-orders since about September 23 through their Facebook account? https://www.facebook.com/WINDmobile/app_632884196731950

Also wind version going be octa core
Edit: it's official wind mobile getting s800 processor I feel disappointed that they mislead us on Facebook
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Welcome fellow Canadians!
Seeing as the Galaxy Note 3 is going to be released in Canada very shortly (October 4th), I figured we should get some discussion going on where you're buying, and any speculations to price points.
I just got off of a chat with Telus, regarding an email I had received, offering $50 off a device when you sign a contract, OR, stay month-to-month. So you can save a bit of money for those who are purchasing the phone outright, or even signing up for a new contract. You need to call a special sales line: 1-877-279-3900
Also, while she couldn't officially confirm, the rep did tell me that she would strongly suggest I go to a corporate store on Friday.. Obviously this is just in case there are shipping delays (doubtful) but I think that it's quite safe to say that it's coming out on Friday!
Currently, Wind Mobile is the only carrier to officially announce their pricing, but I think that it would be safe to say that the other carriers will be in line (roughly) with Wind.
- WIND 40: $449
- WIND 30: $549
- WIND 33: $549
- WIND 20: $649
- Outright: $749
I was also able to "confirm" with the rep, that the price point for Telus would probably fall around $799, so that isn't too far off of Wind's pricing.
Discuss anything related to the Canadian launch of the Note 3! :laugh:
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samsung note 3 - international n9000 version
Hi, I understand the whole concept of wind using the same frequency at t mobile.
I have a Samsung note 3 model num sm-n9000, and I want to use it on wind network which it is not allowing me to. Can you tell me the steps to take to allow my phone to accept wind frequency. thanks.
and please detailed, im new at this thing.
thanks

rminhas said:
Hi, I understand the whole concept of wind using the same frequency at t mobile.
I have a Samsung note 3 model num sm-n9000, and I want to use it on wind network which it is not allowing me to. Can you tell me the steps to take to allow my phone to accept wind frequency. thanks.
and please detailed, im new at this thing.
thanks
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Confused! Basebands
I'm confused! Can someone help me to line up which Note 3 model can operate in FDD LTE/4G on 1, 3, 8, 11 and 20 basebands?

This thread is titled Note LTE 1700 and 2100 MHz, this is why I post my question here.
I have 2 operator contracts: Vodafone Italy and Softbank Japan. I'm looking for a phone that will work LTE on both.
Vodafone Italy uses 1700 and 2100 MHZ
Softbank in Japan uses 1700 and 2100 MHz.
Can anyone reccommend me the right Note 3 LTE model?
So far I have been advised to buy the N9005.
But it does not have 1700MHz.
Any idea? Thank you.
PS: the N9005 comes in all these MPN. Can anyone tell me what differences there are?
N9005ZKEXSI
N9005ZKEBTU
N9005ZWEBTU
N9005ZIEITV
N9005ZKEITV
N9005ZWEITV
N9005ZKEPHE
N9005ZKEDBT
N9005ZWEPHN
N9005ZKEPHN

StarTAC Fan said:
Well, I can hardly believe this. It even supports LTE 2600 Mhz which is available in many countries (including Canada's Bell and Rogers) and thus capable of the highest theoretical LTE speed where carrier supported.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks
I became most interested in the T Mo version because it offered the greatest interoperability after considerable research on the FCC site. Now discovered that sweet bonus of 2600 Mhz
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That is great news, since I will be moving to Europe soon and will probably be able to use my SM-900T on their LTE network! :good:

StarTAC Fan said:
In summary - I'm not sure if this is the question you wanted answered - yes the T Mo version will work on the entire AT&T 2G (GSM), 3G (UMTS/WCDMA/HSPA) and 4G (LTE) networks - whatever voice or data capabilities your AT&T plan requires. But the T Mo version has to be SIM (carrier) unlocked. From what I understand, this is the case.
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Will the ATT 900A work on the T mobile network LTE fully? Once SP unlocked that is. I thought the N900A was missing one LTE band that T mobile USA uses?
I am considering moving to T mobile and wife has an N900A currently that I would like to use on the t mobile network.