[Q] Evo is S-Off, but acts like it is not rooted. - EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

A friend of mine has the EVO 4G. I rooted it for him last fall. I was trying to help him/teach him do stuff on his own and install a custom ROM the other day when we realized he didn't have a recovery on his phone any longer, or at least not able to access it, the screen went to a picture of a cell phone with a red triangle with an explanation point in the middle of it. When I rooted it, I installed Amon_ra and know for a fact it was there. We couldn't get to it from the h-boot menu or from ROM-Manager. I even tried to have ROM Manager go ahead and flash Clockwork-mod, but it said it couldn't get permission and the superuser permission never prompted like it should have. Wireless tether has also stopped working and it never prompted for a superuser request either. After talking about it, a few days ago we think he may have downloaded the Sprint update his phone has been prompting him for. He said he pulled his notification bar down to clear a notification out and a while later his phone suddenly rebooted and his phone hadn't prompted him since.
Booting his phone into H-Boot his phone still shows S-Off. It is showing h-boot version 6.16.1002 and radio version 2.15.00.0808
I'm not sure on the h-boot version, but I'm fairly certain the radio version is still an older version. So if I had to guess, the Sprint update didn't actually take, but for some reason it did something to knock out the recovery.
Anyone have any ideas? We'd like to get it to where we can get the radio's updated and then install a custom ROM such as Energy. Then get his wireless tether back going. One thing I have not tried is installing the recovery via the h-boot menu. At this point, I have been out of an Original EVO for about a year, so I thought I had better ask before I do too much.
I've spent the past couple days searching, so either I'm not entering the right key words or no one else has had this happen. I'm very good at hitting the thanks button for good answers! :good:

hawkman610 said:
A friend of mine has the EVO 4G. I rooted it for him last fall. I was trying to help him/teach him do stuff on his own and install a custom ROM the other day when we realized he didn't have a recovery on his phone any longer, or at least not able to access it, the screen went to a picture of a cell phone with a red triangle with an explanation point in the middle of it. When I rooted it, I installed Amon_ra and know for a fact it was there. We couldn't get to it from the h-boot menu or from ROM-Manager. I even tried to have ROM Manager go ahead and flash Clockwork-mod, but it said it couldn't get permission and the superuser permission never prompted like it should have. Wireless tether has also stopped working and it never prompted for a superuser request either. After talking about it, a few days ago we think he may have downloaded the Sprint update his phone has been prompting him for. He said he pulled his notification bar down to clear a notification out and a while later his phone suddenly rebooted and his phone hadn't prompted him since.
Booting his phone into H-Boot his phone still shows S-Off. It is showing h-boot version 6.16.1002 and radio version 2.15.00.0808
I'm not sure on the h-boot version, but I'm fairly certain the radio version is still an older version. So if I had to guess, the Sprint update didn't actually take, but for some reason it did something to knock out the recovery.
Anyone have any ideas? We'd like to get it to where we can get the radio's updated and then install a custom ROM such as Energy. Then get his wireless tether back going. One thing I have not tried is installing the recovery via the h-boot menu. At this point, I have been out of an Original EVO for about a year, so I thought I had better ask before I do too much.
I've spent the past couple days searching, so either I'm not entering the right key words or no one else has had this happen. I'm very good at hitting the thanks button for good answers! :good:
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If u accepted the update u will loose root. Just re-root
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sasquatchotragavaca said:
If u accepted the update u will loose root. Just re-root
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But it is still showing S-Off???

hawkman610 said:
But it is still showing S-Off???
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Try flashing recovery
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hawkman610 said:
But it is still showing S-Off???
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Having s-off does not mean you have root access. All you have to do is reflash the recovery through hboot and flash the super user.zip located at Androidsu.com under super user tab.
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evo4gnoob said:
Having s-off does not mean you have root access. All you have to do is reflash the recovery through hboot and flash the super user.zip located at Androidsu.com under super user tab.
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Correct; alternatively, just install su from the market, then install busybox.

teh roxxorz said:
Correct; alternatively, just install su from the market, then install busybox.
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If they are on stock ota installing su from market may not work, reflash recovery thru hboot, then install su and su-bin thru recovery. Its easier and guaranteed to work
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-EViL-KoNCEPTz- said:
If they are on stock ota installing su from market may not work, reflash recovery thru hboot, then install su and su-bin thru recovery. Its easier and guaranteed to work
We are legion, for we are many.
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Well yes, it is true, and that's the recommended route, but, all cards on the table here.

teh roxxorz said:
Well yes, it is true, and that's the recommended route, but, all cards on the table here.
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He said he wanted recovery to flash roms anyway, so might as well kill 2 birds with one stone, and just get su with 100% success on the first try instead of fighting with su from the market, personally I use super su pro and the su elite so I can unroot with a check box for some of tge sstupid no root allowed apps
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Reflashed Amon_ra through boatloader and then flashed superuser again as well. Seems to have fixed it. -Thanks
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hawkman610 said:
Reflashed Amon_ra through boatloader and then flashed superuser again as well. Seems to have fixed it. -Thanks
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Make sure to flash the matching su-bin.zip from androidsu.com too should use su-efghi and su-bin-efghi that way your binary is up to date so you don't get errors on updated apps
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Ok need a lil help I think I messed up

Ok so after a few unsucesfull attempts to root with one click. I tried the gingerbreak no pc method. Root went fine it seemed and I have super user and root access. Ok so I installed rom manager and tried to flash clockwork 2.5.1.0 so I go to rom manager, choose flash rom, go to clockmod 2.5.1.0.zip hit ok and all that eventually it reboots into clockwork. But the only options are: reboot, flash update.zip, factory reset, and clear partition. So I chose the update zip one. It failed said it couldn't find updaten.zip so I tried that a few times no luck reboted and tried again..no luck so I went through 3 b utton push thing on a reset and clockwork doesn't open. I have to go through rom manager and when I do those are the only 3 options. Also when in clockwork. The camera button is not the ok/enter button as it should be I have to hit the home key for ok. So I tried to flash the fix for 5the home screen. Same issues. Where di I go wrong? How do I get going again? The phone works fine, wifi teather is working now. Just can't seem to get clockwork working or flash anything
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svcbadass said:
Ok so after a few unsucesfull attempts to root with one click. I tried the gingerbreak no pc method. Root went fine it seemed and I have super user and root access. Ok so I installed rom manager and tried to flash clockwork 2.5.1.0 so I go to rom manager, choose flash rom, go to clockmod 2.5.1.0.zip hit ok and all that eventually it reboots into clockwork. But the only options are: reboot, flash update.zip, factory reset, and clear partition. So I chose the update zip one. It failed said it couldn't find updaten.zip so I tried that a few times no luck reboted and tried again..no luck so I went through 3 b utton push thing on a reset and clockwork doesn't open. I have to go through rom manager and when I do those are the only 3 options. Also when in clockwork. The camera button is not the ok/enter button as it should be I have to hit the home key for ok. So I tried to flash the fix for 5the home screen. Same issues. Where di I go wrong? How do I get going again? The phone works fine, wifi teather is working now. Just can't seem to get clockwork working or flash anything
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Okay, a few things first:
1. Narrow down your problem, your description is far from clear and concise
2. If you're having problems with ClockWorkMod, search their threads for your answers, or post your question there
3. Why are you using Gingerbreak? That's for, Gingerbread. You shouldn't be messing with a leaked and buggy Rom if you don't know what you're doing.
My suggestion is to go to the Clockworkmod thread. Check out version 3 in my signature. All your problems are likely answered there. But I can't answer them for you, regardless, because you neglected to mention why you resorted to this frazzled method. If you want to pursue this method, you'll have to go back to the forum you got it from for your answers, but I recommend starting over.
GOOGLE any question you have with "XDA" in the search bar and I promise that your question has already been answered.
Well I tried to do one click 4 times and could never root. I fund this gingerbreak method in the samsung epic 4g dev area. I ran it and I have root. I had no other idea what to do at the time to gain root. I have rea through the clockwork area but none of the help answerd seemed to have the same issues as me. Sorry. Ill keep reading. I been tryin. At thi since Friday afternoon n just getting frutrated
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The reason the One Click didn't work is because you didn't turn off your AV and it kept deleting the single most important part of it.
svcbadass said:
Well I tried to do one click 4 times and could never root. I fund this gingerbreak method in the samsung epic 4g dev area. I ran it and I have root. I had no other idea what to do at the time to gain root. I have rea through the clockwork area but none of the help answerd seemed to have the same issues as me. Sorry. Ill keep reading. I been tryin. At thi since Friday afternoon n just getting frutrated
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A couple dumb questions:
1. Is your computer detecting your phone?
You may have a cable problem.
2. Is your phone properly recognized?
You likely haven't installed the drivers listed on the OneClick page for 32 bit and 64 bit computers.
3. Have you attempted to Odin back to stock?
In the first line of my signature you will see a link to Syndicate Rom Frozen and CWM Odin. Download that rom to your phone. Then follow the other link and download the EB13 pre-rooted with CWM 3.0.0.6. Odin the necessary files as the page tells you to, then boot into CWM, and flash Syndicate Rom Frozen. Follow all directions where applicable. When your phone is happy, shutdown properly. Three finger boot into CWM. Backup your phone, and then RESTORE that backup immediately. Journaling will be on. You will be happy. Any future problems from there will have been answered in the Syndicate thread.
Edit: I see k0nane beat me to the punch! I still recommend following the directions as I laid out above, this should be an easier fool-proof process for you. Otherwise, I yield to k0nane's expertise.
Don't use ROM manager. It is very buggy with the Epic.
Do you BONSAI?
kennyglass123 said:
Don't use ROM manager. It is very buggy with the Epic.
Do you BONSAI?
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Very true, but the directions for Gingerbreak actually told him to use it for this computer-less root method.
Thanks for all the help so far. So what's better than rom manager?
Is there a way to just install clockwork right now? I am not wanting a custom rom or anything else. The only reason I am rooting at all is to fix the lock screen date.
If I could just install clockwork from where I am at now that would be helpfull.
Id like to keep all my settings and apps n such just as they are I finaly have this thing kinda doing what I want I really don't wana mess with it too much more.
Thanks for all the help so far.
My biggest issue with rooting so far has been my lack of access to a computer that I can use to do the roting. I get pc access but getting access to one I can download to doesn't happen often
Thanks again
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RandomKing said:
Very true, but the directions for Gingerbreak actually told him to use it for this computer-less root method.
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Yeah, there is very little choice for computerless rooting.
Do you BONSAI?
svcbadass said:
Thanks for all the help so far. So what's better than rom manager?
Is there a way to just install clockwork right now? I am not wanting a custom rom or anything else. The only reason I am rooting at all is to fix the lock screen date.
If I could just install clockwork from where I am at now that would be helpfull.
Id like to keep all my settings and apps n such just as they are I finaly have this thing kinda doing what I want I really don't wana mess with it too much more.
Thanks for all the help so far.
My biggest issue with rooting so far has been my lack of access to a computer that I can use to do the roting. I get pc access but getting access to one I can download to doesn't happen often
Thanks again
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I have the same issue, I actually downloaded CWM, Roms, and everything to my phone and then loaded them to my work computer. Use dolphin mini if the default browser gives you issues downloading.
Syndicate has a flash-able fix for the date, is that what you want to apply? I just put it on for the hell of it, but I have to tell you, after May, you won't see a problem with any other month. If that's your only reason for rooting, you may just want to stick it out for this month, just saying.
Yeah that's really the only reason I'm rooting.
Thanks for all the help!
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OTA after S-OFF?

Hey guys,
I used the AlpharevX Windows beta to S-OFF my Inc 2, then rooted using CWM (still on stock rom). I can see the OTA, and can download it, but it won't install.
The progress bar gets about 1/3 the way full then comes up with the triangle with the !.
I've tried it two or three times, did factory reset, have no idea what to do. Do I have to S-ON for it to install? If so, how exactly do I do that?
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parkwoodsuks said:
Hey guys,
I used the AlpharevX Windows beta to S-OFF my Inc 2, then rooted using CWM (still on stock rom). I can see the OTA, and can download it, but it won't install.
The progress bar gets about 1/3 the way full then comes up with the triangle with the !.
I've tried it two or three times, did factory reset, have no idea what to do. Do I have to S-ON for it to install? If so, how exactly do I do that?
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First, you cannot install an OTA when you have a custom recovery such as CWM installed. You at least need to install the original recovery image for your particular ROM before you try again.
Since the OTA in now available and official, why don't you just wait a few hours and someone will have a fully rooted version of the ROM that you can flash using CWM and not worry about losing S-OFF?
Let me give you a fair warning though, I'm not positive how Alpha set up their root, as I used XTC. BUT I know if you install the OTA with replacing CWM with regular recovery, you MAY be turned back to S-ON WITHOUT an option to get root back, UNLESS using the XTC clip. Enjoy.
Okay, I was afraid of that. I'm used to not even being able to see OTA's at all with CWM (came from Droid X), so it kind of threw me off.
Do you have any idea if the OTA is really any different from the leaked Inc S GB rom that's floating around? If, for some reason, it takes forever to get the ota rooted and they're not that different I may just install the leaked one I have.
Not trying to be a pain, just curious.
Thanks,
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parkwoodsuks said:
Okay, I was afraid of that. I'm used to not even being able to see OTA's at all with CWM (came from Droid X), so it kind of threw me off.
Do you have any idea if the OTA is really any different from the leaked Inc S GB rom that's floating around? If, for some reason, it takes forever to get the ota rooted and they're not that different I may just install the leaked one I have.
Not trying to be a pain, just curious.
Thanks,
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Check the Dev section. It looks like there is already a rooted, debloated version available.
I just created a PG32IMG.zip containing. Android-info text file and CWM recovery img renamed to recovery.img and placed it on root of sdcard
Booted into hboot and flashed it ...
Then I replaced the recovery with the stock recovery from the froyo ruu and flashed the stock recovery back....
Then flashed right back to CWM..
Never used any commands via windows or linux
I am going to install the ota and try to go back to cwm recovery and see what I can do from there.
I'll keep you guys informed
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This way we will know if the s-off is similar to.unrevoked for the incredible 1. I could do this all day long with theirs.
One way to find out right.
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Mr1070 said:
I just created a PG32IMG.zip containing. Android-info text file and CWM recovery img renamed to recovery.img and placed it on root of sdcard
Booted into hboot and flashed it ...
Then I replaced the recovery with the stock recovery from the froyo ruu and flashed the stock recovery back....
Then flashed right back to CWM..
Never used any commands via windows or linux
I am going to install the ota and try to go back to cwm recovery and see what I can do from there.
I'll keep you guys informed
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You will recieve the OTA update and get Gingerbread. YOU'VE BEEN WARNED BY MANY that you will NOT be able to -reroot. if you can that's because of the hboot alpha gave you. but if it changes ur hboot you need XTC clip to re-root. RMK already posted a ROOTED ROM of the current OTA. SAME THING, why chance root for OTA. THEY ARE THE EXACT SAME FILES. BUT WITH ROOT! just use his ROM. my 2 cents. do as you please
Link
Hey, Instead of Don't do this, do that, do this, don't update that, If you want the release and don't want to lose root, install from this link. This guy(rmk40) spent some time to get this out to us. Awesome work! You won't lose root, everything works.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1161411
Be sure to "Thanks" him for this
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Looking at the zip it appears theirs reflashes hboot, which will break s off as far as i know.
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I got RMK's rooted rom and it's awesome. Thanks for the help guys.
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[Q] How do I update to Gingerbread? ROM Manager Causing Issues

I want to update my G2 to Gingerbread 2.3.3 but for some reason when my phone restarts for the update to take affect I see the little green android with the progress bar. It stops without reaching 100% and I get an installation error. Why wont it upgrade? Could ClockworkMod Recovery be the culprit?
I don't know for sure but I would think so. Manually push the stock recovery (find it on the forum somewhere) back via adb and try again maybe? Either that or just flash the entire pc10img and u definitely won't have a problem. You will lose all your data tho.
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JosepHenry said:
I want to update my G2 to Gingerbread 2.3.3 but for some reason when my phone restarts for the update to take affect I see the little green android with the progress bar. It stops without reaching 100% and I get an installation error. Why wont it upgrade? Could ClockworkMod Recovery be the culprit?
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So if you have ClockworkMod Recovery, that means you're rooted.
What are you trying to update to 2.3.3 with? Are you taking the OTA? You can't do this (or really really shouldn't) when you're rooted.
If you're rooted, head to the dev section and pick up a pre-rooted 2.3.3 OTA release. You'll keep your root and be upgraded to 2.3.3 like you want.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1211143 I used this one. Its literally just the OTA, pre-rooted. No radio, just the ROM. Flash through ClockworkMod recovery. You should backup apps with something like Titanium Backup first, because its in your best interest to wipe all data through recovery before flashing.
Thanks guys. I honestly didnt know that I wasnt suppose to update/install official updates if my phone has been rooted. The pc10img ROM xsteven77x didnt work for me but the one martonikaj suggested did.
Once again. Thanks! Problem solved.
JosepHenry said:
Thanks guys. I honestly didnt know that I wasnt suppose to update/install official updates if my phone has been rooted. The pc10img ROM xsteven77x didnt work for me but the one martonikaj suggested did.
Once again. Thanks! Problem solved.
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Yep no problem. Just know that when you're rooted, you can no longer take any official update. Gotta do it on your own manually with pre-rooted ROMs.
Feel free to click "thanks" for my post glad I could help you out.

[Q] Factory Reset lead to problems with Titanium Backup (using CWM)

I've looked around and cannot find a solution specific to my issue. If someone can direct me to where I can find a solution I would be grateful.
I have a Samsung Epic 4g (Galaxy S) and have CWM on it. I recently did a factory reset of the phone and after resetting, Titanium Backup (not Pro) is stuck on the "asking for root rights...." screen, even after Superuser Elite asks to allow it.
I've seen things that say to uninstall the updates to SU and I've tried that. I've tried uninstalling SU Elite and Titanium Backup then reinstalling and I can't figure it out.
I'm somewhat of a novice when it comes to this, and brand new to this site so I'm hoping someone can help me with this while walking me through it if need be.
Thank you greatly.
Re-root maybe?
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Sounds like you may have lost root somehow.
nikon120 said:
Sounds like you may have lost root somehow.
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That's what I was thinking, but once I booted up my phone after the factory reset, superuser was still there. Doesn't that mean my phone is still rooted? Not to mention, I've booted up cwm a bunch still after the reset? I'm confused.
ET5115 said:
That's what I was thinking, but once I booted up my phone after the factory reset, superuser was still there. Doesn't that mean my phone is still rooted? Not to mention, I've booted up cwm a bunch still after the reset? I'm confused.
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To be sure, why not download the app root checker from the play store? Then you will know what you got.
TeamBringIt said:
To be sure, why not download the app root checker from the play store? Then you will know what you got.
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Awesome idea, I wasn't aware. However, I downloaded it, ran it and it verified my root access with no issues. HMPH. I have no idea what to do.
DEFINITELY A RE-ROOT, I say.
Superuser is just an app managing "ALLOWs" and "DENYs". The real issue should be that you lost/broke your su binary in /system/xbin... If you have CWM then easily recover by flashing the latest SU zip package found at http://androidsu.com/superuser/ . Good luck
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Team Epic has a CWM flashable that should also clear any binary remnants and get you back rooted the right way.. You can then flash TWRP and all that afterwards if you want.
epiccm.blogspot.com/p/about-epic-cm.html is the site link...mught help you.
AndyYan said:
DEFINITELY A RE-ROOT, I say.
Superuser is just an app managing "ALLOWs" and "DENYs". The real issue should be that you lost/broke your su binary in /system/xbin... If you have CWM then easily recover by flashing the latest SU zip package. Good luck
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Well, you have all been a big help. I downloaded this latest su zip and was about to see if it was the issue. Right before I did that, I said "what the hell" and tried flashing via rom manager one more time. You guessed it, it worked. All the headaches for no apparent reason. However, I thank everyone. I'm a new member to the site and it's refreshing to see many try and come to your aid.

Root problem

Hello everyone, I've had and rooted a plethora of Android devices but none have given me as much trouble as the S3, I have tried every sprint method that there is all to no avail. I tried CF-Auto-Root, nothing, tried downloading SuperSU after using that, says no SU binary. I tried every option in the Android toolkit, and nada. I looked all over for a Rooted Restore cause thats what always saved me forever ago on the S2 but there's none for that. I'm running out of options, I'm on 4.3 MK3 and I could deff use some help please!
NOTE: On the Android toolkit, the process doesn't work because when it flashes TWRP and it boots to recovery the toolkit says "Recovery mode not detected", and when I check device manager it shows SPH-L710 with a yellow ! mark, I've already installed the Samsung USB drivers, I tried Kies, and even the PDANet drivers, none work for the device when its in recovery mode.
Flash the latest philz recovery via Desktop Odin, it will ask you if you want to root the phone when you reboot it, tell it yes, then update superuser through the play store
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mattzeller said:
Flash the latest philz recovery via Desktop Odin, it will ask you if you want to root the phone when you reboot it, tell it yes, then update superuser through the play store
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Oh my god thank you so much, it worked like a gem! That should be the main root method, not CF-Auto-Root, that was a breeze AND gives you custom recovery!
If you could answer one more question for me that'd be great, I hate sounding so picky, and it's honestly no problem if there's no fix, I just have major OCD, when I boot to recovery and it shows the Cyanogenmod guy, is there anyway I can change/remove that? It bugs me cause I don't have CM or CWM so it seems very out of place.
Giston141 said:
when I boot to recovery and it shows the Cyanogenmod guy, is there anyway I can change/remove that? It bugs me cause I don't have CM or CWM so it seems very out of place.
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I don't think you can change it, unless you were compiling a version of it yourself, but you would need to ask the dev for philz about how to go about that.
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mattzeller said:
I don't think you can change it, unless you were compiling a version of it yourself, but you would need to ask the dev for philz about how to go about that.
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It's not a Philz thing tho, no matter what custom recovery you have, CWM, Philz, TWRP, it's always got the CM guy, Cid I think his name is? If you could change the boot screen you should be able to change that right?
Giston141 said:
It's not a Philz thing tho, no matter what custom recovery you have, CWM, Philz, TWRP, it's always got the CM guy, Cid I think his name is? If you could change the boot screen you should be able to change that right?
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No clue, I only see it when I boot into recovery, so I rarely see it
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