Sometimes I cannot understand people in any forums. Sure, we all should search first before create another thread. If someone asks a question that already been asked, Isn't it enough for one person to mention search before ask?
Not pointing a finger at anyone, but I cannot understand why multiple people in a thread always have to bring it up. More people tell search before ask and the original poster stating reasons why he/she couldn't bloating the thread all the time.
I didn't ask any questions and got offended by some one. I am ranting as I always see numerous people always tell any thread starters regarding this.
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People like to act as if they're in charge? No clue lol
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If someone asks a question that already been asked, Isn't it enough for one person to mention search before ask?
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Apparently not, because a few minutes later someone starts another new thread with another previously answered question.
Hawon said:
Not pointing a finger at anyone, but I cannot understand why multiple people in a thread always have to bring it up.
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Probably to hit the point home.
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Why not just answer the question, true story I went and searched for drivers and stuff my girlfriends touchpad, and the two first search results were topics that only included with a “go search" reply
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And yet you created a meaningless thread that is adding bloat to the nexus forum. The pot calling the kettle black?
Sent from rooted Jitterbug running ICS
Hawon said:
Sometimes I cannot understand people in any forums. Sure, we all should search first before create another thread. If someone asks a question that already been asked, Isn't it enough for one person to mention search before ask?
Not pointing a finger at anyone, but I cannot understand why multiple people in a thread always have to bring it up. More people tell search before ask and the original poster stating reasons why he/she couldn't bloating the thread all the time.
I didn't ask any questions and got offended by some one. I am ranting as I always see numerous people always tell any thread starters regarding this.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2
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at a certain future point, all questions would have been already asked, and every new thread thats started is already duplicated. in that case, all we would have here would be just people searching, and no real time one-on-one help. when this happens, xda will no longer have xda forums, all xda will have is xda frequently asked questions :silly:
There are plenty of threads about this already. Next time search before you post.
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The problem is many people don't have a cpu and rely on their phone to access the forums. Search in Tapatalk is inherently incredibly awful, so some slack should be given at times. That said, if someone has an issue, and has access to a PC, put the phone down :highfive:
What I want to know is, did you search previous rants before posting this one?
adrynalyne said:
What I want to know is, did you search previous rants before posting this one?
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Dont think so.. but can i start one
WHY DO PEOPLE QUOTE THE OP??? Its a given thats who your responding too.. unless of course the OP askes a series of questions
1. what is this
2. how do you do this
3. etc
You get my point !
dr.m0x said:
There are plenty of threads about this already. Next time search before you post.
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brilliant :highfive:
The problem I have with repetitive threads is that often times the question has been fully answered very detailed in a previous thread, and we can't answer it again with such detail and accuracy. So functionally, please refer to the previous thread where the question was answered thoroughly. I can't repeat my answers every time a screen burn in thread is posted. So please see my answer in earlier threads.
We want the community to be helpful and if all screen burn in info stayed in one thread its benefits everyone. Now apply that to most any topic. I just can't repeat my answers each time with the same level of detail and usefulness. Basically, its already been said better, so just refer to that thread.
CMNein said:
The problem is many people don't have a cpu and rely on their phone to access the forums. Search in Tapatalk is inherently incredibly awful, so some slack should be given at times. That said, if someone has an issue, and has access to a PC, put the phone down :highfive:
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So stop using Tapatalk. XDA forums on the Nexus work just fine in a browser. Tapatalk is a terrible application. Don't use terrible applications.
simms22 said:
at a certain future point, all questions would have been already asked, and every new thread thats started is already duplicated. in that case, all we would have here would be just people searching, and no real time one-on-one help. when this happens, xda will no longer have xda forums, all xda will have is xda frequently asked questions :silly:
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i dont think so, there are new devices coming out every month, and new ROMS and firmware updates by Google, so there will always be new developments and questions regarding those
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I think a lot of times people just feel their specific situation is different form others they've found, or they are just very confused and would like a new thread where they can explain their problem and hopefully someone will help them.
That's what I think about support type questions anyway. General knowledge type questions ("WILL WE GET ICS??") do tend to be annoying and could certainly be ignored.
I think if we learned to ignore a lot of those type of questions things would be better. Every type we reply the thread goes right back to the top, getting the attention of someone else who also feels the need to reply with the exact same message as the previous question. A mod could also post a link to the answer and just close the thread.
Other times you find something kind of what you are looking for, but the topic has over 100 pages, it's just honestly too much work trying to go through all of those pages. You read the first couple and then you read the last few and then there is a lot that you could have missed.
Finally a lot of us are just jerks, lets face it if we have the time to complain about someone not searching, we probably have the time to actually guide the person in the right direction. Some of us spend way too much time on these forums complaining about how we don't have time to do this or that.
JaiaV said:
So stop using Tapatalk. XDA forums on the Nexus work just fine in a browser. Tapatalk is a terrible application. Don't use terrible applications.
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I have a weakness for terrible things.
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First of all, I very rarely tend to just say something like "that was posted before, just search". I will usually say something like "if you would have searched, you would have found this link..."
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Other times you find something kind of what you are looking for, but the topic has over 100 pages, it's just honestly too much work trying to go through all of those pages. You read the first couple and then you read the last few and then there is a lot that you could have missed.
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That's all fine. But. There are those of us who actually did go through the entire thread because:
a) we knew that we are not special, and chances are if we were having an issue, someone else probably had it before us and someone posted the solution for it.
b) we are here because we enjoy learning about our devices and our OS's and, given that this is XDA-developers, not XDA-support-my-non-searching-ass, we kinda expect others to do the same.
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Finally a lot of us are just jerks, lets face it if we have the time to complain about someone not searching, we probably have the time to actually guide the person in the right direction. Some of us spend way too much time on these forums complaining about how we don't have time to do this or that.
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It's not about not having enough time: it's about coming to the realization that if you can search and post the answer, the person asking the question can easily to the same. It would probably help to phrase a question more like "i was looking for an answer for issue X, and I came up with Y. I am not sure if it fully applies in my situation. Any thoughts?" instead of "I haz issue X. Puuleez help!"
efrant said:
First of all, I very rarely tend to just say something like "that was posted before, just search". I will usually say something like "if you would have searched, you would have found this link..."
That's all fine. But. There are those of us who actually did go through the entire thread because:
a) we knew that we are not special, and chances are if we were having an issue, someone else probably had it before us and someone posted the solution for it.
b) we are here because we enjoy learning about our devices and our OS's and, given that this is XDA-developers, not XDA-support-my-non-searching-ass, we kinda expect others to do the same.
It's not about not having enough time: it's about coming to the realization that if you can search and post the answer, the person asking the question can easily to the same. It would probably help to phrase a question more like "i was looking for an answer for issue X, and I came up with Y. I am not sure if it fully applies in my situation. Any thoughts?" instead of "I haz issue X. Puuleez help!"
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My knowledge of search improved my vocabulary and reading skills.
Thanks XDA!!!:laugh:
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i dont think so, there are new devices coming out every month, and new ROMS and firmware updates by Google, so there will always be new developments and questions regarding those
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lol, i know. it was just sarcasm. but really, i dont mind the repetitive threads. people are people, some degree of laziness runs in all our genes. anyways, xda search isnt the best to find stuff. but, that said, google search works wonderfully. just about any kind of information can be found using google and the right search terms. personally, id rather find what information i need by myself. unfortunately, there are those people that like being told how and what to do, but its a good thing that a large number of those people use the iphone :victory:
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Everyone should check this thread, as it seems to be the general feeling I've seen all over xda lately. New members could learn something just by reading what is expected/accepted from xda forums.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=476671
Completly agree showaco
Let´s hope a lot of members can read that
wow thanks for pointing that out show, only read first page so far as it silly o'clock, the same goes for general questions as the more savy user has to see, repetative bull over and over, maybe it's time that XDA made some kind of enrolement first implented task how to use the search, then how to read more than the one page of a thread that the question asked could be covered 2 ~ 5 pages earlier, oh and make people fill out there signature with device info as i'm sure lots of members think we have the power of mind reading...
Oh and how not to quote the whole first post inc images when replying or asking that silly question.
Good morning all
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wow thanks for pointing that out show, only read first page so far as it silly o'clock, the same goes for general questions as the more savy user has to see, repetative bull over and over, maybe it's time that XDA made some kind of enrolement first implented task how to use the search, then how to read more than the one page of a thread that the question asked could be covered 2 ~ 5 pages earlier, oh and make people fill out there signature with device info as i'm sure lots of members think we have the power of mind reading...
Oh and how not to quote the whole first post inc images when replying or asking that silly question.
Good morning all
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Oh, my God, it's that Brit chiming in with his two cents (pence).
I flashed my phone with the stylezrickynrgkavanashowaco 3.14 and now my phone thinks it's a dessert and it's making my hands sticky. WTF?
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Oh, my God, it's that Brit chiming in with his two cents (pence).
I flashed my phone with the stylezrickynrgkavanashowaco 3.14 and now my phone thinks it's a dessert and it's making my hands sticky. WTF?
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I never wrote that....
As for the ROM you'll have to speak to show probably one of his morts.. JK
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wow thanks for pointing that out show, only read first page so far as it silly o'clock, the same goes for general questions as the more savy user has to see, repetative bull over and over, maybe it's time that XDA made some kind of enrolement first implented task how to use the search, then how to read more than the one page of a thread that the question asked could be covered 2 ~ 5 pages earlier, oh and make people fill out there signature with device info as i'm sure lots of members think we have the power of mind reading...
Oh and how not to quote the whole first post inc images when replying or asking that silly question.
Good morning all
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I agree with this, all I've been seeing lately are pointless threads made by newbs with a 1-10 post record that don't take the time to search and just want the people to give them the answers to all thier issues. I myself have found answers to some of them within a minute with our search feature, that if they would've used the search , they wouldn't needed to post dumb questions that they could've answer themselfs only if they took the time to seach and do a little reading.
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Oh, my God, it's that Brit chiming in with his two cents (pence).
I flashed my phone with the stylezrickynrgkavanashowaco 3.14 and now my phone thinks it's a dessert and it's making my hands sticky. WTF?
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I never wrote that....
As for the ROM you'll have to speak to show probably one of his morts.. JK
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Hey now, its not my fault that your phones can't run all the cool stuff and gets sticky when you watch your porn on wmp
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I agree with this, all I've been seeing lately are pointless threads made by newbs with a 1-10 post record that don't take the time to search and just want the people to give them the answers to all thier issues. I myself have found answers to some of them within a minute with our search feature, that if they would've used the search , they wouldn't needed to post dumb questions that they could've answer themselfs only if they took the time to seach and do a little reading.
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Exactly, but looking at response of this thread, I guess the 5 people posting in this thread are the only ones here in this forum that care whats going on. Which means the rest must be the enemy
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Hey now, its not my fault that your phones can't run all the cool stuff and gets sticky when you watch your porn on wmp
Exactly, but looking at response of this thread, I guess the 5 people posting in this thread are the only ones here in this forum that care whats going on. Which means the rest must be the enemy
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This thread ftw.
In all seriousness, there is a lot to be learned from the OP link. Flashing roms is easy and people who don't need to be doing it are. I'm no chef and, God forbid, I f-up my phone I know it's my fault.
Everyone should use caution. These roms are not put out to screw up your device but stupidity and an inability to follow directions to a T will. You do take your device into your own hands, literally and figuratively, when you do these kinds of modifications.
The rewards of a tweak gone right can only be equalled by the risks of the same tweak when done by inexperienced users.
HOLY SH**! I didn't mean to write a dissertation there.
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Exactly, but looking at response of this thread, I guess the 5 people posting in this thread are the only ones here in this forum that care whats going on. Which means the rest must be the enemy
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"It's all out War"
The first thing I found when I came on tonight was a new thread with a new member on his/her first post asking that just flashed 6.1 and can't add the sounds for text messages. Honestly, somehow they should block new members from creating new threads until they have at least a 50+ post score, that would make them use the SEARCH feature and get involved in ongoing threads instead of creating a thread with a question that it has been answered or its a working issue that other people are discussing on a different thread. I don't want to be a prick to new guys, cause I was there before, but I always took the time to use the most apparently elusive feature that is called SEARCH
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The first thing I found when I came on tonight was a new thread with a new member on his/her first post asking that just flashed 6.1 and can't add the sounds for text messages. Honestly, somehow they should block new members from creating new threads until they have at least a 50+ post score, that would make them use the SEARCH feature and get involved in ongoing threads instead of creating a thread with a question that it has been answered or its a working issue that other people are discussing on a different thread. I don't want to be a prick to new guys, cause I was there before, but I always took the time to use the most apparently elusive feature that is called SEARCH
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yeah I agree (postcount++)
edit: crap I'm only at 14 posts :-\
I don't agree with post count policy, 'cause I've seen some with almost no posts start a thread with some of the greatest/tools software for xda. We probably would have never gotten them if we had limited the authors til 50 posts. Someone had mentioned a rating, where a post/thread could be deleted by a certain number of members voting a rating against it. Sadly, in the end, there is probably nothing we can do to stop the stupid posts and still keep the possibility of a great "noob" post that we need.
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I don't agree with post count policy, 'cause I've seen some with almost no posts start a thread with some of the greatest/tools software for xda. We probably would have never gotten them if we had limited the authors til 50 posts. Someone had mentioned a rating, where a post/thread could be deleted by a certain number of members voting a rating against it. Sadly, in the end, there is probably nothing we can do to stop the stupid posts and still keep the possibility of a great "noob" post that we need.
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That's fine, the post count thing was just an idea, we just need to figure out a way to encourage new people to search , and ask questions .
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That's fine, the post count thing was just an idea, we just need to figure out a way to encourage new people to search , and ask questions .
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Naked chicks on the search page... TWEAKED
Oh and another rank "The Cleaners"
stylez said:
Naked chicks on the search page... TWEAKED
Oh and another rank "The Cleaners"
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Yeahh I love naked chicks maybe some boobage on the search feature, (touch here newbes)
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Yeahh I love naked chicks maybe some boobage on the search feature, (touch here newbes)
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I'm pretty sure we'd all still be noobs if there were boobs involved.
Boobs 4 Noobs @ XDA-Developers FTMFW!!!
w00t!
We must've been the only ones that care about this issue cause out of 254 views only 6 people cared enough to post and talk about it. That's sad
Oh well, at least we know some of us care.
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We must've been the only ones that care about this issue cause out of 254 views only 6 people cared enough to post and talk about it. That's sad
Oh well, at least we know some of us care.
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I care, roloracer, I care. *tear*
Seriously though, the board is rife with posts like "I just flashed (xx.xx) and now my keyboard buttons dont work right." or "Can I use this on my i880?" or "I REEELY NEED TO FOR HAVE SOMEONE UNLOCK MY DASHES SO THAT I CAN USE IT ON THE (non t-mobile) NETWORK?"
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I care, roloracer, I care. *tear*
Seriously though, the board is rife with posts like "I just flashed (xx.xx) and now my keyboard buttons dont work right." or "Can I use this on my i880?" or "I REEELY NEED TO FOR HAVE SOMEONE UNLOCK MY DASHES SO THAT I CAN USE IT ON THE (non t-mobile) NETWORK?"
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Yes it's a mess of idiosyncratic posts, how lazy can people be???
Oh peeps are just unbelievable like that locking thread i posted i could unlock Dash with a pic of a lighter, well guess what the PM's came a rollin...
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Where is that thread we used to put the numptys?
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PMSL,TISFSMF
(pissed myself laughing, that is some funny sh1t mother ****er)
"Welcome to xda-developers
...the largest Internet community of smartphone enthusiasts and developers for the Android and Windows Mobile platforms. Visit the world famous XDA Forums or continue to browse our portal."
The above is copied directly from the xda home page. There are several words in there that misled me. "Welcome", "community", and "enthusiasts". I took those words to mean that any and all comments and questions would be welcome and answered by those who had more information than the "noobs" of which I am one. Unfortunately, I have found that not to be the case. I have posted several questions and the only answer I have gotten was less than friendly. I'm aware that IF anyone reads this, it will be dismissed as whining, or possibly removed by the xda people. I have read lots of unfriendly replies to questions by people who are trying to learn about their phones, whether it's basic features or more advanced development. Apparently, the people who know how to root, flash ROMs, overclock, and so on, have either forgotten or don't care that at one time, they didn't know anything either. Some of them probably figured it out for themselves, and some of them got help from others. But now that they are no longer noobs, they are condescending and sometimes downright rude to the new noobs. I was hoping to learn some things, possibly make some connections, and share the things I learn with the people who are just starting out. It looks like I'm going to have to figure this stuff out on my own. When I do, rather than be rude and dismissive, I will make every effort to help others and share what I've learned. But it will have to be somewhere other than xda because that doesn't happen much around here.
I totaly disagree.
1st .I did check all your seven posts and in none of them ive found any rude comment.
2nd . I was able to search for your posts title subject and ive found many other threads open, my suggestion for been not ignored is to use the opened threads instead to open a new one.
3rd. XDA is the share knowledge place, you will not find another forum like this,many people share everything all the days,there is not a magic button that say "lemme learn" ,just take the time to search,read 1st post( they always have the answers),read the other people comments and you will be able to do what you need............this is only what we have done from the begin
I appreciate your reply. The main reason you didn't find any rude responses is because there were no responses period. I'm not trying to find a magic "lemme learn" button but what good is it to post questions if nobody answers? I searched the threads before I posted and didn't find the answer to my question. By the way, if you searched all my posts, did you answer any of them?
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I appreciate your reply. The main reason you didn't find any rude responses is because there were no responses period. I'm not trying to find a magic "lemme learn" button but what good is it to post questions if nobody answers? I searched the threads before I posted and didn't find the answer to my question. By the way, if you searched all my posts, did you answer any of them?
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Looks like you posted your questions in Q&A global.
Try posting in general or Q&A for your device itself. Very few people post in general Q&A, but you should get an answer in the device area.
Remember though that your post won't be guaranteed to get an immediate reply, and nobody is obliged to answer anything.
Searching here might help, as will reading all the stickies in the device forum.
Also remember not everyone doesn't have the device you have, so bear that in mind given where you posted.
I'm not gonna beat about the bush here...
By the way, if you searched all my posts, did you answer any of them?
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does seem a bit rude to me, being perfectly frank. Remember XDA covers many dozens of devices, and most people only know 1 or 2 that they own.
Most people get "flamed" for posting in the wrong forum. Don't post questions in development, of any shape or form. Development is for those making or developing ROMs. If you stick to this, and post in your device's Q&A or general forum, you might have more luck.
FWIW you don't really sound like someone who wants to join a community, you just sound like some dude who wants someone to help them. Which is ok, but sometimes you have to be patient.
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I can't be bothered to learn about the community or where to even post, But I expect everyone to jump to and respond to my questions, or I'll accuse everyone of being rude, Cause everyone should immediately drop what they are doing and respond to my problems that I admit I know the answer to IN MY OWN POST. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=844908 (halfway through when I say that I got my answer already on cyanogen) Can I get some cheese with my whine please?
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You answer yor own question and then have a meltdown over no one answering you? go get help.
We have a saying on my country:
"cada quien habla de como le va en la feria"
Means that each person speaks about their own personal experience, which in all cases is not same as anybody else.
I have found an immense great friendly community here @XDA, yes! we are both talking about the same place!, I´m sorry to hear your bad experience here on your very short life.
As in any country, class room, world, group you´ll find nice and not nice members, you just have to select with which ones you have stuff in common and fell ok with them and avoid does who not.
I invite you to be an active long time member and I am sure with some time your thinking will change
Hope to have this conversation in a couple of years and both laughing about this thread
orb3000 said:
We have a saying on my country:
"cada quien habla de como le va en la feria"
Means that each person speaks about their own personal experience, which in all cases is not same as anybody else.
I have found an immense great friendly community here @XDA, yes! we are both talking about the same place!, I´m sorry to hear your bad experience here on your very short life.
As in any country, class room, world, group you´ll find nice and not nice members, you just have to select with which ones you have stuff in common and fell ok with them and avoid does who not.
I invite you to be an active long time member and I am sure with some time your thinking will change
Hope to have this conversation in a couple of years and both laughing about this thread
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Well put Orb
For me, the only negative about being here has been the scamming and fraudulent stuff going on within the Marketplace
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For me, the only negative about being here has been the scamming and fraudulent stuff going on within the Marketplace
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That's true, but the community itself cannot be judged on the basis of these jerks.
I haven't been here for that long and people have treated me with respect. I'm no noob to this stuff, but I can say that there are a lot of things I don't know. Even in the ROM threads with hundreds (sometimes thousands) of pages of rapid-fire posting, I still have people answer my question without calling me a "noob" or "newfag".
I'm a moderator on another fairly [but not THIS] large forum and, while I like to think that we are another go-to site for what we deal with, it's not as respectful or decent as XDA is. Senior members always flame new members, even if they answer their questions. Here, there a TON of active members whereas on other forums people join then leave out of frustration because everyone wants to be a jerk.
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I treat everyone here with respect, and I'm sure many other members do to, Although if they are being talked to in a rude fashion I'm sure they won't be happy to respond. If you find a reply which is in anyway offensive or rude, perhaps use the report button.
Guyz..He'z a newbie over here...Let him spend some time,become a senior member and then ask him to return here...I am sure the perspective with which he views at XDA now will change after he spends a considerable amount of time...Its all about experience and respect...Give respect,take respect..And remember,Read Forum Rules!!!Trying to give rules a priority
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I appreciate your reply. The main reason you didn't find any rude responses is because there were no responses period. I'm not trying to find a magic "lemme learn" button but what good is it to post questions if nobody answers? I searched the threads before I posted and didn't find the answer to my question. By the way, if you searched all my posts, did you answer any of them?
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It's the same deal on most forums... Users are expected to search for threads relating to their questions. If someone creates an account and is too lazy to search and read a lot, i puts people off... Why? Because there are already probably 5 threads covering every subject you could think of. It really clutters up the forum and makes it harder to find legit answers when you are searching for one.
I'm not saying that there aren't dicks on this forum, because I'm sure there are, but I haven't really run across anyone that was over the line... I mean, this is the internet where anyone can be a bad ass. I've seen way worse on other forums. Check out some of the iphone forums and you will see lots of ****ty replies.
If you get a reply, "Use the search" they aren't really being a ****. They are trying to keep the forums clean.
Bottom line, don't sweat it, this is the internet. One thing to learn about forums on the web is that you can't actually get pissed at someone on the internet. They don't know you and you don't know them. It's a completely different experience than the real world. Just be happy there is a resource like XDA on the web to help you nerd out on your sweet phone. And read a lot, because the information is probably already here.
Once you have done your reading and you still haven't found your issue, then post. No one is going to call you out if the answer isn't on this forum... And if by chance you missed a thread and someone does, let them know you read and didn't find it, then brush it off.
In regards to not getting answers to your questions, well, it happens. Everyone doesn't have time to answer everyone's inquiries, so you have to be real patient. It also doesn't hurt to do a google search because XDA isn't the only place on the web to find answers.
It also helps to post in the correct forum. Best way to do this is to find your phone in the search at the top and then search the forum specific to your phone. That's where people that know about your phone reside and where you will most likely get a reply.
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For me, the only negative about being here has been the scamming and fraudulent stuff going on within the Marketplace
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Woah.. really? Example please for future reference... I hope I haven't ran into any of that
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That's true, but the community itself cannot be judged on the basis of these jerks.
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Come and get it.
People are quite polite here, but thee is one thing. World hates to answer already answered questions. Sometimes we see 3-4 people asking the same question. You know, we answer once, twice... on the third time someone says "Use search " or something like that.
Good idea is to scout the forum for 3-4 days, to see what is going on, what has been already done and what is certainly not being mentioned. And yes, search is your friend.
I have been here a while (though with not many posts under my belt) and I do not really see many rude posts nor a anti-noob atmosphere.
I hate to admit that this, but I take more from XDA than I leave.
Dan
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"Welcome to xda-developers
...the largest Internet community of smartphone enthusiasts and developers for the Android and Windows Mobile platforms. Visit the world famous XDA Forums or continue to browse our portal."
The above is copied directly from the xda home page. There are several words in there that misled me. "Welcome", "community", and "enthusiasts". I took those words to mean that any and all comments and questions would be welcome and answered by those who had more information than the "noobs" of which I am one. Unfortunately, I have found that not to be the case. I have posted several questions and the only answer I have gotten was less than friendly. I'm aware that IF anyone reads this, it will be dismissed as whining, or possibly removed by the xda people. I have read lots of unfriendly replies to questions by people who are trying to learn about their phones, whether it's basic features or more advanced development. Apparently, the people who know how to root, flash ROMs, overclock, and so on, have either forgotten or don't care that at one time, they didn't know anything either. Some of them probably figured it out for themselves, and some of them got help from others. But now that they are no longer noobs, they are condescending and sometimes downright rude to the new noobs. I was hoping to learn some things, possibly make some connections, and share the things I learn with the people who are just starting out. It looks like I'm going to have to figure this stuff out on my own. When I do, rather than be rude and dismissive, I will make every effort to help others and share what I've learned. But it will have to be somewhere other than xda because that doesn't happen much around here.
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It is just funny that somebody would come in here and say this with just 8 posts. Also, his first post was on Nov 15th and then he posted the above on Nov 19th so he had a total of 5 days of XDA and he is bashing it??? Not cool.
OP around and online but not a single reply from him...
I have received help here at XDA, cannot compare to any other forums that I know of. You need to go to the right places and read stickies and google before you ask, that's how I don't look like a noob... my secret is out, darn!
Any young enterprising whippersnapper figure out a way to root the 2.3.4 OTA update?
Not yet, but believe me, someone will figure a way to do it.
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dude, i check these forums 3 times a day to see if a root solution has been developed, or even any information that "we" could follow just to for the thrill of seeing it to fruition.
it would hurt no one if you would kindly refrain making pointless posts. you've had your day in the sunshine, now it would be nice if you have no umbrella to offer us from the rain, to not say anything if you have nothing constructive to add to the conversation.
kindly take this is context, i do not mean this in a hurtful way.
regards,
asmd.
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dude, i check these forums 3 times a day to see if a root solution has been developed, or even any information that "we" could follow just to for the thrill of seeing it to fruition.
it would hurt no one if you would kindly refrain making pointless posts. you've had your day in the sunshine, now it would be nice if you have no umbrella to offer us from the rain, to not say anything if you have nothing constructive to add to the conversation.
kindly take this is context, i do not mean this in a hurtful way.
regards,
asmd.
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The problem is, this has been talked about in at least 40 threads in the past week. There was no need for this person to make a new thread. If he/she actually took maybe 30 seconds to do a search, or browse the first few pages of the forum, they would have found their answer more than once.
And trust me, when a root solution is found, everyone will know about it. There will be stickies and large threads.
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The problem is, this has been talked about in at least 40 threads in the past week. There was no need for this person to make a new thread. If he/she actually took maybe 30 seconds to do a search, or browse the first few pages of the forum, they would have found their answer more than once.
And trust me, when a root solution is found, everyone will know about it. There will be stickies and large threads.
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I agree I'm sick of all the new threads. If people would take ten seconds to search they would get an answer
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at this point, someone would not even need to use the search function. they would just literally have to read a few subject titles, then click something and read that. effortless, what with all the excessive threads on this very subject. no excuses.
sitlet said:
The problem is, this has been talked about in at least 40 threads in the past week. There was no need for this person to make a new thread. If he/she actually took maybe 30 seconds to do a search, or browse the first few pages of the forum, they would have found their answer more than once.
And trust me, when a root solution is found, everyone will know about it. There will be stickies and large threads.
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I search, and I get bull**** replies like yours. Even "official" ROM threads have SO MUCH signal to noise ratio that they're more than useless. Five decent posts in a sea of 100+ PAGES of garbage.
This is a Q&A forum, I asked a Q, you provided no A. If it bothers you, don't hang out in this forum, and don't go into threads you know will get your hackles up. It's your own damned fault you came in this thread and chose to get all stick-in-the-butt. Could've sailed right on by and head a wonderful afternoon. That seems to be 90% of your posts anyhow, just complaining about other people's posts or stupidity. Seriously - take up knitting or something.
So yeah, I've read about Gingerbreak (the guy behind the Unrevoked exploit), and how it might provide temp root on 2.3.4, but nobody's had real luck with it yet. I'm hoping to get a lead on someone working on it instead a sea of people, like yourself, saying "the magic people will, some moment soon."
I'm not ignorant, I do my own legwork and search the internet, not just here where there's very little great info in a sea of noise - and any decent posts are lost.
I agree with you 99.9%. Trying to find helpful info in these forums can be next to impossible without spending your whole night browsing or using search and still getting 16 topics of useless info.
My other 0.01% says if there was root the whole world would know. I had just humped on to look for the same info. Now I'm glad you asked and not me.
I do wish people would just keep quiet if they have no useful info to share.
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Don't mean to be harsh, but I can guarantee you when a root method is found, you will know. It will be the top post in the dev section. People will be throwing virtual confetti. So if all you see are questions about whether or not there is a root, there's no root method.
It's hard to wait. I remember doing that with 3.70.xxx. It took a few weeks.
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bigmoogle said:
Don't mean to be harsh, but I can guarantee you when a root method is found, you will know. It will be the top post in the dev section. People will be throwing virtual confetti. So if all you see are questions about whether or not there is a root, there's no root method.
It's hard to wait. I remember doing that with 3.70.xxx. It took a few weeks.
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It took three months
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Mine has been rooted since the week after release day. I have a friend who took the update then decided he wanted me to root his phone so I've been watching the forums pretty heavy since. I had no idea how long to tell him to wait since I've never had to myself. I kinda feel bad cause I told him to take the update since he never showed interest in rooting...oops.
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Mine has been rooted since the week after release day. I have a friend who took the update then decided he wanted me to root his phone so I've been watching the forums pretty heavy since. I had no idea how long to tell him to wait since I've never had to myself. I kinda feel bad cause I told him to take the update since he never showed interest in rooting...oops.
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they should have a way to root it soon
There's a 2.3.4 OTA update? That's pretty quick, considering that 2.3.3 was just released last week.
With new OTA's come new morons..... Its easily been on the top of every page on XDA and easily searchable...
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There's a 2.3.4 OTA update? That's pretty quick, considering that 2.3.3 was just released last week.
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lol
10 chars....
Wifflepig said:
I search, and I get bull**** replies like yours. Even "official" ROM threads have SO MUCH signal to noise ratio that they're more than useless. Five decent posts in a sea of 100+ PAGES of garbage.
This is a Q&A forum, I asked a Q, you provided no A. If it bothers you, don't hang out in this forum, and don't go into threads you know will get your hackles up. It's your own damned fault you came in this thread and chose to get all stick-in-the-butt. Could've sailed right on by and head a wonderful afternoon. That seems to be 90% of your posts anyhow, just complaining about other people's posts or stupidity. Seriously - take up knitting or something.
So yeah, I've read about Gingerbreak (the guy behind the Unrevoked exploit), and how it might provide temp root on 2.3.4, but nobody's had real luck with it yet. I'm hoping to get a lead on someone working on it instead a sea of people, like yourself, saying "the magic people will, some moment soon."
I'm not ignorant, I do my own legwork and search the internet, not just here where there's very little great info in a sea of noise - and any decent posts are lost.
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The point is that you don't HAVE to search. FIVE thgreads on page one of this section are the same thing; IS there a root method yet??
Reading the forum topic headlines would provide a lot of insight.....
But I'm curious too if the Unrevoked guys are talking about it in IRC or anything.
(I forgot their IRC channel)
HipKat said:
The point is that you don't HAVE to search. FIVE thgreads on page one of this section are the same thing; IS there a root method yet??
Reading the forum topic headlines would provide a lot of insight.....
But I'm curious too if the Unrevoked guys are talking about it in IRC or anything.
(I forgot their IRC channel)
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I could be wrong but I believe it is still
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OK so here is a pressure relief thread... While many of you are becoming disenchanted with the way the development threads are running... Yes I am talking about the DEVELOPMENT THREADS! Please indicate the following
What do you think they are (development threads)?
How do you think they should be run?
Do you feel that Modding is not needed? If not/If so why?
What would you change if you could be top of this list for a day Please realize this list is very short..
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Please do not make this personal, act like grown-ups and be constructive
I think more, many more, mods are needed for each forum. It's difficult got one, or two or three, people to effectively "police" one forum. Last i checked, there were over/about 3 million users on xda. How many mods are there?
And people not using search.
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I think more, many more, mods are needed for each forum. It's difficult got one, or two or three, people to effectively "police" one forum. Last i checked, there were over/about 3 million users on xda. How many mods are there?
And people not using search.
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10 oh wait 9, Red5 is gone
Overall, there's only 9 mods for the whole site, or just in S3 forum?
mrhaley30705 said:
Overall, there's only 9 mods for the whole site, or just in S3 forum?
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And those 9 are busy busy busy. I don't understand why people keep posting EVERYTHING thsy want in development threads
What ever happened to RED?
jasvncnt1 said:
What ever happened to RED?
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Red has taken personal time. Family, health and work are keeping him very occupied
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And those 9 are busy busy busy. I don't understand why people keep posting EVERYTHING thsy want in development threads
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Because they feel ENTITLED to do whatever they want to do. Because its a public forum. Its a new generation of users who don't quite understand just how important the developer title is in xda developers.
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Red has taken personal time. Family, health and work are keeping him very occupied
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thanks, Didnt know that. Hope all is well with him
brorex said:
Because they feel ENTITLED to do whatever they want to do. Because its a public forum. Its a new generation of users who don't quite understand just how important the developer title is in xda developers.
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hey man thanks for your 2 cents Can you please bring your disdain to WebOS and see how they feel about that! LOL
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OK so here is a pressure relief thread... While many of you are becoming disenchanted with the way the development threads are running... Yes I am talking about the DEVELOPMENT THREADS! Please indicate the following
What do you think they are (development threads)?
How do you think they should be run?
Do you feel that Modding is not needed? If not/If so why?
What would you change if you could be top of this list for a day Please realize this list is very short..
It's simply used
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Please do not make this personal, act like grown-ups and be constructive
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I think development threads should be a place to discuss development issues such as bugs, possible wish lists, explanation of why things work certain ways, etc. I think that Q&A's should be reserved for just commonly asked questions.
In a perfect world a dev thread would be a place where guys could joke and cut up and still get work done. The problem with that however is that we want people to read threads so they don't ask/re-ask "stupid or non-dev related" questions, yet sometimes there is so much joking around in a thread that you can go 3-4 pages no problem without reading a single thing relevant to the ROM. Why would someone new to the scene want to read and find a golden nugget of information if that requires wading through nonsense? You can say "use the search function!!!!?!?!?*" but let's be honest, if you don't search the right thing you won't find what you are looking for. If you don't know the correct name of your problem, you can't search for your problem, so when you ask questions guys say "Why don't you search" or "Why don't you read" and the answer is, because I'm new and can't read through all the bull in the thread.
I'm all for people having a good time but it's frustrating when you get home from work and you see there are 20 new pages in a thread and there could be a few important posts but to find them you have to read through nonsense.
Just my 2 cents. I love XDA and regardless how it's run the community is great, the Devs are top notch both programming wise and character wise in my experience, but I do get frustrated when I'm tweaking a $600 phone and I can't find necessary information because 20 people keep replying to the same old questions with "Go search you noob-loser!"
Probably a very dumb newbie question, but - I haven't been able to determine/discern the distinction between the Android Development and the Original Android Development threads. Could someone please clue me in?
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The android development thread is usually devoted to people who are hacking or tweaking the stock rom that came with the phone. The original android development thread is a place where people discuss roms being developed based off of the original android source code AOSP/AOKP (such as cm9 or cm10 or putting out custom kernels.
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Probably a very dumb newbie question, but - I haven't been able to determine/discern the distinction between the Android Development and the Original Android Development threads. Could someone please clue me in?
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In very general terms, Original Android Development is for 'Original' development. New roms, kernels, mods and such. Android Development could simply be a port of an existing rom or kernel to run on our device. It very probably has been, or is being used elsewhere and someone has made some changes to allow it to be used on our device.
Hope this helps some. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1762948
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Because they feel ENTITLED to do whatever they want to do. Because its a public forum. Its a new generation of users who don't quite understand just how important the developer title is in xda developers.
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Actually a really good point. 2, even 1 year ago there were a lot less people using android phones, even less hacking and modding. And now, especially with the S3 (and others), there has been a flood of new 'techies' that want the fastest, coolest phone on the planet. It probably boils down to an appreciation (or lack there of) of what it takes to make all that happen. Many are new to XDA and, just like this generation is prone to do, want to skip right to the end of the book, without reading the story first. I'm sorry, maybe I should say, "fast forward to the end of the movie, without watching the plot". Maybe we should have them run thru a XDA tutorial first before they're allowed posting priviledges or something. :silly: Just my 2 cents...
As a developer (not on xda) I fully understand the time and work the great developers put in, and as an android user I am very gracious. Not sure if its just me but my experience dealing with bug reporting and asking for help in development threads has not been easy. Mainly if the issue has already been addressed you always get flamed for not searching before you post. Its like some developers would rather argue for 3 pages to satisfy their ego than just answer a simple question.
Still apart from dealing with egos, its well worth it for the service they provide.
hey guys that have posted here, send the disgruntled user here. I know most of you that have posted so far and we tend to all be like minded. I really want to hear from the folks that aren't in the same frame of mind. I am interested in how they tick. What are their thoughts on this matter.
Tomween1,
Here is my issue. I have been an xda member for a few years now and I have never seen as much trolling and s#!t talking as I have seen here in the s3 forum. When I joined people here were helpful and every time someone helped me with a problem I intern helped the next person with a similar problem. But everything has gone down the drain over the last year or so.
now here are my concerns...
First.... The addition of a second development thread for just cm and AOKP is pointless in my opinion.
Second... If you have a ROM running on your phone... ie... Cyanogenmod CM10.... Then all discussion of bugs and flaws and features specific to that rom should be discussed in that thread. The search tool should be used before a new post and as much information should be provided to help dev duplicate and resolve problem
Third.... If the Rom is not installed.... You don't know how to install it.... Or you wonder how the battery life is or how one rom is compared to the other.... Then go to general or q&a
Finally.... Show some f#@*in respect. It doesn't matter if you are a dev or not.... You chose to develop for a phone.... You chose to post it on xda... You agreed to abide by xda rules which means show members respect.... Even if they are a noob who asked a dumb question in the wrong forums.
Moderators shouldn't be deleting as many posts as you guys are.... It's borderline pointless and it's censorship.
If you made a ROM be respectful to your fans... And if you don't want to answer questions then let other members answer people...
Good examples of threads were the devs are respectful and mods have to work less are Caulkins threads cyanogens threads... Worst example of needless hostility and over moderating is Tasks AOKP thread
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Also a more useful approach would be to have all ROMS & KERNELS in one development thread and all mods / hacks / feature ports in a separate dev thread...
I think one of the main reasons devs get frustrated and its been mentioned many times, dev forums are not the place to learn or expect handouts. The handout is givin with the ROM. Now its up to the end user to learn how to use it, search out problems and try to solve things themselves. Everyone is worried about thier new 600 dollar toy but not many noobs take the time to learn what they are actually doin to their phone. The dev forums are not the place to learn. The dev forums are a place to get the latest greatest and reply with "heres my problem, here's my log cat" after searching for an answer. It seems pretty simple to me. Although not a dev it would piss me off also to clearly state in an op that your phone won't do the dishes, then have 6 or 8 people say that you ruined their phone cause they threw it in a sink of water. As far as letting other people answer the questions, that's the reason for the q and a threads, to let the community help itself. No one should be posting in the dev forum without a logcat.
My two cents, take it or leave it doesn't matter.
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I think one of the main reasons devs get frustrated and its been mentioned many times, dev forums are not the place to learn or expect handouts. The handout is givin with the ROM. Now its up to the end user to learn how to use it, search out problems and try to solve things themselves. Everyone is worried about thier new 600 dollar toy but not many noobs take the time to learn what they are actually doin to their phone. The dev forums are not the place to learn. The dev forums are a place to get the latest greatest and reply with "heres my problem, here's my log cat" after searching for an answer. It seems pretty simple to me. Although not a dev it would piss me off also to clearly state in an op that your phone won't do the dishes, then have 6 or 8 people say that you ruined their phone cause they threw it in a sink of water. As far as letting other people answer the questions, that's the reason for the q and a threads, to let the community help itself. No one should be posting in the dev forum without a logcat.
My two cents, take it or leave it doesn't matter.
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That is the problem - people who are posting here are being told to go F*%$ off instead of being asked to provide a logcat or provide details. Also alot of Devs in s3 forums are not providing complete bug lists in the OP and if they did they are not keeping it updated so when a noob or someone new to the rom comes to check they cant find the info and ask dumb questions.
I've been in the XDA community for 6 years now, and I've seen a TON of changes here. What I now see the moderators trying to do is add a little bit of order to the madness. The dev threads were specifically designed(and ALWAYS have been) for Development and development issues only, not even about wish lists. When a developer has to pour through pages and pages of "I wish the ROM had this, or how do I install this ROM, or why does my (fill in the blank), not work". It get very frustrating to find posts from people, who are posting real issues that affect the actual development of the ROM.
It is suppose to be the place that the guy/gals who are putting their time into these ROM's that we get for free, get the feedback from us, the endusers, to actually make the ROM's better. When we clutter the thread with jibberish, we're making it harder for them to get to those real issues, and are disrespecting them and the time they invest, and in the end, we're only shooting ourselves in the foot
While I was on the AT&T Captivate, we had a similar structure of the Dev thread, and a Q&A thread for most of the available ROM's, some of the dev's didn't seem to mind answering all of those questions, but the Q&A still existed, and they all seemed to be very successful. They were very lax and the topics could got entirely off topic, they seemed to be more of the "social hangout" type of thing. Take a look: http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=746
With the incredible popularity of the SGSIII in all of the variants, there are bound to be tons's of ROM's that will crop up for JB. I believe it's that much more important to try to create some sort of structure for the 4Million + XDA mambers
I've been around for a little while. I'm not a Dev, Themer, Moderator, Recognized Contributer or anything like that. At best I'm a tester for a great team called Team Venum.
I love this hobby, XDA, and most guys here. This is a great getaway for me from real life. Ya know......my crappy job, bills, yada yada yada.
Here is the thing. These threads that I read everyday. Something that I've always done and continue to do is ignore the BS. The trolls that come in looking for attention. The noobs that ask questions before reading. The guys that have been around for a while and don't read/research before posting in a thread. I ignore it. Move on.
Let's say a guy comes in your favorite thread and asks a question thats been answered a hundred times. So we then call him a di#k and say why don't you read? He then says the thread is 59 pgs and it's too much. Then he takes offense for being called a di#k and lashes back. Then a cpl other guys join in the flaming. Four pages later we need a Mod to come in and smack our hands with a ruler.
Why not just ignore it? Ignore the trolls. Maybe if we ignore the noobs they will take it upon themselves to read and research and find the answer on their own.
I hate seeing threads closed. Mods having to come in and clean threads. Devs getting pissed and moving somewhere else or just keeping their work to themselves because their sick of the drama.
It just seems so simple to me......The next time you see a post by a troll or someone who doesn't take the time to read and research on there own. Then ask a question in the thread to either provoke or just out of laziness.......... how about we just say this......................
Nothing
FAQ per user request.
1.''Can I respond to the OP and thank him repeatedly?''
I believe so.
2.''Is a full wipe required or can I just dirty flash?''
YEP!!
3. ''Is this a ROM?''
Nope
4.''Is the OP a DEV?''
Not yet.
Well said
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Not everybody knows how disgusted you guys are at every question. Nothing wrong with helping ... most people are new so forgive them. The truth is solutions for problems change very often even within the same thread.
Every rom has unique solutions for the same problems.
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i agree i would much rather give them the awnser then have them start an other thread asking about it and another noob replying with the wrong awnser , lots of updates and its true with all the pages on cirtian threads it makes it verry hard to find a link or wordign that will help in that pirticular situation , myself i would rather respond and help others out , i kno how frusterating it can be to try and do something when there is no awnser to be found even after searching over and over , sometimes just cant locate the information.
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i agree i would much rather give them the awnser then have them start an other thread asking about it and another noob replying with the wrong awnser , lots of updates and its true with all the pages on cirtian threads it makes it verry hard to find a link or wordign that will help in that pirticular situation , myself i would rather respond and help others out , i kno how frusterating it can be to try and do something when there is no awnser to be found even after searching over and over , sometimes just cant locate the information.
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Please don't get me wrong guys......... I always help when I can, I think I got a pretty decent ''Thank you'' count going. IDK, I'm usually always mobile. I'm just pointing out the frustrating parts of a thread. I would just like to see some guys move on instead of lashing out if there frustrated at seeing a question asked repeatedly.
It just adds to the flaming.
Some of this could be relieved if people actually updated their first post with relevant information.
I did it for my 90+ page Jelly Bean thread and had NONE of this.
Actually, wait, it happened once. I told him the answer and then said "check the first post, mate." Never happened again.
Most problems would be fixed if the free XDA app had a search option. Just saying. Plus the search doesn't work with the browser.
But I do completely get what the OP is saying. But then again patience and understanding also goes a long way.
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Okay I don't normally speak on these types of topics but now I will.
I completely agree and understand. Noobs will be noobs. Heck I am still one.
I started off with a Samsung Infuse, read and read and read and read and READ to learn how to root the dang thing and keep it from bricking. I never flashed something without reading. And I never flashed as soon as something got released!!! Maybe it's just commonsense, or maybe it's the fact that I am intuitive and have been ever since the age of 8 when I built my first PC from scratch. But a lot of it has to do with READING!!! Noobs don't like to READ because they want to know and they want to know NOW. That's the major problem.
I see people saying things about Task and how he is rude. Honestly, I don't think he is because it clearly states in his OP follow the instructions carefully and READ.
Just my $2. I'm not *****in'!
How do i root my GS3?
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TKG26 said:
How do i root my GS3?
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I sincerely hope this is a joke.....
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Of course...
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caspersfi said:
I've been around for a little while. I'm not a Dev, Themer, Moderator, Recognized Contributer or anything like that. At best I'm a tester for a great team called Team Venum.
I love this hobby, XDA, and most guys here. This is a great getaway for me from real life. Ya know......my crappy job, bills, yada yada yada.
Here is the thing. These threads that I read everyday. Something that I've always done and continue to do is ignore the BS. The trolls that come in looking for attention. The noobs that ask questions before reading. The guys that have been around for a while and don't read/research before posting in a thread. I ignore it. Move on.
Let's say a guy comes in your favorite thread and asks a question thats been answered a hundred times. So we then call him a di#k and say why don't you read? He then says the thread is 59 pgs and it's too much. Then he takes offense for being called a di#k and lashes back. Then a cpl other guys join in the flaming. Four pages later we need a Mod to come in and smack our hands with a ruler.
Why not just ignore it? Ignore the trolls. Maybe if we ignore the noobs they will take it upon themselves to read and research and find the answer on their own.
I hate seeing threads closed. Mods having to come in and clean threads. Devs getting pissed and moving somewhere else or just keeping their work to themselves because their sick of the drama.
It just seems so simple to me......The next time you see a post by a troll or someone who doesn't take the time to read and research on there own. Then ask a question in the thread to either provoke or just out of laziness just do this......................
Nothing
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Good post caspersfi.
I agree with just about all of it...... but I personally when someone asks a question I just answer in polite words, even if its already posted. Some people just don't get and need to be pretty much spoon fed. I work at a front desk of a pet hospital and I get some pretty dumb questions from the public since its in a Petsmart. They look for you as the experts and as a resource. They same can be looked at like xda. I was raised in a family to help people no matter the situation before yourself. People honestly need to respect each other and flaming other people wouldnt happen.
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caspersfi said:
I've been around for a little while. I'm not a Dev, Themer, Moderator, Recognized Contributer or anything like that. At best I'm a tester for a great team called Team Venum.
I love this hobby, XDA, and most guys here. This is a great getaway for me from real life. Ya know......my crappy job, bills, yada yada yada.
Here is the thing. These threads that I read everyday. Something that I've always done and continue to do is ignore the BS. The trolls that come in looking for attention. The noobs that ask questions before reading. The guys that have been around for a while and don't read/research before posting in a thread. I ignore it. Move on.
Let's say a guy comes in your favorite thread and asks a question thats been answered a hundred times. So we then call him a di#k and say why don't you read? He then says the thread is 59 pgs and it's too much. Then he takes offense for being called a di#k and lashes back. Then a cpl other guys join in the flaming. Four pages later we need a Mod to come in and smack our hands with a ruler.
Why not just ignore it? Ignore the trolls. Maybe if we ignore the noobs they will take it upon themselves to read and research and find the answer on their own.
I hate seeing threads closed. Mods having to come in and clean threads. Devs getting pissed and moving somewhere else or just keeping their work to themselves because their sick of the drama.
It just seems so simple to me......The next time you see a post by a troll or someone who doesn't take the time to read and research on there own. Then ask a question in the thread to either provoke or just out of laziness just do this......................
Nothing
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Don't forget the ghosts to, the ones that just downloads the rom/theme/app/mod and won't even spend a second to click thanks. These devs do this for free and spend tons of time doing it(been there done that). Its not hard really, its the little things that count.
There's also something to be said for not being a condescending, intolerant prick.
But hey, this is the internet, where you can be an absolute asshole and no one can do anything about it, so why not?
I'll gladly take the "lazy noobs" over the self-righteous self-proclaimed geniuses we seem to breed here. At least the people asking the "stupid" questions aren't intentionally doing so to make people feel like crap.
Stay classy, XDA.
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There's also something to be said for not being a condescending, intolerant prick.
But hey, this is the internet, where you can be an absolute asshole and no one can do anything about it, so why not?
I'll gladly take the "lazy noobs" over the self-righteous self-proclaimed geniuses we seem to breed here. At least the people asking the "stupid" questions aren't intentionally doing so to make people feel like crap.
Stay classy, XDA.
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Don't be so sure about that. I have recently patented a DEVICE and APPARATUS for PUNCHING PEOPLE over the INTERNET
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Don't forget the ghosts to, the ones that just downloads the rom/theme/app/mod and won't even spend a second to click thanks. These devs do this for free and spend tons of time doing it(been there done that). Its not hard really, its the little things that count.
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Well, similarly to open-source software, it's a largely thankless job done for fun, and NOT the expectation of $$$, or accolades...
Exactly this.
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ikjadoon said:
Some of this could be relieved if people actually updated their first post with relevant information.
I did it for my 90+ page Jelly Bean thread and had NONE of this.
Actually, wait, it happened once. I told him the answer and then said "check the first post, mate." Never happened again.
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^ THIS
I really think they should update the first post on a thread, so that a particular question that keep repeatedly asked doesn't need to be asked again. Personally, if I had a question, I check the thread's first page to see if they had some sort of FAQs up there for questions that are FREQUENTLY asked.
If not, I resort to searching. But sometimes, your question is a bit general and you can't find any useful information via search. Even via Google. Sometimes, even if you try to be specific with search, you can't nail down the solution of the problem. Sometimes you just find someone asking the same question and was left unanswered because "this noob didn't do a search. So no we won't answer his question"
But then again, if a question is repeatedly asked, the search should yield a good answer. But there's just those odd moments where search isn't helpful at all and you try asking.
I think it would be best if a) there's a FAQs (I've actually seen a few threads on other sections of XDA with a separate thread for asking questions), or b) just answer the damn question, and remind them to use search or something... Instead of resorting to name calling and flaming.
Sometimes, I just avoid posting on XDA because I feel some people feel they're the elite and that instead of teaching the new people how to learn they just scoff them off telling them to learn on their own. I started XDA years back, and while I mostly did my learning on my own, I had a couple of people help me pointing me to things and all that. But now days, XDA is just full of rowdy people trying to make themselves special.
EDIT: And all of those efforts in flaming could have just been put to good use. So what did you end up accomplishing in name calling and flaming? Nothing.
Which is as much as you could accomplish if you ignored the person and did nothing. So if you ain't helping just ugnore becuase it doesn't accomplish anything to call out someone, call them names, and flame them.
I'll admit to being both a noob and an "a-hole". The first topic I created on XDA was in the the developement forum (check my profile to verify)! Oh boy, did I get whipped for that. I took it like a man, didn't argue and I learned real fast. Even since then, I learned to read, search, do whatever it takes to solve my own issues.
Now the A-hole part of me showed in the Atrix forum. Some guy posted a question which has been posted to the bone a million times and got into an argument with him, telling to search, read, ect. Was it justified? Maybe. Was my argument with him going to stop other noobs from posting repeated questions? No. I don't know on that day, I decided I had enough and beefed with him. Maybe because he didn't put in enough effort look around posting a question when it's been asked a million times. I usually just ignore stuff like that but it really got to me when I saw that question.
We all like to think that our question(s) has never been asked before so we come here and post but that's usually never the case is it? That's just human nature. What's more of a satisifying feeling? Finding your own solution via searching, reading, ect. or asking a question and getting a direct, personal answer? Wait don't answer that.
I compare the forums to a classroom that doesn't has a beginning or an ending semester. Students constantly coming and going while the teacher has to start his lesson over and over and over. Students raising their hands and asking questions about chapter 1 while the students who been there for a while are annoyed because they're on chapter 8.and have to wait for the teacher to stop and answer a previously asked question.
That's the end of my rant. I got my scars from my mistakes. Learn from me. They're not worth showing off.
At the end of the day, who really cares? Someone asked a question, maybe it was answered already, who freakin cares? No one got hurt.
The person asking meant to seek information. The person replying set out to inflame and incite. Who is the real problem?
Do you ever consider the experience a new user has on these forums?
Subjected to elitist snobs and morons who can't wait to bash someone. If they are new, they don't understand. But they will realize just what kind of arrogant, socially inept people some members can be. And quickly.
Nothing says "welcome" like a good, old fashioned condescending person.
If you don't answer people like that in real life, maybe you shouldn't on the internet either.
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I have stopped posting as well from some time, as I get most my answers by just reading OP and other posts. I disagree with OP here to some extent. The main problem is not the noobs but the self proclaimed experts. It take same amount of time and energy to answer someone's question and bashing them. I do agree that if you don't know the answer just ignore them, but saying read read instead of answering them is just starting a new war. When I was in Captivate forums, I knew few people who answered same questions everyday and eventually made a general thread to help new people. Either block noobs from this forum or stop starting these kind of thread to get attention.
I don't think anyone just post a question without researching, as most of the members now know how badly they get bashed for it. So if someone is asking a sincere question, I think they should be answered or ignored. These forums are to help each other learn new things, no one came here as expert (except few).
Whatever happened to that saying: No question is a stupid question...