"Welcome to xda-developers
...the largest Internet community of smartphone enthusiasts and developers for the Android and Windows Mobile platforms. Visit the world famous XDA Forums or continue to browse our portal."
The above is copied directly from the xda home page. There are several words in there that misled me. "Welcome", "community", and "enthusiasts". I took those words to mean that any and all comments and questions would be welcome and answered by those who had more information than the "noobs" of which I am one. Unfortunately, I have found that not to be the case. I have posted several questions and the only answer I have gotten was less than friendly. I'm aware that IF anyone reads this, it will be dismissed as whining, or possibly removed by the xda people. I have read lots of unfriendly replies to questions by people who are trying to learn about their phones, whether it's basic features or more advanced development. Apparently, the people who know how to root, flash ROMs, overclock, and so on, have either forgotten or don't care that at one time, they didn't know anything either. Some of them probably figured it out for themselves, and some of them got help from others. But now that they are no longer noobs, they are condescending and sometimes downright rude to the new noobs. I was hoping to learn some things, possibly make some connections, and share the things I learn with the people who are just starting out. It looks like I'm going to have to figure this stuff out on my own. When I do, rather than be rude and dismissive, I will make every effort to help others and share what I've learned. But it will have to be somewhere other than xda because that doesn't happen much around here.
I totaly disagree.
1st .I did check all your seven posts and in none of them ive found any rude comment.
2nd . I was able to search for your posts title subject and ive found many other threads open, my suggestion for been not ignored is to use the opened threads instead to open a new one.
3rd. XDA is the share knowledge place, you will not find another forum like this,many people share everything all the days,there is not a magic button that say "lemme learn" ,just take the time to search,read 1st post( they always have the answers),read the other people comments and you will be able to do what you need............this is only what we have done from the begin
I appreciate your reply. The main reason you didn't find any rude responses is because there were no responses period. I'm not trying to find a magic "lemme learn" button but what good is it to post questions if nobody answers? I searched the threads before I posted and didn't find the answer to my question. By the way, if you searched all my posts, did you answer any of them?
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I appreciate your reply. The main reason you didn't find any rude responses is because there were no responses period. I'm not trying to find a magic "lemme learn" button but what good is it to post questions if nobody answers? I searched the threads before I posted and didn't find the answer to my question. By the way, if you searched all my posts, did you answer any of them?
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Looks like you posted your questions in Q&A global.
Try posting in general or Q&A for your device itself. Very few people post in general Q&A, but you should get an answer in the device area.
Remember though that your post won't be guaranteed to get an immediate reply, and nobody is obliged to answer anything.
Searching here might help, as will reading all the stickies in the device forum.
Also remember not everyone doesn't have the device you have, so bear that in mind given where you posted.
I'm not gonna beat about the bush here...
By the way, if you searched all my posts, did you answer any of them?
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does seem a bit rude to me, being perfectly frank. Remember XDA covers many dozens of devices, and most people only know 1 or 2 that they own.
Most people get "flamed" for posting in the wrong forum. Don't post questions in development, of any shape or form. Development is for those making or developing ROMs. If you stick to this, and post in your device's Q&A or general forum, you might have more luck.
FWIW you don't really sound like someone who wants to join a community, you just sound like some dude who wants someone to help them. Which is ok, but sometimes you have to be patient.
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I can't be bothered to learn about the community or where to even post, But I expect everyone to jump to and respond to my questions, or I'll accuse everyone of being rude, Cause everyone should immediately drop what they are doing and respond to my problems that I admit I know the answer to IN MY OWN POST. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=844908 (halfway through when I say that I got my answer already on cyanogen) Can I get some cheese with my whine please?
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You answer yor own question and then have a meltdown over no one answering you? go get help.
We have a saying on my country:
"cada quien habla de como le va en la feria"
Means that each person speaks about their own personal experience, which in all cases is not same as anybody else.
I have found an immense great friendly community here @XDA, yes! we are both talking about the same place!, I´m sorry to hear your bad experience here on your very short life.
As in any country, class room, world, group you´ll find nice and not nice members, you just have to select with which ones you have stuff in common and fell ok with them and avoid does who not.
I invite you to be an active long time member and I am sure with some time your thinking will change
Hope to have this conversation in a couple of years and both laughing about this thread
orb3000 said:
We have a saying on my country:
"cada quien habla de como le va en la feria"
Means that each person speaks about their own personal experience, which in all cases is not same as anybody else.
I have found an immense great friendly community here @XDA, yes! we are both talking about the same place!, I´m sorry to hear your bad experience here on your very short life.
As in any country, class room, world, group you´ll find nice and not nice members, you just have to select with which ones you have stuff in common and fell ok with them and avoid does who not.
I invite you to be an active long time member and I am sure with some time your thinking will change
Hope to have this conversation in a couple of years and both laughing about this thread
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Well put Orb
For me, the only negative about being here has been the scamming and fraudulent stuff going on within the Marketplace
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For me, the only negative about being here has been the scamming and fraudulent stuff going on within the Marketplace
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That's true, but the community itself cannot be judged on the basis of these jerks.
I haven't been here for that long and people have treated me with respect. I'm no noob to this stuff, but I can say that there are a lot of things I don't know. Even in the ROM threads with hundreds (sometimes thousands) of pages of rapid-fire posting, I still have people answer my question without calling me a "noob" or "newfag".
I'm a moderator on another fairly [but not THIS] large forum and, while I like to think that we are another go-to site for what we deal with, it's not as respectful or decent as XDA is. Senior members always flame new members, even if they answer their questions. Here, there a TON of active members whereas on other forums people join then leave out of frustration because everyone wants to be a jerk.
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I treat everyone here with respect, and I'm sure many other members do to, Although if they are being talked to in a rude fashion I'm sure they won't be happy to respond. If you find a reply which is in anyway offensive or rude, perhaps use the report button.
Guyz..He'z a newbie over here...Let him spend some time,become a senior member and then ask him to return here...I am sure the perspective with which he views at XDA now will change after he spends a considerable amount of time...Its all about experience and respect...Give respect,take respect..And remember,Read Forum Rules!!!Trying to give rules a priority
moonpiedave said:
I appreciate your reply. The main reason you didn't find any rude responses is because there were no responses period. I'm not trying to find a magic "lemme learn" button but what good is it to post questions if nobody answers? I searched the threads before I posted and didn't find the answer to my question. By the way, if you searched all my posts, did you answer any of them?
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It's the same deal on most forums... Users are expected to search for threads relating to their questions. If someone creates an account and is too lazy to search and read a lot, i puts people off... Why? Because there are already probably 5 threads covering every subject you could think of. It really clutters up the forum and makes it harder to find legit answers when you are searching for one.
I'm not saying that there aren't dicks on this forum, because I'm sure there are, but I haven't really run across anyone that was over the line... I mean, this is the internet where anyone can be a bad ass. I've seen way worse on other forums. Check out some of the iphone forums and you will see lots of ****ty replies.
If you get a reply, "Use the search" they aren't really being a ****. They are trying to keep the forums clean.
Bottom line, don't sweat it, this is the internet. One thing to learn about forums on the web is that you can't actually get pissed at someone on the internet. They don't know you and you don't know them. It's a completely different experience than the real world. Just be happy there is a resource like XDA on the web to help you nerd out on your sweet phone. And read a lot, because the information is probably already here.
Once you have done your reading and you still haven't found your issue, then post. No one is going to call you out if the answer isn't on this forum... And if by chance you missed a thread and someone does, let them know you read and didn't find it, then brush it off.
In regards to not getting answers to your questions, well, it happens. Everyone doesn't have time to answer everyone's inquiries, so you have to be real patient. It also doesn't hurt to do a google search because XDA isn't the only place on the web to find answers.
It also helps to post in the correct forum. Best way to do this is to find your phone in the search at the top and then search the forum specific to your phone. That's where people that know about your phone reside and where you will most likely get a reply.
qipengart said:
For me, the only negative about being here has been the scamming and fraudulent stuff going on within the Marketplace
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Woah.. really? Example please for future reference... I hope I haven't ran into any of that
Product F(RED) said:
That's true, but the community itself cannot be judged on the basis of these jerks.
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Come and get it.
People are quite polite here, but thee is one thing. World hates to answer already answered questions. Sometimes we see 3-4 people asking the same question. You know, we answer once, twice... on the third time someone says "Use search " or something like that.
Good idea is to scout the forum for 3-4 days, to see what is going on, what has been already done and what is certainly not being mentioned. And yes, search is your friend.
I have been here a while (though with not many posts under my belt) and I do not really see many rude posts nor a anti-noob atmosphere.
I hate to admit that this, but I take more from XDA than I leave.
Dan
moonpiedave said:
"Welcome to xda-developers
...the largest Internet community of smartphone enthusiasts and developers for the Android and Windows Mobile platforms. Visit the world famous XDA Forums or continue to browse our portal."
The above is copied directly from the xda home page. There are several words in there that misled me. "Welcome", "community", and "enthusiasts". I took those words to mean that any and all comments and questions would be welcome and answered by those who had more information than the "noobs" of which I am one. Unfortunately, I have found that not to be the case. I have posted several questions and the only answer I have gotten was less than friendly. I'm aware that IF anyone reads this, it will be dismissed as whining, or possibly removed by the xda people. I have read lots of unfriendly replies to questions by people who are trying to learn about their phones, whether it's basic features or more advanced development. Apparently, the people who know how to root, flash ROMs, overclock, and so on, have either forgotten or don't care that at one time, they didn't know anything either. Some of them probably figured it out for themselves, and some of them got help from others. But now that they are no longer noobs, they are condescending and sometimes downright rude to the new noobs. I was hoping to learn some things, possibly make some connections, and share the things I learn with the people who are just starting out. It looks like I'm going to have to figure this stuff out on my own. When I do, rather than be rude and dismissive, I will make every effort to help others and share what I've learned. But it will have to be somewhere other than xda because that doesn't happen much around here.
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It is just funny that somebody would come in here and say this with just 8 posts. Also, his first post was on Nov 15th and then he posted the above on Nov 19th so he had a total of 5 days of XDA and he is bashing it??? Not cool.
OP around and online but not a single reply from him...
I have received help here at XDA, cannot compare to any other forums that I know of. You need to go to the right places and read stickies and google before you ask, that's how I don't look like a noob... my secret is out, darn!
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During the past months I have noticed a tendency, or better: arrogance of older members. They sometimes treat "Juniors" like idiots or make unnecessary fun of them. This - even though it is really funny sometimes for the older guys - just makes it somehow unpleasant here.
We all habe been there, we all had to learn about our devices, so, what is the point? Juniors should be welcommed better than laught at - they might become the masters tomorrow!
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Another tendency:
I sure know that almost anything in this forums has been discussed already in one thread or another. However, SENIORs, get real! If a new user asks a question, you should help him finding an answer / solution rather than just writing the "USE THE SEARCH" nonsense!
The integrated forum search is not the easiest on the market and it takes a while to get used to it. In addition, this forum is filled with thousands of topics - you sometimes can search and click through threads without finding anything in specific for hours! Sure, there is the attempt of having the WIKI but even this often does not cover it all! So, rather than posting the stupid "USE THE SEARCH", point the guy to the right topic / section / WIKI article - that would make more sense. LOL, just use the GOOGLE SEARCH in this forum and look for "Use the search" - amazing how many threads you find!
Don't get me wrong! I don't mean that we should animate JUNIORS to double-post or 'being lazy', but it is more helpful to guide him to the right topic if you want to help or - in case you just want to be a "smart-ass" - say nothing rather than "Use the search!"!
Well, just my opinion but it always looks a bit hostile to me if I see an old member posting "USE THE SEARCH" - in that aspect the old member is just not better than the junior, who might have been too lazy to perform a search in first place ...
this is my first post in 4 months.
titties.
etnies said:
this is my first post in 4 months.
titties.
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LOL, see, my post was good for something - at least you replied after 4 months of "shut up, be happy, stop whining"
I do agree with what youve said, but i dont think your going to change human nature.
Ive been guilty of giving slightly unhelpful comments to juniors, i suppose its just frustrating when someone is asking about something we find so simple.
Then again, we had to learn to...
I only discovered the search function not long ago, tis very helpful but i can see why its not used or noticed until youve been here for awhile.
TO be honest i hate the way this forum is set up.
You should all visit http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/
It has a lovely layout and is a pleasure to use. (Its an australian broadband forum)
true statement for the most part, but i find that noobs are exceited about joing the forum. they see all that they can do their new device and go nuts. instant gratification is today's society. this is the same on 99.9% of the forums out there. i know i was like that. i wanted my "modded" kaiser to do this and that, but i also didn't want a brick too. so at least i read and read and read some more. there's some users out there that don't want to read even the simple FAQ's and the WIKI. (i know i was one of those users too) i didn't read those threads until 2 weeks ago and i have been effin with my kaiser for 3 months
again titties? where?
Yeah, that WHIRLPOOL looks neat, however, I guess Igot too used to XDA-Developers.
I do believe that one of the main reasons is the amount of information collected in this forum during the years, and for sure the dayly grow of new devices and features on the market.
Maybe it would be an idea to rethink the XDA structure and set up 3 different forums, one for problems, one for software development and one for ROM Development and hacking ... but if I rethink it, well, I got used to it (almost) so, others will too if we help them rather than pointing them to the SEARCH ...
Junner2003 said:
Yeah, that WHIRLPOOL looks neat, however, I guess Igot too used to XDA-Developers.
I do believe that one of the main reasons is the amount of information collected in this forum during the years, and for sure the dayly grow of new devices and features on the market.
Maybe it would be an idea to rethink the XDA structure and set up 3 different forums, one for problems, one for software development and one for ROM Development and hacking ... but if I rethink it, well, I got used to it (almost) so, others will too if we help them rather than pointing them to the SEARCH ...
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Lots of users are used to the layout and changing it would be a massive operation for the Site Admin. Also, we are limited by what V-Bulletin can do.
With regards to the behaviour of older members, I will not support or condone what they do, if they pass the line then the post should be reported to the moderators for further investigation.
Checkout this old post on Flaming: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=390475&highlight=Flame
And finally, there are some naked chicks in my signature (SFW) to check out.
Ta
Dave
Junner2003 said:
During the past months I have noticed a tendency, or better: arrogance of older members. They sometimes treat "Juniors" like idiots or make unnecessary fun of them. This - even though it is really funny sometimes for the older guys - just makes it somehow unpleasant here.
We all habe been there, we all had to learn about our devices, so, what is the point? Juniors should be welcommed better than laught at - they might become the masters tomorrow!
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Another tendency:
I sure know that almost anything in this forums has been discussed already in one thread or another. However, SENIORs, get real! If a new user asks a question, you should help him finding an answer / solution rather than just writing the "USE THE SEARCH" nonsense!
The integrated forum search is not the easiest on the market and it takes a while to get used to it. In addition, this forum is filled with thousands of topics - you sometimes can search and click through threads without finding anything in specific for hours! Sure, there is the attempt of having the WIKI but even this often does not cover it all! So, rather than posting the stupid "USE THE SEARCH", point the guy to the right topic / section / WIKI article - that would make more sense. LOL, just use the GOOGLE SEARCH in this forum and look for "Use the search" - amazing how many threads you find!
Don't get me wrong! I don't mean that we should animate JUNIORS to double-post or 'being lazy', but it is more helpful to guide him to the right topic if you want to help or - in case you just want to be a "smart-ass" - say nothing rather than "Use the search!"!
Well, just my opinion but it always looks a bit hostile to me if I see an old member posting "USE THE SEARCH" - in that aspect the old member is just not better than the junior, who might have been too lazy to perform a search in first place ...
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I agree, and the search engine of the forum is not the simpliest one
alijo said:
I agree, and the search engine of the forum is not the simpliest one
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V-Bulletin search leaves a lot to be desired, but the google one pastes over the cracks pretty well.
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i can't remember if i have just once used v-bulletin engine and got a hit...it's a real crap masterpiece...
but in the other hand...google does the trick
and we all got "use the search" so what...big deal..
most of the time on the forum i deal with juniors and i tend to give a precise noob answer so i don't mind them and their questions at all....but isn't it natural like food chain...
it may be wrong but it is as it is and few of us can't help or improve it no matter how we try
and there are even worse members than juniors.....those seniors who gained status on off-topics i think there is no need for that but if you want i can provide 2-3 names right now
well ... i think the common rule of 'minimum requirement' applies everywhere.
By the name of xda-developers implies that this is the developers site. I can see that the moderators and other senior members here did do attempts to reduce someone creating new thread for just asking "noobs" question, but new members just dont want to spend their time to do reading, reading and reading.
There is nothing really harm to do reading then do searching ....
No offense, just my thought ....
i want to mention a moderator and his wall of shame crap in the diamond section...it was very rude and not friendly
It is unappropiate for any member to flame, if you don't like a post either use the
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The problem with noob questions is that if allowed it would drown our already massive forum, searching would become even worse.
Next to that: it's often wise to read first and to know what you are doing before acting, a lot of noobs have bricked their devices because they didn't read!
So "read the stickies/wiki" or "use the search" is often GOOD and SOUND advice!
But by no means we condone flaming!
BTW we don't like to be called "older members", please use the term age-challenged-members
May I also post a link to one of the best posts ever to be written at XDA.
LINK TO BEST POST EVER
Says all I ever need to say. Developers and hackers working together to better their devices. Not a place for "check what I can do with my phone".
Kyphur said it best with this quote
Now do we go kicking users off who never contribute anything, NO. We tolerate it to an extent. Where the toleration ends is when these users start diluting the usefulness of the forum by repeating the same questions over and over again.
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Often the old behave like juniors
P1Tater said:
May I also post a link to one of the best posts ever to be written at XDA.
LINK TO BEST POST EVER
Says all I ever need to say. Developers and hackers working together to better their devices. Not a place for "check what I can do with my phone".
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I agree that Kyphur said it best with that post.
That is the post i most often love to quote. The issue is always that we have two types of users, those who just LOVE technology and want to learn, and those who treat it like it is tech support, or a paid service. These two sides are always at odds with each other. It is very easy to get frustrated with new users who aren't interested in even taking the time to ask good questions. I have never once put down someone for asking a sincere question, or refused to spend much of my own free time teaching a new user how to do something, IF they were willing to learn. The phrase "i don't have time to read all this" is an automatic call for me to do nothing to help that person. If you don't have time to read and learn, then you shouldn't be be modding your device. It's just too risky if you don't know what you are doing. As for the search function, it is a learning process, but honestly if you know how to search the internet, then you should be a quick study on searching the forum. I love that you can search just the thread, just the forum, or the whole site. After learning the site, i have found it completely functional, and rarely do i waste time looking for answers.
I will say that the "respect all the members" rule is sadly neglected by many users on this forum, regardless of their standing. I try to encourage everyone who sees disrespectful activity to write well thought out replies, via PM or if necessary in the thread. Use the report post button more frequently so that the mods can step in when necessary. Finally, please remember this is an international forum, filled with many non-native english speakers, who may not always grasp the full meaning of what everyone is saying. Be patient, and be clear in what you are saying, because we all say things we shouldn't have and we all have misread or been misunderstood. Let's try to give people the benefit of the doubt. Of course, don't forget to have fun too
P1Tater is spot on.
No more discussion needed...!
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this is my first post in 4 months.
kittens.
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2 months Your last post was from : 06-09-2008
I came here for the reported T!tt!3s.
No such luck.
I haven't seen really harsh "Use the Search Function" posts from Seniors.
I have seen some Touch Love Versions and have even seen some more "I will still answer your Question" posts by seniors.
In the end i think that most senior members are trying to encourage research.
As that is what the majority of people/developers/cooks are doing. Testing, changing Testing Changing and getting feedback from others testing and changing.
Adding a little advice or hint to the "Use The Search Function" , like over at this or that forum. Or "Try these Keywords", makes a post that can seem unfriendly (flat information has that weird quality to invoke an emotion behind it that does not exist), sound a bit more friendly.
But as soon as words as "Dumbass, idiot, Noob, grow up etc" are added to a Search referral post, it's pretty obvious that we should be reported, because that goes over the line.
Bottom line is that there will always be people who don't want to read a lot and that they would try to find an answer just by posting a question that already has been answered - human nature.
On the other hand there will be always seniors that sometimes would be harsh on noobs, again - human nature.
The balance: "use the search button" or "use google".
Well, I don't think it's harsh to say use search button because when I first came here I had to read more than 100 pages of Himalaya section and than another 100 in upgrading and Wiki. Thats a lot of reading but it helped a lot. Up to this day I never broke a device, I had more than 4 devices so I read a lot. But thats not it, reading through the posts I could see juniors posting questions that should not be posted and seniors posting answers that should not be postet. That made me think hard before I posted a question. Now I don't have a background in electronics or engineering but I made it just by reading.
So, I don't think that's harsh to say use the search button, anyway this is my two cents.
Cheers
You can't ask questions or say good job to the devs in the Dev section? I see people getting butt hurt to the point of insulting other members for asking questions. The rules clearly state that you shouldn't start a thread that does not pertain directly to development but i have yet to see where the rules say you can't comment or ask questions. I can honestly say that i have rarely seen a response in a Dev thread that was directly related to moving the rom forward from a true development perspective. Most of the guys complaining about the rules don't seem to actually understand the rules themselves. Let me clarify.... Starting a thread is not the same as posting within one. There is one rule that most of the forum police seem to always over look and that is 2.3
"2.3 Flaming: XDA was founded as a group of people sharing information about certain mobile phones. Sharing does not involve virtual yelling (flaming) it does involve working together to solve problems in an environment of mutual respect and understanding. Losing your temper and flaming another member, or group of members, is not acceptable behavior."
So before you jump down someones throat about not following rules maybe try taking a look at the rules and make sure you understand them yourself. I'm sure someone will ask how this relates to our phone and the answer is that it doesn't. It does however relate directly to the e4gt community.
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I think the biggest reason people get flamed for asking questions in the dev thread is that they don't follow rule number 1 of the forum rules...
"1. Search before posting.
Use one of our search functions before posting, whether you have a question or something new to share, it's very likely someone already asked that question or shared that news."
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=17681946
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The thanks button is there to prevent a ton of low/no content "awesome work" posts. Who wants to wade thru posts like that? I sure don't.
Honestly. Based on the wording of these rules. The dev section should be for releases then locked down. Cause honestly there is very little talk in the dev threads that can be considered development related. Almost everything I have seen in the dev threads since I have been on XDA could really be considered general talk. Let me say too that I'm not opposed to having the dev section only for releases. I think it would be a lot nicer if it was reserved for releases only. Most of the actual dev work takes place on twitter or the IRC from what I've seen. So it wouldn't hender development.
As for people jumping down someones throat for asking a question. Honestly. I think some people just look for a reason to play forum police. I have been called every name in the book. Sometimes I deserved it. Other times I didn't. Just have to ignore it sometimes. If someone sees a post that shouldn't be. Use the report button. If you're happy with a ROM or an answer. Use the thanks button. Google the hell out of ****. Best advice I could give anyone. But I will never agree with someone jumping someones ass for asking a simple question. We were all new to the forums at one time. Unfortunately you can't teach class.
A lot of the flaming, besides chastising outright stupidity, is from these high school aged kids who think of XDA as an extension of their "root cliques" at school. Posting childish memes, and making threads popularity contests.
Your problem is trying to rationalize ignorance.
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Its because your taking valuable space from others that have to let everyone know they are "downloading it now!!" instead of giving useful feedback for the community.
Its the me mentality.... Blame society and the educational system.
azyouthinkeyeiz said:
A lot of the flaming, besides chastising outright stupidity, is from these high school aged kids who think of XDA as an extension of their "root cliques" at school. Posting childish memes, and making threads popularity contests.
Your problem is trying to rationalize ignorance.
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The probem is you are trying to rationalize flaming. I dont care how stupid a post may be, crapping on someone is childish, and flat out against the rules, whereas what is considered development is pretty gray... I agree with the above that if these lil forum nazis want to keep whining, the Mods should lock the Dev threads only to the Devs, and have a general thread for it... as RIDICULOUS as that is, if it drives these kiddie antics back to Facebook where they belong, so be it.
The funny part, when someone like say iSaint posts a funny meme/pic or new sig, I have NEVER seen anyone complain... its just when you see an opportunity to attack a percieved weakness (asking a question, not being completely up to date on a thread) and capitalize on it... that is pathetic. Some kids need affirmation from daddy or something. Go talk smack elsewhere.
I really think the Mods (not just jerdog, I think its obvious there needs to be a group decision) to clarify the Dev thread rules... seems each device develops its own dynamic for the community, this one needs a little structure not just crazy sheriffs who show up a day late guns blazing. Just clarify what you want to see and dont want to see in Dev threads, so this dispute can be over. It will be sad if theres no humor or fun in this forum because a few people cant figure out how to stay updated on their favorite ROM, and learn to skim threads for info they are actually interested in... but its better than lil internet tough guys.
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The probem is you are trying to rationalize flaming. I dont care how stupid a post may be, crapping on someone is childish, and flat out against the rules, whereas what is considered development is pretty gray... I agree with the above that if these lil forum nazis want to keep whining, the Mods should lock the Dev threads only to the Devs, and have a general thread for it... as RIDICULOUS as that is, if it drives these kiddie antics back to Facebook where they belong, so be it.
The funny part, when someone like say iSaint posts a funny meme/pic or new sig, I have NEVER seen anyone complain... its just when you see an opportunity to attack a percieved weakness (asking a question, not being completely up to date on a thread) and capitalize on it... that is pathetic. Some kids need affirmation from daddy or something. Go talk smack elsewhere.
I really think the Mods (not just jerdog, I think its obvious there needs to be a group decision) to clarify the Dev thread rules... seems each device develops its own dynamic for the community, this one needs a little structure not just crazy sheriffs who show up a day late guns blazing. Just clarify what you want to see and dont want to see in Dev threads, so this dispute can be over. It will be sad if theres no humor or fun in this forum because a few people cant figure out how to stay updated on their favorite ROM, and learn to skim threads for info they are actually interested in... but its better than lil internet tough guys.
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Even I don't post crap in the development section
Must respect it.
And when I was a new member I helped as much as I could answered alotta stuff but it gets repetitive and just ridiculous.
This is a developers site for developers normal people shouldn't even be posting to be honest
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iSaint said:
Even I don't post crap in the development section
Must respect it.
And when I was a new member I helped as much as I could answered alotta stuff but it gets repetitive and just ridiculous.
This is a developers site for developers normal people shouldn't even be posting to be honest
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Dont get me wrong, I dont have any problem with your humor... just saying that when its funny people tend to forgive off topic, but if its phrased as a question, you are told to piss off... its just really vague. I used to rarely post in Dev in the epic4g forums, as for a long time the threads WERE development... but as we all know, the devs tend to IRC or twitter or whatever... its not in the XDA threads like it used to be. I actually really miss that, I could pop in whenever and learn from the ones who know what they're doing... I really feel weird going to a chatroom at 35 years old, and regardless, dont have time, I have my own real world 5 year old to raise. Anyways, maybe they should REALLY crack down, and if its not DEVELOPMENT it goes in the general forum... I asked a question in the dev thread about how to flash CNA, more clarifying what the preferred method is with the devs, as thats who I usually listen to... and it turned into a flamewar... it was stupid... I should have just walked away, but I have just seen a lot of people get blasted with a dozen posts for something really innocuous... so I decided to say something, and actually I should have paid more attention to which CNA thread I was in... they look the same, just different off topic conversation at any given time! But questions pertaining to the ROM... cant have that... cant have that.
The solution?
How about we lock the development threads after the developer has posted what they needed to? Why don't we also close the Q&A section so people don't start
flamewars about questions being asked multiple times? You know what, we might as well just close the entire forum and make it so only developers can join and share their work together.
This should help you out some:
1. Search before posting.
Use one of our search functions before posting, whether you have a question or something new to share, it's very likely someone already asked that question or shared that news.
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As a large forum we don't need unnecessary clutter, You're free to edit your message as you like, so if you do not receive an answer revisit your message and see if you can describe your problem better. Not everyone is online at the same time, it might take a while before you receive an answer.
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XDA is for development - that's why we exist. We created the extra sections so as to try and head off all the off-topic drivel (and yes, "OMG THIS IS SO AWESOME!" and "I WANT TO HAVE YOUR TWINS!" are off topic) and to try and keep Development as clean as possible. And as is the ongoing nature of the beast, there are people who don't read the rules and go ahead and post anyway. And we can't police everything 24x7 because we are all volunteer.
I think its always gonna be a double edge sword. You need user count to raise value of ads and pay server and any employees Xander may have. But in turn that brings in a lot of non development people.
Now. Since you don't have to have an account to download from the site. That could be good or bad. Good as it gives people a way to download without an account but bad as it keeps user count down and could generate a loss in revenue. I mean something has to pay for all the XDA TV and all the other things that this site has. So I really think that locking Dev sections down to developers only is a good idea. But that brings about another issue. Who qualifies as a dev? What would one have to do. If simply making a ROM and releasing is all one has to do then hell I can do that. It may be stock touchwiz but still it would be a ROM. So there will always be this and that.
I am as guilty as the next guy for posting non dev posts in the development section. That's the one reason I don't flame someone for doing the same.
Any who. That's my thoughts on it.
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This should help you out some:
XDA is for development - that's why we exist. We created the extra sections so as to try and head off all the off-topic drivel (and yes, "OMG THIS IS SO AWESOME!" and "I WANT TO HAVE YOUR TWINS!" are off topic) and to try and keep Development as clean as possible. And as is the ongoing nature of the beast, there are people who don't read the rules and go ahead and post anyway. And we can't police everything 24x7 because we are all volunteer.
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Oh there it is... right in the rules...
scarmon25 said:
I think its always gonna be a double edge sword. You need user count to raise value of ads and pay server and any employees Xander may have. But in turn that brings in a lot of non development people.
Now. Since you don't have to have an account to download from the site. That could be good or bad. Good as it gives people a way to download without an account but bad as it keeps user count down and could generate a loss in revenue. I mean something has to pay for all the XDA TV and all the other things that this site has. So I really think that locking Dev sections down to developers only is a good idea. But that brings about another issue. Who qualifies as a dev? What would one have to do. If simply making a ROM and releasing is all one has to do then hell I can do that. It may be stock touchwiz but still it would be a ROM. So there will always be this and that.
I am as guilty as the next guy for posting non dev posts in the development section. That's the one reason I don't flame someone for doing the same.
Any who. That's my thoughts on it.
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In theory you have a point, but before the users there were developers who wanted to share with other developers. If the users went away then there would still be developers and you wouldn't need as much moolah to run the site so you wouldn't need as much hosting, etc.
my Galaxy Note screen is bigger than yours
jerdog said:
In theory you have a point, but before the users there were developers who wanted to share with other developers. If the users went away then there would still be developers and you wouldn't need as much moolah to run the site so you wouldn't need as much hosting, etc.
my Galaxy Note screen is bigger than yours
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Yep. You are absolutely correct. That's why I say its always gonna be a double edged sword. XDA has grown so big that at this point it would be almost impossible to go back to that point. I honestly think that the best way to eleviate the dev section of BS and such would be to implement a a title other then recognized developer that would be reasonable to obtain. And close off dev section to post. Anyone could browse that section. But only people with the appropriate titles could post. That "may" help bring some of the real development back to XDA and off the IRC, twitter, ect.
Its just an idea. And honestly even if it was implemented with a perfect execution there would still be hiccups and issues. I guess it all boils down to with a huge user base. The percentages of dev,classy people,troll, and straight out dicks are going to go up and sometimes out of proportion. It sucks but its just how it is. All it takes is for us users to use the measures in place.
Use the thanks, report buttons and Google/Search **** before posting. And keep the nonsense post out of the dev section. If someone asks a question. Regardless of how many times its been asked. Give a polite answer and kindly direct them to previous post and about where they should post. If its a repeat offender "someone who never searches and constantly post the same ****" use the report button.
But that would be a perfect XDA environment. And we all know the world isn't perfect.
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Yep. You are absolutely correct. That's why I say its always gonna be a double edged sword. XDA has grown so big that at this point it would be almost impossible to go back to that point. I honestly think that the best way to eleviate the dev section of BS and such would be to implement a a title other then recognized developer that would be reasonable to obtain. And close off dev section to post. Anyone could browse that section. But only people with the appropriate titles could post. That "may" help bring some of the real development back to XDA and off the IRC, twitter, ect.
Its just an idea. And honestly even if it was implemented with a perfect execution there would still be hiccups and issues. I guess it all boils down to with a huge user base. The percentages of dev,classy people,troll, and straight out dicks are going to go up and sometimes out of proportion. It sucks but its just how it is. All it takes is for us users to use the measures in place.
Use the thanks, report buttons and Google/Search **** before posting. And keep the nonsense post out of the dev section. If someone asks a question. Regardless of how many times its been asked. Give a polite answer and kindly direct them to previous post and about where they should post. If its a repeat offender "someone who never searches and constantly post the same ****" use the report button.
But that would be a perfect XDA environment. And we all know the world isn't perfect.
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Devi0124 said:
You can't ask questions or say good job to the devs in the Dev section? I see people getting butt hurt to the point of insulting other members for asking questions. The rules clearly state that you shouldn't start a thread that does not pertain directly to development but i have yet to see where the rules say you can't comment or ask questions.
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Read here please
"Thinking of posting a new thread???
Use the search button on the top bar between "New Posts" and "Quick Links"
If any mod, including myself, continue to find new threads about topics that have threads already existing or [Q] questions in the development forums!
The thread will be locked with no notice and/or up to a temp BAN!!.
Thats the big difference from even a year ago... all the actual development work is being done offsite, either twitter (why I dont know), IRC, or the dev crews own sites. It used to be where the Devs would discuss their work in the Dev thread, and it was totally obvious that if you posted something that wasnt actually developing, you would feel like an ass. But becuase the work has shifted off-site, the dev threads look like ghost towns if everyone follows the rules, AND always errors on the side of not posting... so people not used to this new dynamic start posting 'wheres the update', 'what about adding this feature'..... as they would not be seeing any actual development going on. Just lock down the Dev threads, so theres no debate... if youre actually working on the rom or whatever, the OP/Mods can allow you to post in it... then all the troll minimods get get bent and if they talk **** in general they can get flagged and vacations. If you aren't listen in the OP as a developer working on the project, or maybe beta testing a release for the Devs, no posting! Simple. I think the days of XDA being only devs is long gone, as those devs would move on if they did not have a forum to interact with their userbase... as some have to places where people with bad attitudes get banned before people that god forbid have a question. I agree, do away with Q&A... its more on topic than most crap in general, that way theres a dev (downloads) section, and everything else. they nobody has to worry about 'wah, this thread is cluttered and I wanna vent on people, so im gonna talk **** THEN get the mods to clean it up'. The funny part is the drama is actually being created by those not taking part in these conversations, theyre too busy playing minimod to pay attention. 1 question in a dev thread, directly pertaining to that ROM and that ROM alone, and its answer, even if its and answer and 'search next time' is a lot less than that answer plus 5 different little pricks dictating what they think belongs where.
Your quotes of the rules only highlight the fact that they are vague and outdated, as very little actual development happens here anymore... sorry.
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If any mod, including myself, continue to find new threads about topics [...] or [Q] questions in the development forums!
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this really can't get any more clear. he is clearly referring to new THREADS, not posts.
Sometimes I cannot understand people in any forums. Sure, we all should search first before create another thread. If someone asks a question that already been asked, Isn't it enough for one person to mention search before ask?
Not pointing a finger at anyone, but I cannot understand why multiple people in a thread always have to bring it up. More people tell search before ask and the original poster stating reasons why he/she couldn't bloating the thread all the time.
I didn't ask any questions and got offended by some one. I am ranting as I always see numerous people always tell any thread starters regarding this.
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People like to act as if they're in charge? No clue lol
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If someone asks a question that already been asked, Isn't it enough for one person to mention search before ask?
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Apparently not, because a few minutes later someone starts another new thread with another previously answered question.
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Not pointing a finger at anyone, but I cannot understand why multiple people in a thread always have to bring it up.
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Probably to hit the point home.
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Why not just answer the question, true story I went and searched for drivers and stuff my girlfriends touchpad, and the two first search results were topics that only included with a “go search" reply
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And yet you created a meaningless thread that is adding bloat to the nexus forum. The pot calling the kettle black?
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Hawon said:
Sometimes I cannot understand people in any forums. Sure, we all should search first before create another thread. If someone asks a question that already been asked, Isn't it enough for one person to mention search before ask?
Not pointing a finger at anyone, but I cannot understand why multiple people in a thread always have to bring it up. More people tell search before ask and the original poster stating reasons why he/she couldn't bloating the thread all the time.
I didn't ask any questions and got offended by some one. I am ranting as I always see numerous people always tell any thread starters regarding this.
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at a certain future point, all questions would have been already asked, and every new thread thats started is already duplicated. in that case, all we would have here would be just people searching, and no real time one-on-one help. when this happens, xda will no longer have xda forums, all xda will have is xda frequently asked questions :silly:
There are plenty of threads about this already. Next time search before you post.
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The problem is many people don't have a cpu and rely on their phone to access the forums. Search in Tapatalk is inherently incredibly awful, so some slack should be given at times. That said, if someone has an issue, and has access to a PC, put the phone down :highfive:
What I want to know is, did you search previous rants before posting this one?
adrynalyne said:
What I want to know is, did you search previous rants before posting this one?
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Dont think so.. but can i start one
WHY DO PEOPLE QUOTE THE OP??? Its a given thats who your responding too.. unless of course the OP askes a series of questions
1. what is this
2. how do you do this
3. etc
You get my point !
dr.m0x said:
There are plenty of threads about this already. Next time search before you post.
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brilliant :highfive:
The problem I have with repetitive threads is that often times the question has been fully answered very detailed in a previous thread, and we can't answer it again with such detail and accuracy. So functionally, please refer to the previous thread where the question was answered thoroughly. I can't repeat my answers every time a screen burn in thread is posted. So please see my answer in earlier threads.
We want the community to be helpful and if all screen burn in info stayed in one thread its benefits everyone. Now apply that to most any topic. I just can't repeat my answers each time with the same level of detail and usefulness. Basically, its already been said better, so just refer to that thread.
CMNein said:
The problem is many people don't have a cpu and rely on their phone to access the forums. Search in Tapatalk is inherently incredibly awful, so some slack should be given at times. That said, if someone has an issue, and has access to a PC, put the phone down :highfive:
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So stop using Tapatalk. XDA forums on the Nexus work just fine in a browser. Tapatalk is a terrible application. Don't use terrible applications.
simms22 said:
at a certain future point, all questions would have been already asked, and every new thread thats started is already duplicated. in that case, all we would have here would be just people searching, and no real time one-on-one help. when this happens, xda will no longer have xda forums, all xda will have is xda frequently asked questions :silly:
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i dont think so, there are new devices coming out every month, and new ROMS and firmware updates by Google, so there will always be new developments and questions regarding those
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I think a lot of times people just feel their specific situation is different form others they've found, or they are just very confused and would like a new thread where they can explain their problem and hopefully someone will help them.
That's what I think about support type questions anyway. General knowledge type questions ("WILL WE GET ICS??") do tend to be annoying and could certainly be ignored.
I think if we learned to ignore a lot of those type of questions things would be better. Every type we reply the thread goes right back to the top, getting the attention of someone else who also feels the need to reply with the exact same message as the previous question. A mod could also post a link to the answer and just close the thread.
Other times you find something kind of what you are looking for, but the topic has over 100 pages, it's just honestly too much work trying to go through all of those pages. You read the first couple and then you read the last few and then there is a lot that you could have missed.
Finally a lot of us are just jerks, lets face it if we have the time to complain about someone not searching, we probably have the time to actually guide the person in the right direction. Some of us spend way too much time on these forums complaining about how we don't have time to do this or that.
JaiaV said:
So stop using Tapatalk. XDA forums on the Nexus work just fine in a browser. Tapatalk is a terrible application. Don't use terrible applications.
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I have a weakness for terrible things.
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First of all, I very rarely tend to just say something like "that was posted before, just search". I will usually say something like "if you would have searched, you would have found this link..."
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Other times you find something kind of what you are looking for, but the topic has over 100 pages, it's just honestly too much work trying to go through all of those pages. You read the first couple and then you read the last few and then there is a lot that you could have missed.
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That's all fine. But. There are those of us who actually did go through the entire thread because:
a) we knew that we are not special, and chances are if we were having an issue, someone else probably had it before us and someone posted the solution for it.
b) we are here because we enjoy learning about our devices and our OS's and, given that this is XDA-developers, not XDA-support-my-non-searching-ass, we kinda expect others to do the same.
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Finally a lot of us are just jerks, lets face it if we have the time to complain about someone not searching, we probably have the time to actually guide the person in the right direction. Some of us spend way too much time on these forums complaining about how we don't have time to do this or that.
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It's not about not having enough time: it's about coming to the realization that if you can search and post the answer, the person asking the question can easily to the same. It would probably help to phrase a question more like "i was looking for an answer for issue X, and I came up with Y. I am not sure if it fully applies in my situation. Any thoughts?" instead of "I haz issue X. Puuleez help!"
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First of all, I very rarely tend to just say something like "that was posted before, just search". I will usually say something like "if you would have searched, you would have found this link..."
That's all fine. But. There are those of us who actually did go through the entire thread because:
a) we knew that we are not special, and chances are if we were having an issue, someone else probably had it before us and someone posted the solution for it.
b) we are here because we enjoy learning about our devices and our OS's and, given that this is XDA-developers, not XDA-support-my-non-searching-ass, we kinda expect others to do the same.
It's not about not having enough time: it's about coming to the realization that if you can search and post the answer, the person asking the question can easily to the same. It would probably help to phrase a question more like "i was looking for an answer for issue X, and I came up with Y. I am not sure if it fully applies in my situation. Any thoughts?" instead of "I haz issue X. Puuleez help!"
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My knowledge of search improved my vocabulary and reading skills.
Thanks XDA!!!:laugh:
IINexusII said:
i dont think so, there are new devices coming out every month, and new ROMS and firmware updates by Google, so there will always be new developments and questions regarding those
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lol, i know. it was just sarcasm. but really, i dont mind the repetitive threads. people are people, some degree of laziness runs in all our genes. anyways, xda search isnt the best to find stuff. but, that said, google search works wonderfully. just about any kind of information can be found using google and the right search terms. personally, id rather find what information i need by myself. unfortunately, there are those people that like being told how and what to do, but its a good thing that a large number of those people use the iphone :victory:
OK so here is a pressure relief thread... While many of you are becoming disenchanted with the way the development threads are running... Yes I am talking about the DEVELOPMENT THREADS! Please indicate the following
What do you think they are (development threads)?
How do you think they should be run?
Do you feel that Modding is not needed? If not/If so why?
What would you change if you could be top of this list for a day Please realize this list is very short..
It's simply used
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Please do not make this personal, act like grown-ups and be constructive
I think more, many more, mods are needed for each forum. It's difficult got one, or two or three, people to effectively "police" one forum. Last i checked, there were over/about 3 million users on xda. How many mods are there?
And people not using search.
mrhaley30705 said:
I think more, many more, mods are needed for each forum. It's difficult got one, or two or three, people to effectively "police" one forum. Last i checked, there were over/about 3 million users on xda. How many mods are there?
And people not using search.
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10 oh wait 9, Red5 is gone
Overall, there's only 9 mods for the whole site, or just in S3 forum?
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Overall, there's only 9 mods for the whole site, or just in S3 forum?
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And those 9 are busy busy busy. I don't understand why people keep posting EVERYTHING thsy want in development threads
What ever happened to RED?
jasvncnt1 said:
What ever happened to RED?
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Red has taken personal time. Family, health and work are keeping him very occupied
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And those 9 are busy busy busy. I don't understand why people keep posting EVERYTHING thsy want in development threads
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Because they feel ENTITLED to do whatever they want to do. Because its a public forum. Its a new generation of users who don't quite understand just how important the developer title is in xda developers.
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Red has taken personal time. Family, health and work are keeping him very occupied
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thanks, Didnt know that. Hope all is well with him
brorex said:
Because they feel ENTITLED to do whatever they want to do. Because its a public forum. Its a new generation of users who don't quite understand just how important the developer title is in xda developers.
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hey man thanks for your 2 cents Can you please bring your disdain to WebOS and see how they feel about that! LOL
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OK so here is a pressure relief thread... While many of you are becoming disenchanted with the way the development threads are running... Yes I am talking about the DEVELOPMENT THREADS! Please indicate the following
What do you think they are (development threads)?
How do you think they should be run?
Do you feel that Modding is not needed? If not/If so why?
What would you change if you could be top of this list for a day Please realize this list is very short..
It's simply used
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Please do not make this personal, act like grown-ups and be constructive
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I think development threads should be a place to discuss development issues such as bugs, possible wish lists, explanation of why things work certain ways, etc. I think that Q&A's should be reserved for just commonly asked questions.
In a perfect world a dev thread would be a place where guys could joke and cut up and still get work done. The problem with that however is that we want people to read threads so they don't ask/re-ask "stupid or non-dev related" questions, yet sometimes there is so much joking around in a thread that you can go 3-4 pages no problem without reading a single thing relevant to the ROM. Why would someone new to the scene want to read and find a golden nugget of information if that requires wading through nonsense? You can say "use the search function!!!!?!?!?*" but let's be honest, if you don't search the right thing you won't find what you are looking for. If you don't know the correct name of your problem, you can't search for your problem, so when you ask questions guys say "Why don't you search" or "Why don't you read" and the answer is, because I'm new and can't read through all the bull in the thread.
I'm all for people having a good time but it's frustrating when you get home from work and you see there are 20 new pages in a thread and there could be a few important posts but to find them you have to read through nonsense.
Just my 2 cents. I love XDA and regardless how it's run the community is great, the Devs are top notch both programming wise and character wise in my experience, but I do get frustrated when I'm tweaking a $600 phone and I can't find necessary information because 20 people keep replying to the same old questions with "Go search you noob-loser!"
Probably a very dumb newbie question, but - I haven't been able to determine/discern the distinction between the Android Development and the Original Android Development threads. Could someone please clue me in?
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The android development thread is usually devoted to people who are hacking or tweaking the stock rom that came with the phone. The original android development thread is a place where people discuss roms being developed based off of the original android source code AOSP/AOKP (such as cm9 or cm10 or putting out custom kernels.
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planetjeff said:
Probably a very dumb newbie question, but - I haven't been able to determine/discern the distinction between the Android Development and the Original Android Development threads. Could someone please clue me in?
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In very general terms, Original Android Development is for 'Original' development. New roms, kernels, mods and such. Android Development could simply be a port of an existing rom or kernel to run on our device. It very probably has been, or is being used elsewhere and someone has made some changes to allow it to be used on our device.
Hope this helps some. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1762948
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brorex said:
Because they feel ENTITLED to do whatever they want to do. Because its a public forum. Its a new generation of users who don't quite understand just how important the developer title is in xda developers.
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Actually a really good point. 2, even 1 year ago there were a lot less people using android phones, even less hacking and modding. And now, especially with the S3 (and others), there has been a flood of new 'techies' that want the fastest, coolest phone on the planet. It probably boils down to an appreciation (or lack there of) of what it takes to make all that happen. Many are new to XDA and, just like this generation is prone to do, want to skip right to the end of the book, without reading the story first. I'm sorry, maybe I should say, "fast forward to the end of the movie, without watching the plot". Maybe we should have them run thru a XDA tutorial first before they're allowed posting priviledges or something. :silly: Just my 2 cents...
As a developer (not on xda) I fully understand the time and work the great developers put in, and as an android user I am very gracious. Not sure if its just me but my experience dealing with bug reporting and asking for help in development threads has not been easy. Mainly if the issue has already been addressed you always get flamed for not searching before you post. Its like some developers would rather argue for 3 pages to satisfy their ego than just answer a simple question.
Still apart from dealing with egos, its well worth it for the service they provide.
hey guys that have posted here, send the disgruntled user here. I know most of you that have posted so far and we tend to all be like minded. I really want to hear from the folks that aren't in the same frame of mind. I am interested in how they tick. What are their thoughts on this matter.
Tomween1,
Here is my issue. I have been an xda member for a few years now and I have never seen as much trolling and s#!t talking as I have seen here in the s3 forum. When I joined people here were helpful and every time someone helped me with a problem I intern helped the next person with a similar problem. But everything has gone down the drain over the last year or so.
now here are my concerns...
First.... The addition of a second development thread for just cm and AOKP is pointless in my opinion.
Second... If you have a ROM running on your phone... ie... Cyanogenmod CM10.... Then all discussion of bugs and flaws and features specific to that rom should be discussed in that thread. The search tool should be used before a new post and as much information should be provided to help dev duplicate and resolve problem
Third.... If the Rom is not installed.... You don't know how to install it.... Or you wonder how the battery life is or how one rom is compared to the other.... Then go to general or q&a
Finally.... Show some f#@*in respect. It doesn't matter if you are a dev or not.... You chose to develop for a phone.... You chose to post it on xda... You agreed to abide by xda rules which means show members respect.... Even if they are a noob who asked a dumb question in the wrong forums.
Moderators shouldn't be deleting as many posts as you guys are.... It's borderline pointless and it's censorship.
If you made a ROM be respectful to your fans... And if you don't want to answer questions then let other members answer people...
Good examples of threads were the devs are respectful and mods have to work less are Caulkins threads cyanogens threads... Worst example of needless hostility and over moderating is Tasks AOKP thread
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Also a more useful approach would be to have all ROMS & KERNELS in one development thread and all mods / hacks / feature ports in a separate dev thread...
I think one of the main reasons devs get frustrated and its been mentioned many times, dev forums are not the place to learn or expect handouts. The handout is givin with the ROM. Now its up to the end user to learn how to use it, search out problems and try to solve things themselves. Everyone is worried about thier new 600 dollar toy but not many noobs take the time to learn what they are actually doin to their phone. The dev forums are not the place to learn. The dev forums are a place to get the latest greatest and reply with "heres my problem, here's my log cat" after searching for an answer. It seems pretty simple to me. Although not a dev it would piss me off also to clearly state in an op that your phone won't do the dishes, then have 6 or 8 people say that you ruined their phone cause they threw it in a sink of water. As far as letting other people answer the questions, that's the reason for the q and a threads, to let the community help itself. No one should be posting in the dev forum without a logcat.
My two cents, take it or leave it doesn't matter.
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I think one of the main reasons devs get frustrated and its been mentioned many times, dev forums are not the place to learn or expect handouts. The handout is givin with the ROM. Now its up to the end user to learn how to use it, search out problems and try to solve things themselves. Everyone is worried about thier new 600 dollar toy but not many noobs take the time to learn what they are actually doin to their phone. The dev forums are not the place to learn. The dev forums are a place to get the latest greatest and reply with "heres my problem, here's my log cat" after searching for an answer. It seems pretty simple to me. Although not a dev it would piss me off also to clearly state in an op that your phone won't do the dishes, then have 6 or 8 people say that you ruined their phone cause they threw it in a sink of water. As far as letting other people answer the questions, that's the reason for the q and a threads, to let the community help itself. No one should be posting in the dev forum without a logcat.
My two cents, take it or leave it doesn't matter.
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That is the problem - people who are posting here are being told to go F*%$ off instead of being asked to provide a logcat or provide details. Also alot of Devs in s3 forums are not providing complete bug lists in the OP and if they did they are not keeping it updated so when a noob or someone new to the rom comes to check they cant find the info and ask dumb questions.
I've been in the XDA community for 6 years now, and I've seen a TON of changes here. What I now see the moderators trying to do is add a little bit of order to the madness. The dev threads were specifically designed(and ALWAYS have been) for Development and development issues only, not even about wish lists. When a developer has to pour through pages and pages of "I wish the ROM had this, or how do I install this ROM, or why does my (fill in the blank), not work". It get very frustrating to find posts from people, who are posting real issues that affect the actual development of the ROM.
It is suppose to be the place that the guy/gals who are putting their time into these ROM's that we get for free, get the feedback from us, the endusers, to actually make the ROM's better. When we clutter the thread with jibberish, we're making it harder for them to get to those real issues, and are disrespecting them and the time they invest, and in the end, we're only shooting ourselves in the foot
While I was on the AT&T Captivate, we had a similar structure of the Dev thread, and a Q&A thread for most of the available ROM's, some of the dev's didn't seem to mind answering all of those questions, but the Q&A still existed, and they all seemed to be very successful. They were very lax and the topics could got entirely off topic, they seemed to be more of the "social hangout" type of thing. Take a look: http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=746
With the incredible popularity of the SGSIII in all of the variants, there are bound to be tons's of ROM's that will crop up for JB. I believe it's that much more important to try to create some sort of structure for the 4Million + XDA mambers
I've been around for a little while. I'm not a Dev, Themer, Moderator, Recognized Contributer or anything like that. At best I'm a tester for a great team called Team Venum.
I love this hobby, XDA, and most guys here. This is a great getaway for me from real life. Ya know......my crappy job, bills, yada yada yada.
Here is the thing. These threads that I read everyday. Something that I've always done and continue to do is ignore the BS. The trolls that come in looking for attention. The noobs that ask questions before reading. The guys that have been around for a while and don't read/research before posting in a thread. I ignore it. Move on.
Let's say a guy comes in your favorite thread and asks a question thats been answered a hundred times. So we then call him a di#k and say why don't you read? He then says the thread is 59 pgs and it's too much. Then he takes offense for being called a di#k and lashes back. Then a cpl other guys join in the flaming. Four pages later we need a Mod to come in and smack our hands with a ruler.
Why not just ignore it? Ignore the trolls. Maybe if we ignore the noobs they will take it upon themselves to read and research and find the answer on their own.
I hate seeing threads closed. Mods having to come in and clean threads. Devs getting pissed and moving somewhere else or just keeping their work to themselves because their sick of the drama.
It just seems so simple to me......The next time you see a post by a troll or someone who doesn't take the time to read and research on there own. Then ask a question in the thread to either provoke or just out of laziness.......... how about we just say this......................
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FAQ per user request.
1.''Can I respond to the OP and thank him repeatedly?''
I believe so.
2.''Is a full wipe required or can I just dirty flash?''
YEP!!
3. ''Is this a ROM?''
Nope
4.''Is the OP a DEV?''
Not yet.
Well said
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Not everybody knows how disgusted you guys are at every question. Nothing wrong with helping ... most people are new so forgive them. The truth is solutions for problems change very often even within the same thread.
Every rom has unique solutions for the same problems.
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i agree i would much rather give them the awnser then have them start an other thread asking about it and another noob replying with the wrong awnser , lots of updates and its true with all the pages on cirtian threads it makes it verry hard to find a link or wordign that will help in that pirticular situation , myself i would rather respond and help others out , i kno how frusterating it can be to try and do something when there is no awnser to be found even after searching over and over , sometimes just cant locate the information.
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i agree i would much rather give them the awnser then have them start an other thread asking about it and another noob replying with the wrong awnser , lots of updates and its true with all the pages on cirtian threads it makes it verry hard to find a link or wordign that will help in that pirticular situation , myself i would rather respond and help others out , i kno how frusterating it can be to try and do something when there is no awnser to be found even after searching over and over , sometimes just cant locate the information.
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Please don't get me wrong guys......... I always help when I can, I think I got a pretty decent ''Thank you'' count going. IDK, I'm usually always mobile. I'm just pointing out the frustrating parts of a thread. I would just like to see some guys move on instead of lashing out if there frustrated at seeing a question asked repeatedly.
It just adds to the flaming.
Some of this could be relieved if people actually updated their first post with relevant information.
I did it for my 90+ page Jelly Bean thread and had NONE of this.
Actually, wait, it happened once. I told him the answer and then said "check the first post, mate." Never happened again.
Most problems would be fixed if the free XDA app had a search option. Just saying. Plus the search doesn't work with the browser.
But I do completely get what the OP is saying. But then again patience and understanding also goes a long way.
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Okay I don't normally speak on these types of topics but now I will.
I completely agree and understand. Noobs will be noobs. Heck I am still one.
I started off with a Samsung Infuse, read and read and read and read and READ to learn how to root the dang thing and keep it from bricking. I never flashed something without reading. And I never flashed as soon as something got released!!! Maybe it's just commonsense, or maybe it's the fact that I am intuitive and have been ever since the age of 8 when I built my first PC from scratch. But a lot of it has to do with READING!!! Noobs don't like to READ because they want to know and they want to know NOW. That's the major problem.
I see people saying things about Task and how he is rude. Honestly, I don't think he is because it clearly states in his OP follow the instructions carefully and READ.
Just my $2. I'm not *****in'!
How do i root my GS3?
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How do i root my GS3?
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I sincerely hope this is a joke.....
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Of course...
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caspersfi said:
I've been around for a little while. I'm not a Dev, Themer, Moderator, Recognized Contributer or anything like that. At best I'm a tester for a great team called Team Venum.
I love this hobby, XDA, and most guys here. This is a great getaway for me from real life. Ya know......my crappy job, bills, yada yada yada.
Here is the thing. These threads that I read everyday. Something that I've always done and continue to do is ignore the BS. The trolls that come in looking for attention. The noobs that ask questions before reading. The guys that have been around for a while and don't read/research before posting in a thread. I ignore it. Move on.
Let's say a guy comes in your favorite thread and asks a question thats been answered a hundred times. So we then call him a di#k and say why don't you read? He then says the thread is 59 pgs and it's too much. Then he takes offense for being called a di#k and lashes back. Then a cpl other guys join in the flaming. Four pages later we need a Mod to come in and smack our hands with a ruler.
Why not just ignore it? Ignore the trolls. Maybe if we ignore the noobs they will take it upon themselves to read and research and find the answer on their own.
I hate seeing threads closed. Mods having to come in and clean threads. Devs getting pissed and moving somewhere else or just keeping their work to themselves because their sick of the drama.
It just seems so simple to me......The next time you see a post by a troll or someone who doesn't take the time to read and research on there own. Then ask a question in the thread to either provoke or just out of laziness just do this......................
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Good post caspersfi.
I agree with just about all of it...... but I personally when someone asks a question I just answer in polite words, even if its already posted. Some people just don't get and need to be pretty much spoon fed. I work at a front desk of a pet hospital and I get some pretty dumb questions from the public since its in a Petsmart. They look for you as the experts and as a resource. They same can be looked at like xda. I was raised in a family to help people no matter the situation before yourself. People honestly need to respect each other and flaming other people wouldnt happen.
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caspersfi said:
I've been around for a little while. I'm not a Dev, Themer, Moderator, Recognized Contributer or anything like that. At best I'm a tester for a great team called Team Venum.
I love this hobby, XDA, and most guys here. This is a great getaway for me from real life. Ya know......my crappy job, bills, yada yada yada.
Here is the thing. These threads that I read everyday. Something that I've always done and continue to do is ignore the BS. The trolls that come in looking for attention. The noobs that ask questions before reading. The guys that have been around for a while and don't read/research before posting in a thread. I ignore it. Move on.
Let's say a guy comes in your favorite thread and asks a question thats been answered a hundred times. So we then call him a di#k and say why don't you read? He then says the thread is 59 pgs and it's too much. Then he takes offense for being called a di#k and lashes back. Then a cpl other guys join in the flaming. Four pages later we need a Mod to come in and smack our hands with a ruler.
Why not just ignore it? Ignore the trolls. Maybe if we ignore the noobs they will take it upon themselves to read and research and find the answer on their own.
I hate seeing threads closed. Mods having to come in and clean threads. Devs getting pissed and moving somewhere else or just keeping their work to themselves because their sick of the drama.
It just seems so simple to me......The next time you see a post by a troll or someone who doesn't take the time to read and research on there own. Then ask a question in the thread to either provoke or just out of laziness just do this......................
Nothing
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Don't forget the ghosts to, the ones that just downloads the rom/theme/app/mod and won't even spend a second to click thanks. These devs do this for free and spend tons of time doing it(been there done that). Its not hard really, its the little things that count.
There's also something to be said for not being a condescending, intolerant prick.
But hey, this is the internet, where you can be an absolute asshole and no one can do anything about it, so why not?
I'll gladly take the "lazy noobs" over the self-righteous self-proclaimed geniuses we seem to breed here. At least the people asking the "stupid" questions aren't intentionally doing so to make people feel like crap.
Stay classy, XDA.
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There's also something to be said for not being a condescending, intolerant prick.
But hey, this is the internet, where you can be an absolute asshole and no one can do anything about it, so why not?
I'll gladly take the "lazy noobs" over the self-righteous self-proclaimed geniuses we seem to breed here. At least the people asking the "stupid" questions aren't intentionally doing so to make people feel like crap.
Stay classy, XDA.
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Don't be so sure about that. I have recently patented a DEVICE and APPARATUS for PUNCHING PEOPLE over the INTERNET
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reNeglect said:
Don't forget the ghosts to, the ones that just downloads the rom/theme/app/mod and won't even spend a second to click thanks. These devs do this for free and spend tons of time doing it(been there done that). Its not hard really, its the little things that count.
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Well, similarly to open-source software, it's a largely thankless job done for fun, and NOT the expectation of $$$, or accolades...
Exactly this.
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Some of this could be relieved if people actually updated their first post with relevant information.
I did it for my 90+ page Jelly Bean thread and had NONE of this.
Actually, wait, it happened once. I told him the answer and then said "check the first post, mate." Never happened again.
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^ THIS
I really think they should update the first post on a thread, so that a particular question that keep repeatedly asked doesn't need to be asked again. Personally, if I had a question, I check the thread's first page to see if they had some sort of FAQs up there for questions that are FREQUENTLY asked.
If not, I resort to searching. But sometimes, your question is a bit general and you can't find any useful information via search. Even via Google. Sometimes, even if you try to be specific with search, you can't nail down the solution of the problem. Sometimes you just find someone asking the same question and was left unanswered because "this noob didn't do a search. So no we won't answer his question"
But then again, if a question is repeatedly asked, the search should yield a good answer. But there's just those odd moments where search isn't helpful at all and you try asking.
I think it would be best if a) there's a FAQs (I've actually seen a few threads on other sections of XDA with a separate thread for asking questions), or b) just answer the damn question, and remind them to use search or something... Instead of resorting to name calling and flaming.
Sometimes, I just avoid posting on XDA because I feel some people feel they're the elite and that instead of teaching the new people how to learn they just scoff them off telling them to learn on their own. I started XDA years back, and while I mostly did my learning on my own, I had a couple of people help me pointing me to things and all that. But now days, XDA is just full of rowdy people trying to make themselves special.
EDIT: And all of those efforts in flaming could have just been put to good use. So what did you end up accomplishing in name calling and flaming? Nothing.
Which is as much as you could accomplish if you ignored the person and did nothing. So if you ain't helping just ugnore becuase it doesn't accomplish anything to call out someone, call them names, and flame them.
I'll admit to being both a noob and an "a-hole". The first topic I created on XDA was in the the developement forum (check my profile to verify)! Oh boy, did I get whipped for that. I took it like a man, didn't argue and I learned real fast. Even since then, I learned to read, search, do whatever it takes to solve my own issues.
Now the A-hole part of me showed in the Atrix forum. Some guy posted a question which has been posted to the bone a million times and got into an argument with him, telling to search, read, ect. Was it justified? Maybe. Was my argument with him going to stop other noobs from posting repeated questions? No. I don't know on that day, I decided I had enough and beefed with him. Maybe because he didn't put in enough effort look around posting a question when it's been asked a million times. I usually just ignore stuff like that but it really got to me when I saw that question.
We all like to think that our question(s) has never been asked before so we come here and post but that's usually never the case is it? That's just human nature. What's more of a satisifying feeling? Finding your own solution via searching, reading, ect. or asking a question and getting a direct, personal answer? Wait don't answer that.
I compare the forums to a classroom that doesn't has a beginning or an ending semester. Students constantly coming and going while the teacher has to start his lesson over and over and over. Students raising their hands and asking questions about chapter 1 while the students who been there for a while are annoyed because they're on chapter 8.and have to wait for the teacher to stop and answer a previously asked question.
That's the end of my rant. I got my scars from my mistakes. Learn from me. They're not worth showing off.
At the end of the day, who really cares? Someone asked a question, maybe it was answered already, who freakin cares? No one got hurt.
The person asking meant to seek information. The person replying set out to inflame and incite. Who is the real problem?
Do you ever consider the experience a new user has on these forums?
Subjected to elitist snobs and morons who can't wait to bash someone. If they are new, they don't understand. But they will realize just what kind of arrogant, socially inept people some members can be. And quickly.
Nothing says "welcome" like a good, old fashioned condescending person.
If you don't answer people like that in real life, maybe you shouldn't on the internet either.
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I have stopped posting as well from some time, as I get most my answers by just reading OP and other posts. I disagree with OP here to some extent. The main problem is not the noobs but the self proclaimed experts. It take same amount of time and energy to answer someone's question and bashing them. I do agree that if you don't know the answer just ignore them, but saying read read instead of answering them is just starting a new war. When I was in Captivate forums, I knew few people who answered same questions everyday and eventually made a general thread to help new people. Either block noobs from this forum or stop starting these kind of thread to get attention.
I don't think anyone just post a question without researching, as most of the members now know how badly they get bashed for it. So if someone is asking a sincere question, I think they should be answered or ignored. These forums are to help each other learn new things, no one came here as expert (except few).
Whatever happened to that saying: No question is a stupid question...